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Products => Dodgy Technology => Topic started by: phaseform on September 15, 2019, 11:22:46 am
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I know this is heresy, none the less... this video
It Runs On Water Stanley Meyer (1995) MUST-SEE VIDEO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t98UBY3GhhI)
is pretty interesting..
Haven't seen this video in particular on these forums. I know academic institutions are quite the dialectic to things such as zero point, but whatever.. I personally believe that the existing petro-dollar paradigm is on the verge of disappearing... and so on and so forth
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Let 8yo Sagan explain it to you
https://youtu.be/m9xWd25ebPg?t=290
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Let 8yo Sagan explain it to you
https://youtu.be/m9xWd25ebPg?t=290
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, no further moderation action required!
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Amazing how a 25-year old hoax video could have such legs.
Actually easier to find the proofs against than those claiming it's true.
Should really lead OP to question the "social bubble" that led them down that particular garden path.
Not to mention acquiring basic skepticism / internet literacy skills to avoid looking foolish passing fake news along.
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To be honest I thought it was clear that it's all bollocks! At no time do they explain how it works. If you can't explain how it works then it can't work. If all this stuff was true we would have it by now. I dreamt up an overunity machine when i was 14, but I had not learnt enough to realize that I was wrong.
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just putting it out there ;)
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Appropriate accompanying text would have been
"Look at this crazy scam people used to fall for"
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Well he said he believes in it..... :palm:
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I just saw one lighting a lamp with hot water. Two metal containers just with water in them. These containers are not even connected together. They stick a wire end in each one and the lamp lights. Could it be the containers are connected to 120VAC underneith and filled with salt water? The most interesting thing was the video started with a youtube adult content warning. Maybe they don't want the little ones to be corrupted about science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdemzddwT2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdemzddwT2U)
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One problem with this sort of stuff on youtube is that youtube is pushing quackery for views. I have no interests in the 'free energy' vein of thngs, but every time I go to youtube to search for info on physics and electronics, search results and sidebar suggestions are littered with 'free energy' videos.
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The is a simple, absolutely fool proof metric for determining if someone has really invented an over unity machine, just ask the following question:
1) are they the richest person in the world
if the answer is no, then irrespective of any 'evidence' they present, they haven't actually invented a working over-unity machine......
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Well he said he believes in it..... :palm:
how fun is it to respond 100% with "lol idiot why hasn't big oil bought these technologies and saved the world" AND NOT EVEN ACTUALLY DEBUNK THE CLAIM
So scientific to ignore evidence (which by the way, I'm half way through watching that video, and yes it DOES have some interesting evidence).
What if people have successfully made these technologies? Clearly that is too large of an idea to even fathom.
If you will note, the Guy, Stan Meyers met an interesting fate after supposedly building a combustion engine that could run on HHO. An interesting story in itself! Also why is that SOOOOOOO crazy to be able to burn HHO and get more mechanical output than the required power to break water into HHO? Not really over unity, as much as a fuel processing method? Hello, can someone actually answer this without thinking its hilarious to consider.
:-//
Does Zero Point exist? Huh? Does it? Yes. It does. So be quiet with your "LOL IDIOT BELIEVES IN RADICAL TECHNOLOGIES THAT THREATEN THE PETRO DOLLAR ECONOMY"
Edit: that being said, I'm really glad Dave debunked Solar Roadways. That was some preschool sci-fi junk
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STFU and GTFO
Solid argument (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/48955-when-the-debate-is-lost-slander-becomes-the-tool-of)
Edit: So... phase 3? (https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/mahatma_gandhi_103630)
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too funny
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*sigh* People want to believe, there is no convincing someone like that and indeed there's a name for something that is based on having faith and believing in the absence of solid explanations and proof, it's called religion.
If over-unity were possible then there would be so much money in it that the oil companies would get out of the fossil fuel energy business overnight and build massive farms of these magical machines. Oil has many uses and there is virtually unlimited demand regardless of whether we waste it by burning it or not.
Bets on whether the OP also believes the moon landing was a hoax and 9/11 was an inside job? :popcorn:
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What if people have successfully made these technologies?
They haven't, they have made a mistake in their engineering measurements if they think they have.
There have been countless overunity machines over many many generations, and every single one of them when examined and measured properly does not do what it claims. If it did then they would win the nobel prize for physics.
This is why everyone laughs at the over-unity crowd.
You are just making a fool of yourself here on an engineering forum.
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There's quite a good article on the matter that I came across some time back.
https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/whynot.htm (https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/whynot.htm)
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If you will note, the Guy, Stan Meyers met an interesting fate after supposedly building a combustion engine that could run on HHO. An interesting story in itself! Also why is that SOOOOOOO crazy to be able to burn HHO and get more mechanical output than the required power to break water into HHO? Not really over unity, as much as a fuel processing method? Hello, can someone actually answer this without thinking its hilarious to consider.
Because that is precisely over-unity, "get more mechanical output than the required power to break water into HHO" If you get more mechanical output than you put into the machine that's what over-unity means! Water is hydrogen that has already been burned, forming atomic bonds between the two elements has released energy and if you want to break those bonds you have to put that same energy back into the system. You cannot cheat nature, you cannot get something for nothing, ever.
Otherwise it would be possible to build a closed system that is splitting the water, burning the result back into water while also giving off excess energy. You could then put all that energy back into the system and the output would head towards infinite. It is the classic over-unity premise and you have made a very classic error of adding complexity until you have obfuscated the reasons it cannot work from yourself.
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So scientific to ignore evidence (which by the way, I'm half way through watching that video, and yes it DOES have some interesting evidence).
What evidence? you really don't get it do you? tell me how it works! all they said in that video is that no one believes them which they treat as evidence and that they used scientific equipment and mentioned random names of people as though they were voices of authority. I have never seen anything so tacky in my life!!!!!!!!
So get us some evidence and we will talk!
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*sigh* People want to believe, there is no convincing someone like that and indeed there's a name for something that is based on having faith and believing in the absence of solid explanations and proof, it's called religion.
If over-unity were possible then there would be so much money in it that the oil companies would get out of the fossil fuel energy business overnight and build massive farms of these magical machines. Oil has many uses and there is virtually unlimited demand regardless of whether we waste it by burning it or not.
Speaking of Oil, heres (https://youtu.be/vfILTM_xcOE?t=717) an interesting example of big oil shelving NiMH battery tech. The argument that big oil would welcome Zero Point is not the argument, clearly they are motivated and have acted to stifle competition..
Water is hydrogen that has already been burned, forming atomic bonds between the two elements has released energy and if you want to break those bonds you have to put that same energy back into the system. You cannot cheat nature, you cannot get something for nothing, ever.
Otherwise it would be possible to build a closed system that is splitting the water, burning the result back into water while also giving off excess energy. You could then put all that energy back into the system and the output would head towards infinite. It is the classic over-unity premise and you have made a very classic error of adding complexity until you have obfuscated the reasons it cannot work from yourself.
Yes this is totally valid, I realized this after I posted it. Playing devils advocate, in the case of Meyers, with all his patents (https://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/patents-documents/), lets say he isn't a complete trickster fraud, and was actually able to cross the US using only water as fuel, how could he do that?! My only inference would be... perhaps using some kind of harmonic wave addition or something? Did a quick YouTube search for recreating Stan Meyer' (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=recreating+stan+meyer). No shortage of Rabbit Holes... I don't really know the right questions to ask.
Clearly this topic is off limits to even discuss. Big oil acts to stifle competition (proven and interesting). Zero point energy exists. Yet connecting these dots is heresy. Believing Stan Meyers testimony that he was poisoned is therefore laughable. Eh whatever. Consciousness is created in the brain, human life is an aberration in the universe, academic institutions are objective and uninfluenced by money, life has no meaning and the mainstream media represents the people. Case closed
Now excuse me while I load up the Energy From The Vacuum DVD in front of me ;)
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lets say he isn't a complete trickster fraud, and was actually able to cross the US using only water as fuel, how could he do that?!
Actually lets see some proof of that!
My only inference would be... perhaps using some kind of harmonic wave addition or something? Did a quick YouTube search for recreating Stan Meyer' (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=recreating+stan+meyer). No shortage of Rabbit Holes... I don't really know the right questions to ask.
Wow, what is harmonic wave addition in the context of what you are talking about? you sound like quite the expert, enlighten us or stop trolling!
Clearly this topic is off limits to even discuss. Big oil acts to stifle competition (proven and interesting). Zero point energy exists. Yet connecting these dots is heresy. Believing Stan Meyers testimony that he was poisoned is therefore laughable. Eh whatever. Consciousness is created in the brain, human life is an aberration in the universe, academic institutions are objective and uninfluenced by money, life has no meaning and the mainstream media represents the people. Case closed
Now excuse me while I load up the Energy From The Vacuum DVD in front of me ;)
This topic has not been deleted has it? so the EVIDENCE is that it is not taboo to discuss. that is more evidence about something that you have to show for anything. It's not that people shut the discussion down, the call it what it is: fake news!
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Simon note the first link in my most recent post, reply #20
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Simon note the first link in my most recent post, reply #20
I am not interested in stuff you have found lying around on the internet. If this is all true then YOU should be able to explain it. Come on we are here, ready and waiting to hear you out. You are the one making the claims, you explain them. If you can't explain it then you can't say it's true, so stop lying to us and yourself.
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Lol that's pretty funny Simon, you're all show me proof. I'm like ok here. irrefutable, objective source of technology shelving by big oil, and the response? Laa laa laa I can't hear you... Classic
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You're using a random YouTube video as evidence that "big oil" has tried to suppress a battery technology that has been obsolete for vehicle propulsion for more than a decade? Why aren't they shelving far superior li-ion tech? Maybe because an oil company has no power to do so, and no motivation since they have a near unlimited demand for oil either way. They don't need to convince anyone to use more of it, they can barely keep up with demand as it is.
What is it you're really going for here? Just pushing random conspiracy theories? Is it some kind of inherent need to feel that you possess privileged information?
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lol James that fact that your hating the video I linked about NiMH is pretty hilarious, did you watch it? And you still can't see the point I'm making?!
:horse: :horse:
also here's an Electrical Engineer
Youtube link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vh0xecuJek)
quoting Tom Bearden's (http://cheniere.org/) name (Snake Oil fraudster in chief) in a short plug for his upcoming talk. Obviously he's wasted the last '39 years' of his life with this research
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Lol that's pretty funny Simon, you're all show me proof. I'm like ok here. irrefutable, objective source of technology shelving by big oil, and the response? Laa laa laa I can't hear you... Classic
No, I never said "show" me the proof. I said "explain it yourself". YOU can't claim that something works if YOU cannot explain how it works. Otherwise you are advocating magic.....
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This part of your post is the equivalent of: If unicorns exist, do they prefer pineapple or coconuts on their pizza? How would they grab a slice with just hooves?
Playing devils advocate, in the case of Meyers, with all his patents, lets say he isn't a complete trickster fraud, and was actually able to cross the US using only water as fuel, how could he do that?! My only inference would be... perhaps using some kind of harmonic wave addition or something? Did a quick YouTube search for recreating Stan Meyer'. No shortage of Rabbit Holes... I don't really know the right questions to ask.
The right question would be to ask whether he did it at all as described.
The fact that someone has patents means they took the time to fill out a few forms and payed some cash. Patents are not judged based on their feasibility or practicality in this way (do the described devices/processes actually work?).
I am open to the possibility of a better than currently available power source, but I have yet to be convinced.
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*sigh* People want to believe, there is no convincing someone like that and indeed there's a name for something that is based on having faith and believing in the absence of solid explanations and proof, it's called religion.
If over-unity were possible then there would be so much money in it that the oil companies would get out of the fossil fuel energy business overnight and build massive farms of these magical machines. Oil has many uses and there is virtually unlimited demand regardless of whether we waste it by burning it or not.
Speaking of Oil, heres (https://youtu.be/vfILTM_xcOE?t=717) an interesting example of big oil shelving NiMH battery tech. The argument that big oil would welcome Zero Point is not the argument, clearly they are motivated and have acted to stifle competition..
Water is hydrogen that has already been burned, forming atomic bonds between the two elements has released energy and if you want to break those bonds you have to put that same energy back into the system. You cannot cheat nature, you cannot get something for nothing, ever.
Otherwise it would be possible to build a closed system that is splitting the water, burning the result back into water while also giving off excess energy. You could then put all that energy back into the system and the output would head towards infinite. It is the classic over-unity premise and you have made a very classic error of adding complexity until you have obfuscated the reasons it cannot work from yourself.
Yes this is totally valid, I realized this after I posted it. Playing devils advocate, in the case of Meyers, with all his patents (https://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/patents-documents/), lets say he isn't a complete trickster fraud, and was actually able to cross the US using only water as fuel, how could he do that?! My only inference would be... perhaps using some kind of harmonic wave addition or something? Did a quick YouTube search for recreating Stan Meyer' (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=recreating+stan+meyer). No shortage of Rabbit Holes... I don't really know the right questions to ask.
Clearly this topic is off limits to even discuss. Big oil acts to stifle competition (proven and interesting). Zero point energy exists. Yet connecting these dots is heresy. Believing Stan Meyers testimony that he was poisoned is therefore laughable. Eh whatever. Consciousness is created in the brain, human life is an aberration in the universe, academic institutions are objective and uninfluenced by money, life has no meaning and the mainstream media represents the people. Case closed
Now excuse me while I load up the Energy From The Vacuum DVD in front of me ;)
We have a real live one here folks!
The reminds me, I have to cash those big oil checks from my criticism of solar roadways and some other renewable tech ;D
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Obviously he's wasted the last '39 years' of his life with this research
Not the first and won't be the last.
I sense a binary result in people who peruse the field of over-unity:
1) They grow old and die with no practical results to show for it after decades without having convinced even a 2nd year engineering or physics student that it's practical.
2) They win the Nobel prize for physics.
I haven't seen #2 yet, not even a nomination, not even a publication in any reputable journal.
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haha sigh I'll leave it there. Obama did win a nobel peace prize, with I think an order of magnitude more drone strikes than his predecessor...
I really thought the MiMH video would have got some agreement at least. Can't really dispute that...
I never understood smart people being so ideological in their beliefs to the point of not even being able even consider converse opinions (https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/f_scott_fitzgerald_100572)... the echo chamber of 'Zero Point must remain across a vast chasm, strictly in the etheric realm of theoretical physics'
☮️ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6s0rf0watk)
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You still have not explained how it works. Yes this is becoming an echo chamber caused by your refusal to explain the facts of what you believe. I can accept someone believing in god because they say "I just believe, I have no evidence, I have faith", basically you are saying the same thing. You believe in an unproven so called technology with no evidence because to you it is a religion........ religion is not science!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mmk well my goal was to encourage I guess analysis by people with greater electronic understanding than myself.. so much for that.. So I don't understand the tech in depth. I have energy from the vacuum Vol 36 in my DVD drive, I can try report back my understanding from that when I actually watch the thing.. but as I understand it presently.. there is one device that is quite popular.. that is the Bedini monopole motor, involving I believe what is known as "the school girl circuit". The idea here is that there is some back emf as the coil passes the magnetic field. Dont ask me about the physics as :-// ...
My understanding is that this back emf interacts with the vacuum field producing a spike.. I believe this energy is nonconventional in some way.. tap it, presto zero point energy.. thinking back to some of the Bedini/Bearden content I watched years ago.. I remember them saying that a Bedini motor has the capability to run for years... so I searched for it on youtube.. here you go
Levitating Bedini Pulse motor....2 years running non-stop (even at night unlike Mendocino) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2DUBvpMduU)
I wasn't there, I can't prove it... but there it is
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell
The water fuel cell is a technical design of a "perpetual motion machine" created by American Stanley Allen Meyer (August 24, 1940 – March 20, 1998). Meyer claimed that an automobile retrofitted with the device could use water as fuel instead of gasoline. Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.[1][2]
In 1996 Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[2] His "water fuel cell" was later examined by three expert witnesses[who?] in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis." The court found Meyer had committed "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered him to repay the two investors their $25,000.[2]
The court must have been paid off by big oil! ::)
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I never understood smart people being so ideological in their beliefs to the point of not even being able even consider converse opinions... the echo chamber of 'Zero Point must remain across a vast chasm, strictly in the etheric realm of theoretical physics'
Where exactly are you getting the vibe that people here are not considering the other opinions/claims? I have considered various claims, some I found false/very unlikely to be true, others I have found true/very likely to be true. I am able to change my mind and have my mind changed, provided enough data from reasonable sources and/or personal verification.
It's you who is posting random assortments of crap, expecting everyone else to gawk in awe at a video with no useful content, and jumping between topics and claims without finishing even one. If you believe in free energy devices, try to replicate a few, there's lots of them online, there are free energy forums, some even offer plans/schematics. Once you succeed, invite Dave over, with his own measurement tech and enjoy the cash coming in.
Obama did win a nobel peace prize, with I think an order of magnitude more drone strikes than his predecessor...
...which has exactly nothing to do with the topic at hand. While I agree that Obama's Nobel prize is pure BS, it proves no point of yours.
As to the motor, it's just a fairly efficient motor. No magic involved, no extra energy was tapped from the secret heart of the universe. Keeping things rotating is not a feat of magic, does not require lots of energy etc. See:
https://hackaday.com/2017/03/21/tiny-electric-motor-runs-on-power-from-an-led/ (https://hackaday.com/2017/03/21/tiny-electric-motor-runs-on-power-from-an-led/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc9pvKIZA6g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc9pvKIZA6g)
At 30 uA that particular motor can run from a 150mAh cell for the better part of a year. And this was done with a bottle cap, a reed relay and assorted nothings. With further improvements, I'm sure you could get the power consumption down further.
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thinking back to some of the Bedini/Bearden content I watched years ago.. I remember them saying that a Bedini motor has the capability to run for years... so I searched for it on youtube.. here you go Levitating Bedini Pulse motor....2 years running non-stop (even at night unlike Mendocino)[/url]
I wasn't there, I can't prove it... but there it is
Bingo!
Bedini is the over-unity equivalent of Godwin's law
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so the court case against Meyer seems to have another side (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/sci.energy.hydrogen/public$20notice$20to$20inform$20stan$20meyer/sci.energy.hydrogen/wKc9HgxHEhs/RWjFye39VUgJ)..
Bingo!
Bedini is the over-unity equivalent of Godwin's law
haha thats the best I can do
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Sorry what vacuum field? what interaction. You are saying that back emf is free energy......
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Let 8yo Sagan explain it to you
https://youtu.be/m9xWd25ebPg?t=290
Sagan still has the correct answer.....
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Sorry what vacuum field? what interaction. You are saying that back emf is free energy......
Not sure where the distinction from acceptable credentials to not acceptable theory/statements is with this guy, but Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden (Ph.D. and an M.S. in Nuclear Engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology) can explain it better than me:
Pulling Energy from the Vacuum - Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNU3MLqyzPk)
....
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No that guy is a nutter. You need to explain it. Energy conversion is not that complicated. Or you just state that this is a religion to you and you believe it as an act of faith, which I would accept.
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define projection
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Fridays done right
(https://i.imgur.com/iFyFLR0.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNLhxKpfCnA)
"We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow."
;)
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"We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow."
;)
Ok, so exploin that. What "secret" of space will help us cure deseases? And if it's a secret how do we know it can cure deseases, that implies an awful lot of knowledge about something that is called a secret.
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"We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow."
;)
Ok, so exploin that. What "secret" of space will help us cure deseases? And if it's a secret how do we know it can cure deseases, that implies an awful lot of knowledge about something that is called a secret.
Nah, you got that wrong. Those are three independent goals: (a) unlock space mysteries, (b) eradicate disease, (c) harness whatever of tomorrow. All of which will be achieved by that li'l mess'o'wires, of course, by Saturday morning.
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i beleive you ;)
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yea dont want to push too far.. I mean Bearden is already talking about some truly far out things in that video.. I'll just say that quote was by... Q+
sigh way off topic and very far off the reservation lol.. you may even need ooh I dont know.. perhaps a space force. ok ill stop now
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mmk well my goal was to encourage I guess analysis by people with greater electronic understanding than myself.. so much for that.. So I don't understand the tech in depth.
So here's the thing, you came wanting analysis, you say you do not understand the tech in depth, you get answers from people who *do* understand the tech in depth but you don't like the answers you get and become upset and accuse people of hating. I'm not really sure what you expect, absolutely any competent engineer or physicist will tell you that over-unity is not possible. You can't get something from nothing, ever. "Free" energy exists and is readily exploited with existing technology like photovoltaic panels, wind turbines, hydroelectric dams, geothermal plants, etc which you'd think "big oil" would have buried by now wouldn't you? You cannot use water as a fuel, it does not contain potential energy, water is the exhaust from burning hydrogen, the energy has already been extracted. Trying to use tricks to turn water back into fuel is no different than collecting the CO2 and water vapor from a car tailpipe and trying to turn it back into gasoline to run the car, that's trying to cheat nature and it can't be done, there are no loopholes, period.
If you post bullshit pseudoscience in an engineering forum you're gonna get called on it. There's nothing to analyze or discuss beyond saying "it's bullshit" unless a working device can be examined in depth by an independent engineer in which case whoever invents it is going to become one of the most famous people on the planet overnight, with access to enough wealth that they could buy "big oil" outright on a whim. This is not "hating", it's answering your questions, it can't be helped if you don't like the answers.
Frankly some of the stuff here reminds me an awful lot of the "medical research" emails I used to get from a former friend now and then, later I found out he got into crystal meth which made him feel super smart and write all this stuff about random quacks he found online.
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lol James that fact that your hating the video I linked about NiMH is pretty hilarious, did you watch it? And you still can't see the point I'm making?!
Why would I believe a so called electronic engineer who can't get his mic wired up properly? That amount of mains hum is stupid even for rookie home podcasters.
Also, judging from his equipment, I would say he is either broken AF as an engineer, or have some pretty good ornaments as a scamming artist.
The 34401 is the only thing that I see still has a value. The first gen scope meter is basically junk, the F27 was discontinued probably one or two decades ago. The rest are older than I am.
HEY! Don't dis us old gear users! >:( That's also insulting people like Franlab, Mr. Carlson's Lab, everyone here who still uses an older multimeter, exc.
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That video is over two decades old. That equipment was probably still hot shit back then. Surely they have made it work better by now. They promised 10 years.
I'm open to amazement. Out on the oil platforms they have to pulp the crude to shore. It may start out hot but soon cools. They have a high voltage polarizer that aligns up the molecule chains and makes the crude 25% easier to pump. That sounded a lot like magnets on a gas line!
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That video is over two decades old. That equipment was probably still hot shit back then. Surely they have made it work better by now. They promised 10 years.
Absolutely. If it was barely over-unity back then, it will be at least over-duplicity now!
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That video is over two decades old. That equipment was probably still hot shit back then. Surely they have made it work better by now. They promised 10 years.
Absolutely. If it was barely over-unity back then, it will be at least over-duplicity now!
duplicity indeed, that is their game.
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HEY! Don't dis us old gear users! >:( That's also insulting people like Franlab, Mr. Carlson's Lab, everyone here who still uses an older multimeter, exc.
Well I'm not ever gonna rip on anyone for the gear they use, provided they come up with results. But on the flip side, having all the fancy gear in the world doesn't stop one from being a quack or a fraud.
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HEY! Don't dis us old gear users! >:( That's also insulting people like Franlab, Mr. Carlson's Lab, everyone here who still uses an older multimeter, exc.
Yes, but I bet you don't use ONLY old meters as production tools.
I'm pretty sure that's what Franlab did with Frantone...
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I'm open to amazement. Out on the oil platforms they have to pulp the crude to shore. It may start out hot but soon cools. They have a high voltage polarizer that aligns up the molecule chains and makes the crude 25% easier to pump.
That would be surprising indeed, given the mostly non-polar nature of oil molecules.
Amaze me please, by actually providing a reputable reference.
That sounded a lot like magnets on a gas line!
Electrodes on an oil pipe, magnets on a gas line, birds on a wire, puppets on a string -- indeed, these all sound alike.
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mmk well my goal was to encourage I guess analysis by people with greater electronic understanding than myself.. so much for that.. So I don't understand the tech in depth.
So here's the thing, you came wanting analysis, you say you do not understand the tech in depth, you get answers from people who *do* understand the tech in depth but you don't like the answers you get and become upset and accuse people of hating. I'm not really sure what you expect, absolutely any competent engineer or physicist will tell you that over-unity is not possible. You can't get something from nothing, ever. "Free" energy exists and is readily exploited with existing technology like photovoltaic panels, wind turbines, hydroelectric dams, geothermal plants, etc which you'd think "big oil" would have buried by now wouldn't you? You cannot use water as a fuel, it does not contain potential energy, water is the exhaust from burning hydrogen, the energy has already been extracted. Trying to use tricks to turn water back into fuel is no different than collecting the CO2 and water vapor from a car tailpipe and trying to turn it back into gasoline to run the car, that's trying to cheat nature and it can't be done, there are no loopholes, period.
If you post bullshit pseudoscience in an engineering forum you're gonna get called on it. There's nothing to analyze or discuss beyond saying "it's bullshit" unless a working device can be examined in depth by an independent engineer in which case whoever invents it is going to become one of the most famous people on the planet overnight, with access to enough wealth that they could buy "big oil" outright on a whim. This is not "hating", it's answering your questions, it can't be helped if you don't like the answers.
Frankly some of the stuff here reminds me an awful lot of the "medical research" emails I used to get from a former friend now and then, later I found out he got into crystal meth which made him feel super smart and write all this stuff about random quacks he found online.
Its cool you're probably right.. and the Nobel laureate mentioned in the Bearden video re broken symmetry was probably... not related and just Bearden using big words to sound smart
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Simon note the first link in my most recent post, reply #20
That link you referenced has nothing to do with over unity at all. Even if what the video states is true it is no different than the feud between Edison and Westinghouse over A.C. vs D.C. or one store chain trying to drive another out of business. The only place over unity or free energy works is in the minds of scammers who hope to get something (your money) for nothing, or Indian Youtubers which is where most of the free energy videos originate. If any of these over unity schemes were true, India would be the richest country on earth.
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I'm open to amazement. Out on the oil platforms they have to pulp the crude to shore. It may start out hot but soon cools. They have a high voltage polarizer that aligns up the molecule chains and makes the crude 25% easier to pump.
That would be surprising indeed, given the mostly non-polar nature of oil molecules.
Amaze me please, by actually providing a reputable reference.
That sounded a lot like magnets on a gas line!
Electrodes on an oil pipe, magnets on a gas line, birds on a wire, puppets on a string -- indeed, these all sound alike.
Those electrodes are for anti-corrosion and have nothing to do with the efficiency of pumping. :palm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathodic_protection
For structures such as long pipelines, where passive galvanic cathodic protection is not adequate, an external DC electrical power source is used to provide sufficient current.
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HEY! Don't dis us old gear users! >:( That's also insulting people like Franlab, Mr. Carlson's Lab, everyone here who still uses an older multimeter, exc.
Yes, but I bet you don't use ONLY old meters as production tools.
I'm pretty sure that's what Franlab did with Frantone...
It's absolutely do-able, especially if you are recreating vintage style products. I mean they used old tools when they made the products in the first place. Even for modern things, as long as it is within the capability of the tools, being old is not in itself a flaw. The laws of physics have not changed much in the last 50 years, there were some very good multimeters, audio oscillators, spectrum analyzers and other gear made in the 1970s that is still as useful today as it was back then. It's just usually gigantic and may not be as easy to use as modern gear. That is all rather beside the point though.
Edit: Saw your later post, yes, innovating new ideas, probably not too likely, however as someone else said, if the video is 20 years old, then it's not unrealistic to find 20-40 year old tools used.
That said, I'm not claiming the guy has anything to present, I just don't think it's fair to rip on him for his tools. I mean if someone did discover some new energy source, it should be fully possible to analyze with 100 year old test equipment, we're talking pretty fundamental stuff here like generating electricity, which of course makes it all the more unlikely that someone is going to discover something new. The fundamentals of electricity have been well understood for >100 years, at some point we can reasonably say we understand something.
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I don't know why, but every time I heard someone has found a new technology of manipulating quantum/zero point/whatever BS sources of energy, I imagine the sophistication of black mesa research facility.
Perhaps because a lot of fraudsters surround themselves with the most high tech cutting edge gear they can find? As you demonstrate, people have a certain expectation of what a lab inventing some sort of completely new tech should look like, and scammers are happy to oblige. It's sort of back to that old idea of baffling people with complexity to obfuscate the reasons why their technology cannot possibly work.
If someone, anyone, could find even *one* example where the laws of energy as we understand them can be bent or broken then that would open the whole debate. It doesn't have to be a complete technology or working product, just some kind of reproducible demonstration of a concept that defies the laws of energy in some small way. Yet hundreds of years and we have nothing, only claims. These fundamental laws have stood the test of time, such that without such a demonstration, we can easily discount any claims as either fraud, or misunderstanding.
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Fridays done right
(https://i.imgur.com/iFyFLR0.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNLhxKpfCnA)
"We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow."
;)
A jiffy box project and a $5 multimeter, next stop Nobel prize!
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A jiffy box project and a $5 multimeter, next stop Nobel prize!
The laws of energy as we know them were discovered, tested and documented with tools far less sophisticated. Therein lies the problem though, they are for the most part fundamentally very simple concepts that have been tested in so many ways in so many circumstances and nobody has found a single case where they do not apply. This is why it's so unlikely that anyone ever will.
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Sorry what vacuum field? what interaction. You are saying that back emf is free energy......
Not sure where the distinction from acceptable credentials to not acceptable theory/statements is with this guy, but Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden (Ph.D. and an M.S. in Nuclear Engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology) can explain it better than me:
Pulling Energy from the Vacuum - Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNU3MLqyzPk)
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There are lots of crackpots out there. At least some of them are funny when they try to demonstrate something. But this guy just fantasises for 47 minutes about "electromagnetic vacuum energy" without showing details or proving anything, I stopped watching it after the first few minutes. But the scariest thing is the likes/dislikes ratio of this video, and the delusional comments.
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Most of this BS is people claiming to use zero point energy, dark matter/energy, string theory, exc (insert any theoretical physics term that exists only as math with no practical applications). ::) They seem to think they can grab any random science topic and slap it into use in some super duper woo-woo contraption not understanding that theoretical physics can't just turn into practical/applied science overnight.
The worst part is people making crap up about actual science and devices. Like salt-based batteries that the nutjobs call "crystal energy cells", or "magical" HHO gas which is really just premixed hydrogen and oxygen (also called Brown's gas), or those low energy motors previously mentioned (often seen running on salt batteries). :rant:
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A jiffy box project and a $5 multimeter, next stop Nobel prize!
The laws of energy as we know them were discovered, tested and documented with tools far less sophisticated. Therein lies the problem though, they are for the most part fundamentally very simple concepts that have been tested in so many ways in so many circumstances and nobody has found a single case where they do not apply. This is why it's so unlikely that anyone ever will.
Yep, that's the trick. And it's why the tens of thousands of free energy / over unity videos on Youtube are either fake or done by people who don't know how to measure and account for energy.
If something is going to come it's going to be out of some obscure part physics, not someone just playing with magnets and coils.
My video is a classic example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI)
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Perhaps because a lot of fraudsters surround themselves with the most high tech cutting edge gear they can find? As you demonstrate, people have a certain expectation of what a lab inventing some sort of completely new tech should look like, and scammers are happy to oblige. It's sort of back to that old idea of baffling people with complexity to obfuscate the reasons why their technology cannot possibly work.
Indeed. The average layman will think that having more tools makes you more capable and clever failing to understand that you need to know how to use the tool and it needs to be the right tool for the job. Any scammer will surround themselves with kit to try and make themselves look legit. Even genuine people when interviewed will have their oscilloscopes on in the backgrout with a wave form on them just for the hell of it. Look at that documentary they made about electronics in Australia. i think Dave may have been the only one to not have a wall of sine waves behind him.
With the scammers though it tends to look more like a display than a working rack of equipment.
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Sorry what vacuum field? what interaction. You are saying that back emf is free energy......
Not sure where the distinction from acceptable credentials to not acceptable theory/statements is with this guy, but Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden (Ph.D. and an M.S. in Nuclear Engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology) can explain it better than me:
With that PhD he could have submitted a paper to a reputable journal, had people replicate it, and walked away with his Nobel prize. But I'm betting he didn't even try, all we get is once again is a Youtube video and appeal to authority :=\
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I'm open to amazement. Out on the oil platforms they have to pulp the crude to shore. It may start out hot but soon cools. They have a high voltage polarizer that aligns up the molecule chains and makes the crude 25% easier to pump.
That would be surprising indeed, given the mostly non-polar nature of oil molecules.
Amaze me please, by actually providing a reputable reference.
That sounded a lot like magnets on a gas line!
Electrodes on an oil pipe, magnets on a gas line, birds on a wire, puppets on a string -- indeed, these all sound alike.
You've been served. Search Electrorheology crude oil pumping
Just one of many.
https://www.flowcontrolnetwork.com/pipeline-viscosity-reduction-goes-next-generation/ (https://www.flowcontrolnetwork.com/pipeline-viscosity-reduction-goes-next-generation/)
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Oh, this thread's title looked like a song.
I was disappointed to realize it actually wasn't. ::)
I was already imagining a full album titled "Over Unity", with a number of fun songs. Too bad.
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You've been served. Search Electrorheology crude oil pumping
Just one of many.
https://www.flowcontrolnetwork.com/pipeline-viscosity-reduction-goes-next-generation/ (https://www.flowcontrolnetwork.com/pipeline-viscosity-reduction-goes-next-generation/)
Speaking as a chemical engineer with decades of experience in the field, that article reads like total bullshit. It combines technical words and concepts in a way that are more like word salad than coherent ideas. To an engineer in the field it comes across as meaningless nonsense written by a non-engineer trying to join big words together to make them sound impressive.
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Was your pumping experience pumping gas? Obviously, you haven't remained educated in the field. Nor have you bothered to actually look at the research. People that write articles in trade magazines don't know anything other than to use a word processor. Lots of research papers on this and it is being used in the Keystone pipeline and others. You don't even bother looking. Your opinion is no better than the over unity people. I'm still right and you're still wrong.