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SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« on: January 26, 2022, 08:26:12 am »
https://www.analogueseduction.net/terminated/siltech-triple-crown-speaker-cables.html



Prices:
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2m £55,000.00
2.5m £64,710.00
 3m £74,410.00
3.5m £84,120.00
4m £93,820.00

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Siltech’s mono-crystal silver conductors already deliver the highest resolution, lowest loss audio signal path.
But alongside new levels of musicalnuance,  detail and definition, their astonishing accuracy also reveals the shortcomings
in other aspects of cable construction, residual levels of micro-distortion and other error  mechanisms that have been masked
until now. Using the latest advances in audio measurement techniques, it became clear that to eliminate all distortion and minimize
all induced errors would require the mechanical and electrical optimization of the signal transmission path as a whole, including not
just the cable but the connectors as well.  It would require a completely new construction, new levels of geometrical and conductive
consistency. It would demand a complete rethink

The result is Triple Crown – a cable with a revolutionary new construction and revolutionary new connectors that revolutionizes
the musical accuracy of audio cables in the high-end audio market.

Cable performance isn’t just about technical parameters and LCR values measured in the lab – because most audio cables aren’t
used in labs. What Siltech’s exhaustive empirical research has revealed is that it’s not just low LCR numbers that matter, but the
consistency with which a cable delivers those numbers under real-world conditions. In many ways, that is no surprise, given the
proven benefits of conductor quality and consistency and spaced shield construction. What is a surprise is just how critical it
can be – and how it throws development emphasis onto mechanical and electrical stability.

WHAT’S BETTER THAN MONO-CRYSTAL SILVER?
But first, let’s consider conductors: Our mono-crystal silver conductors already set the standard against which all other conductors
are  measured. How could we improve on them? Well, if mono-crystal silver is the best conductor material available, one way to
get better performance is to use more of it, creating dimensionally optimized conductors that use more of this costly material.
The Triple Crown’s conductors are the largest diameter mono-crystal silver conductors we’ve ever used, a solution that’s only
possible in a genuinely  cost-no-object design, where the only consideration is ultimate performance.

...

at 18pF/m, the Triple Crown cable has around one-fifth the capacitance of our already outstanding Double Crown.

Specifications: None
Leads to a brochure on a dead URL
Archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20170304021826/http://www.siltechcables.com/uploads/files/Siltech_TC_brochure.pdf

Still no specifications just a a brochure of fancy looking wiring enclosures and connectors.

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One Step At A Time…
Real world solutions for out of this world performance
Cable performance isn’t just about technical parameters and LCR values  :bullshit:
measured in the lab – because most audio cables aren’t used in labs.
What Siltech’s exhaustive empirical research has revealed is that it’s not just
low LCR numbers that matter, but the consistency with which a cable delivers
those numbers under real-world conditions. In many ways, that is no surprise,
given the proven benefits of conductor quality, consistency and spaced shield
construction. What is a surprise is just how critical it can be – and how it
throws development emphasis onto mechanical and electrical stability.
But first, what’s better than mono-crystal silver?
Our mono-crystal silver conductors already set the standard against which all
other conductors are measured. How could we improve on them?
Well, if mono-crystal silver is the best conductor material available, one way
to get better performance is to use more of it, creating dimensionally optimized
conductors that use more of this costly material. The Triple Crown’s
conductors are the largest diameter mono-crystal silver conductors we’ve
ever used, a solution that’s only possible in a genuinely cost-no-object design,
where the only consideration is ultimate performance.

...

We call the new topology Air
Cradle Construction and it combines massive mono-crystal silver conductors
with ultra low-density insulation created from a complex Teflon matrix, to
deliver incredibly low inductance, resistance and capacitance. The result is a
vanishingly low loss cable with numbers that aren’t just better than any other
cable we’ve ever produced – they’re better under any circumstances.

...

With three patents pending, their solid mono-crystal silver contacts provide
perfect material continuity through the cable and connector, while the revolutionary
two-part asymmetrical design of both the XLR and RCA self-centres
and mechanically clamps the contacts, ensuring a geometrical and electrically
consistent connection, no matter the size or tolerance of the socket.
Despite their size the new connectors are also incredibly low-mass - a result
of the intricate construction and watch-like precision.
That should come as no surprise: only a watch-maker was able to achieve
the tolerances we demanded.

...

Superior shielding and easier handling
The large break-out bodies at each end of the cable are for more than mere
decoration. Each one has a switch on it that allows you to lift the shield
connection, allowing you to choose between directional or star grounding
of each channel’s shields – or no shield grounding at all – depending on
the system and environmental situation. It’s another small but surprisingly
important step in the pursuit of ultimate system optimization.
Each plug also allows the connector to turn through 90 degrees (so 180
degrees per cable). The Triple Crown cables are necessarily bulky and stiff.
We made them as flexible as possible, but we couldn’t make them bend any
more easily without compromising the sound. Pose-able connectors aren’t
just an aid to installation – they’re what makes it possible.


Buzzword bullshit: musicalnuance, detail and definition astonishing accuracy,
residual levels, micro-distortion,  error mechanisms, masked advances, induced errors,
 mechanical and electrical optimization, revolutionizes the musical accuracy of audio cable,
exhaustive empirical research, MONO-CRYSTAL SILVER, dimensionally optimized conductors,
costly material, ultimate performance, LCR values, Teflon matrix, material continuity, revolutionary
two-part asymmetrical design, stay ground, ultimate system optimization.

Mono crystals cable...  I still don't understand what it means.

I see a video on the page to do with the design.



Fancy looking enclosure construction around the connectors but still using a simple looking spade crimp terminal.

What do you think?
 

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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2022, 09:35:15 am »
Oh good, a new height in the fine art of idiocy.

edit: Can you even create a monocrystaline cable that actually bends?
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2022, 09:48:05 am »
What I think, brilliant bullshit marketing getting money from millionaires without brains.
The same target audience as the pure gold iPhones with diamonds, gold leaves hamburgers etc.
If you buy a half billion $ yacht , this is peanuts  :)
 

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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2022, 10:24:29 am »
The same target audience as the pure gold iPhones with diamonds, gold leaves hamburgers etc.
Yeah, and the people on the supply side are the same that design and sell fake medical devices to desperate people: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/woo-equipment-repair-ethics/
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2022, 12:29:30 pm »
I'm all excited about that new Sillytech Penta Crown pure Platinum Cable. Made from pure Platinum bars and featuring quantum-dot connectors plated with purified unicorn-blood.
As this is their top-of-the-line product, don't expect it to be cheap. In short: If you care about pricing, this prodcut is not for you  :-DD
 

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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2022, 06:57:27 pm »
I suppose it's marginally better that these jerks scam audiophools who have more money than sense and can afford it, rather than the life savings from little old ladies.
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2022, 06:14:40 pm »
I'm surprised no one has marketed 24 CT, pure gold cables yet, has to be the ulimate rich silly wanker product!
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2022, 06:24:16 pm »
I'm surprised no one has marketed 24 CT, pure gold cables yet, has to be the ulimate rich silly wanker product!
Lower profit margin than lamp cord in "fancy" heatshrink  |O |O |O
 
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2022, 12:03:52 pm »
I'm surprised no one has marketed 24 CT, pure gold cables yet, has to be the ulimate rich silly wanker product!
It's a lot harder to make aluminum wire look like gold allright.
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2022, 10:09:36 pm »
It's a lot harder to make aluminum wire look like gold allright.

Actually, it's not. Anodized Aluminium is available an almost every color thinkable, including "gold".
E.g. available here (not affiliated, available elsewhere, too; just as an example): https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07WHC1CZC
 

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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2022, 10:47:55 pm »
It's a lot harder to make aluminum wire look like gold allright.

Actually, it's not. Anodized Aluminium is available an almost every color thinkable, including "gold".
E.g. available here (not affiliated, available elsewhere, too; just as an example): https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07WHC1CZC
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2022, 12:17:27 am »
Anodizing is a common industrial chemical or electrochemical process to passivate metals, including aluminum, by building up an oxide layer, thereby inhibiting corrosion.  Dyes can be incorporated into the process to produce a wide range of colors.
If you are dealing with an anodized surface in an electrical system, it is important to "break" the anodizing when making an electrical connection to the metal panel, etc. (with appropriate sharp-edged hardware), since the anodized film (Al2O3 for aluminum) is a good electrical insulator.
 

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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2022, 02:50:00 am »
The inherent problem with all these cables is that they are flexible and thus produce micro-phase errors that cast a vague haze over the sound by nonlinear mixing and combining of normally subthreshold artifacts and thus casting an invisible, yet perceptible, sonic brown smog high in the acoustic atmosphere.

The only solution is the use of rigid copper conductors, as the sonically experienced understand that silver conductors produce a disturbing harshness to the sound due to their high mechanical Q-factor and the unavoidable electro-mechanical coupling.

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For full sonic benefit, they must be polished before every listening session and every 20-40 minutes while listening, but this can be conveniently accomplished between vinyl sides.

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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2022, 08:34:24 am »
BIL had some serious home Hi Fi years ago, with all those fancy expensive cables on show. however where they went into the floor, we cut a hole in the wood, placed a brace under the floor, and fed the wire from one end to the other. Then, because the cables were 2m long, we cut them in half, and used regular 2.5mm copper house wire to extend them under the floor, and regular chocolate block terminal blocks to join them. Cable used was some recovered cable as well, just scraped off the black oxide both sides to get a clean joint, and then put the plank back with some screws, and a corner cut out to allow clearance. Worked well enough, and was a cheap method to get fancy cable in a really long length, and nobody could hear any difference.

Some of those fancy cables were really poor quality, did plenty of work on some to resolder poor connections to the plugs, which had snapped off, because the heavy gold plate turned the solder purple. Add solder, flick off onto newspaper, and replace with more solder, and push the wire actually into the hole. Still have some, I use them as a source of nice PTFE coated silver plated test leads, using cheap plugs I got from Frankie.
 

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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2022, 03:32:01 pm »
It's strange that "high end" audio cables and equipment are even available in single ended, differential I/O should be standard well before that point. Differential inputs even offer some benefit connecting to single ended devices.
I suppose it's marginally better that these jerks scam audiophools who have more money than sense and can afford it, rather than the life savings from little old ladies.
If you're referencing Fran's housing troubles, she's quite tall, hardly a "little" lady.
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2022, 10:24:43 am »
It's strange that "high end" audio cables and equipment are even available in single ended, differential I/O should be standard well before that point. Differential inputs even offer some benefit connecting to single ended devices.
I suppose it's marginally better that these jerks scam audiophools who have more money than sense and can afford it, rather than the life savings from little old ladies.
If you're referencing Fran's housing troubles, she's quite tall, hardly a "little" lady.

I was not. I was referring to the problem of scammers stealing the life savings from little old ladies (they are not all little or old, or ladies, but that is the "meme"), by various means, such as fake building works, getting them to give power of attorney and etc etc.
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2022, 03:38:03 pm »
At least in this cable there is an actual audio signal, so maybe there could really be some imrpovement so tiny that it's physically impossible to measure.

But wanna talk bout this? https://www.analogueseduction.net/mains-cables/ODINgold1.html?currency=3
A 43k bucks mains cable for which the only positive thing they could say is this

"This cable not only eliminates EMI and RFI, but promotes a faster rise time in the 50/60 Hz cycle, ensuring the instantaneous and stable delivery of the AC current necessary for premium results. "

Oh, and in case you are insterested, they also sell a "Burn in CDs" used to demagnitize residuals fields that build up in the components over time

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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2022, 04:45:01 pm »
They call it GOLD when infact it is gold plated:.

Nordost Odin Gold Mains Cable
https://www.analogueseduction.net/mains-cables/ODINgold1.html?currency=3
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Gold-plated 99.999999% solid core OFC

"the Odin Gold Power Cord harnesses the full breadth of Nordost’s technological advances." :bullshit:

When they get people believing in this crap and getting them to buy it.
 

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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2022, 05:36:49 pm »
The "rise time", as defined in textbooks, of a 60 Hz sine wave (time from 10% to 90% of amplitude) can be calculated (but I'm too lazy this morning).  If the rise time were "improved" (reduced), that would be the first step on the way to a square wave.
 

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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2022, 07:08:42 pm »
The "rise time", as defined in textbooks, of a 60 Hz sine wave (time from 10% to 90% of amplitude) can be calculated (but I'm too lazy this morning).  If the rise time were "improved" (reduced), that would be the first step on the way to a square wave.

Which would be even worse for audio equipment due to its higher frequency components...
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2022, 03:48:10 pm »
They call it GOLD when infact it is gold plated:.

Nordost Odin Gold Mains Cable
https://www.analogueseduction.net/mains-cables/ODINgold1.html?currency=3
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Gold-plated 99.999999% solid core OFC

"the Odin Gold Power Cord harnesses the full breadth of Nordost’s technological advances." :bullshit:

When they get people believing in this crap and getting them to buy it.

A little off topic, but an even more blatant lie: https://foundersbrewing.com/our-beer/solid-gold/

If it was SOLID gold, how could you even drink it!!

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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2022, 04:18:37 pm »
Maybe 25 years ago, I tried a shot of Danziger Goldwasser  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwasser  with visible gold flakes in it, but could not see any reason to drink more.
 

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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2022, 05:29:42 pm »
Maybe 25 years ago, I tried a shot of Danziger Goldwasser  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwasser  with visible gold flakes in it, but could not see any reason to drink more.

My grandparents - from Danzig (fled from Danzig to Kiel in Germany) - always got a bottle of "Goldwasser" for christmas, which reminded them of the "old times". Presumably, as they were members of the academic yachting club of Danzig, then Kiel, quite a few bottles were emptied on a regular base. They did more drinking than yachting :)
 
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2022, 06:50:27 pm »
A serious technical report from NIH about being killed with molten gold down the throat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1769869/
In history, certain ancient Romans and later Spanish Conquistadors were assassinated in this manner.
 
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Re: SILTECH TRIPLE CROWN SPEAKER CABLE £93000 for 4m
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2022, 07:51:23 pm »
Joke: The only gold there is is what the founders are going to make and I see they have a mug club membership from $400 - $1400
https://foundersbrewing.com/brewery/grand-rapids/mug-club/
I don't understand, is that suppose to be a good deal or are they taking them for a mug?

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Our brewery was built on an attitude of no regrets. An attitude of taking risks to bring the best beer possible to our fellow renegades and rebels. Never brewing to style, but always brewing what we want to drink. Our take on a classic, Solid Gold is a drinkable premium lager brewed with the highest quality ingredients. Challenging what a lager can be? That’s something we won’t regret.
I can't seem to find the ingredients.

Maybe 25 years ago, I tried a shot of Danziger Goldwasser  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwasser  with visible gold flakes in it, but could not see any reason to drink more.

Just reminded me of this article:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/16547319/luxxo-burgers-covered-in-gold-tolworth/

NICE BUNS Glittering :bullshit: burger to rival Salt Bae is covered in 24-carat GOLD – and will set you back an eye-watering £135.95
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but owner Atta Manan believes you get a taste of what you pay.
He said: “1 It tastes like money...     Atta’s staff use anywhere between six or eight edible gold leaves to cover the burger depending on its size, but the process only takes a few extra minutes to transform the patty from regular to luxury.
Then at the end of the day it'll go straight outside their backsides in the toilet.

1 Like with Audiofoolery about hearing the difference I am sure with that amount of money spend on it they'll also taste the difference.


I have a question. What would happen say before someone is sent to the electric chair and are fed gold burgers and leaves would that help them conduct the electricity a bit better?


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