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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2019, 06:23:15 pm »
i beleive you ;)

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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2019, 07:14:15 pm »
lol James that fact that your hating the video I linked about NiMH is pretty hilarious, did you watch it? And you still can't see the point I'm making?!

Why would I believe a so called electronic engineer who can't get his mic wired up properly? That amount of mains hum is stupid even for rookie home podcasters.

Also, judging from his equipment, I would say he is either broken AF as an engineer, or have some pretty good ornaments as a scamming artist.

The 34401 is the only thing that I see still has a value. The first gen scope meter is basically junk, the F27 was discontinued probably one or two decades ago. The rest are older than I am.

HEY! Don't dis us old gear users! >:( That's also insulting people like Franlab, Mr. Carlson's Lab, everyone here who still uses an older multimeter, exc.


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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2019, 07:37:39 pm »
That video is over two decades old. That equipment was probably still hot shit back then.  Surely they have made it work better by now. They promised 10 years.

I'm open to amazement.   Out on the oil platforms they have  to pulp the crude to shore.  It may start out hot but soon cools. They have a high voltage polarizer that aligns up the molecule chains and makes the crude 25% easier to pump. That sounded a lot like magnets on a gas line!
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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2019, 07:40:49 pm »
That video is over two decades old. That equipment was probably still hot shit back then.  Surely they have made it work better by now. They promised 10 years.

Absolutely. If it was barely over-unity back then, it will be at least over-duplicity now!
 

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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2019, 07:47:13 pm »
That video is over two decades old. That equipment was probably still hot shit back then.  Surely they have made it work better by now. They promised 10 years.

Absolutely. If it was barely over-unity back then, it will be at least over-duplicity now!

duplicity indeed, that is their game.
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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2019, 08:52:41 pm »
HEY! Don't dis us old gear users! >:( That's also insulting people like Franlab, Mr. Carlson's Lab, everyone here who still uses an older multimeter, exc.

Well I'm not ever gonna rip on anyone for the gear they use, provided they come up with results. But on the flip side, having all the fancy gear in the world doesn't stop one from being a quack or a fraud.
 

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« Reply #56 on: September 20, 2019, 08:53:58 pm »
HEY! Don't dis us old gear users! >:( That's also insulting people like Franlab, Mr. Carlson's Lab, everyone here who still uses an older multimeter, exc.

Yes, but I bet you don't use ONLY old meters as production tools.
 

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« Reply #57 on: September 20, 2019, 09:37:06 pm »
HEY! Don't dis us old gear users! >:( That's also insulting people like Franlab, Mr. Carlson's Lab, everyone here who still uses an older multimeter, exc.

Yes, but I bet you don't use ONLY old meters as production tools.

I'm pretty sure that's what Franlab did with Frantone...
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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #58 on: September 20, 2019, 09:47:49 pm »
I'm open to amazement.   Out on the oil platforms they have  to pulp the crude to shore.  It may start out hot but soon cools. They have a high voltage polarizer that aligns up the molecule chains and makes the crude 25% easier to pump.

That would be surprising indeed, given the mostly non-polar nature of oil molecules.
Amaze me please, by actually providing a reputable reference.

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That sounded a lot like magnets on a gas line!

Electrodes on an oil pipe, magnets on a gas line, birds on a wire, puppets on a string -- indeed, these all sound alike.
 

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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #59 on: September 20, 2019, 10:35:15 pm »
mmk well my goal was to encourage I guess analysis by people with greater electronic understanding than myself.. so much for that.. So I don't understand the tech in depth.

So here's the thing, you came wanting analysis, you say you do not understand the tech in depth, you get answers from people who *do* understand the tech in depth but you don't like the answers you get and become upset and accuse people of hating. I'm not really sure what you expect, absolutely any competent engineer or physicist will tell you that over-unity is not possible. You can't get something from nothing, ever. "Free" energy exists and is readily exploited with existing technology like photovoltaic panels, wind turbines, hydroelectric dams, geothermal plants, etc which you'd think "big oil" would have buried by now wouldn't you? You cannot use water as a fuel, it does not contain potential energy, water is the exhaust from burning hydrogen, the energy has already been extracted. Trying to use tricks to turn water back into fuel is no different than collecting the CO2 and water vapor from a car tailpipe and trying to turn it back into gasoline to run the car, that's trying to cheat nature and it can't be done, there are no loopholes, period.


If you post bullshit pseudoscience in an engineering forum you're gonna get called on it. There's nothing to analyze or discuss beyond saying "it's bullshit" unless a working device can be examined in depth by an independent engineer in which case whoever invents it is going to become one of the most famous people on the planet overnight, with access to enough wealth that they could buy "big oil" outright on a whim. This is not "hating", it's answering your questions, it can't be helped if you don't like the answers.

Frankly some of the stuff here reminds me an awful lot of the "medical research" emails I used to get from a former friend now and then, later I found out he got into crystal meth which made him feel super smart and write all this stuff about random quacks he found online.

Its cool you're probably right.. and the Nobel laureate mentioned in the Bearden video re broken symmetry was probably... not related and just Bearden using big words to sound smart
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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2019, 10:44:33 pm »
Simon note the first link in my most recent post, reply #20

That link you referenced has nothing to do with over unity at all. Even if what the video states is true it is no different than the feud between Edison and Westinghouse over A.C. vs D.C. or one store chain trying to drive another out of business. The only place over unity or free energy works is in the minds of scammers who hope to get something (your money) for nothing, or Indian Youtubers which is where most of the free energy videos originate. If any of these over unity schemes were true, India would be the richest country on earth.
 

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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2019, 11:22:54 pm »
I'm pretty sure that's what Franlab did with Frantone...

At a significant risk of offending many people, I have to say her videos are nothing about research. Just building things, and mostly, out of date technologies, without a ton of theoretical background.

Her videos are fun to watch, but nothing advanced nor very educational. At least Mr. Carlson has some pretty neat high end tools, though old.

The OP was claiming that crazy old dude was INNOVATING and DEVELOPING new things that could get himself in trouble from the big brothers. That's a completely different level of sophistication.
 

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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2019, 11:23:55 pm »
I'm open to amazement.   Out on the oil platforms they have  to pulp the crude to shore.  It may start out hot but soon cools. They have a high voltage polarizer that aligns up the molecule chains and makes the crude 25% easier to pump.

That would be surprising indeed, given the mostly non-polar nature of oil molecules.
Amaze me please, by actually providing a reputable reference.

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That sounded a lot like magnets on a gas line!

Electrodes on an oil pipe, magnets on a gas line, birds on a wire, puppets on a string -- indeed, these all sound alike.

Those electrodes are for anti-corrosion and have nothing to do with the efficiency of pumping. :palm:

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For structures such as long pipelines, where passive galvanic cathodic protection is not adequate, an external DC electrical power source is used to provide sufficient current.
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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2019, 11:27:38 pm »
HEY! Don't dis us old gear users! >:( That's also insulting people like Franlab, Mr. Carlson's Lab, everyone here who still uses an older multimeter, exc.

Yes, but I bet you don't use ONLY old meters as production tools.

I'm pretty sure that's what Franlab did with Frantone...

It's absolutely do-able, especially if you are recreating vintage style products. I mean they used old tools when they made the products in the first place. Even for modern things, as long as it is within the capability of the tools, being old is not in itself a flaw. The laws of physics have not changed much in the last 50 years, there were some very good multimeters, audio oscillators, spectrum analyzers and other gear made in the 1970s that is still as useful today as it was back then. It's just usually gigantic and may not be as easy to use as modern gear. That is all rather beside the point though.


Edit: Saw your later post, yes, innovating new ideas, probably not too likely, however as someone else said, if the video is 20 years old, then it's not unrealistic to find 20-40 year old tools used.

That said, I'm not claiming the guy has anything to present, I just don't think it's fair to rip on him for his tools. I mean if someone did discover some new energy source, it should be fully possible to analyze with 100 year old test equipment, we're talking pretty fundamental stuff here like generating electricity, which of course makes it all the more unlikely that someone is going to discover something new. The fundamentals of electricity have been well understood for >100 years, at some point we can reasonably say we understand something.
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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2019, 11:50:32 pm »
That said, I'm not claiming the guy has anything to present, I just don't think it's fair to rip on him for his tools. I mean if someone did discover some new energy source, it should be fully possible to analyze with 100 year old test equipment, we're talking pretty fundamental stuff here like generating electricity, which of course makes it all the more unlikely that someone is going to discover something new. The fundamentals of electricity have been well understood for >100 years, at some point we can reasonably say we understand something.

I don't know why, but every time I heard someone has found a new technology of manipulating quantum/zero point/whatever BS sources of energy, I imagine the sophistication of black mesa research facility.
 

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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2019, 11:57:44 pm »
I don't know why, but every time I heard someone has found a new technology of manipulating quantum/zero point/whatever BS sources of energy, I imagine the sophistication of black mesa research facility.


Perhaps because a lot of fraudsters surround themselves with the most high tech cutting edge gear they can find? As you demonstrate, people have a certain expectation of what a lab inventing some sort of completely new tech should look like, and scammers are happy to oblige. It's sort of back to that old idea of baffling people with complexity to obfuscate the reasons why their technology cannot possibly work.

If someone, anyone, could find even *one* example where the laws of energy as we understand them can be bent or broken then that would open the whole debate. It doesn't have to be a complete technology or working product, just some kind of reproducible demonstration of a concept that defies the laws of energy in some small way. Yet hundreds of years and we have nothing, only claims. These fundamental laws have stood the test of time, such that without such a demonstration, we can easily discount any claims as either fraud, or misunderstanding.
 

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« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2019, 12:02:19 am »
If someone, anyone, could find even *one* example where the laws of energy as we understand them can be bent or broken then that would open the whole debate. It doesn't have to be a complete technology or working product, just some kind of reproducible demonstration of a concept that defies the laws of energy in some small way. Yet hundreds of years and we have nothing, only claims. These fundamental laws have stood the test of time, such that without such a demonstration, we can easily discount any claims as either fraud, or misunderstanding.

Exactly! That's why I was expecting something new and fancy -- the existing ones were being researched to death, and I just can't see why a brilliant idea will pop up from nowhere without exploring down to the deep of physics.
 

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« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2019, 12:06:27 am »
Fridays done right


"We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow."
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« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2019, 12:16:16 am »
A jiffy box project and a $5 multimeter, next stop Nobel prize!


The laws of energy as we know them were discovered, tested and documented with tools far less sophisticated. Therein lies the problem though, they are for the most part fundamentally very simple concepts that have been tested in so many ways in so many circumstances and nobody has found a single case where they do not apply. This is why it's so unlikely that anyone ever will.
 

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« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2019, 12:31:37 am »
Sorry what vacuum field? what interaction. You are saying that back emf is free energy......

Not sure where the distinction from acceptable credentials to not acceptable theory/statements is with this guy, but Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden (Ph.D. and an M.S. in Nuclear Engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology) can explain it better than me:



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There are lots of crackpots out there. At least some of them are funny when they try to demonstrate something. But this guy just fantasises for 47 minutes about "electromagnetic vacuum energy" without showing details or proving anything, I stopped watching it after the first few minutes. But the scariest thing is the likes/dislikes ratio of this video, and the delusional comments.
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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2019, 01:26:28 am »
Most of this BS is people claiming to use zero point energy, dark matter/energy, string theory, exc (insert any theoretical physics term that exists only as math with no practical applications). ::) They seem to think they can grab any random science topic and slap it into use in some super duper woo-woo contraption not understanding that theoretical physics can't just turn into practical/applied science overnight.

The worst part is people making crap up about actual science and devices. Like salt-based batteries that the nutjobs call "crystal energy cells", or "magical" HHO gas which is really just premixed hydrogen and oxygen (also called Brown's gas), or those low energy motors previously mentioned (often seen running on salt batteries). :rant: 
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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2019, 08:16:00 am »
A jiffy box project and a $5 multimeter, next stop Nobel prize!


The laws of energy as we know them were discovered, tested and documented with tools far less sophisticated. Therein lies the problem though, they are for the most part fundamentally very simple concepts that have been tested in so many ways in so many circumstances and nobody has found a single case where they do not apply. This is why it's so unlikely that anyone ever will.

Yep, that's the trick. And it's why the tens of thousands of free energy / over unity videos on Youtube are either fake or done by people who don't know how to measure and account for energy.
If something is going to come it's going to be out of some obscure part physics, not someone just playing with magnets and coils.

My video is a classic example:


 

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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #72 on: September 21, 2019, 08:17:22 am »
Perhaps because a lot of fraudsters surround themselves with the most high tech cutting edge gear they can find? As you demonstrate, people have a certain expectation of what a lab inventing some sort of completely new tech should look like, and scammers are happy to oblige. It's sort of back to that old idea of baffling people with complexity to obfuscate the reasons why their technology cannot possibly work.


Indeed. The average layman will think that having more tools makes you more capable and clever failing to understand that you need to know how to use the tool and it needs to be the right tool for the job. Any scammer will surround themselves with kit to try and make themselves look legit. Even genuine people when interviewed will have their oscilloscopes on in the backgrout with a wave form on them just for the hell of it. Look at that documentary they made about electronics in Australia. i think Dave may have been the only one to not have a wall of sine waves behind him.

With the scammers though it tends to look more like a display than a working rack of equipment.
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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #73 on: September 21, 2019, 08:28:44 am »
Sorry what vacuum field? what interaction. You are saying that back emf is free energy......

Not sure where the distinction from acceptable credentials to not acceptable theory/statements is with this guy, but Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden (Ph.D. and an M.S. in Nuclear Engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology) can explain it better than me:

With that PhD he could have submitted a paper to a reputable journal, had people replicate it, and walked away with his Nobel prize. But I'm betting he didn't even try, all we get is once again is a Youtube video and appeal to authority  :=\
 

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Re: Over Unity: It Runs On Water - Stanley Meyer
« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2019, 12:38:51 pm »
I'm open to amazement.   Out on the oil platforms they have  to pulp the crude to shore.  It may start out hot but soon cools. They have a high voltage polarizer that aligns up the molecule chains and makes the crude 25% easier to pump.

That would be surprising indeed, given the mostly non-polar nature of oil molecules.
Amaze me please, by actually providing a reputable reference.

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That sounded a lot like magnets on a gas line!

Electrodes on an oil pipe, magnets on a gas line, birds on a wire, puppets on a string -- indeed, these all sound alike.


You've been served.  Search   Electrorheology crude oil pumping

Just one of many.
https://www.flowcontrolnetwork.com/pipeline-viscosity-reduction-goes-next-generation/
 
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