Something something free energy Part 1

[adras]

I don't know if it's free energy.

Free energy doesn't exist. I can proof it, mathematically!

Yet, I would like to discuss a few things. I would like to get to a neutral point of perspective, where we start to investigate stuff from a neutral point.

Can we? Do we want? Yes, this is the question.

What if I asked you: Is there free energy? You would say no, and I probably agreed. But then, what does that mean? Would you want free energy to exist? Would you like to have it?

Now I just asked, does it exist, and you said: "No". Doesn't this mean you don't want to have it? Because if you proofed it inexistent, you basically proofed you can never ever have it.

Now, I'm sorry for this philosophical debate, this is an electronics forum, and we're getting electric. Please trust me.

I want to have it. I want to have free energy. So where the f!(ck is it? I don't know, I can't explain. But if I asked you to discover electricity, you wouldn't really able to proof where it's coming from, you can show it, but how things work .... ehhh ... meh....

So ... Electricity, Electrics as I like to call it, electrics likes water, as I like to joke about it. From now on I'm rather explaining a story, an idea:

Electricts is when you think there is water, and buckets. It's when you start to connect things together.

So we start with a generator, a water source, 20 water per second. I hope units don't matter, they only need to be reasonable, right? Now with these 20 water a second, we're filling a bucket. This bucket can have in total 500 of water. This takes a while to fill. We don't care, we attach another of these buckets, and another one, one more, yes, one more, yes, yes, keep going. So now we've got a few.

Now in general electricity/electronicts, I believe it is such that when you have a transformer, driven at a certrain frequency, and you attach an output load, the "input" frequency lowers as the output let's call it load rises?

Now, I believe, if we have a bucket system like that, where we feed 20 water in with multiple "buffers" of 500 water, we can eventually fill it. And once it is filled, we can constantly take 20 water out of the system.

So far, so good. I hope we can agree, that this is balanced. (If ever any resistances come into play, I can tell you that we're able to scale them away! But pretty please, don't distract until we concluded). All in all, do resistances play a role? I feed 20 water into a system, I take 20 water out? where is resistance? Is there resistance? Did I even mange to generate heat? Then I'd generated additional energy. I don't care. Aaaah.

Sorry, I'm at a point where I see too much, I just get distracted. So, Sorry! *I bough down*

We have a system, where we feed 20 water in, we could take 20 water out, yet it can handle 500*10 water, in 10 stages, all connected by a limited flow. If we take water out at the end, more than is fed into the system, there will be a shortage in the first container, which then goes on to the next, to the next, and the next, until it reaches the source. And we drain the entire system...

But it's a bit more than that...

I need a break, it's really exhausting to explain everything. To me it makes sense, I believed, the simple things I said make sense. I proofed, that we can only have free energy once we belief in it.

Yet ... It's so fucking exhausting...

You know, once you come to understand that free energy doesn't exist, and you start to look for it, all you're going to find is proof. This is actually driving yourself absolutely mad. But it is still what I said: "Once you start looking for free energy all you will find is proof". And ultimately, once you found it, everything will be pain.

It will be you telling me:
* Jesus ... christ ... by zeus, the god of electricity, what you say is absolute bollocks, there is no free energy
* Maswells equations show there's nothing for free
* Zeus told us there is nothing for free
* The three laws of thermodynamics tell us there's nothing for free

I know. You see. From my perspective, there's the following question you could ask to a scholar:

Give me 50 reasons that free energy doesn't exist.
And then, the scholar comes up with a list.

But a the same time, you can ask: Give me 50 reasons why free energy can exist

And then, you will also get answers.

I mean. I think I've got some great ideas. But are you even interested? I mean, what is more important? Listening to me, or proofing me wrong, by showing that free energy does not exist?

[adras]

Reserved

[adras]

Reserved

[Halcyon]

Free energy doesn't exist.

Correct. What's the point of this thread?

[EEVblog]

We are all just waiting with bated breath 

[adras]

You see. Imagine the following. You're sitting there, watching the world all around you. Then you start talking to other people about the world. And suddenly there is a disagreement. There emerge two opposing things. There was a single thing. The point of perspective, but now, that there is a second observer with a second perspective, there is a relation. This is what we call a voltage. We don't understand it, but this is it. Einstein was trying to explain it, I claim, the theory of relativitiy. Just try to explain a voltage without a delta. Just try to explain a voltage by not having two points of perspective. But nah, now we're knocking at the walls of reality, I don't want to break it down.

Everything is as we want it to be. We need to understand that. Do we want to believe in the fact that it's mathematically and physically proofen, that free energy doesn't exist? Why is it like that? And just because we found a reason, does that mean there is no other option? I mean, sorry, this is a rick and mortiesque example. If I had a girlfriend, and I don't liked her, I just could chop her head off. Then shes not just no longer my girlfriend, she stops existing in the first place. Now, if we have such power, why can't there be free energy? I just showed, that we're essentially able to kinda drain all of it in some weird and very nasty way, which happened beyond our imagination. My example was harsh and rough and it sucked. Sorry. But, isn't there a bright side? Something where can possibly gain?

[adras]

We are all just waiting with bated breath 

Love you, please allow me to keep going

[Monkeh]

Where do I send the bill for the brain cells trying to read that just cost me?

[EEVblog]

We are all just waiting with bated breath 

Love you, please allow me to keep going

Knock yourself out, just don't expect anyone here to take you seriously, nor care.

[IanB]

Give me 50 reasons that free energy doesn't exist.

Sorry to disappoint you, but there are no reasons that free energy cannot exist. No reasons at all. It might exist, and nobody can prove otherwise.

However, there a million reasons that free energy doesn't exist. Every one of those reasons is an experiment where someone tried to find free energy and failed. If you look a million times for something and don't find it, will you bother to keep looking?

[adras]

Where do I send the bill for the brain cells trying to read that just cost me?

This is a great question. I love that one. Now, let me ask you, if there was somebody selling free energy, and you know all your friends already bought it, which brought you there, how much were you willing to pay?

It's up to you. I don't care. I'm not even finishes, why don't you give this topic half a year, see how it develops.

I just found something today, I would like to share it. I still have a hard time to understand it myself. Maybe it's nothing. I never promised anything. I just want to play with some ideas of mine. I mean, all in all, free energy doesn't exist. And I hate math .... Well ... maybe ... I just need to feed my idea into chat GPT. But then again, will you understand it, if I gave you a complex formula, based probably on a ton of assumptions? What is it that you want? You only get what you spend for

[Edit X] This post went through sudden modifications, this was the nTh and hopefully final one
[Edit X+1] quote author is acknoleweged incorrect

[Bud]

Save us time, just tell what company you represent or what product you are going to push.

[Bud]

@ Mods pls move this topic to Dodgy Technology.

[MK14]

 

[adras]

Save us time, just tell what company you represent or what product you are going to push.

Oh, that's obvious .... come over here, s ... my  dd ... and you will feel like you gained something. No .... just kidding ... It's something different to what you believe this time I'm not selling anything, there is no product, just a concept, a public concept, an understanding. That ... this ... just ... doesn't work!!!

But luckily, we haven't talked about the details yet

[adras]

@ Mods pls move this topic to Dodgy Technology.

Yes, please, I'm sorry, I got into the wrong place 

[Halcyon]

Moved. I still don't understand the point. Free energy nonsense has been debunked before. But hey, go for your life.

[adras]

And .... I'm discussing ... You see where this is getting at? It's a choice. Like i gave it to you. Do you rather want to discuss it, or do you want to get it explained? I have seen no one encouraging me in any way? So why would I?

I'm playing a game here. A deadly game, because if I'm wrong here, I'm totally destroyed. Or am I?

I never say I have free energy! All I said Is I would like to talk about something. Yet you people just get distracted.

[adras]

Moved. I still don't understand the point. Free energy nonsense has been debunked before. But hey, go for your life.

Sorry, to raise this personal question. I'm with you. It has been debunked before. But now, what? Should we ever keep existing in the world which results out of that? Is there really no other option? Burn oil, enjoy the day? Stop heating the soil and enjoy solar energy? stop the heat flow and start harvesting wind energy? I just .... don't want to know

[EEVblog]

And .... I'm discussing ... You see where this is getting at? It's a choice. Like i gave it to you. Do you rather want to discuss it, or do you want to get it explained? I have seen no one encouraging me in any way? So why would I?

No one owes you their attention.
Here's how forums work in case you didn't know:
You post stuff that interests you. If other people also find it interesting they will discuss it with you. If they find it ridiculous, they might laugh at you and troll you. If they don't care, they won't reply and you'll be left talking to yourself.

[adras]

And .... I'm discussing ... You see where this is getting at? It's a choice. Like i gave it to you. Do you rather want to discuss it, or do you want to get it explained? I have seen no one encouraging me in any way? So why would I?

No one owes you their attention.
Here's how forums work in case you didn't know:
You post stuff that interests you. If other people also find it interesting they will discuss it with you. If they find it ridiculous, they might laugh at you and troll you. If they don't care, they won't reply and you'll be left talking to yourself.

The idea was, that If I were encouraged in my thought, I could spend more time in filling out these reserved posts, instead of replying to others, discussing my ideas.

[Andy Chee]

Free energy is less about physics, and more about the fallibility of human psychology.  Anyone selling free energy is preying on human psychology.

Before seeking logical proof of free energy, I would suggest you read up on logical fallacies.

The idea was, that If I were encouraged in my thought, I could spend more time in filling out these reserved posts, instead of replying to others, discussing my ideas.

Be aware that your so-called "reserved" posts have a time limit i.e. you cannot edit old posts. 

I'm not sure what the time limit on editing old posts is.  EEVblog or another forum moderator will know.

[EEVblog]

Locked at request of OP.