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Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« on: September 17, 2025, 08:48:17 am »
Almost reached the $24k goal. There is a sucker born every minute.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/clean-energy-pulse-motor-opensource-science

Well, at least you get entertainment out of the content I guess  :-//
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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2025, 08:54:08 am »
Latest update
Unfortunately he doesn't understand how to use a DC clamp meter - at 16:55 you can see it's not zeroed and reading 0.35A when not clamped round a cable. Maybe that's why he thinks he's creating enegy.

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2025, 12:36:56 pm »
I see Nikola, I smell scam.
 
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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2025, 01:43:36 pm »
A high voltage pulse into lead acid battery taps into zero-point energy?  Yeah, nah, buddy.

High voltage pulses from coils and capacitor banks are widely used in research (the many Z-pinch machines and experiments, for example), with a literal fuckton of sensors measuring the total energy of the event among other things.  (And its those sensors that have given us stuff like solid state x-ray imaging sensors with a tiny radiation dose compared to the old physical films.)  All excess energy events have been traced to plasma fusion as our current physical models predict, with fusion products (neutrons and heavier elements) detected as expected.

And patents?  The only thing patents "suppress" is competition.

I don't know if this is a scam, or just a completely deluded hobbyist fooled by wrong use of cheap meters not measuring the energy in the pulse correctly, but either way it is sad as hell.  😢
 

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2025, 08:25:53 pm »
There seems to be no end to this shit. A lot arises out of incomplete knowledge of basic physics which is a prerequisite for any energy production/conversion. They do not understand or do not want to understand that free energy/overunity/something from nothing/free lunch are all categorically ruled out by the laws of thermodynamics. In addition to the laws of thermodynamics there is Noether's theorem, a mathematical proof of the conservation laws. Could be a combination of delusion and scam.   
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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2025, 12:45:23 am »
I don't know if this is a scam, or just a completely deluded hobbyist fooled by wrong use of cheap meters not measuring the energy in the pulse correctly, but either way it is sad as hell.  😢

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2025, 07:11:46 am »
This ist old news:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/zero-point-module/

Scamming people for a living, it seems.
 

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2025, 03:52:42 pm »
Almost reached the $24k goal. There is a sucker born every minute.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/clean-energy-pulse-motor-opensource-science

He has automatic goal setting enabled on the gofundme, so the goal keeps increasing.  So with just under $24k CAD raised, the goal has now changed to $28k.

Gofundme is apparently more than happy to enable scammers on their platform.

 
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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2025, 10:56:45 am »
He has automatic goal setting enabled on the gofundme, so the goal keeps increasing.  So with just under $24k CAD raised, the goal has now changed to $28k.

Gofundme is apparently more than happy to enable scammers on their platform.
Oh wow... the platform seems almost designed to help scammers.
 

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2025, 11:45:43 pm »
   "I knew he was lying."
   "But,  Beav,  why'd you give him your money ?"
   Beaver (on Leave it to Beaver show, 1961):

   "I never heard such a good story told!"
 

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2025, 12:06:10 am »
   (Dismiss,  the mis-dis-information).
   Reader wonders, here,  how could all this stuff,  where even the fakes don't fake very well;  how could it be,  that the fake stuff gets through a common sense filter,  that everyday people have ?

   I don't know that answer!   But, for sure they do believe.  And the lies have such incompetent delivery.   Try,  for yourselves,  to read my first, opening sentence.  They couldn't even state the truth manipulation,  without resorting to made-up words and phrases.  The ridiculous sounding (new) term,  in the news,  became:
   Disinformation,...out of 'misinformation',  all for use in an election year.

You can almost smell the incompetence.  I mean,  I could respect a clever lier, (some).  But this shit is simply amateur political manipulation,  (when it's anything Putin, Trump, Musk)!

   Lately,  I've heard that Bill Gates wants to, methodically, kill a bunch of bird species.  True ?  or not ?   So easy to view that as nonsense,  but it don't come down that way,  (somehow)!
 

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2025, 12:33:30 am »
How could it be that the fake stuff gets through a common sense filter that everyday people have?
Because of two reasons:
  • Most people have the common sense filter disabled in their settings.

    They prefer to do things based on emotions and "gut feelings" and social pressure, rather than actually think about things.  Thinking takes effort, you see.
     
  • Almost all human beings have override switches for their filters, triggered by social cues, exploited by socially adept people and confidence tricksters.
It is the same thing over all fields of human endeavour, especially in finance, technology, and politics.

The technology one is funny, because most people assume that the best solution to a problem wins.  That is meritocracy, and never occurs unless everybody involved spends a lot of extra effort to do so.  Just look at the history of technolody inventions: the merits of a specific invention or tech is rarely that important, and instead whether it can be used to make money tends to be the decisive factor.

This can sound pessimistic, but really isn't.  Humans just cannot be treated as an intelligent, rational species.  We must be considered as a social species instead.  Individuals can be rational if they spend the effort, but groups are ruled by social behaviour.  When you do that, everything starts to make sense.  It is why you cannot predict what say a specific driver does, but can easily model traffic in general.
 
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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2025, 02:20:24 am »
   God,  I hate it when somebody is right,  (and I have to accept it.).  Thanks Nominal Animal.   Especially, thanks,  because this post I do right now,  needs your feedback (I had planned to say)!

   This reply needs MATH,  but more like the statistics branch.   It's a mathematical function,  that never goes 'catastrophic'.  Or like an amplifier circuit,  that doesn't go unstable,  like some can.

   The tentative theory says,  you can keep adding one individual after another,  that is easily duped as mentioned already.  But never reach a tipping point,  where continuation is impossible.

   Please allow me to give an example of the reverse of this:
   You keep lowering the temperature, in a room, and you also keep taking away the water supply:  Eventually, and often you can calculate when,  the residents inside are gonna die.   That's the catastrophic end point of the function,  where survival ain't happening, for long.

    Now, in this case,  with people erroneously accepting mostly obvious flawed rumours and gossipy statements,  often the 'end' is lacking, if you can graph the more social oriented function.  That's why I've mentioned statistics as a branch of math.  (Or as a branch of science,  that uses math).

   Certainly, with 1 million folks believing that cats can fly,  a person wouldn't think that 1,000,001 people accepting that (flawed) belief would end in catastrophic function 'melt-down',...(as opposed to dropping the room temperature to unsurvivable levels.)

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   My start in this dynamic was, in thinking of a daily personal task list,  along with medically active 'fatique'.

   You start out Monday, with 5 new tasks, but each day can only complete TWO of the list items.  Next day,  Tuesday,  you get another three new tasks for the list,  but are only capable of completion of two.

   So,  put in a functional form,  like the calculus people would do, you would get a curve,  that just keeps increasing,  day by day.   Ahh, but there is still the question of managing that list, itself !

   Eventually,  things get gummed up, functionally,  and the person attempting to clear out all the tasks can no longer sustain all the checking and notation needed.   That point, I guess,  could be calculated, or estimated,  and would that be a 'catastrophic' end point ?

   I'm not sure how to phrase this question.  I was, initially just thinking about how to graph that (function) of an increasing task list (like mowing the lawn, etc.)..
   Certainly,  having 100% of the population believe that cats could fly,  COULD be catastrophic....or could it, really ?

   I bet I'll like your reply !

Thanks for considering.   Rick B.
 

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2025, 05:21:15 am »
This reply needs MATH,  but more like the statistics branch.   It's a mathematical function,  that never goes 'catastrophic'.  Or like an amplifier circuit,  that doesn't go unstable,  like some can.
Ah!  You have the exact same same situation physicists found themselves in, a bit over a century ago, when examining black-body radiation.  Simply put, their models turned out to predict that thermal radiation (black body radiation) is infinite, something that Paul Ehrenfest called ultraviolet catastrophe in 1911.

The solution then, and to your question, is quantization: instead of treating the statistics as a continuous curve (like classical physics did to thermal radiation), you note that it is actually non-continuous, consisting of small packets, quanta.

The tentative theory says,  you can keep adding one individual after another,  that is easily duped as mentioned already.  But never reach a tipping point,  where continuation is impossible.
This is because you forget that social interaction includes the occasional expression and application of "common sense" by individuals.

As an example, consider avalanche breakdown (or more generally, electron avalanche).  Say, you have a high-voltage source, connected across some thin insulator, and you slowly increase the voltage over the insulation, also measuring the leakage current.

A classical/simplistic model would say that the leakage is zero until it suddenly isn't at some voltage.  That is not what happens in reality, because you do start to have some tiny leakage currents at relatively low voltages, which then increases first slowly, then in an exponential manner close to the breakdown voltage.

Humans behave the same way.  Before and after they join a venture, they discuss (often socially) about it with others.  Initially, especially in a successful scam, this is what lures more people in.  Humans think much more when they talk compared to when they listen, which also explains things like the effectiveness of rubber duck debugging (explaining your thoughts to a rubber duck also organizes your thoughts, often helping you realize/solve the problem you are thinking about).  This means that as individual humans start talking about it to others, they also start sporadically applying their filters.  This affects their output, and this spreads among the participants in the venture.  If it indeed is a scam, at some point this effect has the same kind of "knee" that electron avalanche has, starting to feed itself almost exponentially, until the social atmosphere toggles from pro-venture to anti-venture.

My start in this dynamic was, in thinking of a daily personal task list,  along with medically active 'fatique'.
I understand.  For a few years, I had to avoid creating any task lists, because even the perception of undone/waiting tasks made me freeze/block/lock up, and give me insomnia.

The solution is to prioritize.

You use one main list that has a very limited number of slots.  For me, this is a small wall board I put post-it notes to, one note per slot.  I recommend against using your fridge for this, because for me it upset my stomach and lead to digestion issues.  I use a wall in my vestibule: easily seen and noted, but not always in my line-of-sight.

You also have a wish list with unlimited number of slots.  For me, this is a box of post-it notes.

Before you can add a new task to your main list, you must either complete one (so it can be removed), or move the least important one to the wish list.

Whenever you manage to do a task, or your priorities change, you go through your wish list, and move tasks between the main list and wish list.

If you keep a diary of your medical/mental issues (which I do recommend, because it is invaluable help to your health specialists, and makes it much easier to e.g. adjust your treatments and medication), you can use that diary to track and adjust the number of slots in your main task list.  When you are doing well, you add an empty slot to the main list.  When you feel overwhelmed, you move the least important task to the wish list and discard the main list slot.

I started with a single main list slot myself.  Now, a few years later, I no longer get overly stressed about the existence of the main list and its items, simply because my view of them has shifted from "these are things I must do" to priorization, to considering "how important is this" for each matter, and weighing them against each other.

Which, if you think about it, is the most rational way to deal with multiple things you need to do!
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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2025, 06:45:56 am »
Ah,  thanks.  That's maybe 3 separate things to ponder. (What depth, and surprising too!).

   However,  right now I feel better to not crowd Dave's topic, here.

   One thing that I can offer, to readers,  is teaching my formalized set, of yoga derivative mat work,  which is surprisingly an aid to open up creativity.  (Technically,  a stretching program).   Somehow that arose in my mind while reading the latter parts of your text,  there.
   One example:  extremist stretching,  of the upper chest and mid-back,  LED me to (measure) a sitting breathing rate of less than three expansions per minute....something that yoga people strive for,  and a profound state of mind.

   Gotta repeat read your reply first, though !

Thanks again.

Rick in Ocean View Hawaii
 

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2025, 04:20:39 am »
I just noticed something in the Youtube thumbnail:
https://i.postimg.cc/SKp7HnVw/Paints.jpg
Are those paints on that shelf?



Does that look like some kind of musical instrument such as a guitar?

Looks to me more like an musical instrument workshop stock photo that he took and green screened himself into it.

From a simple reverse image lookup and look how he modifies them.

Different colour shirt.
The shelf had what look like paints on it in other to now an oscilloscope despite the man and the picture looking identical elsewhere in the pictures.

It looks to me like he cropped it on the left where the paints don't show and inserted that oscilloscope on the top shelf.
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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2025, 05:26:18 am »
Probably paid someone to create clickbait thumbnails for him.
His videos are otherwise authentic in his garage.
 
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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2025, 07:50:06 am »
Quite some effort for a scam, working on fine details just for a thumbnail.
 

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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2025, 08:30:42 am »
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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2025, 05:35:16 pm »
The term scam is debatable...

If I started a research company to build and test electric motors I could write off all the expenses against any profits and you the taxpayer would be subsidizing it. In fact, countless corporations do billions of dollars of research on crazy and unworkable technology every day you subsidize through your tax dollars. Maybe we should be grateful people like Spencer Frame are using go fund me for research because this is private money not your tax dollars.

Has anyone actually built a pulse motor like the one in question?.

I built and tested almost every kind of motor and generator known as a hobby. It's really interesting to look for improvements which could be made. I even built and tested the supposedly new iBEE (inner Brushless Electrical Excitation) motor concept 15 years ago. It basically uses a split transformer concept with one half on the motor frame and the other half on the rotor. It's weird that something so simple and obvious could be over looked for so long.

Also built many electrostatic motors and generators. Many people who don't understand energy claimed it could never be practical but of course they were wrong. Anyone who understands energy knows a high voltage/low current motor is the most efficient because it generates very little heat. Now high voltage is making a comeback which was inevitable imo. Look, no big expensive copper coils or rare earth magnets. In fact, they run so cool my motors were 90% plastic ie. cheap 3D printed PLA.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/electrostatic-motor
https://www.controleng.com/new-electrostatic-motor-design-90-less-copper-no-magnets-ultra-efficiency/

As it turns out, sometimes one mans scam can be another mans multi-million dollar technology.

I would say this, normalcy and doing nothing is not a solution to anything. If your not trying to improve something your moving backwards as others move forward and average doesn't cut it. So I applaud people for trying even if there is a 99% chance they will fail.
 

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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2025, 11:34:05 pm »
Quite some effort for a scam, working on fine details just for a thumbnail.

A lot of these people genuinely believe in what they are doing, they just aren't very good at engineering system measurements.
 
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2025, 12:44:22 pm »
A well designed motor or generator can achieve remarkably high efficiency, not leaving much room for improvement.
 

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2025, 02:18:14 pm »
As it turns out, sometimes one mans scam can be another mans multi-million dollar technology.

Hang on, how did you get to that conclusion? I was following your arguments with interest until you said that.

A scam is a deliberate attempt to extort money from people. Nothing about the electrostatic motor ever involved that kind of behaviour.

If someone is genuinely following a research project that they believe has promise, and they need funding to continue, asking for money isn't a scam. Yes, it's a gamble on the part of the investors, but they aren't being scammed. If the researcher is dishonest about what they are doing, or knowingly over-promises, then of course that is scamming the investors.

There needs to be a term for woo woo physics, where the "researcher" is sincere but completely unaware of the impossibility of what they are doing. I don't think you could really call that a scam, because the researcher believes their invention will work.

As for Spencer Frame, I'm struggling to decide whether he is a scammer or just deluded. I'm inclined to the latter. This was hammered home near the end of that video when he said that "everything is energy", as if that supported his argument that we are surrounded by energy free for the taking, and then..... yes, he said it..... "Nikola Tesla". Aaargh! 
 

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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2025, 04:32:35 pm »
SteveThackery

I agree with much of what you said. In many cases we don't know the intent of the person, the nature of the technology or where it's going. It's problematic because invention and new technology is always debatable.

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There needs to be a term for woo woo physics, where the "researcher" is sincere but completely unaware of the impossibility of what they are doing. I don't think you could really call that a scam, because the researcher believes their invention will work.

Yes, the term is called invention and sometimes science. The psychology is wild because most always claims we can do no better than today but we always do. There is nothing "woo woo" about it and we have a couple hundred years of demonstrable proof to back it up. Most all of the technology we know today was thought impossible 200 years ago.

ChatGPT explains it pretty well, we mistakenly believe nothing can change because...
1)The “end-of-history illusion.”
2)We normalize whatever we already have.
3)People anchor on visible trends and miss discontinuities.
4)Change feels risky, so we downplay it.
5)Most change happens gradually—until it suddenly doesn’t.

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As for Spencer Frame, I'm struggling to decide whether he is a scammer or just deluded. I'm inclined to the latter. This was hammered home near the end of that video when he said that "everything is energy", as if that supported his argument that we are surrounded by energy free for the taking, and then..... yes, he said it..... "Nikola Tesla". Aaargh! 

Interesting take on this, in fact there is no place devoid of energy because energy cannot be created or destroyed and is always in translation from one place to another. No region of the universe is field-free and as we know fields carry energy. So yes we are swimming in a sea of energy but are not intelligent or evolved enough to be able to extract it yet. We have primitive technology which can liberate limited amounts of the field energy within matter, ie fission/fusion but the energy within space still eludes. In his Nobel lecture (1965), Feynman pointed out that because there are infinitely many field modes (oscillators) in space, each with a zero-point energy (½ ℏω), you get a divergent (infinite) total vacuum energy.

I would agree the odds of Spencer Frame understanding the physics or being able to tap into this energy are basically zero. Not a snowballs chance in hell from what I can see. However I reserve the right to be wrong.


 

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Re: Open Source Free Energy GoFundMe - Spencer Frame
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2025, 09:39:16 pm »
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There needs to be a term for woo woo physics, where the "researcher" is sincere but completely unaware of the impossibility of what they are doing. I don't think you could really call that a scam, because the researcher believes their invention will work.

Yes, the term is called invention and sometimes science. The psychology is wild because most always claims we can do no better than today but we always do. There is nothing "woo woo" about it and we have a couple hundred years of demonstrable proof to back it up. Most all of the technology we know today was thought impossible 200 years ago.

ChatGPT explains it pretty well, we mistakenly believe nothing can change because...
1)The “end-of-history illusion.”
2)We normalize whatever we already have.
3)People anchor on visible trends and miss discontinuities.
4)Change feels risky, so we downplay it.
5)Most change happens gradually—until it suddenly doesn’t.

Wow, where to start. I disagree profoundly with all of your post, Electrodynamic. In fact I feel so strongly that I can feel unkind words like "patronising" and "bullshit" and "gullible" and "credulous" bubbling out of my keyboard. In that light, I think I'd better not pen a proper reply. Not yet, at least. Maybe I'll come back to it later, although I fear it would require a wall of text to dismantle and destroy that lot, including, of course, all the stuff I haven't quoted. I'm not one for keeping my opinions to myself, but I think on this occasion I really ought to.
 


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