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Title: Snake oil
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on February 16, 2012, 02:57:09 pm
Seeing that there are lot of snake oil like topics popping up everywhere on this forum, might as well start a dedicated thread on them for a good laugh.

UNLIMITED FREE ENERGY IDENTIFIED (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHAg25Ndk_k#)

... yet another video about pissing all over the laws of thermodynamics.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Balaur on February 16, 2012, 03:24:23 pm
I like this one:
link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyzFk3KV3rw#)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Jad.z on February 16, 2012, 05:03:45 pm
I like this one:
link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyzFk3KV3rw#)

I think I should get this guy, shove a motor's shaft up his ass, put a magnet in his hand and crank up the motor.
Now I connect a coil to a multimeter and hold the coil against him, while the motor is spinning the bullshit out of him.
Now thats what i call free electricity AT WORK.  ;D ;D ;D ;D  :P

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: PStevenson on February 16, 2012, 09:31:02 pm
Seeing that there are lot of snake oil like topics popping up everywhere on this forum, might as well start a dedicated thread on them for a good laugh.

UNLIMITED FREE ENERGY IDENTIFIED (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHAg25Ndk_k#)

... yet another video about pissing all over the laws of thermodynamics.

that guy has the most boring voice ever. some of his "unique" designs reminded me of the barbeque that Bubbles made in Trailer Park Boys... 20 seconds in
Bubbles' Barbecue Design (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXckvagNdRw#)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: damo on February 17, 2012, 12:59:16 am
Good grief. Don't get me started on snake oil ::)

I for one believe that most, if not all of these don't have a chance at working (leaning heavily towards the all). For any of them to work they would need to fulfill one of two criteria.

1. Be an open system where energy is entering the system from an external source. E.g. PV, Wind, etc.
2. Break the laws of thermodynamics. E.g. ... ... I have no examples of this ;D

If these systems really work, they would need to fit into the first criteria as it is accepted that the second one is a load of garbage (read BS). Therefore an inventor would need to explain where the external source of the energy comes from and I've heard it all folks. Everything from heat through to zipons (lol @ zipons). This external energy would need to be measurable is some way and a common excuse is that the energy is unmeasurable by conventional equipment (see cold electricity lol)

An invention that, IMO, has promise is currently being "marketed" by a convicted scammer by the name of Dennis Lee (surely everyone has heard of him). This one is probably the most well known of the snake oil, Google his name if you want a bit of a laugh. Some other unfortunates share his name, but you'll get the gist of it.

More food for thought... I read somewhere that Zero Point energy has been confirmed by NASA (or some other institute) as being real. Problem is that it is random and uniform in nature so extremely difficult, if not impossible to leverage.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'll get flamed, corrected and persecuted for this so go for it guys. ;D
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on February 17, 2012, 01:36:57 am
Yeah, the Casimir Effect has been known for over half a century. But to measure the effect just above the noise floor, you will need to separate capacitor like plates with nanometre precision. 
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: gregariz on February 17, 2012, 01:57:07 am
Good grief. Don't get me started on snake oil ::)

I for one believe that most, if not all of these don't have a chance at working (leaning heavily towards the all).

Rene Rivkin once said that 9/10 companies are formed with the sole purpose of conning investors out of their money... so you probably are pretty close to the truth.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: alm on February 18, 2012, 07:13:44 pm
More food for thought... I read somewhere that Zero Point energy has been confirmed by NASA (or some other institute) as being real. Problem is that it is random and uniform in nature so extremely difficult, if not impossible to leverage.
This would go against your second point, it would violate the second law of thermodynamics.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on February 18, 2012, 08:37:09 pm
Is it even possible to measure zero energy surely the act of measurement itself would put energy into the system. You also need to extract a finite amount of energy in order to measure the energy level.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: RCMR on February 19, 2012, 01:42:34 am
But wait... there's more...  Look what you can do with a jar of a suitably excitable gas in a microwave oven -- you can call it ball-lightning and get over-unity "quantum energy" out of it.

Honest   :o

QFE Ball Lightning Demo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhbEMyOAp0#)

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on February 19, 2012, 09:41:37 am
Bloody KGB! I did that twenty years ago.  I put a six inch florescent tube in my micro wave and turned it on at full power and watched the tube glow super bright.

Looks like Gorbachev brother as well. 
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: ejeffrey on February 19, 2012, 10:03:09 am
More food for thought... I read somewhere that Zero Point energy has been confirmed by NASA (or some other institute) as being real. Problem is that it is random and uniform in nature so extremely difficult, if not impossible to leverage.

Zero point energy is real, has been measured in many types of systems, and is not a source of free energy.  The  simple reason is that 'zero point' means that the lowest possible energy of a system is not zero.  Since there is no lower energy state, you can't extract the energy.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: damo on February 20, 2012, 12:30:25 am
More food for thought... I read somewhere that Zero Point energy has been confirmed by NASA (or some other institute) as being real. Problem is that it is random and uniform in nature so extremely difficult, if not impossible to leverage.

Zero point energy is real, has been measured in many types of systems, and is not a source of free energy.  The  simple reason is that 'zero point' means that the lowest possible energy of a system is not zero.  Since there is no lower energy state, you can't extract the energy.
Yes, but the snake oil sales people would have us believe you can
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: IanB on February 20, 2012, 01:32:13 am
I like this one:

Hey, this guy has credibility. He is using Fluke meters! How can you disbelieve?  :)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: PeterG on February 22, 2012, 06:16:09 am
Yet another 'Secret', 'Free Energy' scam.

http://www.hojomotor.com/ (http://www.hojomotor.com/)

Regards
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on February 22, 2012, 07:03:05 am
Wow, they don't even shy away from the term "perpetual motion".
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: MarkS on February 24, 2012, 12:26:00 am
A word of caution for anyone that likes the recommended videos on your YouTube page...

DON'T click on the videos in this thread! I am now inundated with free energy crap! YouTube doesn't provide a way to tell it that you are not interested in the recommended video, so it can take months to clear up. I once clicked on a greeting card making video because the thumbnail deceptively looked rather technical and interesting and the title was ambiguous. YouTube thought making greeting cards was a hobby of mine for over a year! ??? It didn't help that the greeting card hobbyists cannot adequately title a video. Must have clicked on a dozen more after that one by mistake.  >:(
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: RCMR on February 24, 2012, 03:58:01 am
A word of caution for anyone that likes the recommended videos on your YouTube page...

DON'T click on the videos in this thread! I am now inundated with free energy crap! YouTube doesn't provide a way to tell it that you are not interested in the recommended video, so it can take months to clear up.
Come on -- you do know you can ignore YouTube's recommendations don't you?

It's not compulsory to watch a video just because YouTube (erroneously) thinks it's something you might be interested in.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: MarkS on February 24, 2012, 04:55:35 am
Come on -- you do know you can ignore YouTube's recommendations don't you?

It's not compulsory to watch a video just because YouTube (erroneously) thinks it's something you might be interested in.


Oh I know. I use YouTube to find videos that fit my interests. As such, the recommended videos typically line up with things that I want to watch. I can ignore the crap, but it is still annoying.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on February 24, 2012, 08:33:18 am
After inexplicably getting flooded with girly make-up and shopping recommendation videos, I practically stopped paying attention to them.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: electrode on February 24, 2012, 09:46:50 pm
I just stumbled upon the www.hojomotor.com (http://www.hojomotor.com) site that PeterG mentioned; got there from a sidebar ad. Amazing:
Quote from: Fake Shill
“I have been trying to build a “free energy” zero point generator for years and finally your guide taught me how! It took me 3 afternoons to build mine.You guys are going to change the world with this.”

Oh I know. I use YouTube to find videos that fit my interests. As such, the recommended videos typically line up with things that I want to watch. I can ignore the crap, but it is still annoying.

Go to your video history in youtube and delete the rubbish you've been watching. Maybe that will remove the relevant video suggestions too?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Simon on February 24, 2012, 10:18:50 pm
Yet another 'Secret', 'Free Energy' scam.

http://www.hojomotor.com/ (http://www.hojomotor.com/)

Regards

I watched one similar that went on and on about making panels, swear it was made by the same lot, I just got well fed up as much as I wanted to whatch it all.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Tube_Dude on February 25, 2012, 01:36:21 am
Anyone talk about "snake oil"...   8)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SgtRock on February 25, 2012, 02:32:24 am
Greetings EEVBees:

--I think Rodrigues is one of the funniest men who ever lived. He was lampooning electronic snake oil and audiophoolery from the beginning. As I find more good ones on the subject, I will post them here.

(http://community.klipsch.com/forums/storage/4/1237745/Rodrigues%20-%20market%20quotes.jpg)

(http://community.klipsch.com/forums/storage/4/1240627/Rodrigues%20-%20accessories.jpg)

"Three weeks in the lab will save you a day in the library every time"
R. Stanley Williams 1951 -

Best Regards
Clear Ether
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: RJSC on February 26, 2012, 02:46:11 pm
I like this one:

Hey, this guy has credibility. He is using Fluke meters! How can you disbelieve?  :)

+1

Yeah...
He's using Flukes, he means business! If he was using a cheap meter, nah... its just some cheap scammer...

 ;D
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on February 29, 2012, 10:23:13 pm
Here is a good one. How to double your internet speed by doubling up your cat5 cable, I wonder how many fall for it.
http://youtu.be/lG5cEik2ABY (http://youtu.be/lG5cEik2ABY)


Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: damo on March 08, 2012, 03:04:35 am
Here is a good one. How to double your internet speed by doubling up your cat5 cable, I wonder how many fall for it.
http://youtu.be/lG5cEik2ABY (http://youtu.be/lG5cEik2ABY)
LOL! This guy has no idea how data is really transmitted over the internet. I don't think I can count the number of errors in that video and I can count to over 1000 on 2 hands.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: electrode on March 08, 2012, 05:43:22 am
Here is a good one. How to double your internet speed by doubling up your cat5 cable, I wonder how many fall for it.
http://youtu.be/lG5cEik2ABY (http://youtu.be/lG5cEik2ABY)
LOL! This guy has no idea how data is really transmitted over the internet. I don't think I can count the number of errors in that video and I can count to over 1000 on 2 hands.

Try reading the video description.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: damo on March 08, 2012, 05:48:35 am
Here is a good one. How to double your internet speed by doubling up your cat5 cable, I wonder how many fall for it.
http://youtu.be/lG5cEik2ABY (http://youtu.be/lG5cEik2ABY)
LOL! This guy has no idea how data is really transmitted over the internet. I don't think I can count the number of errors in that video and I can count to over 1000 on 2 hands.

Try reading the video description.
*penny drops* Okay, got me  ;D
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: electrode on March 08, 2012, 05:53:41 am
Hahah. Yeah, sometimes it really is too stupid to be serious. :D
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: skysurf76 on March 23, 2012, 08:34:03 pm
Some how came across this while stumbling around the internet.  Very entertaining for the educated. :)

http://www.johnsonmotor.org/rw/index.php (http://www.johnsonmotor.org/rw/index.php)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Simon on March 23, 2012, 08:40:25 pm
yea same voice and website format of many other similar scams, claiming to be fighting the evil powers at be to bring simple stuff to joe public that cannot possibly exist. lots of promises goes on and on without actually any clue of how long the presentation is.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: skysurf76 on March 23, 2012, 08:48:28 pm
I kept poking around some more because I had some time to kill and found this...

HOWARD JOHNSON Perpetual Motion Machine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nmfIzZiasM#ws)


There are really only two possibilities.  Number one is that they actually believe what they are saying which is the scariest option.  Number two is that they know they are flat out committing fraud.

Unbelievable.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Simon on March 23, 2012, 09:18:29 pm
fraudsters big time. they don't actually say much except bull and he says that the kit is for experimentation with this sort of energy he does not say you can do anything with it so he has got himself out of the shit legally
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: mariush on March 24, 2012, 07:41:12 am
With so much wire in those coils I wouldn't be surprised if that thing "catches" some AM or other radio energy and converts it to some very low power, yet just enough to spin the wheel.  I doubt that thing has some significant torque. I see some magnets on both sides and the wheel may also have some metal or wire in it...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Simon on March 24, 2012, 07:43:02 am
I doubt that thing has some significant torque.

there is nothing in it to have any torque (driving power) it is just a fancy looking thing that can be used for experimenting but by the time they had finished drooling over it people may think it is a complete item
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: MrOmigoodness on March 28, 2012, 10:40:19 pm
I kept poking around some more because I had some time to kill and found this...

HOWARD JOHNSON Perpetual Motion Machine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nmfIzZiasM#ws)


There are really only two possibilities.  Number one is that they actually believe what they are saying which is the scariest option.  Number two is that they know they are flat out committing fraud.

Unbelievable.
240p! My eeeyyyyyeeeessssss!!!!  :-[
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Greg323i on March 29, 2012, 06:15:03 am
In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Frangible on April 01, 2012, 12:33:50 am
In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!!
Which are, as my physics professor used to say:

1. You can't win
2. You can't even break even.
3. You can't get out of the game.

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Jad.z on April 01, 2012, 01:25:27 pm
240p! My eeeyyyyyeeeessssss!!!!  :-[

When I wazz a boooyy........
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on April 01, 2012, 04:25:48 pm
These people seem to either think that the back emf spikes that they are getting from a somewhat inefficient motor is free power flowing out of their machine or that is what they would otherwise like to persuade others into believing. I have now watched quite a few of these videos and the back emf spike is what all the ones using scopes are very keen on showing.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on April 04, 2012, 12:44:39 pm
Not exactly tech/engineering related, but fits the snake oil thread perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6rUU0K9xE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6rUU0K9xE)

...it's painful...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: PeterG on April 04, 2012, 01:41:01 pm
Not exactly tech/engineering related, but fits the snake oil thread perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6rUU0K9xE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6rUU0K9xE)

...it's painful...

It is a clear abuse of physics.


Regards
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Jad.z on April 04, 2012, 01:55:18 pm
AntiProtonBoy, I liked your comment over there  :)


My favorite part "God in his infinite wisdom send him another Einstein called Stephen Hawking."  ;D ;D ;D
So god sent Hahnemann, who died in 1843, another Einstein, born in 1879, called Stephen Hawking (born in 1942).  ???
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: MBY on April 06, 2012, 03:36:21 pm
Here in Sweden we have a real quack audiophile shop: http://www.svalander.se (http://www.svalander.se)

It selling all the usual stuff like audio cables for 20 000 SEK/m (about $3000/meter), "spikes", "CD demagnetization equipment" and all other audio snake oil you can think of. Much "quantum" and "flux" BS and even some sort of "philosophy" page with excuses why scientific methods such as randomized and placebo controlled studies, A/B-testing, etc does not apply to audio. A real quack.

But to be clear: I haven't surfed the page in a while, so maybe Mr Svalander has come to his senses, but my guess is no.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Sionyn on April 07, 2012, 09:06:20 pm
any one remember this stupid fad still see the occasional idiot using them
Power Balance Bracelets on Today Tonight 22/12/2009. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd0Gb9EgkHA#)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: PeterG on April 07, 2012, 11:25:49 pm
Yep, i remember seeing that on TT. And still see people around here in Sydney with them from time to time. ;D

Regards
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: electrode on April 07, 2012, 11:49:27 pm
Oh god I hate the world.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on April 07, 2012, 11:58:52 pm
Oh god I hate Today Tonight.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: PeterG on April 08, 2012, 12:14:01 am
I tend to dislike both TT and ACA, they seem to copy each other and rerun old events to fill in time.

Regards
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: PeterG on April 08, 2012, 12:15:17 am
I say they should bring back the likes of Hinch..... :)

Regards
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: voidptr on April 10, 2012, 08:56:47 am

lol
free energy stuff  prepetual motion ! nice scam !

the kit is nice tho !
nice thick plastic, big aluminium flyweel .
you can probably use it easily to build some multipoles synchronous motors.
maybe they can send me one for my test  ;P
 



I kept poking around some more because I had some time to kill and found this...

HOWARD JOHNSON Perpetual Motion Machine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nmfIzZiasM#ws)


There are really only two possibilities.  Number one is that they actually believe what they are saying which is the scariest option.  Number two is that they know they are flat out committing fraud.

Unbelievable.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Sionyn on April 24, 2012, 05:23:01 pm
this is doing rounds again through infomercial claiming to reduce lime scale in your water systems through magnetic induction
Scale Wizard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCmMGWbzsyI#ws)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: jhalar on April 29, 2012, 04:32:13 am
I saw this on the australian ebay site, sold by a UK seller.

It's a device you add to your car that is supposed to increase the bhp of your engine.
I lauged when I saw it, first thing I thought of was "magic snake oil".

Two wires only needed to connect the IC. Hmmm, that takes care of the power supply, where are the other leads?

Enjoy.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TUNING-CHIP-Volvo-C70-S40-S60-S80-V40-V50-V70-T5-/260956222035?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cc233f253 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TUNING-CHIP-Volvo-C70-S40-S60-S80-V40-V50-V70-T5-/260956222035?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cc233f253)

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: voidptr on May 01, 2012, 04:23:12 am
I saw this on the australian ebay site, sold by a UK seller.

It's a device you add to your car that is supposed to increase the bhp of your engine.
I lauged when I saw it, first thing I thought of was "magic snake oil".

Two wires only needed to connect the IC. Hmmm, that takes care of the power supply, where are the other leads?

Enjoy.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TUNING-CHIP-Volvo-C70-S40-S60-S80-V40-V50-V70-T5-/260956222035?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cc233f253 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TUNING-CHIP-Volvo-C70-S40-S60-S80-V40-V50-V70-T5-/260956222035?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cc233f253)

maybe resistor in dip package ?  pretty hight tech for that price :o)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on May 01, 2012, 07:20:22 am
I saw this on the australian ebay site, sold by a UK seller.

It's a device you add to your car that is supposed to increase the bhp of your engine.
I lauged when I saw it, first thing I thought of was "magic snake oil".

Two wires only needed to connect the IC. Hmmm, that takes care of the power supply, where are the other leads?

Enjoy.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TUNING-CHIP-Volvo-C70-S40-S60-S80-V40-V50-V70-T5-/260956222035?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cc233f253 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TUNING-CHIP-Volvo-C70-S40-S60-S80-V40-V50-V70-T5-/260956222035?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cc233f253)


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Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on May 04, 2012, 08:49:09 pm
Chipping is not new, but you normally have to replace or reprogram a chip in the engine control, that looks like a con any old chip on a piece of vero. There are lot of the scale prevention devices on sale here in the UK some are nothing more than magnets tied onto the pipes with cable ties, they are also sold to go round the fuel lines in your car. Bio flo are the market leaders, if you can call it that, they sell magnets to cure every thing from colds to global warming. 

 http://www.magnetsforall.com/site/1346576/page/45029?gclid=CLiy-Pi_568CFRQrfAodFBgVLA (http://www.magnetsforall.com/site/1346576/page/45029?gclid=CLiy-Pi_568CFRQrfAodFBgVLA)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Monkeh on May 04, 2012, 08:53:51 pm
I saw this on the australian ebay site, sold by a UK seller.

It's a device you add to your car that is supposed to increase the bhp of your engine.
I lauged when I saw it, first thing I thought of was "magic snake oil".

Two wires only needed to connect the IC. Hmmm, that takes care of the power supply, where are the other leads?

Enjoy.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TUNING-CHIP-Volvo-C70-S40-S60-S80-V40-V50-V70-T5-/260956222035?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cc233f253 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TUNING-CHIP-Volvo-C70-S40-S60-S80-V40-V50-V70-T5-/260956222035?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cc233f253)

maybe resistor in dip package ?  pretty hight tech for that price :o)

I'm willing to bet there's just a resistor tucked away in there.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: electrode on May 04, 2012, 09:36:41 pm
My friend bought one of those a few years ago. It ended up being just a resistor. Needless to say, he decided not to put it in his car, heh.

Wheels magazine in Australia used to (at least when I last read it, 7+ years ago) advertise a speed chip, which was a completely different thing, costing about $2000.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: firewalker on May 14, 2012, 10:17:59 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Gi2HA.jpg)

Alexander.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on May 15, 2012, 07:30:49 am
So if we see rows of pylons missing insulators we will know where to look for them.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: gxti on May 15, 2012, 03:12:25 pm
No, used high-voltage insulators would hurt the sound tremendously because they've been harmonically distressed by the 60Hz magnetic field. Only new, cryogenically treated ceramics are suitable for this application.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Excavatoree on May 15, 2012, 06:13:10 pm
These need to be sold with directional arrows.  Yes, when new it doesn't matter, but after they are run for a few hours, it is important not to have the cable cross the "wrong way."  Worse still, mixing them up so some are "correct" and some aren't.   Use a cryogenicly treated Sharpie to draw an arrow to avoid this problem.  (unless you want to spend 99.95 for my special "single crystal, oxygen free" ink dispensing pen. (That looks remarkably like a Sharpie with a label pasted over it.......)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Parsley on May 24, 2012, 09:05:29 am
For the german people reading this thread:

http://www.nucleostop.de/ (http://www.nucleostop.de/)

It claims to be able to detect current which is generated from an atom power plant...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: PeterG on May 24, 2012, 09:26:33 am
For the german people reading this thread:

http://www.nucleostop.de/ (http://www.nucleostop.de/)

It claims to be able to detect current which is generated from an atom power plant...

And soon they will have a portable detector for GM foods.

Regards
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: JoannaK on May 26, 2012, 08:47:21 am
For the german people reading this thread:

http://www.nucleostop.de/ (http://www.nucleostop.de/)

It claims to be able to detect current which is generated from an atom power plant...

And soon they will have a portable detector for GM foods.

Regards

Hmm.. Now that you mentioned it..  ;D
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: hitachi8 on May 28, 2012, 02:52:36 pm
haha, remembered me of those fuel saver thing that you plug into your cigar lighter in your car.
they are actually just two cap on the jack and a resistor-led.

**EDIT: IMAGE REMOVED BY ADMIN BECAUSE IT TRIGGERS MALWARE VIRUS WARNINGS**

sorry that the image is watermarked, i didn't mean to advertise.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: M. András on May 28, 2012, 05:46:47 pm
few weeks ago at morning was watching the tv while made some sandwiches for work, there was a dude talking about his invention which saves fuel in the car by simply inserting it to the fuel tube the thing looks like an aluminium tube with a quick connect, fuel connector and about a size of a regular fuel filter. i cant find the pics from it cos i dont remember its name or the dude's name but claimed to save up to 10-20% fuel.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on May 29, 2012, 05:17:03 pm
If you fitted all the gizmos that claim to save 20% fuel to your car you would be in the oil business, with petrol pouring out of the exhaust. The car manufacturers would also be fitting some of these devises by now  if the worked, crackpots have been selling this sort of thing almost from the time the first cars appeared on the roads.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Satchmoeddie on June 04, 2012, 09:49:15 pm
Isn't the ambient temperature of the universe somewhere around 3 degrees Kelvin? If our atmosphere was in outer space it would dissipate into the vacuum, and would be a gas. If it were absolute zero K it would not be a gas. I love the flawed elementary school physics these guys come up with. I will say they are no worse than oil, and public utility companies for touting bullshit, and are maybe not as bad when it comes to actually doing stupid things.  I did some minor consulting for power generating stations in the USA. several acres of land was cleared to put a solar generating station by Blythe so the power can be sent to Los Angeles. This is so F'ing moronic it hurts. Forgive my hippie attitude toward 1500 year old desert ironwood trees, but are residential rooftops and commercial parking lots so scenic, and picturesque that we do not want to cover those with photo-voltaic panels? You also have less loss of energy by not running through 350 extra miles of transmission lines. The utility companies will keep building power plants so they can keep selling the electricity. Heaven forbid anyone should ever get off the grid, let alone let them become a producing part of it. Remember the old Laws of Conservation of Energy and Conservation of Matter. I guess "time equals money" Benjamin Franklin, and "there is a sucker born every minute", P.T. Barnum should go with them, when these free energy weirdos start hitting youtube. At least the free energy freaks pay for their own experimentation and whack projects. Arizona Public Service sends me a monthly bill to help fund their idiocy.  No one can film their failed, and abandoned  "green energy" projects without permission, or I have some neat posts on YT.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on June 07, 2012, 03:53:14 pm
I got sent this today, Cure all disease with an electric pulse?, if the device even gives an output?. I would love to see some proper research data on this but I expect that there is not any done.

http://www.losethebackpain.com/reports/ElectroCleanseReport.pdf (http://www.losethebackpain.com/reports/ElectroCleanseReport.pdf)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: M. András on June 07, 2012, 04:04:57 pm
I got sent this today, Cure all disease with an electric pulse?, if the device even gives an output?. I would love to see some proper research data on this but I expect that there is not any done.

http://www.losethebackpain.com/reports/ElectroCleanseReport.pdf (http://www.losethebackpain.com/reports/ElectroCleanseReport.pdf)
looks like a simple toy
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on June 07, 2012, 04:55:23 pm
From the very first title page:
Quote
The Unsuspected Real Cause of Chronic Pain
and How You Can Get the
FDA Unapproved 7-minute Pain Cure
That should ring alarm bells, without even looking at the rest of the contents! hahah.

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: WorldPowerLabs on June 07, 2012, 05:07:22 pm
From the very first title page:
Quote
The Unsuspected Real Cause of Chronic Pain
and How You Can Get the
FDA Unapproved 7-minute Pain Cure
That should ring alarm bells, without even looking at the rest of the contents! hahah.

I do believe that there is merit to *some* types of unconventional electrotherapy for certain medical conditions.  I do think that Rife's research is promising, and it has been clinically proven that a minute DC current will stimulate bone growth in humans (I have a background in medical device design).

HOWEVER... "FDA Unapproved ... cure"?  What moron wrote that line?  Some folks are a little more careful and sell these things as "plant growth stimulators."  No FDA approval needed for plants!  (Not that I'm endorsing these particular products as being legit).
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: alm on June 07, 2012, 06:46:47 pm
I do believe that there is merit to *some* types of unconventional electrotherapy for certain medical conditions.  I do think that Rife's research is promising, and it has been clinically proven that a minute DC current will stimulate bone growth in humans (I have a background in medical device design).
I'm not going to exclude the possibility that electric current might have some positive effect, but to claim that it has been clinically proven is not very scientific. Some studies have shown a benefit, others have shown no significant benefit. To conclude from weak and conflicting evidence that 'it's been clinically proven that it will help' is not very accurate.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: WorldPowerLabs on June 07, 2012, 07:17:21 pm
I do believe that there is merit to *some* types of unconventional electrotherapy for certain medical conditions.  I do think that Rife's research is promising, and it has been clinically proven that a minute DC current will stimulate bone growth in humans (I have a background in medical device design).
I'm not going to exclude the possibility that electric current might have some positive effect, but to claim that it has been clinically proven is not very scientific. Some studies have shown a benefit, others have shown no significant benefit. To conclude from weak and conflicting evidence that 'it's been clinically proven that it will help' is not very accurate.

More information here:  http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/300_399/0343.html (http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/300_399/0343.html)
(Scroll down to "Electrical Stimulation for Nonunion" heading).  An excerpt:  "Available evidence suggests that each of these systems [implanted / capacitive] gives comparable success rates of 80 to 90 percent in properly selected patients.  There are no known side effects to treatment with electrical stimulation.... In 1979, the FDA approved [= safe and effective, emphasis mine] electrical stimulation therapy devices for treatment of nonunion, congenital pseudarthrosis, and failed fusion.  A number of prospective studies, including controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated the effectiveness of electrical stimulation in nonunions of long bones... Electrical stimulation therapy has not, however, been adequately evaluated for treatment of nonunions of the flat bones, such as the pelvis, scapula, and skull.  Nor has electrical stimulation therapy been well evaluated for treatment of fractures of the ribs or sternum."

As a side note (and unrelated to DC current), I used to work for Exogen on the refinement of the ultrasound fracture-healing systems mentioned in that article.  These absolutely work... patented and proven over several decades on humans and animals.  I have no connection with, or financial interest in, this particular company anymore -- this is just for information.
 
Now, I'm not claiming that the BS product mentioned in the original link is anything other than a scam.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on June 07, 2012, 08:07:28 pm
What about the claim or inferred claim  that it cures infections of parasites etc the power requirement to stun worms would be painful if not harmful to humans.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: WorldPowerLabs on June 07, 2012, 08:30:32 pm
What about the claim or inferred claim  that it cures infections of parasites etc the power requirement to stun worms would be painful if not harmful to humans.

Yes, I don't see any legitimate mechanism by which that advertised device could do what it claims...

My comments are only intended to illustrate that electricity does have a certain place in medicine, and that certain types of treatments are in fact considered safe and effective... but there is certainly plenty of BS, too -- probably 95% BS and 5% legit...

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: voidptr on June 09, 2012, 12:42:12 am
I do believe that there is merit to *some* types of unconventional electrotherapy for certain medical conditions.  I do think that Rife's research is promising, and it has been clinically proven that a minute DC current will stimulate bone growth in humans (I have a background in medical device design).
I'm not going to exclude the possibility that electric current might have some positive effect, but to claim that it has been clinically proven is not very scientific. Some studies have shown a benefit, others have shown no significant benefit. To conclude from weak and conflicting evidence that 'it's been clinically proven that it will help' is not very accurate.

i did received electric shocks few years ago, not on my brain tho  :o) 
but on my ankle and muscle torn over ...  it helps a bit , i think...., it stimulates muscles so they can restart working better ... i think this is common practice since many years .... 

but  wait !  if i believed that document,  they can kill all kind of diseases ... cancer , bugs, worms, bacteries ...

cool ! i just order myself a waveform generator, im pretty sure i will tests all sort of waveform !  it doesn't have a frequency sweep with a square wave tho,  only freq sweep of the evil sinwave (read the doc),     but this isn t that hard to build one tho  ...
and at some point the device can kill bugs in hardware too if you crank up the clock until your design fail, might need in MHz tho :oP

beware, even if it is cool to kill all your diseases on you, it might kill you if you short your heart ... :-/

 
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SgtRock on June 12, 2012, 10:50:48 am
Greetings EEVBees:

--Check this one out. As I understand it the possible sums involved are not chicken feed.

http://vimeo.com/climaterealityproject/climate101 (http://vimeo.com/climaterealityproject/climate101)

--A point by point refutation can be viewed here:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/gore-and-bill-nye-fail-at-doing-a-simple-co2-experiment/ (http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/gore-and-bill-nye-fail-at-doing-a-simple-co2-experiment/)

--Some of you are engineers. Leaving the greater issue of AGW aside for the moment. What do you think about the Scientific Rigor of this experiment.

“Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people."
W. C. Fields (William Claude Dunkenfield) 1880 - 1946

Best Regards
Clear Ether
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on June 12, 2012, 03:56:39 pm
Greetings EEVBees:

--Check this one out. As I understand it the possible sums involved are not chicken feed.

http://vimeo.com/climaterealityproject/climate101 (http://vimeo.com/climaterealityproject/climate101)

--A point by point refutation can be viewed here:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/gore-and-bill-nye-fail-at-doing-a-simple-co2-experiment/ (http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/gore-and-bill-nye-fail-at-doing-a-simple-co2-experiment/)

--Some of you are engineers. Leaving the greater issue of AGW aside for the moment. What do you think about the Scientific Rigor of this experiment.
I think the first video was demonstrating the experiment rather poorly. The refutation seems a bit iffy too.

I see problems with the experiment setup in both links. The first flaw is the placement of the thermometers, they should be not directly exposed to infrared radiation. They should be completely shielded with reflective foil and only measure the ambient temperature in a shadow.

However, the biggest problem is the inadequate number of trials. You'd have to perform a great number of experiments, and before each trial one must swap jars, heat lamps and thermometers in statistically random fashion.

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on June 12, 2012, 06:21:31 pm
For whatever reason climate change is a reality and it will adversely erect every one on this planet. These stupid people trying to deny the problem by picking holes in films which are trying to highlight the problem to the "ignorant masses" and which in order to do so have to use visuals that do not stand up to proper scientific scrutiny are doing no one any favors. Whether the climate change is entirely due to human activity or only partially we ought to be trying to do something to mitigate it and its effects. If the water is rising high in the levy you dont just turn the taps on in order to fill it more you try to get the water out and also raise its height, likewise we should be trying to do something about climate change as well.   
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SgtRock on June 12, 2012, 06:36:32 pm
Dear G7PSK:

--Would you please cite some scientific proof for your claim?

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
Carl Sagan 1934-1996

Best Regards
Clear Ether
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: PeterG on June 12, 2012, 06:51:14 pm
For whatever reason climate change is a reality and it will adversely erect every one on this planet. These stupid people trying to deny the problem by picking holes in films which are trying to highlight the problem to the "ignorant masses" and which in order to do so have to use visuals that do not stand up to proper scientific scrutiny are doing no one any favors. Whether the climate change is entirely due to human activity or only partially we ought to be trying to do something to mitigate it and its effects. If the water is rising high in the levy you dont just turn the taps on in order to fill it more you try to get the water out and also raise its height, likewise we should be trying to do something about climate change as well.

Agreed
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SgtRock on June 13, 2012, 06:18:09 pm
Greetings EEVBees:

--More of the usual from the "smart people" who are not part of the "ignorant masses". At first is was the old snake oil huckster himself "Al Gore" making millions from the snake oil of carbon credits, now it is Sudan, Iran, North Korea. Duh, I know, let's take more money out of the private economy and give it to government to prevent AGW. Remember, real proof is just for stupid people and the ignorant masses.

http://freebeacon.com/carbon-corruption/ (http://freebeacon.com/carbon-corruption/)

“World consumption of oil is still going up. If it were possible to keep it rising during the 1970s and 1980s by 5 percent a year as it has in the past, we could use up all the proven reserves of oil in the entire world by the end of the next decade.”
James Earl Carter 1924 -

Best Regards
Clear Ether
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on June 14, 2012, 05:23:29 pm
The United Nations gives money to many corrupt states not just the oil producing states and wherever there is a trade in a commodity you will always find corruption, that is not proof that there is not a problem of global warming.
There is one aspect of burning fossil fuels that is not taken into account and to my mind should be,oxygen levels, produce more CO2 and you lower the oxygen in the atmosphere, it is already at lower levels than it used to be at some point it will get to such a low level that it will make life difficult for air breathing animals that is already the case for some marine life and as CO2 is heavier than air and oxygen it will pool exacerbating the problem. The present and past high oxygen levels were the result of blue green algae which is no longer around in the quantities required to sustain oxygen levels.The oceans are already polluted such that if the CO" levels rose sufficiently to support the algae at the levels it was in past history it is not like to flourish and any way by that time the oxygen level in the atmosphere will be too low to support mammalian life (that's us folks). Also you would not like it if people dumped their garbage in you back yard so why accept them dumping it into your sky. 
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: T4P on June 14, 2012, 05:55:54 pm
The United Nations gives money to many corrupt states not just the oil producing states and wherever there is a trade in a commodity you will always find corruption, that is not proof that there is not a problem of global warming.
The UN?
Within striking distance from Ground Zero sits a smoldering international cauldron
The United "Abominations" as it were
Forged to prevent wars and froze in the face of disaster
And stood silent while terrorization took hostage of the world
In a mire of hypocrisy, the UN ignored sex crimes by its blue helmets
And enables terrorism, so, in the end, it's failed
And the UN is where our so-called friends get to stab us in the back
And we pay twenty-two percent of their tab to host our enemies here at home
Ambassadors from countries otherwise known as a catastrophe
Enjoy diplomatic immunity living in Manhattan
While their children are turned into prostitutes
It's a complete and utter disgrace, a blot on the face of humanity
And they get away with it ?!

NATO invaded Yugoslavia to end ethnic cleansing, there was no U.N.
The U.S. invaded Afghanistan after 9/11, there was no U.N.
Saddam Hussein violated seventeen U.N. resolutions
The U.N. was asked to join the war in Iraq
The U.S. invaded, there was no U.N.
Libya bombed a discotheque in Berlin killing Americans, there was no U.N.
And Iran funds Hamas and attacked the U.S. in the seventies, there was no U.N.
Facing war without end, looking into the future, there was no more U.N.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SgtRock on June 14, 2012, 08:01:13 pm
Dear G7PSK:

--I assume when you mention the decline of the cyanobacteria, you are referring to the paper in Nature, by Scientists at Dalhousie University, which discussed the decline in the upper layers of the oceans. Presently this decline is thought to result from stratification and a lack of nutrition in the top layer, which is not generally the depth at which these bacteria are densest. This nutrition shortage is exacerbated by increased temperature in the upper layer, and not do to pollution of the water.

--Also, there are some possible problems with the methodology of the study, I.E. using a Secci disk instead of satellite data. See the below link for an article which does not refute the study but does point out some important caveats.

http://climatide.wgbh.org/2011/01/phytoplankton-in-decline-maybe-not/ (http://climatide.wgbh.org/2011/01/phytoplankton-in-decline-maybe-not/)

"Ohman concludes that “closer scrutiny … fails to support [the] conclusion of a significant global phytoplankton decline,” that phytoplankton levels are doing different things in different parts of the ocean for different reasons."

--I do not believe it is time to double power bills for working families just yet.

"Don't believe a word I say, check, Do not trust the opinions of Scientists, trust the data"
Christopher Monckton 1952 -

Best Regards
Clear Ether
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on June 14, 2012, 08:39:24 pm
I am referring to the fact that at one time the world had a reducing atmosphere which was converted to an oxidizing one during the protezoic era  by a type of cyanobacteria that can now only be found in a few places along the coast of Australia the modern varieties that are far more common are not so efficient at conversion.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SgtRock on June 15, 2012, 07:26:00 pm
Greetings EEVBees:

--Al Gore moves Carbon Credit money from one pocket to the other. See below link

http://digitaljournal.com/article/251232 (http://digitaljournal.com/article/251232)

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
Al Gore 1948 -

Best Regards
Clear Ether
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on June 15, 2012, 09:14:15 pm
It is people like Al Gore hijacking the global warming issue that fans the flames of the skeptics and discredits those who actually want to do something about the problem.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: gxti on June 15, 2012, 10:09:24 pm
Could you have this discussion somewhere else?  This was a rather delightful thread about shoddy products and scumbag advertising but now you've gone and turned into a boring argument about politics.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: gxti on June 16, 2012, 12:32:12 am
Ran across this while shopping for a new DAC: http://www.goodwinshighend.com/music_servers/SOtM/SOtM_In-Line_SATA_Power_Noise_Filter.htm (http://www.goodwinshighend.com/music_servers/SOtM/SOtM_In-Line_SATA_Power_Noise_Filter.htm)

(http://www.goodwinshighend.com/music_servers/SOtM/SOtM_I1.jpg)

It's not accompanied by the usual grab-bag of nonsense about what a tremendous positive impact it had on the sound, so I have to wonder if their heart is really in it. Retails for 65 USD. They also have a USB host card that looks like a stock design with a few dozen oversized capacitors (300 USD) and a friggin' power filter for fans (25 USD). "Must have", indeed.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: M. András on June 16, 2012, 08:07:59 pm
Ran across this while shopping for a new DAC: http://www.goodwinshighend.com/music_servers/SOtM/SOtM_In-Line_SATA_Power_Noise_Filter.htm (http://www.goodwinshighend.com/music_servers/SOtM/SOtM_In-Line_SATA_Power_Noise_Filter.htm)

(http://www.goodwinshighend.com/music_servers/SOtM/SOtM_I1.jpg)

It's not accompanied by the usual grab-bag of nonsense about what a tremendous positive impact it had on the sound, so I have to wonder if their heart is really in it. Retails for 65 USD. They also have a USB host card that looks like a stock design with a few dozen oversized capacitors (300 USD) and a friggin' power filter for fans (25 USD). "Must have", indeed.
the drives already have sufficient filtering in their power converters right? anyway a better quality psu would never need such a nonsense thing. and those who buys a 10 bucks worh 1kw psu for their pc deserves their faith :)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Jad.z on June 27, 2012, 09:31:19 pm
http://www.power4home.com/MakeElectricity.php


What a lovely novel ;D
He should really get into the writing business....Seriously!!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: RCMR on July 08, 2012, 08:13:48 am
Here's a guy who clearly knows a few buzzwords -- but also, just as clearly, has little idea what they mean.

If you've got 10 minutes of your life to throw away -- watch this video about the future of energy.

Hydrogen News (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKjJ1M8lrRI#ws)

His other videos are also a bit of a crack-up, albeit somewhat repetitive.

I find it hard to believe that people have actually given this guy money.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: digsys on July 08, 2012, 11:49:21 am
Quote
Here's a guy who clearly knows a few buzzwords -- but also, just as clearly, has little idea what they mean.
I find it hard to believe that people have actually given this guy money.
Holly Batsh*t !! What a load of KAKA. It's probably TOO late to stop the spread of his DNA !!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Bored@Work on July 08, 2012, 01:12:44 pm
Here's a guy who clearly knows a few buzzwords -- but also, just as clearly, has little idea what they mean.

He got one thing right, the bottled water called "naive" when spelled correctly http://www.evian.com/ (http://www.evian.com/) The rest? Bah.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Time on July 25, 2012, 07:31:52 pm
http://gizmodo.com/5928934/is-there-anyone-stupid-enough-to-believe-that-this-cable-has-anti+virus-protection (http://gizmodo.com/5928934/is-there-anyone-stupid-enough-to-believe-that-this-cable-has-anti+virus-protection)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SeanB on July 25, 2012, 08:02:10 pm
I do have some cables with that ability, as I have cut the plug off the one end..........
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on August 05, 2012, 02:12:20 pm
LOL.

I haven't laughed so hard since watching this:

http://beijingcream.com/2012/06/chinese-news-team-reports-on-rare-lingzhi-mushroom-which-is-actually-a-rubber-vagina/ (http://beijingcream.com/2012/06/chinese-news-team-reports-on-rare-lingzhi-mushroom-which-is-actually-a-rubber-vagina/)
Pissing myself laughing.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Sionyn on August 11, 2012, 04:17:10 pm
anti snoring ring lulz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJORc2bAEKY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJORc2bAEKY)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Sionyn on August 13, 2012, 09:42:39 pm
daveland sorts a electronic immigrant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vkW8VYj6NA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vkW8VYj6NA)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: maiakaat on August 16, 2012, 02:15:05 pm
I guess there is a lot of energy tapped up in matter so as to give the impression that energy is free, but allowing energy without violating the laws of thermodynamics, but this energy isn't going to be electromagnetic energy, and is not going to be accessible with some simple electronics
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: IvoS on August 18, 2012, 04:10:27 pm
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue61/audiomagic_nano.htm (http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue61/audiomagic_nano.htm)

Brilliant!  ;D
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: IvoS on August 18, 2012, 04:12:35 pm
Another one:
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue61/dynamicdesign_nebula.htm (http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue61/dynamicdesign_nebula.htm)  ;D

Retail: $5800 (Six Feet), Only!    ;D
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on August 18, 2012, 04:19:43 pm
Who wants to go into the audiophile business with me?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: M. András on August 18, 2012, 04:43:31 pm
Who wants to go into the audiophile business with me?
i will help you spend the billions :) need some nice toys. hmm a nice 5 axis cnc machine at home
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: poptones on August 18, 2012, 09:11:25 pm
Those people are really difficult to abide. I know, because I once wrote for The Absolute Sound. It really is like religion - you're doomed if you don't truly believe what you're selling. Not because other will see though it so much as just because it becomes really tedious putting up with all the "ideas" floating about that community.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: meanpc on September 18, 2012, 12:15:58 pm
You might get a chuckle from the FAQ for this product:  http://ezfuelsaver.com (http://ezfuelsaver.com)

(http://ezfuelsaver.com/images/order_01.jpg)

 WHAT IS EZ Fuel Saver?

EZ Fuel Saver is a revolutionary device that was developed a few years ago in Japan, and has since sold over a million units worldwide. It has been tested and proven to increase your vehicles MPG by up to 30%. Of course results will vary based on driving/ road conditions, driver behavior, climate, and type of vehicle.

? DOES EZ Fuel Saver WORK IN ALL VEHICLES?

Yes, in about 99% of all vehicles, as long as your vehicle has a 12 volt cigarette lighter socket to plug the EZ Fuel Saver into then it will work. It works in both gas and diesel engine vehicles.

? HOW DOES EZ Fuel Saver HELP MY CAR?

EZ Fuel Saver will increase your average MPG up to 30%. It will help improve horsepower, give your cleaner emissions, prolong the life of your vehicle’s battery, and help power your vehicles electrical system.

? HOW DO I INSTALL EZ Fuel Saver?

Just plug the terminal end of the EZ Fuel Saver into your car cigarette lighter socket and it will start working immediately. Anyone can install it in only a few seconds.

? HOW LONG WILL IT LAST?

Under normal conditions the EZ Fuel Saver will last between 3 and 5 years depending on how many miles you drive per year.

? WHEN DOES IT START WORKING?

EZ Fuel Saver starts working as soon as you plug it into your vehicles cigarette lighter socket.

? WHEN IT STOPS WORKING WILL IT DAMAGE MY VEHICLE?

No, the EZ Fuel Saver won’t damage your car.

? SHOULD I REMOVE IT FROM MY CAR AT NIGHT?

No, you can leave it installed 24/7, and since it only uses a small LED light it won’t drain your vehicles battery anymore than the clock on your radio. But if you aren’t going to drive your vehicle for at least one week, we recommend removing the EZ Fuel Saver.

? IF I STOP USING IT FOR AWHILE AND THEN REUSE IT, CAN I DAMAGE MY CAR?

No, the EZ Fuel Saver won’t damage your car.

? CAN I ATTACH EZ Fuel Saver TO CIGARETTE EXTENSIONS?

Yes.

? CAN I INSTALL MORE THAN ONE EZ Fuel Saver IN MY CAR?

Yes, but it won’t dramatically increase the effectiveness and the results may only increase slightly.

? TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, HOW DOES EZ Fuel Saver FUNCTION?

The EZ Fuel Saver is somewhat like a battery, it capacitors act like tiny storage batteries that charge and discharge rapidly. Made of two plates separated by a thin insulator or sometimes air, when one plate is charged negative and the other positive, a charge builds up and remains after the current is removed. When power is required, the circuit is switched to conduct current between the plates, and the charge is released, thus causing your vehicles electrical system to not work as hard which helps improve fuel economy, and helps make your vehicle last longer.

? WILL EZ Fuel Saver SHORTEN MY BATTERY?

EZ Fuel Saver is like a secondary battery in your car, so it will reduce your current battery load and make your battery life last longer.

? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EZ Fuel Saver AND SIMILIAR PRODUCTS?

EZ Fuel Saver is unique with its 3 in 1 system and it only uses high grade electronic components and that means its more heat & vibration resistant compared to other devices. Plus EZ Fuel Saver can withstand all kinds of weather and humid conditions to protect the circuit inside. And it is the first product on the market that was designed for in-car cigarette-lighter socket plug in use. Unlike other products that need to be installed inside the vehicles engine compartment by professional mechanics.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: M. András on September 18, 2012, 02:03:35 pm
bullshit
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on September 18, 2012, 02:28:58 pm
I would love Dave to do a tear down, but my guess is there is only an led and resistor inside.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on September 30, 2012, 11:24:18 am
It's shaped like an anal toy, which can be conveniently rectally inserted into those who sell them.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: M. András on September 30, 2012, 09:19:43 pm
i wouldnt be suprised if it was a reused sex toy casing :)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: M0BSW on October 05, 2012, 02:59:11 pm
Seeing that there are lot of snake oil like topics popping up everywhere on this forum, might as well start a dedicated thread on them for a good laugh.

UNLIMITED FREE ENERGY IDENTIFIED (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHAg25Ndk_k#)

... yet another video about pissing all over the laws of thermodynamics.

that guy has the most boring voice ever. some of his "unique" designs reminded me of the barbeque that Bubbles made in Trailer Park Boys... 20 seconds in
Bubbles' Barbecue Design (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXckvagNdRw#)
Are these people for real!!!!!!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: M0BSW on October 05, 2012, 03:04:59 pm
And more to the point should they be locked up in a home for the bewildered.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: ThievingSix on October 09, 2012, 10:50:03 am
There comes a time when one must ask, How do these people get investors for this shit?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Sionyn on October 12, 2012, 09:23:54 pm
man that fuel saver bulb conmen are getting lazy who'd believe that shit
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on October 19, 2012, 07:38:42 am
Con men who give the address of the manufacturing plant should be aware of Google earth street view. The ecat is made and marketed by the Leonardo corp. of 1331 Lincoln Rd. Miami. I just looked on Google earth and street view the address is an  residential apartment block. But they have an impressive web site.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: RCMR on October 22, 2012, 11:05:53 pm
Con men who give the address of the manufacturing plant should be aware of Google earth street view. The ecat is made and marketed by the Leonardo corp. of 1331 Lincoln Rd. Miami. I just looked on Google earth and street view the address is an  residential apartment block. But they have an impressive web site.
But hey, that apartment block is simply a ruse to throw off the evil hitmen from the oil companies who are almost certain to try and kill the inventor and developer of this stuff -- as they did with Stan Meyer.

 :o :o
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: voidptr on November 01, 2012, 10:04:57 am

Beware ic prices are rising up !

here the new price for a special 74HCTLS74 ...   this is a really special Hex Inverter Schmitt Trigger !

Only $25 !
Lucky USA people got free delivery, but here in Canada we got $110 UPS delivery fee...

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/GENERIC-IC74HCTLS74AN-FNFP-IC74HCTLS74AN-/230829508490?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item35be82c78a (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/GENERIC-IC74HCTLS74AN-FNFP-IC74HCTLS74AN-/230829508490?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item35be82c78a)

We of course can get those for like $0.22 somewhere else :-)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Sionyn on November 01, 2012, 10:06:15 am
Magnets don't Cure Things
http://www.vergarimagnettherapy.co.uk/How-Magnet-Therapy-Works.html (http://www.vergarimagnettherapy.co.uk/How-Magnet-Therapy-Works.html)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: digsys on November 01, 2012, 12:12:22 pm
Quote from: voidptr
here the new price for a special 74HCTLS74 ...   this is a really special Hex Inverter Schmitt Trigger !  Only $25 !
Lucky USA people got free delivery, but here in Canada we got $110 UPS delivery fee ...
Actually, I've tried to deal with these people on a few occasions. I found their prices to be ~2X-3X FAIR market value,
but they have massive stock and many rares. Offers are mostly declined, emails often ignored. Shipping is definitely a joke.
I would suggest, from similar experience, that that "item" was for a few? 100 pieces. The listings often have errors.
I don't bother with them any more.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: voidptr on November 03, 2012, 12:24:12 am
Quote from: voidptr
here the new price for a special 74HCTLS74 ...   this is a really special Hex Inverter Schmitt Trigger !  Only $25 !
Lucky USA people got free delivery, but here in Canada we got $110 UPS delivery fee ...
Actually, I've tried to deal with these people on a few occasions. I found their prices to be ~2X-3X FAIR market value,
but they have massive stock and many rares. Offers are mostly declined, emails often ignored. Shipping is definitely a joke.
I would suggest, from similar experience, that that "item" was for a few? 100 pieces. The listings often have errors.
I don't bother with them any more.

Nope  from the answer i got from them, it is for 1 ic !

btw i made a mistake an '74 is  D  Edge-Triegered FLIP-FLOPS,  i was searching on ebay for hct ics and bought Schmitt Trigger Inverter so it stuck in my head :o(

Monday morning I'm starting  a new business I,m gonna also sell DIP ics  for fun price like that too !
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: xygor on November 03, 2012, 01:12:00 am
I'm wondering about this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5PC-SOLDERING-IRON-TOOL-KIT-30-WATTS-120V-60Hz-700-HOT-/260839873124?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbb449a64 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/5PC-SOLDERING-IRON-TOOL-KIT-30-WATTS-120V-60Hz-700-HOT-/260839873124?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbb449a64)

An $8 soldering iron kit for $1000 !!!

What's that about?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: TriodeTiger on November 03, 2012, 07:54:04 am
An $8 soldering iron kit for $1000 !!!

What's that about?

Wow, they sold over 700! Where do I join?

Jokes aside, I've seen this done on products that are out of stock. I have no clue the reasoning behind this (limitations on pulling it from the listing, or if they wish to change it back to the original price when in stock)

I would then discern from the amount sold (a lot) that it is just the seller telling you "You'd be absurd to buy this!" if there is no means to show stock without pulling and placing new listings constantly for the same product.

Alexander.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: peter.mitchell on November 03, 2012, 09:59:08 am
An $8 soldering iron kit for $1000 !!!

What's that about?

Wow, they sold over 700! Where do I join?

Jokes aside, I've seen this done on products that are out of stock. I have no clue the reasoning behind this (limitations on pulling it from the listing, or if they wish to change it back to the original price when in stock)

I would then discern from the amount sold (a lot) that it is just the seller telling you "You'd be absurd to buy this!" if there is no means to show stock without pulling and placing new listings constantly for the same product.

Alexander.

Yes, you are correct, it's done to save listing fees, its free to edit the listing, so you just edit the listing when it goes out of stock, when it comes back in bump it up again, additionally, it keeps the item in potential buyers watch lists, where as ending then re-listing would result in the ended auction being in peoples lists.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: baljemmett on November 03, 2012, 04:06:25 pm
Yes, you are correct, it's done to save listing fees, its free to edit the listing, so you just edit the listing when it goes out of stock, when it comes back in bump it up again, additionally, it keeps the item in potential buyers watch lists, where as ending then re-listing would result in the ended auction being in peoples lists.

I notice eBay has some support for items being out of stock, at least in the 'several different varieties, choose from the list' style of listing -- there's a listing for solder paste that I have in my watch list, and occasionally it shows up with a little "the specific item you are watching is out of stock at the moment" annotation underneath.  Haven't seen it on normal buy-it-now items, though, which seems like typical eBay inconsistency...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Sionyn on November 13, 2012, 12:24:04 am
A Scam Snakeoil Type of Story i Read A While Back

A Charlotte, North Carolina man, having purchased a case of rare, very expensive cigars, insured them against (get this) fire! Within a month, having smoked his entire stockpile of fabulous cigars, and having yet to make a single premium payment on the policy, the man filed a claim against the insurance company.

In his claim, the man stated that he had lost the cigars "in a series of small fires." The insurance company refused to pay, citing the obvious reason that the man had consumed the cigars in a normal fashion. The man sued -- and won! In delivering his ruling, the judge stated that since the man held a policy from the company in which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and also guaranteed that the cigars would be insured against fire, without defining what it considered to be unacceptable fire, it was obligated to compensate the insured for his loss.

Rather than endure a lengthy and costly appeal process, the insurance company grudgingly accepted the judge's ruling and paid the man $15,000 for the rare cigars he lost in the fires. After the man cashed his check, however, the insurance company had him arrested on 24 counts of arson. With his own insurance claim and testimony from the previous case being used as evidence against him, the man was convicted of intentionally burning the rare cigars and sentenced to 24 consecutive one-year terms.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: GeoffS on November 13, 2012, 01:35:02 am
The cigar story is of course false.

See here: http://www.snopes.com/crime/clever/cigarson.asp (http://www.snopes.com/crime/clever/cigarson.asp)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Sionyn on November 18, 2012, 11:56:52 am
audiofools what the hell are vertical mosfet ? mounted i guess ?
http://www.chordelectronics.co.uk/products-info.asp?id=88 (http://www.chordelectronics.co.uk/products-info.asp?id=88)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: GeoffS on November 18, 2012, 12:38:45 pm
audiofools what the hell are vertical mosfet ? mounted i guess ?
http://www.chordelectronics.co.uk/products-info.asp?id=88 (http://www.chordelectronics.co.uk/products-info.asp?id=88)

Nothing else in their range seems to indicate audiophoolery so they probably refer to VMOS (http://ecee.colorado.edu/~bart/book/book/chapter7/ch7_8.htm)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SeanB on November 18, 2012, 01:19:06 pm
Could be worse. They could be using power Jfets........
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: ciccio on November 21, 2012, 07:09:27 pm
audiofools what the hell are vertical mosfet ? mounted i guess ?
http://www.chordelectronics.co.uk/products-info.asp?id=88 (http://www.chordelectronics.co.uk/products-info.asp?id=88)
Vertical Power Mosfets exist and are used in audio power amplifiers (and other devices, too).
They usual acronym is VMOS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_MOSFET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_MOSFET)
Lateral MOSFETS exists, also.
Chord Electronics is a  well renown manufacturer,  they build products, not snake oil...
Their prices are hight,  but the built quality of their products, and their performances, are top-class.
Best regards


Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Tube_Dude on November 22, 2012, 01:50:49 am
The lateral mosfets are the ones made specially for Audio. They have been made by Hitachi, 2SK134/SJ49 in metal packages (now obsolete and very hard to find) and after presented in plastic cases , 2SK1058/SJ162 family. The last ones still being made by RENESAS, if i'm not mistaken.

The reason they have been made specially for Audio, come not from esoteric reasons, but because they have very low ON Voltage, and at around 100 mA current they have the point of inflection from positive temperature coefficient, to negative temperature coefficient. Giving them at around 100mA bias current (very common idle current for Audio amplifiers) high Bias stability. That's the reason they can be used without source resistors and without the usual VBE multiplier transistor.

A usual mistake in Audio is to use Vertical Mosfets in schematics designed for Lateral, and be presented with high thermal instability....
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: IvoS on November 23, 2012, 04:28:33 pm
I don't see anything amazing on this CHORD product. All parameters are on average side.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Tube_Dude on November 23, 2012, 04:53:25 pm
I don't see anything amazing on this CHORD product.

The price!!  8)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: TerraHertz on December 04, 2012, 05:13:59 am
http://soul2soultreasures.com/mayan_cloak/ (http://soul2soultreasures.com/mayan_cloak/)
Mystic Mayan Power Cloak™

Fortunately, that snake has her tongue firmly in her cheek.
No, not _those_ cheeks.

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: jh15 on December 14, 2012, 04:25:01 am
Be fun to try snake oil on those cheeks...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: dr_p on December 18, 2012, 11:48:05 am
He certainly doesn't seem to choose his words too carefully, and that causes some confusion as to what he actually wants to say. 

A single 9V battery is capable of 500mA, so at first glance some 80 batteries in series are capable of delivering 720V*0.5A=360W and that's plenty of power even for a makeshift water pump.

There are hundreds of ways you can "photoshop" this, but IF all those professors  and engineers really exist AND were truly convinced, then... :scared:
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on December 18, 2012, 04:15:44 pm
Watch the meter it's reading negative, he says. Of course it's reading negative switch the leads around and its reading positive. The only miracle here is the gullibility of his audience.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: jerry507 on December 18, 2012, 06:14:53 pm
This thread has the amusing side effect of sometimes presenting how little the posters know as they race to call everything snake oil.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Kremmen on December 19, 2012, 11:52:36 am
Brrhhh... The problem is that different kind of investigator is needed to properly debunk this kind of crap. All such overunity schemes have invariably fallen into 2 categories - outright scam or incompetent measuring. Now if they have frogmarched a bunch of MIT engineers and the like to see the miracle, the latter may not be the case - necessarily. But i say bring in James Randi and the truth is quickly found out.
The pros (electrical and physics, that is) often suffer from a certain kind of naivete - they tend to take claims at face value and verify them as they are stated. This is natural, because this is how science and tech are done. There is no purposeful misdirection - usually. So, once the "inventor" or whatever has the minds of the audience set the way he wants, one needs to take some distance to be able to see beyond the facade of the claims. A pro in a different field, i.e. magic/misdirection will easily see through smoke&mirrors that baffle "honest" men. Does anyone honestly still believe U. Geller had the power to bend metal with his mind after Randi handily repeated his best efforts?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Kremmen on December 19, 2012, 05:25:48 pm
To be sure  ;D. But in the end it was his sweaty fingers doing the deed, not a mysterious "mind over matter" voodoo.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on December 30, 2012, 02:14:35 pm
I have just checked my resistance, it's 1.7 Meg ohms from my tongue to my left hand and 4 meg from hand to hand using a UniT 61E I have checked it with an AVO 8 that uses 9 Volts on the ohms range and that gives about 3.5 meg ohm I dont fancy trying my insulation tester which runs 250 -500 and 100 volts I don,t like electric shocks having had many over the years I try to avoid them if at all possible. I wonder if this high resistance explains why they could not get any results when I had carpal tunnel tests some years ago.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on December 30, 2012, 02:45:37 pm
I have just checked my resistance, it's 1.7 Meg ohms from my tongue to my left hand and 4 meg from hand to hand using a UniT 61E I have checked it with an AVO 8 that uses 9 Volts on the ohms range and that gives about 3.5 meg ohm I dont fancy trying my insulation tester which runs 250 -500 and 100 volts I don,t like electric shocks having had many over the years I try to avoid them if at all possible. I wonder if this high resistance explains why they could not get any results when I had carpal tunnel tests some years ago.

I know the feeling. The worst I've had is a high voltage capacitor still charged to about 180V in a switched-mode PSU I was fixing. It went from my left to right hand through my chest. Heart was a bit iffy for a couple of seconds. Never again.
The worst I ever had was when adjusting a 26 CRT colour TV threw me right across the room had a few 415 belts of power plant as well and on one occasion set up an electric fence and after finishing was talking to someone and walked right into the fence where the energizer was connected, that put me on my back for 30 seconds or so. 
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: cb22 on January 05, 2013, 03:51:30 pm
Oh look, a giant motor that runs from a 9V battery. *cough* I mean 80x 9V batteries, or 720V DC supply. But... apparently 80x 9V batteries in series still has the exact same current capability as one of the 1.5V cells inside a 9V battery. Who would like to explain Ohm's law to him?

Big Eureka - The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g#ws)

According to that video, his pump is moving 900GPH. Sounds impressive, except when you consider that you can get 350GPH pumps from SparkFun for $15, that draw about 18W.

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10455 (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10455)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Kibi on January 12, 2013, 08:42:59 pm
For forty nicker you can get yourself one of these!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOCAL-ENVIRONMENT-ENHANCER-DESK-TOP-ORGONE-POWERED-/251208402579?pt=Loose_Gemstones&hash=item3a7d300693 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOCAL-ENVIRONMENT-ENHANCER-DESK-TOP-ORGONE-POWERED-/251208402579?pt=Loose_Gemstones&hash=item3a7d300693)

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: TMM on January 14, 2013, 05:48:51 am
For forty nicker you can get yourself one of these!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOCAL-ENVIRONMENT-ENHANCER-DESK-TOP-ORGONE-POWERED-/251208402579?pt=Loose_Gemstones&hash=item3a7d300693 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOCAL-ENVIRONMENT-ENHANCER-DESK-TOP-ORGONE-POWERED-/251208402579?pt=Loose_Gemstones&hash=item3a7d300693)
not sure if chinglish or just crazy person talk.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: GeoffS on January 14, 2013, 06:52:49 am
not sure if chinglish or just crazy person talk.

Just a poor translation from crazy to English.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on January 14, 2013, 10:22:47 am
Crazy speak from the 1930's.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: flolic on January 31, 2013, 08:11:41 am
Speaking of Orgone...  ;D
http://www.flaska.eu/water-structuring (http://www.flaska.eu/water-structuring)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on January 31, 2013, 11:34:27 am
Must use Intel's rejects to make the glass for the bottle, how else does silicon store information other than when it has been converted by a chip fab.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: 64bitDOS on January 31, 2013, 09:39:54 pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-TALA-Snake-oil-is-permanent-solution-for-your-loss-hair-/271133630774?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f20d2e136 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-TALA-Snake-oil-is-permanent-solution-for-your-loss-hair-/271133630774?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f20d2e136)

"Snake oil is permanent solution for your loss hair"
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: 64bitDOS on January 31, 2013, 09:44:20 pm
For forty nicker you can get yourself one of these!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOCAL-ENVIRONMENT-ENHANCER-DESK-TOP-ORGONE-POWERED-/251208402579?pt=Loose_Gemstones&hash=item3a7d300693 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOCAL-ENVIRONMENT-ENHANCER-DESK-TOP-ORGONE-POWERED-/251208402579?pt=Loose_Gemstones&hash=item3a7d300693)

This is from the same vendor, but it has knobs on it.
Much more convincing :-)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADVANCED-7-DIAL-RADIONICS-BLACK-BOX-AND-PENDULUM-/390531147890?pt=Loose_Gemstones&hash=item5aed786872 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADVANCED-7-DIAL-RADIONICS-BLACK-BOX-AND-PENDULUM-/390531147890?pt=Loose_Gemstones&hash=item5aed786872)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on January 31, 2013, 10:08:06 pm
Love to see the circuit Diagram, If I was a bit wealthier I would buy one and send it to Dave for a tear down. He might find a use for the dials. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/Smileys/default/smiley_laughing.gif (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/Smileys/default/smiley_laughing.gif)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: GeoffS on January 31, 2013, 10:37:46 pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-TALA-Snake-oil-is-permanent-solution-for-your-loss-hair-/271133630774?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f20d2e136 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-TALA-Snake-oil-is-permanent-solution-for-your-loss-hair-/271133630774?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f20d2e136)

"Snake oil is permanent solution for your loss hair"

Doesn't seem to work for snakes . When is the last time you saw a hairy reptile?

I'll stick with my age old remedy for baldness, a poultice of goose grease and horse manure.
Title: GPS Jammer
Post by: Sionyn on February 12, 2013, 03:45:35 pm
Adopts the technology of code interdiction and interposition to intercept the signals of satellite and break them completely (that makes it clear then)
http://www.cellphoneshop.net/gpsblocker.html (http://www.cellphoneshop.net/gpsblocker.html)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on February 12, 2013, 04:54:37 pm
Wooden capacitor (http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/index.html) anyone...?
(http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/wooden_cap_final_small.PNG)
No?  How about a Cotton resistor (http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/index.html)
(http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/P7309327_s.jpg)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: amd on February 12, 2013, 05:14:35 pm
Wooden capacitor (http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/index.html) anyone...?
No?  How about a Cotton resistor (http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/index.html)
LOL, my favourite is the Invisistor (http://studiozey.com/invisistor/index.html)
(http://studiozey.com/invisistor/ebony_s.jpg)
Really a bargain, £40 for a 5% tolerance resistor.
Only up to 100R of course, above that it is £1 per every full 100R. So I guess you can get a 100k resistor as cheap as £1039  ;)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: firewalker on February 12, 2013, 05:16:39 pm
Wooden capacitor (http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/index.html) anyone...?
(http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/wooden_cap_final_small.PNG)
No?  How about a Cotton resistor (http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/index.html)
(http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/P7309327_s.jpg)

Awesome!  :P :P :P

Alexander.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on February 12, 2013, 05:38:14 pm
LOL, my favourite is the Invisistor (http://studiozey.com/invisistor/index.html)
Quote
Imagine a resistor that passes on the full dynamic range of the signal, while being completely transparent itself. Completely "invisible".

Wow. From the pricing structure and size relative to value I'm assuming it's a custom wirewound. Funny they don't make any mention of its inductance.

Quote
I offer full refund if you are not satisfied (and so far, I have had none).

Yeah, because everyone walks away with their tail between their legs, ashamed to admit they just paid $60 for an "invisible" 1/8W resistor that's probably got enough inductance to run a low-power boost converter  :-DD
Title: Remember Those Spray On Antennas ?
Post by: Sionyn on February 13, 2013, 10:36:16 pm
they now have capital funding despite not having a proof of concept
here the original talk
Solve for X: Anthony Sutera on low power wireless everywhere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4efE_gO9lFo#ws)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: brainwash on March 08, 2013, 05:06:02 am
I just found a really nice USB cable while looking for something completely different:

http://www.moon-audio.com/audio-cables/kingrex/kingrex-uart-y-usb-cable.html (http://www.moon-audio.com/audio-cables/kingrex/kingrex-uart-y-usb-cable.html)

Quote
Power separated USB Cable- Only Purity No Noise

HiEnd USB design, sounds TRUE from the very beginning

Our USB cables feature these two important performance enhancing features.

² Signal/power separation

² Cryogenic treatment.

By including these two extra important ingredients in our new USB cables, Kingrex have once again been able to offer you a product that not only looks stunning but it has the sound quality to match.

I have absolutely no idea what USB has to do with sound but I have to admit they look really nice. I think they want to do both audio and usb over the same cable. Just that the price is 10-100x off the mark.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: jh15 on March 10, 2013, 04:09:44 am
Looks like some kind of braided cloth and end caps likely over a one hung low or locally manufactured audiophool (to me) cable, anyone ever take it apart?  I'd be willing to donate a buck to Dave to test, and take apart one when enough bucks donated.  (apart from my regular donation).
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on March 10, 2013, 04:21:13 am
The idea of signal/power separation on a digital cable is fucking hilarious. If they're trying to prevent noise from coupling power->signal, they seem to have forgotten about those noisy edges in the digital signal. Doesn't get much worse than that. And if they're trying to prevent noise from coupling signal->power - for that price, you could build an amazingly good filter and have enough money left to buy a used spectrum analyzer to test it...

But I suppose it doesn't matter, because everything else these people do is equally hilarious.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: warywolfen on March 11, 2013, 04:59:37 am
A basic principle in engineering is that in order to extract energy from any source, there must be an energy gradient.  For instance, you can have oodles of electrons at a certain point, but they won't supply energy, unless there's another point with fewer electrons you can connect to, and cause a current to flow.  For every energy "source," there must be a corresponding "sink," in order to get at the energy.  If this "zero point energy" is EVERYWHERE, where is the sink?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on March 11, 2013, 05:19:25 am
The low energy point is in the cranial cavities of the people who fall for this stuff.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: killernat on March 11, 2013, 05:44:04 am
a lot of theses over unity things are bloody hilarious
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: ngfish on March 11, 2013, 12:59:50 pm
Idk about some of these ideas... they seem to bogus... but prove me wrong.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: IvoS on March 11, 2013, 11:53:20 pm
Even better. They say: Regular Price: $10,810.00   :-DD :-DD
http://www.moon-audio.com/kimber-select-ks-1130-6m.html# (http://www.moon-audio.com/kimber-select-ks-1130-6m.html#)
I can buy a small new car for this money.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on March 12, 2013, 12:08:13 am
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“…a wholly involving, exhilarating cable that does both music and hardware the fullest of justice.”

This is the funniest thing on that whole page, IMHO. An exhilarating cable.  :-DD I sure hope so! For that price it'd better do your dishes, give you a BJ and cook a delicious filet mignon...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: David_AVD on March 12, 2013, 12:40:31 am
Quote
“…a wholly involving, exhilarating cable that does both music and hardware the fullest of justice.”

This is the funniest thing on that whole page, IMHO. An exhilarating cable.  :-DD I sure hope so! For that price it'd better do your dishes, give you a BJ and cook a delicious filet mignon...

In that order?   :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on March 12, 2013, 12:47:06 am
Yep! The "reconfigurable" option is $1000 more.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: GeoffS on March 12, 2013, 01:29:35 am
Quote
“…a wholly involving, exhilarating cable that does both music and hardware the fullest of justice.”

This is the funniest thing on that whole page, IMHO. An exhilarating cable.  :-DD I sure hope so! For that price it'd better do your dishes, give you a BJ and cook a delicious filet mignon...

In that order?   :-DD

Always dinner first.  ;)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Kaluriel on March 12, 2013, 01:35:56 am
These kind of scams disgust me. I once saw an advert that said you don't need insulin to treat diabetes, you can cure all types with their homemade remedies.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on March 12, 2013, 01:39:22 am
There's a vast difference between "this $5000 cable will give your ears a blowjob" and "you don't need medicine".
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Kaluriel on March 12, 2013, 02:29:08 am
I'd hope for $5000 it would be a cure all panacea that gave my ears a blowjob
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on March 12, 2013, 02:37:36 am
Nah. $5000 should get you a solid gold cable, but it may be just enough to get a doctor to say "God bless you" when you sneeze.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: JoannaK on March 18, 2013, 11:47:22 pm
Not sure if this one has been linked.. but seriously?

http://www.trueaudiophile.com/stage-iii-zyklop-ultimate-audio-power-1-5-meter/ (http://www.trueaudiophile.com/stage-iii-zyklop-ultimate-audio-power-1-5-meter/)

Power cord, 1.5 meter ... Merely $6600 ..-
Extra half meter  +$2300

Yeeha.  :bullshit:
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: 4to20Milliamps on March 19, 2013, 12:43:40 am
A snake oil thread with no LRL's int it?

They must work.

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQx-17iR5I76dBidZzbnK6LCmf4vL0qa7JJOiE3FZddUVasGCSR2g)

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: 4to20Milliamps on March 20, 2013, 02:52:54 am
Gee I didn't mean to put the kabosh on the snake oil thread  ;D

For anyone that doesn't know (which I'm sure everybody does) these devices are the greatest things ever made, but to use one you have to be wise enough to solve this cryptic word puzzle:

Lo_ng  R_n_e   _ocator

only then will you be able to find tons of gold with it, which of course I have and I'd show everybody a picture but I'm afraid the government would confiscate it......so you'll just have to take my word for it.

http://www.rangertell.com/products.html (http://www.rangertell.com/products.html)

these things are awesome all you do is input the frequency for gold on the phase modulation/human interface portion, and bingo you can find gold from hundreds of miles away.

Oh, you also have to adjust the antenna for atmospheric conditions.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: 4to20Milliamps on March 20, 2013, 02:59:37 am
Also I do use the gold cables for my computer speakers, especially the one inside the case, microphonics can be a real problem when you're as anal about audio as I am..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphonics)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: amspire on March 20, 2013, 04:49:14 am
Not sure if this one has been linked.. but seriously?

http://www.trueaudiophile.com/stage-iii-zyklop-ultimate-audio-power-1-5-meter/ (http://www.trueaudiophile.com/stage-iii-zyklop-ultimate-audio-power-1-5-meter/)

That trueaudiophile site is quite entertaining. Their $14,999 preamplifier is "the finest preamplifier ever made", but they recommend that if you buy it, you pay extra to replace the capacitors and the volume control with better ones.

http://www.trueaudiophile.com/audion-premier-quattro-line-mc-phono-4-box-pre-amplifier-model-no-q4/ (http://www.trueaudiophile.com/audion-premier-quattro-line-mc-phono-4-box-pre-amplifier-model-no-q4/)

The specifications are truly amazing:

Quote
Phase - Correct
Distortion @ 1V Noise (CCIR)

It is so good, they do not even need numbers for the specifications - the specs do not even need to mean anything when the quality is this high.

Signal to noise ratio is 70dB so there is some audible hiss and rectified mains noise, but it is the finest hiss and rectified mains noise you will ever hear.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: ResR on March 21, 2013, 04:22:26 pm
High quality preamplifier and they are using soviet 6N23P vacuum tubes or western analog of it, seriously, for $14,999.00? I have at least 10 of those tubes found from old TV-s channel selector, what a rip-off  :-DD. Althought  6N23P was said here in Estonia to be the best pre-amp tubes during 1980-s, but modern audio tubes are far better.
Edit 1: Polypropylene capacitors too? God. Nice find, Joanna K. I have never laughed so hard before._
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: madshaman on March 21, 2013, 05:54:50 pm
Not sure if this one has been linked.. but seriously?

http://www.trueaudiophile.com/stage-iii-zyklop-ultimate-audio-power-1-5-meter/ (http://www.trueaudiophile.com/stage-iii-zyklop-ultimate-audio-power-1-5-meter/)

Power cord, 1.5 meter ... Merely $6600 ..-
Extra half meter  +$2300

Yeeha.  :bullshit:

"Treble and midrange are smoother and better defined, while bass increases in depth and articulation. Increased video contrast and sharpness will make images practically holographic." 

- Bwahahahhahahahaahahahaahaaaa.

"100% radiation invulnerable shielding uses exclusive H.D.A.(High Density Alloy) foil plus nickel plated copper braid"

- Cool!  So if I wear the stuff as a jacket I'll be invulnerable to high velocity neutrons!

"Custom handmade polymer-filled, carbon fiber plug housings help eliminate external vibrations."

- I didn't know simple cable could also be microphonic, explains why the electrons got so angry when I dropped a box containing some test leads; I did notice they moved slower after the incident, but then again I might have forgotten to angle them downwards so the they wouldn't have to work against gravity so much.  What they fail to mention is that electrons from warmer climates might not fair as well in cold climates.  Imagine buying a $6000 cable only to find that most of the electrons died in transport?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: gerrysweeney on March 27, 2013, 07:33:17 pm
 :-DD It would be sad if it was not so hilariously ridiculous - sad thing is, there are people out there that actually buy this stuff!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Orpheus on March 28, 2013, 02:42:03 am
Saw this eBay auction and thought of you all:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-EMF-Shield-/251236135696 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-EMF-Shield-/251236135696)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: madshaman on March 28, 2013, 02:46:57 am
Saw this eBay auction and thought of you all:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-EMF-Shield-/251236135696 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-EMF-Shield-/251236135696)

Are you freaking kidding!  It's on sale for only $31 !!!  Tell me you're not going to let your family go unprotected for such a low price.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on March 28, 2013, 02:47:49 am
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Each LSWI Bike EMF Shields is encoded with 200+ balancing frequencies extracted from the purest sources of nature using twentieth century technology of quantum physics. LSWI Bike EMF Shields actually transform the hazardous microwave fields from cell towers and the electromagnetic field radiation from power lines into a powerful balancing field of protection around you and your family members.

It's got to be a joke. It's got to be a joke. It's got to be a joke. It's got to be a joke.  :scared: I'm just going to keep telling myself that until it goes away.  |O
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: digsys on March 28, 2013, 12:14:13 pm
DAMMITT !! I wish I'd checked the usage instructions FIRST !! I inserted mine up my rectum ..
It did seem to work though ..
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: 4to20Milliamps on March 28, 2013, 12:26:53 pm
Spectrum......not rectum.  ;D

That thing would look nice on my tin foil hat.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: BobbyK on March 29, 2013, 02:26:20 am
I submit: http://www.dwavesys.com/en/pressreleases.html#investment_2012 (http://www.dwavesys.com/en/pressreleases.html#investment_2012)

Seems these guys cannot really even quantify why their product works. There are plenty of well-regardedscientists who have called them out on their fraud, and yet they keep getting more and more funds from investors impressed by their giant black-box machine!


http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/loser-dwave-does-not-quantum-compute (http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/loser-dwave-does-not-quantum-compute)
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/407652/qa-d-waves-geordie-rose/ (http://www.technologyreview.com/news/407652/qa-d-waves-geordie-rose/)


Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: amspire on March 29, 2013, 06:05:45 am
I submit: http://www.dwavesys.com/en/pressreleases.html#investment_2012 (http://www.dwavesys.com/en/pressreleases.html#investment_2012)
I am not sure that technology that is real but very difficult really fits into the category of snake oil.

It looks like D-Wave have built real computers, and their 128 qubit computer was used to do this Harvard research:

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/120813/srep00571/full/srep00571.html (http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/120813/srep00571/full/srep00571.html)

NY Times did a story about Lockheed Martin using the technology:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/22/technology/testing-a-new-class-of-speedy-computer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/22/technology/testing-a-new-class-of-speedy-computer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)

Attached are some photo's of the D-Wave 128 qubit processor:



Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: justanothercanuck on March 29, 2013, 06:07:47 am
Quantum computing is real, whether it's viable for home use, I don't believe so.  It seems more suited to science and research types.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: BobbyK on March 30, 2013, 01:54:19 am
Well, they talk about quantum computing, but what they really have is quantum annealing. I would compare the two approaches to using a real synchronous programmable CPU e.g. vs applying an input to a bunch of astable elements of a particular design, and hoping that they settle into something that approximates the result you are after. If they hadn't called it a quantum computer, but rather a "quantum effect computer" I might have been more lenient :P
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Orpheus on March 30, 2013, 03:26:11 am
Then again, when a press release cites a list of "supporters" (for legitimacy) then adds one lonely paragraph of [nonsensical, empty] "factual" substance before it signs off:

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D-Wave will use the new funding to augment its commercial operations and further increase its capabilities to provide solutions to its customers. This added capital allows D-Wave to pursue its growth strategy with the intention of making a difference to their customers' mission objectives. Those objectives are central to D-Wave technological innovation and quantum computing applications development. "Our Intelligence Community customers have many complex problems that tax classical computing architecture," stated Robert Ames, Vice President in charge of Information and Communication Technologies at IQT, "We believe our customers can benefit from the promise of quantum computing, and this investment in D-Wave is a first step in that direction."

Tell me that doesn't sound like snake oil.

Of course the financial regs encourage that sort of thing, but thoughtful financial analysts have been excoriating the snake oil being marketed to consumers (and often business) as "investment vehicles" for decades
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Orpheus on March 30, 2013, 03:53:27 am
To be precise:

I have no problem with the use of Quantum Annealing. I once had good familiarity with the issues of protein folding (I was a molecular biologist who went back to school to study medicine) and it seems eminently suited to that problem --and undoubtedly several others-- but one shouldn't expect it to apply directly to general computation. OTOH, QA is quite analogous to some forms of analog computing, which I admire and feel is given far too little attention today, and which proved itself capable of surprising things.

But here's a press release you'll never read: "Company X (XCO) announced today that it will no longer be seeking or accepting investment funding. It CEO, Dr. Frank Earnest, said 'We made some really big advances early on; some have called them Nobel-caliber quantum leaps; but over the last few years we've seen that we can only make substantial steady improvements in our technology, not the quantum leap(s) required to allow it to live up to its promise. We are continuing our development work solely in the hope of patenting some key technique or process that the next groundbreaking start-up will want or need to license."

Rarely does a company give up on funding (or investors give up on the jackpot), even if all the top management agrees they are NOT on the road to a breakthrough -- and that's not evil: almost all founder/academicians necessarily accept that incremental research in a field is worthwhile, even if a breakthrough is not imminent. However, their press releases continue to make them sound like the Next Great Thing -- and that is the snake oil. Marketing runs on snake oil, is lubricated by snake oil, and outputs snake oil.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: JoeyP on March 30, 2013, 09:39:56 pm
Saw this eBay auction and thought of you all:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-EMF-Shield-/251236135696 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-EMF-Shield-/251236135696)

Are you freaking kidding!  It's on sale for only $31 !!!  Tell me you're not going to let your family go unprotected for such a low price.

I checked into volume pricing, and sure enough, they do offer volume discounts! Here's their response:

"Thank you for contacting us.  The retail price for the Bike EMF
Shield is $39.00  We posted it at a discounted price of $35,00 and as you
know, we  added a 10% spring discount on top of that for the last week of
March.  As a courtesty to you, we would offer an additional discount of
$1.00 off per item plus S & H for an order of 12 shields."

There's no longer any excuse to go without shielding!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: BobbyK on March 31, 2013, 03:47:50 am
"LSWI Bike EMF Shields are especially designed to maximize your protection from harmful EMF and RF radiation while you enjoy the outdoors. Each LSWI Bike EMF Shields is encoded with 200+ balancing frequencies extracted from the purest sources of nature using twentieth century technology of quantum physics. LSWI Bike EMF Shields actually transform the hazardous microwave fields from cell towers and the electromagnetic field radiation from power lines into a powerful balancing field of protection around you and your family members. Because of the metallic nature of bicycles, they are extremely high conductors of the radio and electromagnetic frequencies so prevalent in the environment. It is therefore strongly recommended to use the LSWI Bike EMF Shields every time you or your loved ones are out riding."


Ahahha....laughed my butt off! Those guys are hillarious.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: madshaman on March 31, 2013, 10:22:53 pm
Saw this eBay auction and thought of you all:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-EMF-Shield-/251236135696 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-EMF-Shield-/251236135696)

Are you freaking kidding!  It's on sale for only $31 !!!  Tell me you're not going to let your family go unprotected for such a low price.

I checked into volume pricing, and sure enough, they do offer volume discounts! Here's their response:

"Thank you for contacting us.  The retail price for the Bike EMF
Shield is $39.00  We posted it at a discounted price of $35,00 and as you
know, we  added a 10% spring discount on top of that for the last week of
March.  As a courtesty to you, we would offer an additional discount of
$1.00 off per item plus S & H for an order of 12 shields."

There's no longer any excuse to go without shielding!

Lolololololololol, is that a real response from them?  If so, total props for doing that, that's hilarious.

Well, there's nothing left to do other than organise a group buy ;-)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: vk3yedotcom on March 31, 2013, 11:18:14 pm
The snake oil's flowing freely today.  An antenna with a suspiciously wide bandwidth and noise cancellation properties. 

EXCLUSIVE! Introducing the new VU-DU DX Multiband Antenna (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46coth1Z9rQ#)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on March 31, 2013, 11:26:37 pm
An antenna with a suspiciously wide bandwidth and noise cancellation properties. 

Well, it's aptly named...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: 4to20Milliamps on March 31, 2013, 11:29:32 pm
He better hope he has a patent on that, I think I can duplicate it just from looking at the parts from frames of the video.

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: FenderBender on March 31, 2013, 11:45:37 pm
The snake oil's flowing freely today.  An antenna with a suspiciously wide bandwidth and noise cancellation properties. 


It's name is just missing an integral symbol...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on March 31, 2013, 11:47:53 pm
It's name is just missing an integral symbol...

Damn you, how did you notice that and I didn't? I was a math major!  :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: madshaman on April 01, 2013, 03:37:59 am
The snake oil's flowing freely today.  An antenna with a suspiciously wide bandwidth and noise cancellation properties. 

EXCLUSIVE! Introducing the new VU-DU DX Multiband Antenna (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46coth1Z9rQ#)

Forum members obviously need an infusion of the humour vitamin ;-)

What date is tomorrow again?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: JoeyP on April 01, 2013, 09:20:23 am
Saw this eBay auction and thought of you all:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-EMF-Shield-/251236135696 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-EMF-Shield-/251236135696)

Are you freaking kidding!  It's on sale for only $31 !!!  Tell me you're not going to let your family go unprotected for such a low price.

I checked into volume pricing, and sure enough, they do offer volume discounts! Here's their response:

"Thank you for contacting us.  The retail price for the Bike EMF
Shield is $39.00  We posted it at a discounted price of $35,00 and as you
know, we  added a 10% spring discount on top of that for the last week of
March.  As a courtesty to you, we would offer an additional discount of
$1.00 off per item plus S & H for an order of 12 shields."

There's no longer any excuse to go without shielding!

Lolololololololol, is that a real response from them?  If so, total props for doing that, that's hilarious.

Well, there's nothing left to do other than organise a group buy ;-)

Yes, that's an actual response from them. They are offering a whopping $1 discount for volume purchase!

So who's in for the group buy? Just go ahead and send me your money, and when I get 12 orders I'll do the group buy... honest...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on April 02, 2013, 10:18:22 pm
Bullshit overload :
http://www.emfblues.com/index.html (http://www.emfblues.com/index.html)  :palm:
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: JoeyP on April 02, 2013, 11:06:51 pm
Bullshit overload :
http://www.emfblues.com/index.html (http://www.emfblues.com/index.html)  :palm:

Gosh, it seems so straight-forward:

Quote
Crystal Catalyst ® Technology has a unique composition and structure which allows it to absorb and then rebroadcast harmful electromagnetic radiations in a cleaner form.

These cleaner frequencies are beneficial to the body. Tests shows that Crystal Catalyst® Resonators increase the body's strength and enhance whole brainwave functioning.

Damn! I already bought the bike EMF shield!

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on April 02, 2013, 11:10:01 pm
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I had my Crystal Catalyst ® Bead muscle tested by my naturopath

It's not often that something on the Internet makes me literally laugh out loud. That is hilarious.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: kxenos on April 02, 2013, 11:51:32 pm
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I had my Crystal Catalyst ® Bead muscle tested by my naturopath

It's not often that something on the Internet makes me literally laugh out loud. That is hilarious.

For so many years I was blind! I was trying to block EMF! I was going against cosmic energy! How wrong was I? Now, instead of trying to block EMF I harmonize to it! I can grab a 230V cable and my face harmonically lights up at 50Hz! And I also have convinced some motors I use, to harmonize with their power and realize that all good things have an end. Now they don't produce back EMF when power is removed from them!  :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on April 03, 2013, 12:07:58 am
These people are so retarded they can't even get the occasional real fact right - apparently cosmic radiation comes from planes  :
Quote
Airplane Radiation
During a cross country flight from NY to LA you are subjected to more radiation from the plane then you are during a chest X-ray.


Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on April 03, 2013, 01:05:37 am
This website is really, really funny.

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Crystal Catalyst® Technology was discovered and developed by reknowned subtle energy researcher and master dowser Robert McKusick

A master dowser, that's rich. And they clearly don't enhance spelling ability.

Quote
Crystal Catalyst® is made by firing silicone and rare earths together in a special energy field based on the fields used in Ancient Egypt to fire scarabs and other talismans.

Are you freaking kidding me? Ancient Egypt?

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Robert McKusick has chosen not to patent Crystal Catalyst® Technology because he does not wish to reveal its proprietary formula and process.

Heh...

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We don't recomend EMF meters as way to test the resonators . Since our products 'clean' rather than block the frequencies, the frequencies are still present but are now altered.

No... you don't get it - our painkillers don't get rid of the pain, they enhance it so you will enjoy it instead of suffering. Trust me, you're not suffering.

Quote
Will they wear out?

Nope. And they don't need recharging.

That's good, I was wondering where it plugged in.

Quote
Crystal Catalyst® Dielectric Resonators have been tested by independent third party laboratories for over 20 years.

A leading International Canadian Testing Laboratory for Clean Energy has confirmed that the resonators "are not electrical, magnetic, or radioactive, and they can not harm electrical appliances, or computer hardware or software".

The same laboratory also confirmed that the resonators are not edible.

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Being electrical, the brain is severely affected by electronic pollution. That's why you feel so "brain-dead" after spending hours on your computer or talking on your cell phone.

Presented without comment.

Quote
Here is Charmion standing over a Geopathic Stress Zone. In the first pic, Charmion attempts to lift a gallon of water. She struggles and can only lift it up to her shoulder. In the second pic, a Clearfield Plate has been placed at the far end of the building. With the Clearfield Plate up, Charmion is able to life the gallon of water way above her shoulder and with ease.

 |O

Jesus freaking Christ these people are something else. It reads like bad satire. I half expected the "Add to Cart" link to pop up a box saying "April Fools!"
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: notsob on April 03, 2013, 06:17:07 am
OH to be so happy in one's ignorance

Neil Innes - How Sweet to be an Idiot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ9EWcaS7II#)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: lemmegraphdat on April 04, 2013, 01:23:44 am
When it comes to Dowsing the thing I'm going to ask one of these guys is this: "You just found water right there. So are you telling me that there is no water just a foot away? What about over here or what about just a little over there? How about around back of the house?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: vk3yedotcom on April 04, 2013, 07:46:09 am
Quote
I had my Crystal Catalyst ® Bead muscle tested by my naturopath

It's not often that something on the Internet makes me literally laugh out loud. That is hilarious.

Just make sure your crystal is clean first.  According to this calendar  http://www.whittleseawellness.com.au/apps/calendar/ (http://www.whittleseawellness.com.au/apps/calendar/) you need to clean them on full moon night (April 25).

If you can't wait that long, there is such a thing as a 'crystal playshop' where you "Learn how to clean, look after, programme and use your crystals in many different ways for healing."



Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Orpheus on April 16, 2013, 07:51:23 pm
I love that the Protective Pendant protects from "EMF and negativity from others". It's like the joke about two atoms walking down the street.

(and wouldn't it be great if there *were* such a thing as "bullshit overload"?)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Neilm on April 17, 2013, 06:59:35 pm
Quote
Over the past few years the amount of WiFi on the planet has skyrocketed.
Anything wireless emits microwave or RF radiowave frequencies. Your wireless router is no exception.

That wins the "No Shit Sherlock" award

Neil
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: codeboy2k on April 17, 2013, 08:05:56 pm
I'm going to open a crystal repair shop :)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: madshaman on April 18, 2013, 08:18:56 pm
Quote
Over the past few years the amount of WiFi on the planet has skyrocketed.
Anything wireless emits microwave or RF radiowave frequencies. Your wireless router is no exception.

That wins the "No Shit Sherlock" award

Neil

Wait....  WAIT!!!  You mean to tell me that radio transmitters transmit radio waves!!!  wtf, I've been lied to!!!!
Title: Golf ball finders <=> Bomb detectors
Post by: Towger on May 02, 2013, 11:52:12 am
Here is an interesting article about a man who sold very expensive golf ball finders to the military as bomb detectors!
British conman jailed over fake bomb detectors: http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0502/389987-mccormick-bomb-detectors/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0502/389987-mccormick-bomb-detectors/)

Does anyone know the details behind this?

You tube: http://youtu.be/-eulG9wrQ04 (http://youtu.be/-eulG9wrQ04)
Title: Re: Golf ball finders <=> Bomb detectors
Post by: jpb on May 02, 2013, 12:01:31 pm
Here is an interesting article about a man who sold very expensive golf ball finders to the military as bomb detectors!
British conman jailed over fake bomb detectors: http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0502/389987-mccormick-bomb-detectors/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0502/389987-mccormick-bomb-detectors/)

Does anyone know the details behind this?
This has been in the news a lot in the UK, initially when he was first arrested and then more recently during the trial.

An obvious question is how did he get away with it - why did people believe these "detectors" would ever work?

I think the key answer is bribery and corruption. He gave massive bribes to government officials in Iraq to sign the purchase contracts (at least that is what I heard on the news). They never believed that they worked, and the people (Iraqi soldiers) manning the check points were just told that these things worked by those higher up and just took it on trust.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Alana on May 02, 2013, 09:53:12 pm
Found this iphone charger on facebook. Snake oil or working device?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=469596136443429&set=a.139188862817493.25247.139188202817559&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=469596136443429&set=a.139188862817493.25247.139188202817559&type=1)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: hepcat on May 06, 2013, 01:03:13 am
Quote
<snip>
  I do think that Rife's research is promising,  <snip>



Yes, Rife's research is promising, but the problem is that almost nothing of what is today called "Rife", has any real connection to what Rife did.  Rife's name and legacy have been highjacked by quacks and charlatans for their own gain.  That ad for the zapper is just one example.  Very few people have a clear understanding of what Rife is about, and even fewer care about rigorously replicating what he did.

You might be interested to read a brief introduction to the subject that I wrote for a web site:
http://riferesearch.org/ (http://riferesearch.org/)

Regards,


Jason
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: GeoffS on May 06, 2013, 08:34:04 am

You might be interested to read a brief introduction to the subject that I wrote for a web site:
http://riferesearch.org/ (http://riferesearch.org/)


Still sounds like a duck to me.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: bitwelder on May 06, 2013, 05:06:14 pm
Apologies if this has been already posted, but if not the 'Window Socket' deserves a place here: :bullshit: 
http://ibnlive.in.com/photogallery/13364.html (http://ibnlive.in.com/photogallery/13364.html)  :palm:

(http://static.ibnlive.in.com/pix/slideshow/05-2013/solar-window-socket/main-1-charger-050513.jpg)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Thor-Arne on May 06, 2013, 05:26:03 pm
What the ......  :o  :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: elgonzo on May 06, 2013, 05:55:05 pm
Apologies if this has been already posted, but if not the 'Window Socket' deserves a place here: :bullshit: 
http://ibnlive.in.com/photogallery/13364.html (http://ibnlive.in.com/photogallery/13364.html)  :palm:

Amazing product. It will charge your smartphone in less than 6 months*...
(*Scientifically measured in a certified laboratory, simulating 24h-sunshine-day-without-night cycles.)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SeanB on May 06, 2013, 05:59:28 pm
Theoretically it does work, provided the load is well under 1W.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on May 06, 2013, 06:03:06 pm
Theoretically it does work, provided the load is well under 1W.

With the size of that solar panel I'd say the load would have to be well under 1 mW...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SeanB on May 06, 2013, 06:33:58 pm
1W, at the equator, at noon, facing up and with a window glass 0.1mm thick. On a good day, with luck.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: codeboy2k on May 07, 2013, 07:34:37 am
 :o  It says once charged it lasts up to 10 hours, so I assume there's a lipo battery inside, a DC-DC boost converter to get the high voltage, and a square wave AC inverter. Even so, it's a feat if it actually delivers on its promises.

It may take 3 days to charge though

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: IvoS on May 07, 2013, 07:03:26 pm
I have a good one here: http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/ (http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/)  :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SeanB on May 07, 2013, 07:08:36 pm
So black paint in a bottle..........
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on May 07, 2013, 07:31:11 pm
Quote
Attention: This product is no longer available for sale.

It's application is limited exclusively to the Altmann Superlative DAC, the Altmann Attraction DAC, the Altmann BYOB amplifier and the Altmann Deliberate Creation ADC.

Hmm... I wonder why it's no longer available...

I love the name "Altmann Superlative DAC". I can think of a few superlatives...  ::)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Pentode on May 26, 2013, 08:18:52 am
This ought to work  :-+

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.rarenergia.com.br/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drar%2Benergia%2Bltda%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1242%26bih (http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.rarenergia.com.br/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drar%2Benergia%2Bltda%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1242%26bih)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Bored@Work on May 26, 2013, 09:02:25 am
This ought to work  :-+

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.rarenergia.com.br/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drar%2Benergia%2Bltda%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1242%26bih (http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.rarenergia.com.br/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drar%2Benergia%2Bltda%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1242%26bih)

They invested a lot of steel in their scam.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: jancumps on May 26, 2013, 09:30:07 am
This ought to work  :-+

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.rarenergia.com.br/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drar%2Benergia%2Bltda%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1242%26bih (http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.rarenergia.com.br/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drar%2Benergia%2Bltda%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1242%26bih)

They invested a lot of steel in their scam.

and we are going to deplete our gravity reserve as soon as we start to tap from it!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: justanothercanuck on May 26, 2013, 09:37:02 am
I wonder what kind of horsepower they need to turn that crankshaft...  eek.  :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: BravoV on May 26, 2013, 09:55:49 am
This ought to work  :-+

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.rarenergia.com.br/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drar%2Benergia%2Bltda%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1242%26bih (http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.rarenergia.com.br/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drar%2Benergia%2Bltda%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1242%26bih)

They invested a lot of steel in their scam.

Either true scam or pure stupidity aside, I guess we have to admit that it is quite an investment they've made.

Eager to hear what kind of excuses they will make once the whole thing is finished and ready to run, lack of proper grease ?   :-DD >:D
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Bored@Work on May 26, 2013, 10:05:21 am
Eager to hear what kind of excuses they will make once the whole thing is finished and ready to run, lack of proper grease ?   :-DD >:D

Or the establishment conspiring against them so they couldn't finish building it / weren't allowed to finish it / couldn't obtain that one specific magic part needed to magically push the leavers back up against gravity.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: jancumps on May 26, 2013, 10:25:41 am
Eager to hear what kind of excuses they will make once the whole thing is finished and ready to run, lack of proper grease ?   :-DD >:D

Curious too. But what will we do when they let the system power itself up and it starts to deliver a constant stream of gigawatt ?







 ;)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: brainwash on May 26, 2013, 01:25:23 pm
It's scary that someone who is able to design such a contraption is using the words "perpetual machine". They are probably out there designing bridges and skyscrapers for our "benefit".
Provided the roller-bearings are good they will undergo a testing stage where the shaft will be spun up without load and continue to spin for a while, thus proving the concept. Unfortunately once the load is attached it will take some time for it to sync with the gravity field of the earth, thus requiring constant rewinding of the shaft.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SeanB on May 26, 2013, 01:33:52 pm
If it works it will be nice, but otherwise it will be a very nice piece of kinetic are, worthy of a place in some exhibit at least. Will need to be a big hall though, looking at the size of the cranes used in assembly.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Balaur on May 26, 2013, 04:19:20 pm
http://www.slideshare.net/eQ-EnergyIntelligence/how-to-use-a-plugmeter-8447813 (http://www.slideshare.net/eQ-EnergyIntelligence/how-to-use-a-plugmeter-8447813)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: brainwash on May 26, 2013, 04:34:42 pm
If it works it will be nice, but otherwise it will be a very nice piece of kinetic are, worthy of a place in some exhibit at least. Will need to be a big hall though, looking at the size of the cranes used in assembly.
ummm, ok....
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: codeboy2k on May 26, 2013, 05:51:35 pm
This looks like a government funded/assisted "make-work" project, meaning that it exists to keep a number of people employed for a few years, with the help of government and private funding.  The project will go on until it's no longer viable, and then it will cease to be... that will take about 10-15 years... each year the corporation will do a sales pitch get more funding, because they are "almost there".... In the end, nothing will come of it.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: BravoV on May 26, 2013, 06:02:47 pm
If it works it will be nice, but otherwise it will be a very nice piece of kinetic are, worthy of a place in some exhibit at least. Will need to be a big hall though, looking at the size of the cranes used in assembly.

Well, "IF" it works, expect the whole world will feel a bit lighter, cause that machine is sucking and consuming the earth's gravity.  :-DD  >:D

About that machine placed in the perpetual engines hall of fame shame if it failed, don't think the owner will love this idea.  :scared:
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Pentode on May 26, 2013, 09:42:57 pm
Don't be so cynical.
I think it is going to work.
Look how BIG it is!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: lemmegraphdat on May 26, 2013, 10:17:17 pm
"We don't feel that the experiment was a failure." " We have simply found another way that the mechanism of gravity powered electrical generation does not work." " The theory is still sound." "Thomas Edison said much the same thing about his light bulb." " In the spirit of Thomas Edison we will press on."
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on May 27, 2013, 08:42:56 am
Where do the buckets go on that machine, and what is wrong with a water wheel,that is a gravity engine so what ever else they cannot claim that this is the first gravity engine.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Pentode on May 28, 2013, 04:58:09 am
Oh my!  :-DD
http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=20 (http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=20)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Bored@Work on May 28, 2013, 05:14:57 am
Oh my!  :-DD
http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=20 (http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=20)
Quote

OUR PURPOSE:
This group is focused on discussing all aspects, physical and spiritual, of building and using the Croft Cloudbuster/Chembuster, and related orgone-producing technologies.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on May 28, 2013, 07:40:18 am
It gets worse, They are at it agin, given up the black helicopters and taken to white airplanes. :-DD

I took this from the link in the link above, total nut cases.

Written by Don Croft <terminator3@turbonet.com>
Edited, assembled, and originally posted by Stephanie Relfe at http//www.metatech.org

Definition of a contrail:  A contrail occurs when a plane travels at a high altitude (about 30,000 ft. or more) and compresses the air into a water vapor or ice crystals through jet engines or the wing tips pushing through the air. This trail disappears after anywhere from a few seconds to 15 minutes, as the water vapor evaporates.

Definition of a chemtrail: The term "chemtrail" is a relatively new word, which appeared in the last few years along with the appearance of chemtrails. A chemtrail is very different from a contrail. At first a chemtrail might look a bit like a contrail. However, instead of disappearing like a contrail does, a chemtrail just keeps spreading out and forming a hazy cloud bankout and forming a hazy cloud bank These trails traverse the whole sky and stay for up to around five or even eight hours. .   .

They have been known to turn what was originally a clear blue sky into a grey haze. (Note: As of Nov 2001 there are already several dozen Chembusters in seven countries, so if you see chemtrails that don't last anywhere near this long, there may already be a Chembuster in the area). It is believed chemtrails are composed at least in part by an oil based substance of unknown content that is actually being sprayed from jets on populated areas. It has also been found that some chemtrails contain red blood cells, aluminum, mycoplasma, viruses and other unknown biological components. There are many reports of increased diseases, especially respiratory ailments, in areas where there are chemtrails.

Chemtrails are often seen to be sprayed by white planes with no markings. Sometimes you will see these planes give off no contrail at all, and immediately after the same kind of plane in the same area will start to leave a thick chemtrail. At other times, distinct short gaps in chemtrails have been photographed, as though the plane ran out of chemicals and then had to start spraying with a new supply. :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: lemmegraphdat on May 29, 2013, 10:00:15 pm
Oh my!  :-DD
http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=20 (http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters/?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=20)
Oh man, these people were born to be screwed with.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Alana on May 29, 2013, 10:50:21 pm
Don't even bother. Such people are so much into their beliefs that they say that scientific knowledge was manipulated in order to keep people from the source/god or whatever they call it. IMO most of them qualifies for psychiatric treatment but neither them or their surroundings find it necessary.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: 4to20Milliamps on May 29, 2013, 11:50:19 pm
if microsoft is in on it you know it's an evil plan to take over the world.......

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_round_up/482584/bill_gates_cloudwhitening_trials_a_dangerous_experiment.html (http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_round_up/482584/bill_gates_cloudwhitening_trials_a_dangerous_experiment.html)


Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: firewalker on June 10, 2013, 05:21:59 pm
The Best EMF Protection: High Quality, Effective, Affordable.

http://emfblues.com/ (http://emfblues.com/)

At least they only ask for 16$.

Alexander.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: lemmegraphdat on June 11, 2013, 12:18:48 am
The Best EMF Protection: High Quality, Effective, Affordable.

http://emfblues.com/ (http://emfblues.com/)

At least they only ask for 16$.

Alexander.
I just sent 'em an email. I am going to get an EV and I want some heavy duty protection from all them waves.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on June 15, 2013, 04:53:59 pm
The Best EMF Protection: High Quality, Effective, Affordable.

http://emfblues.com/ (http://emfblues.com/)

At least they only ask for 16$.

Alexander.

"Our small family business produces ceramic dielectric resonators which are individually made, by hand, with love and intention to absorb harmful emanations and rebroadcast the energy in neutral to beneficial ranges."

Love conquers all!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: CodyShaw on June 21, 2013, 03:54:55 pm
Not sure if this was posted here, but I was wondering if this is legit or not.

http://www.hecsllc.com/research.html (http://www.hecsllc.com/research.html)

It presumes that certain animals that would be hunted have eye sensory into the microwave frequency range, and that this jacket will act as a block to this EMF coming off your body.

Seems like a load of bullshit. Does anyone have any further information on this? I have a gut feeling that deer and turkeys wouldn't be able to see that far into the EMF spectrum.

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Sionyn on June 24, 2013, 07:06:54 pm
goop on a chip effects how it works

long story short
some guy has a high score there some rivalry he get challenged then has some 'expert' look at the arcade board via  a picture and clims their somthing wrong with it. he then claims a fault with a board as he sees goop on chip.

The King of Kong - part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZ9wXO8RVs#ws)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: _Sin on July 03, 2013, 09:19:11 am
Does anyone need a USB cable?

http://www.lightharmonic.com/lightspeed.html (http://www.lightharmonic.com/lightspeed.html)

Bargain, at just under $1400!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: JoeyP on July 05, 2013, 07:07:03 pm
Rednecks discover solar power (company claims it works just fine in Australia as well):

http://www.power4patriots.com/ (http://www.power4patriots.com/)

Note: If you decide to watch the video, either do it on an empty stomach, or have a bucket near by.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on July 05, 2013, 07:15:25 pm
Note: If you decide to watch the video, either do it on an empty stomach, or have a bucket near by.

Their home page already made me hurl. Twice. Are you saying the video is worse?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: CodyShaw on July 05, 2013, 07:54:07 pm
Rednecks discover solar power (company claims it works just fine in Australia as well):

http://www.power4patriots.com/ (http://www.power4patriots.com/)

Note: If you decide to watch the video, either do it on an empty stomach, or have a bucket near by.

27 bucks? Someone should buy one and send it to Dave for a teardown....
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: JoeyP on July 05, 2013, 08:01:55 pm
Note: If you decide to watch the video, either do it on an empty stomach, or have a bucket near by.

Their home page already made me hurl. Twice. Are you saying the video is worse?

Ya, it truly is. The accent alone made me queasy. I couldn't finish it. If anyone does, let me know how it ends!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: JoeyP on July 05, 2013, 08:03:07 pm
Rednecks discover solar power (company claims it works just fine in Australia as well):

http://www.power4patriots.com/ (http://www.power4patriots.com/)

Note: If you decide to watch the video, either do it on an empty stomach, or have a bucket near by.

27 bucks? Someone should buy one and send it to Dave for a teardown....

I'm not sure there's anything to tear down. I get the impression they're just selling "plans".
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on July 05, 2013, 08:16:15 pm
"I've been told that this video has recently been banned by Google!"

:-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD

What a twit...

"I'm a red-blooded Ahmurrican!"
"Blah blah blah $1000s for solar panels, or they'd try to sell me ... cheap parts from China!"  |O
"Crack the Solar Code."
"Building your own super-efficient 70 watt solar panels" - 70W? So... one light bulb worth of power each?
"The solar secrets that the big energy companies have been keeping to themselves!"
"The best source for parts for your wind turbine (including some surprising items you may already have lying around the house)" - chewing gum and string?
"Under $200 in materials!" :-DD
"Those same folks who said you were overreacting may be begging for your help one day."

Oh, he's kind of entertaining...
Title: The snake oil thread...
Post by: madshaman on July 05, 2013, 10:16:44 pm
"I've been told that this video has recently been banned by Google!"

:-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD

What a twit...

"I'm a red-blooded Ahmurrican!"
"Blah blah blah $1000s for solar panels, or they'd try to sell me ... cheap parts from China!"  |O
"Crack the Solar Code."
"Building your own super-efficient 70 watt solar panels" - 70W? So... one light bulb worth of power each?
"The solar secrets that the big energy companies have been keeping to themselves!"
"The best source for parts for your wind turbine (including some surprising items you may already have lying around the house)" - chewing gum and string?
"Under $200 in materials!" :-DD
"Those same folks who said you were overreacting may be begging for your help one day."

Oh, he's kind of entertaining...

70 watts is decent for a single panel, although he doesn't really state what this number means.

It's funny though, I don't know why I'm agonising over the maximim power point and power conversion and distribution circuitry of my own humble solar project, doing all this silly math and design and prototyping when I could just find an "underground" dude who will show me the secrets that the evil government won't let everyone know.

I've lived too long in the naive world where pretty much every advance and approach to solar power generation, storage, distribution and conversion is available through journal articles, most of which are available to any ieee library subscriber.

I had *no* idea there were scientific secrets that the public wasn't allowed to know.

So naive am I...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: amyk on July 06, 2013, 11:50:20 am
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Apower4patriots.com+pdf (http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Apower4patriots.com+pdf)
:-DD

Their "manual" looks like a kid in highschool wrote it.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Excavatoree on July 10, 2013, 12:34:38 am
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Apower4patriots.com+pdf (http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Apower4patriots.com+pdf)
:-DD

Their "manual" looks like a kid in highschool wrote it.

"Light is comprised of packets of energy which are known as photos.  When photos strike the solar cell, one of three things will occur.  The photos will be reflected, they will be absorbed or they will pass directly through the solar cell."




Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: jh15 on July 21, 2013, 03:20:28 am
Chekhov, fire the photo torpedoes.  I need to make a postcard of the Enterprise to send home.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on August 01, 2013, 08:38:09 pm
Heard about this on the Amp Hour : http://outbooster.com/ (http://outbooster.com/)

clearly bullshit, probably an empty  box or some components that do nothing.

I tried to order one to teardown (and x-ray) but got a refund with bullshit explanation about not shipping internationally until they "get their patent registered" and that they'd not yet updated their website to remove the international option.
 
Also tried getting someone (who has a big online presence) to order one for me & they also got a refund with a strange explanation.
Can find nothing online from anyone who has actually seen one.

So is it a real scam product or just an out & out scam?


Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: brainwash on August 01, 2013, 09:05:26 pm
I think this quote from their site answers all the questions:
Quote
Techie Answer: The secret is with the built-in micro circuit chip working alongside the magnets. OutBooster is a smart device, meaning it also has incremental PoE injection through a long life micro battery to support its functioning.
OutBooster starts by reducing packet loss and forcing reverse magnetism (known as magnetic polarity). We have reversed the magnetic polarity to work in favor of the incoming bandwidth signal, and thus outputs a cleaner and louder signal to the rest of the network by forcing the packets out at a faster rate. Think QoS on caffeine. We then partner the above patented process with Gold plated 1000BASE-T Gigabit connections and plug and play functionality to round the hardware side out.

Anything involving magnets and/or "quantum" is hogwash.

Quote
Simple Answer: Think about having a phone conversation, but everything you said was delayed by 30 seconds to the person you were talking to AND everything they said came back with every third or fourth word instead of the full text. ... Well your Internet service works in much the same manner. Now, think about OutBooster as the better “operator” in this situation between you and the person you are talking to – your conversation is clear, instant, and louder.

Why would you want to do packet reordering, if that is indeed what it does? It will only slow down things, not speed them up.
Ok, my guess as to what's inside: a microcontroller that lights up some leds, maybe according to the activity. Rather randomly, or by an arbitrary metric, a green "boost" LED is fired, indicating the device is doing its job. 'Patented' magnets are placed near the UTP conduit inside.

I wonder if the targeted buyers are aware that this device can very well be a sniffer or a trojan for botnets.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: JoeyP on August 01, 2013, 09:19:33 pm
Heard about this on the Amp Hour : http://outbooster.com/ (http://outbooster.com/)

So is it a real scam product or just an out & out scam?

That is one classic example of snake oil! Hilarious site. So many incongruent statements that it hurts my brain to read it. My bet: Out and out scam - probably just collecting lists of credit card numbers to sell to even bigger criminals. Probably will never ship a physical example of the "product" to anyone.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: cyr on August 01, 2013, 09:27:36 pm
The thing in the photos looks like a standard RJ45 coupler, with a sticker on it.

At least it can be used to boost the length of your network cable...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: amyk on August 02, 2013, 03:29:55 am
If there were some sort of filtering components in there, could it have some beneficial effect on signal integrity?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Stonent on August 02, 2013, 03:36:19 am
Heard about this on the Amp Hour : http://outbooster.com/ (http://outbooster.com/)

clearly bullshit, probably an empty  box or some components that do nothing.

I tried to order one to teardown (and x-ray) but got a refund with bullshit explanation about not shipping internationally until they "get their patent registered" and that they'd not yet updated their website to remove the international option.
 
Also tried getting someone (who has a big online presence) to order one for me & they also got a refund with a strange explanation.
Can find nothing online from anyone who has actually seen one.

So is it a real scam product or just an out & out scam?

Don't know but their product info page does say they ship internationally.

It doesn't have any valid technical base though. Ethernet CAT5e cable is rated to 1Gbit or 350MHz for 100 Meters.
There's nothing you can do to make that better.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Stonent on August 02, 2013, 03:43:40 am
If there were some sort of filtering components in there, could it have some beneficial effect on signal integrity?

Maybe just looping it through a small ferrite bead?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on August 02, 2013, 07:47:07 am
I have just been looking around Google and can find no reference to any patent for the outboster just links to the outbooster site  and references to other names in relation to outbooster. :-//
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: amyk on August 02, 2013, 10:36:26 am
Apparently they've also tried crowfunding. (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/outbooster-a-internet-speed-booster-for-slow-connections-and-weak-signals)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: JoeyP on August 02, 2013, 04:53:29 pm
If there were some sort of filtering components in there, could it have some beneficial effect on signal integrity?

Maybe just looping it through a small ferrite bead?

You guys are trying too hard to find a way to believe that it might work. It's pure snake oil. One of their claims is that if you have a weak signal (e.g. an analog issue on the RF side of the modem), that this device will somehow speed up the transfer rate on the digital side of the modem. Think about it. That's a non sequitur.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on August 02, 2013, 06:27:00 pm
If there were some sort of filtering components in there, could it have some beneficial effect on signal integrity?
None that would do anything useful, however if there was something inside, at least they'd have more chance of fooling  stupid people into believing it did something.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: brainwash on August 02, 2013, 06:46:25 pm
There aren't any signal integrity issues, this is supposed to go between your modem and your router. In a typical home that's between 0 cm and 10 meters. Plus, ethernet does not really have a signal level/integrity, it either works or it doesn't, unlike wifi. Again, I'm talking about a typical setup, no need to go into details.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on August 02, 2013, 07:00:40 pm
Plus, ethernet does not really have a signal level/integrity, it either works or it doesn't, unlike wifi.

Not to give this thing any help with its bullshit - but you could definitely call your distance from "it doesn't work" the signal level, even if most Ethernet transceivers don't measure or report this.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: brainwash on August 02, 2013, 07:09:48 pm
It's the frame error rate that drives auto-negotiation, so it's pretty much proportional to the noise level and inversely to the signal level. I very much doubt connectors and cables are a problem in a SOHO environment. If they are, this device has hardly any chance to improve on anything.

If it was the days of BNC cables and connectors then I might have "bought" it (the joke). I was stretching hundreds of meters of cables back then between apartment buildings to share our internet connection and it sucked when the terminator came off at one end or the cable was not properly crimped.

I don't know why I'm diving so much into this, it's absolutely clear that it does nothing, even IF there is anything in the box. Modern-day routers have a lot of capabilities and if this was an issue it would have been sorted out already. Heck, my current modem/router is many times smarter than the first PC I owned.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: CodyShaw on August 02, 2013, 08:01:12 pm
I feel like whenever someone makes a commercial for their product with that super fake "hand speedily drawing" video enhancement, it's gotta be bullshit.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: MasterOfNone on August 02, 2013, 08:04:51 pm
So my broadband speed is rated at upto 60Mbs and my Ethernet connection to my Cable Router is rated at 100Mbs. So increasing the speed of the Ethernet connection between my PCs and Cable Router will improve my internet access speed even though the bottleneck in my system is between my Cable router and ISP, not between my Computers and Cable Router. And even if my Broadband speed was a lot lower this device would still improve my connection speed, not by tackling the bottleneck in the system but by increasing the speed to the bottleneck.
I might order two and put them in series, because maybe just maybe my internet connection will be so fast I’ll be able to post things before I’ve actually written them, or see things before they have been posted. Wait why buy only two when I could be looking at next weeks lottery results :-DD
Title: OMGF ... he's measuring mains with Cheap meter not healthy ...
Post by: eevblogfan on August 10, 2013, 12:06:19 pm
not just that ! ... damm ... he put Mains through the wrong way  :-DD  ( notice that only after he connected the "vacuum cleaner " ... the lights came on ... stupid ass  :blah:


FREE ENERGY GENERATOR LASER 2 3D (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIMOG1vJ5h8#ws)

ohh .. and he's camera work  :palm:

I guess I should ask : Why the hell  is he even try ?

Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Orpheus on August 16, 2013, 02:44:10 am
I feel like whenever someone makes a commercial for their product with that super fake "hand speedily drawing" video enhancement, it's gotta be bullshit.

Really?

That's a serious question. I've been a fan of the RSA Animate style for years, long before it was cool (I'd been blown away by "scribers", who do this live at speaking events, long before that.)

I ask because I'm planning a project which may go to Kickstarter, and plan to use RSAnimation as the backbone of my video. Am I blinded by my own long fondness of this style? Is it 'over'?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: PStevenson on August 31, 2013, 07:02:19 pm
My friend likes finding youtube videos that he knows will annoy the living piss out of me and he came across this one
about audiophilery
the guy hosting the videos makes those ridiculous cables and talks about needing faraday cages for crosstalk prevention etc.
but what made me want to share it with you fine people is the video he did on "tweaking CDs"
now I'm sure a lot of you are aware of the coating the rim of CDs with a marker to make them sound better - the origin of which was an april fools joke gone awry printed by some hi fi or electronics magazine back when CDs were new.

well he has done a video explaining how to "tweak" CDs to make them sound "cleaner" using this method.

now watch and enjoy this youtube channel of utter shit http://youtu.be/bodniyBVABQ (http://youtu.be/bodniyBVABQ)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: sync on August 31, 2013, 08:51:56 pm
now watch and enjoy this youtube channel of utter shit http://youtu.be/bodniyBVABQ (http://youtu.be/bodniyBVABQ)
:palm:

From the same channel: Oddiophile Ep 10 BUILD YOUR OWN POWER 3 pt 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apkhJVbsRzA#ws)
Build your own high-end power cord. With solid core wire! :o
Yeah, "Burning down the house" sounds much better now!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: brainwash on August 31, 2013, 10:29:16 pm
That guy seems genuinely nice and has a bit of knowledge as well, even admitting a bit that 'audiophile' means convincing yourself that a lot of money should bring improvement. Shame he believes in his stuff, it's like humanity lost another being. I honestly believed it was a joke, given the channel name, wacky intro and CD hack.

I have a really nice friend that is into electronics and mechanics as well and is well-versed. However, he has been repairing and tuning his beat-up bike for a few years now, each time claiming a 10-100 horsepower increase. That bike should be well over 1000 by now.
I had a nice girlfriend once who convinced herself of many things since childhood. It's a shame she had to go, but one loose screw meant a possible breakdown down the road.
We have a word for them: liars. It they believe it it doesn't make it true.


Mild offtopic but I was 90% convinced the practice of adding decreasingly small filtering caps in parallel to power supplies was falling into the same category as audiophile. Same thing was happening with rectifier diodes. Now I'm not really sure, in fact I'm leaning the other way, given that both caps and diodes have inverse proportional bandwidth given a capacity/amperage. Still not sure how that works with 50/60Hz but maybe someone can enlighten me.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: bitwelder on September 01, 2013, 06:14:41 am
now watch and enjoy this youtube channel of utter shit http://youtu.be/bodniyBVABQ (http://youtu.be/bodniyBVABQ)
Yay! Uploaded in June 2009, 7 thumbs-up, 8 thumbs-down. I call it a success  ;D
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: brainwash on September 01, 2013, 06:20:56 am
The guy with the socket and vacuum cleaner had a ratio of likes/dislikes of ~33/66 which is kind of scary. That means that one third of the audience is completely retarded. You can see the ratio by going foolscreen (:D) and clicking the little "i" button at the top.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Mysion on September 03, 2013, 09:26:47 pm
Make it 10 thumbs down!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: crisr on September 04, 2013, 01:32:51 am
I think this quote from their site answers all the questions:
Quote
Techie Answer: The secret is with the built-in micro circuit chip working alongside the magnets. OutBooster is a smart device, meaning it also has incremental PoE injection through a long life micro battery to support its functioning.
OutBooster starts by reducing packet loss and forcing reverse magnetism (known as magnetic polarity). We have reversed the magnetic polarity to work in favor of the incoming bandwidth signal, and thus outputs a cleaner and louder signal to the rest of the network by forcing the packets out at a faster rate. Think QoS on caffeine. We then partner the above patented process with Gold plated 1000BASE-T Gigabit connections and plug and play functionality to round the hardware side out.
_ Must... reverse... proton beam... polarity...  :-/O
_ Are you sure it will work, Egon?
_ It's one shot in one thousand, but it's our only chance!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: David_AVD on September 11, 2013, 06:56:33 am
Yesterday I was looking for the 3G stick for my laptop so was searching every pocket of the bag.  The laptop and bag were bought 2nd hand a few years ago.

Anyway, I found something interesting in one of the more inaccessible pockets.  At first I thought it was an RFID tag, but a quick Google search turned up this page:

http://www.qlinkproducts.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=98 (http://www.qlinkproducts.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=98)

After a short read, I was left thinking WTF !!!!
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: amyk on September 11, 2013, 11:50:53 am
http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/the-amazing-qlink-science-pedant/ (http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/the-amazing-qlink-science-pedant/)
It does look very much like an RFID tag though.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: garak on September 11, 2013, 06:33:15 pm
http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/the-amazing-qlink-science-pedant/ (http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/the-amazing-qlink-science-pedant/)
It does look very much like an RFID tag though.

What's the betting that if you read it out it contains an ASCII string of "You're a gullible twit!" or suchlike?
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Corporate666 on September 11, 2013, 09:22:22 pm
Yesterday I was looking for the 3G stick for my laptop so was searching every pocket of the bag.  The laptop and bag were bought 2nd hand a few years ago.

Anyway, I found something interesting in one of the more inaccessible pockets.  At first I thought it was an RFID tag, but a quick Google search turned up this page:

http://www.qlinkproducts.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=98 (http://www.qlinkproducts.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=98)

After a short read, I was left thinking WTF !!!!

It just means the last person who owned the bag before you was a cretin :)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: David_AVD on September 11, 2013, 10:10:49 pm
Yesterday I was looking for the 3G stick for my laptop so was searching every pocket of the bag.  The laptop and bag were bought 2nd hand a few years ago.

Anyway, I found something interesting in one of the more inaccessible pockets.  At first I thought it was an RFID tag, but a quick Google search turned up this page:

http://www.qlinkproducts.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=98 (http://www.qlinkproducts.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=98)

After a short read, I was left thinking WTF !!!!

It just means the last person who owned the bag before you was a cretin :)

A gullible one at that!   :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: crisr on September 12, 2013, 02:19:13 am
Whenever someone uses the word "energy" and there is no "Joules", "kcal", "Giga-electron-Volts" or even "Watts" to go along, I know it is not supposed to be taken seriously.  :blah: Especially if "energy" is qualified by "negative" or "positive".  ::)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Orpheus on September 13, 2013, 07:48:38 pm
In the grand tradition of "touched by miracle" artifacts, GodParticle4U (http://godparticle4u.com/) is hawkin' random nuts, bolts, ball bearings from CERN as holy relics.

"You deserve God's Help. You Deserve God's Particle"

I don't even know where to begin... so I leave that to you.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: G7PSK on September 13, 2013, 09:09:03 pm
I wonder how many ball races are within the reaction chambers at Cern, I suspect none. :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: Orpheus on September 13, 2013, 11:13:47 pm
Probably more than nails, which they also advertise.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: SeanB on September 14, 2013, 06:35:15 am
Whole lot of wood will be there as shoring during construction and as parts of office spaces and such. Nails and wood go together, even parts will be delivered in wooden packing crates.

My father ordered some very large equipment from a Swedish supplier, and with the amount of certified pathogen free chemically treated lumber that was used in the packaging crates they were supplied in he was able to build a house. As a subsidiary of the company was a roofing supplier they even shipped a roof for the building as part of the package ( shielding panels) with all mounting hardware, and a very long assembly instruction and warranty at no extra cost for him.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...The QuWave Defender™
Post by: Noize on October 01, 2013, 02:28:48 am
ARE YOU CONSTANTLY BEING:   
Treated like a Targeted Individual?
Attacked by Psychotronic Weapons?
Subjected to Psychic Attacks?
Subject to Remote Brain Manipulation?
Have you been chipped or implanted?[/t] • Subjected to Electronic Harassment?
Exposed to HAARP ELF Microwave beams?
Subject of Voice to Skull experiments?
Subjected to Remote Viewing & Visions?
Are you on a TI list being Monitored?    If you answered yes to any of the above, then you might be a Targeted Individual, and you might need the QuWave Defender. It can improve your life and make daily living bearable.

How the QuWave Defender helps TI's
The QuWave Defender is a specially tuned version of the QuWave product line. Tuned to special Scalar Frequencies to achieve a dedicated function and achieve specific results to help Targeted Individuals who are subjected to Electronic Harassment.
 
 
  The QuWave "Defender" produces a Scalar Field specially tuned to protect your body & brain from “Psychotronic Attacks“ and Electronic Harassment.
Effective defense from: ELF, EHF, HAARP, Implants, Microwaves, Psychic Attacks, Remote Viewing/Manipulation, V2K, Mind Control, etc.
The Scalar Field interferes with external & internal negative harmful signals.
The Solfeggio Waves convert electronic and psychic attacks to positive energy and strengthen the human Bio-field.
By directly modulating a Scalar Wave with Solfeggio Frequencies, we are able to beam them directly to your sub-consciousness. Directly into your body/brain to restore natural balance, protection, and improve brain waves. 


 :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD

http://www.quwave.com/defender.html?gclid=CKyVluHm87kCFVMdtAodVxQArw (http://www.quwave.com/defender.html?gclid=CKyVluHm87kCFVMdtAodVxQArw)[/t][/c][/t]
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: c4757p on October 01, 2013, 02:35:38 am
Well it must work... I always have mine with me and I've never been subjected to a psychic attack...
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: David_AVD on October 01, 2013, 03:21:07 am
Well it must work... I always have mine with me and I've never been subjected to a psychic attack...

Are you sure?  Perhaps "they" erased the memory afterwards?   :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: digsys on October 01, 2013, 04:03:31 am
Quote from: David_AVD
   Are you sure?  Perhaps "they" erased the memory afterwards?   :-DD   
SHIT !!! That's what must have happened to me, when I woke up in a strange womens bedroom !!
It makes sense now !! The bastids .. I need one of those.
Title: hem...not really convinced...
Post by: djococaud on October 01, 2013, 11:58:41 am
Hi, eveyone ! My First post on this forum !
I wanted to show you something funny...
I'm not convinced by this product !
What do you think about it ? (My sister showed it to me and I'm still laughing  :-DD)

sorry for big pictures but you won't be able to read if I donwnsize them too much.

(http://jonathancocaud.free.fr/share/20130929_114945.jpg)
(http://jonathancocaud.free.fr/share/20130929_114956.jpg)
(http://jonathancocaud.free.fr/share/20130929_115027.jpg)
(http://jonathancocaud.free.fr/share/20130929_115130.jpg)
Title: Re: hem...not really convinced...
Post by: wraper on October 01, 2013, 12:12:26 pm
Such scams appeared a long time ago. This is advanced, with neodymium magnet. It even does something, not just useless sticker, I bet compass in the phone will stop to work normally, it should also collect ferromagnetic dust  :-DD.
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...The QuWave Defender™
Post by: G7PSK on October 01, 2013, 03:37:44 pm
ARE YOU CONSTANTLY BEING:   
Treated like a Targeted Individual?
Attacked by Psychotronic Weapons?
Subjected to Psychic Attacks?
Subject to Remote Brain Manipulation?
Have you been chipped or implanted?[/t] • Subjected to Electronic Harassment?
Exposed to HAARP ELF Microwave beams?
Subject of Voice to Skull experiments?
Subjected to Remote Viewing & Visions?
Are you on a TI list being Monitored?    If you answered yes to any of the above, then you might be a Targeted Individual, and you might need the QuWave Defender. It can improve your life and make daily living bearable.

How the QuWave Defender helps TI's
The QuWave Defender is a specially tuned version of the QuWave product line. Tuned to special Scalar Frequencies to achieve a dedicated function and achieve specific results to help Targeted Individuals who are subjected to Electronic Harassment.
 
 
  The QuWave "Defender" produces a Scalar Field specially tuned to protect your body & brain from “Psychotronic Attacks“ and Electronic Harassment.
Effective defense from: ELF, EHF, HAARP, Implants, Microwaves, Psychic Attacks, Remote Viewing/Manipulation, V2K, Mind Control, etc.
The Scalar Field interferes with external & internal negative harmful signals.
The Solfeggio Waves convert electronic and psychic attacks to positive energy and strengthen the human Bio-field.
By directly modulating a Scalar Wave with Solfeggio Frequencies, we are able to beam them directly to your sub-consciousness. Directly into your body/brain to restore natural balance, protection, and improve brain waves. 


 :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD

http://www.quwave.com/defender.html?gclid=CKyVluHm87kCFVMdtAodVxQArw (http://www.quwave.com/defender.html?gclid=CKyVluHm87kCFVMdtAodVxQArw)[/t][/c][/t]

If you answered yes to any of these questions you need a psychiatrist not a Quwave. :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...The QuWave Defender™
Post by: elgonzo on October 01, 2013, 03:46:10 pm
Effective defense from: ELF, EHF, HAARP, Implants, Microwaves, Psychic Attacks

I really need that device. My level is too low to fight elves and harpies.
Something that disables implants and other perks of enemies would also be nice.
Is EHF a boss? What class and level is he?

 :-DD

Title: Re: hem...not really convinced...
Post by: djococaud on October 01, 2013, 04:32:33 pm
Oh yeah, I didn't think of the compas lol ! :palm:

The worst thing is that they sell it 10 euros! (13.52 USD) |O
Title: Snake Oil ,,,
Post by: madshaman on October 01, 2013, 05:30:21 pm
Re: electro-psychic attack bs thing.

Am I only one who thinks it's beyond sick and totally disgusting that someone's gone to such efforts to take advantage of people in real pain who need real help?
Title: Re: Snake Oil ,,,
Post by: XOIIO on October 07, 2013, 08:54:28 am
Oh god, I'm gonna have a good time going through this thread, these free energy nuts or perpetual motion nuts are always funny.
Title: Re: Snake Oil ,,,
Post by: pstrag on October 08, 2013, 07:54:16 am
Very confusing trap for young players!

I found it interesting, that part of exhibition at the Museum of Science can be wired with errors, because of esthetic reasons. Please read first reply on this blog, where author of this display  responded.

http://blog.eepro.to/2013/05/voltmeter-wiring-error-at-museum-of.html (http://blog.eepro.to/2013/05/voltmeter-wiring-error-at-museum-of.html)

Title: Re: Snake Oil ,,,
Post by: MrProsser on October 08, 2013, 08:01:42 am
Wow, this is such a treasure trove of awesomely silly things! I am going to spend far to long going through this entire thread. One thing that always strikes me is how snake oil of all types operate through the same principals. For the last few years I have spent most of my time reading reading about medical snake oil, and in the end they all use the same techniques to con people, the same techniques to try to get back at their detractors. There are very similar broken thought process at work.
Title: $3300 "charge accelerator and toroid generator"
Post by: superUnknown on October 21, 2013, 04:18:02 am
EE quackery is alive and well!

http://quantamagnetics.com/ (http://quantamagnetics.com/)    :bullshit:
"The Q3 Charge Accelerator & Toriod Generator. An experimental generator designed as an alternative energy system element expansion, best used with low power solar input for charging of lead acid battery bank. The advanced Toroidal Generator addition provides extra  power output and allows for high voltage experiments."

:o
Title: Re: $3300 "charge accelerator and toroid generator"
Post by: SArepairman on October 21, 2013, 07:08:57 am
is this a Christmas gift wrapping device which takes six spools of Christmas ribbons and wraps 6 presents simultaneously?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: superUnknown on October 21, 2013, 03:16:35 pm
Ha ha, could be. You buy it and tell me how it works, k?
Title: Re: Snake Oil ,,,
Post by: superUnknown on October 21, 2013, 03:20:43 pm
Re: electro-psychic attack bs thing.

Am I only one who thinks it's beyond sick and totally disgusting that someone's gone to such efforts to take advantage of people in real pain who need real help?

Those guys are scum of the earth.
Really sad.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Tris20 on October 25, 2013, 01:41:42 pm
http://www.richersounds.com/product/all-headphones/jays/a-jays-four/jays-a-jays-4-iphone (http://www.richersounds.com/product/all-headphones/jays/a-jays-four/jays-a-jays-4-iphone)

"So what makes these iPhone compatible headphones special? Well, for a start take a look at the cable. The flat cable not only reduces the chance of tangle but also improves the sound quality. Just as with hi-fi speaker cables, better quality cable really does affect the ultimate sound quality. A further neat touch is the L-shaped plug that prevents snagging in your pocket and unwanted pressure on the headphone socket."

Since when did the shape of the cable determine the quality of signal? I must have missed that class at uni...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: ErikTheNorwegian on October 26, 2013, 03:04:30 pm
We are constantly bombarded with breaking scientific news in the media, but we are almost never provided with enough information to assess the truth of these claims. Does drinking coffee really cause cancer? Does bisphenol-A in our tin can linings really cause reproductive damage? Good Science, Bad Science, Pseudoscience, and Just Plain Bunk teaches readers how to think like a scientist to question claims like these more critically. Peter A. Daempfle introduces readers to the basics of scientific inquiry, defining what science is and how it can be misused. Through provocative real-world examples, the book helps readers acquire the tools needed to distinguish scientific truth from myth. The book celebrates science and its role in society while building scientific literacy.


Not a free download, link removed


(https://yuq.me/users/27/445/AjWD9tHhUE.png)

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: johansen on October 26, 2013, 08:21:40 pm
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FIX-REPAIR-REFURBISH-RENEW-Wind-Turbine-Battery-Bank-ACTUAL-CHEMICAL-MIX/190689284116 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/FIX-REPAIR-REFURBISH-RENEW-Wind-Turbine-Battery-Bank-ACTUAL-CHEMICAL-MIX/190689284116)

speaking of which.. the reason lead acid batteries these days are crap is because about 10 years ago all battery manufactuers world wide switched to lead-calcium grids instead of lead antimony.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on October 27, 2013, 03:24:13 pm
At one time it was possible to get tablets at garages that you dropped into batteries to desulfate them, I have tried them many years ago and found that any improvement did not last long and flushing the batteries and refilling with fresh acid was better.
Back then where I lived there was a company called Cambridge batteries that would take a battery apart and scrape the sulphate off the plates and replace any plates and or cells that needed it and then reseal the batteries all that was stopped with the advent of sealed plastic cases instead of the hard rubber ones that were sealed with pitch.
Title: Re: Snake Oil ,,,
Post by: JohnnyGringo on October 30, 2013, 06:45:19 pm
Re: electro-psychic attack bs thing.

Am I only one who thinks it's beyond sick and totally disgusting that someone's gone to such efforts to take advantage of people in real pain who need real help?

  The placebo affect is real. If this contraption helps alleviates someone's anxiety, even one iota, it's a low cost, least harmful crutch. I've got some on order for all my family.

  It's miles better than a tin foil hat, which we all know, only works with aliens.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: olsenn on October 30, 2013, 07:08:49 pm
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It's miles better than a tin foil hat, which we all know, only works with aliens

I've had great success with using tinfoil hats to get people of of the Zone of Zero Funkitivity by alleviating their unFunkiness (a combination of stupidity and no dancing).

Sir Nose is the master of the Placebo Syndrome; however, more harmful crutches than tinfoil hats are usually the first line of defense to raising the funk.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: JohnnyGringo on October 30, 2013, 07:16:06 pm
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It's miles better than a tin foil hat, which we all know, only works with aliens

I've had great success with using tinfoil hats to get people of of the Zone of Zero Funkitivity by alleviating their unFunkiness (a combination of stupidity and no dancing).

Sir Nose is the master of the Placebo Syndrome; however, more harmful crutches than tinfoil hats are usually the first line of defense to raising the funk.

I am dumbfounded by your clarity and wisdom. I am humbled in your light.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: IvoS on October 31, 2013, 12:16:20 pm
USB cable for merely $999 0.8m  :-DD
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/lightharmonic/1.html (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/lightharmonic/1.html)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: kxenos on October 31, 2013, 07:37:36 pm
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The K2 meter is made in the USA and easy to use. It is completely silent as measurement readings are indicated by a row of LED lights. As with many EMF meters, the K2 uses the mG (milliGauss) unit for the measurement of EMF’s and ranges from 0 to 20+ milliGauss and has a frequency of 50/60 Hz.

The meter features 5 LED lights, which each represent a particular field strength range.

LightGreen(Normal): 0-1.5 milliGauss
Dark Green (Low): 1.5 to 2.5 milliGauss
Yellow(Caution): 2.5 to 10 milliGauss
Orange (High): 10 to 20 millGauss
Red (Warning): 20+ milliGauss
This model has a push on/off switch, meaning that you do not need to hold the button during use.
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Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Phaedrus on October 31, 2013, 08:17:06 pm
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50/60 Hz

Hmmmmmmmmmm



Seems legit.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: c4757p on October 31, 2013, 08:44:58 pm
One was when a vase (closina) just started rocking back and forth in it's base. No one was near it, but both my girlfriend and I saw it.  She just walked into the room and let out this *frightening* yell. I turned around and saw it rocking, as well.  Eventually, it just wound down, and stopped.  This event, by itself, I'd just blow off and say WTF, but with all the other evidence...  BTW, I'm a born again atheist, and don't buy into the afterlife, after death, after-anything BS.

If it's able to rock, it has a resonant frequency. Perhaps something nearby was vibrating very near a harmonic of that frequency, and just happened to settle there for long enough to get it going.

Or you have ghosts. That's more fun.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: c4757p on October 31, 2013, 09:08:30 pm
Electrical/mechanical would be much more likely than electronic. Your TV isn't going to vibrate a vase, but the refrigerator could easily do that. Lots of vibrations at not completely stable frequencies.

Some things science can explain, some things we'll eventually be able to explain, and... For things like this, science will never be able to explain.

Of course, science can't test something that only happened once, but you can't really claim it's unable to explain something until it's been tried, can you?

Resonance seems the obvious answer to me.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on October 31, 2013, 09:39:06 pm
Try to explain this one. When my father in law died we had candles jumping out of their holders, the two candle sticks in question had been given to my wife by him, the candles came out so often that I looked for a reason and found that the candle stick had a ring bezel that the candles sat in that was free from the rest of the candle stick, so I took these rings of and pushed the candles right through the rings and then pushed a pin through the candle base riveting the candle in place if you pulled the candle the ring bezels came with them the next night the candles jumped up into the air and shot across the room, the bezels stayed in place on the candle stick, to stop this in the end I removed the candles and locked them in a draw. I have looked for a reason or how this occurred and cannot find any logical reason the force to pull the candle though the bezel stripping the pins is many time greater than that required to remove the bezels from the main body of the candle stick as they just sit loosely in the top of the candle stick and require no effort at all to remove tip the candle stick over and the bezels drop out.
My mother in law reckons that I must think I married a witch. :scared:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Corporate666 on October 31, 2013, 11:02:06 pm
Electrical/mechanical would be much more likely than electronic. Your TV isn't going to vibrate a vase, but the refrigerator could easily do that. Lots of vibrations at not completely stable frequencies.

Some things science can explain, some things we'll eventually be able to explain, and... For things like this, science will never be able to explain.

Of course, science can't test something that only happened once, but you can't really claim it's unable to explain something until it's been tried, can you?

Resonance seems the obvious answer to me.

I think it is mostly a reasoning thing with the people who observe these events (no offense to anyone here).

Case in point - my cousin insists that balloons floating into the sky in the distance is a sign from our dead grandfather, because she saw balloons floating away when we were at his funeral.  I tried to explain that because she has created this correlation in her mind, that she now noticed floating balloons that she previously never would, which only confirms her belief in it being supernatural.  She didn't understand.

Another case.  Another cousin claims he has some sort of electromagnetic ability/characteristic that he discovered when he noticed sometimes as he drove by a street light, the light would turn off.  I asked him how often street lights turn off when he isn't driving by, and he said "how would I know, I wouldn't be there?".  I said "exactly".  He didn't get it either :) 

People are funny.  And by funny, I mean insane.  And by insane, I mean worthy of poking fun at - in my cousins case, of course.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: c4757p on October 31, 2013, 11:05:31 pm
Try to explain this one. ...

Insanity?

Case in point - my cousin insists that balloons floating into the sky in the distance is a sign from our dead grandfather, because she saw balloons floating away when we were at his funeral.  I tried to explain that because she has created this correlation in her mind, that she now noticed floating balloons that she previously never would, which only confirms her belief in it being supernatural.  She didn't understand.

It's funny - every time the phone rings and then the person hangs up before she can answer (obviously a wrong number), my grandmother insists that it's some sort of "sign" from her dead mother, or that she's trying to call her from heaven or something equally silly. But when she's in a more logical mood, she admits that it's probably not the case. Sometimes people just want to believe things like that, no matter how much they know better. :-//
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: mrflibble on November 02, 2013, 04:19:01 pm
Sometimes people just want to believe things like that, no matter how much they know better. :-//

Yeah, duh. ;) Why do you think we have such a crapload of religions infesting our otherwise fine planet? What, I am sentient AND I might die? Holy shit, hand me my mental crutch! I mean if we could all just agree to Hail Thor, patron god of frosty beverages, then everything would be just dandy.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: mrflibble on November 02, 2013, 04:54:16 pm
The correct form? It's its.

 ;D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJWarlock on November 09, 2013, 08:38:57 pm
Actually, practising some inner insight/calmness (i.e. during meditation or religious practices but I mean these done with engagement, not just some plain acting for the sake of showing off) may activate the pineal gland and the frontal lobe therefore rise the inspiration/creativity and empathy levels. But as I mentioned, this is true to those who practise because they like to, not because they think they should to. Without using these brain areas we'd have cynical consumer zombies roaming the Earth. Hey, isn't it the actual state already? ;)

Anyway, my point is to present the objective fact and remind that you can not cross out the very word "religion" (which AFAIK means "something that unites") just because there happen to exist many who misuse it (the word and the thing). It's called generalisation. And I like to derail a bandwagon from time to time, just for the sake of un-generalisation. ;)

BTW.Jumping on a bandwagon of rejective generalisation may be a sign of being unable to grasp the subject of generalisation itself. And/or a projection of some past, unsolved trauma/inner conflict. ;) But hey, speaking convenient cliches is so much easier than calming, listening and thinking. ;) No, I'm not a fan of any particular religion and I don't feel offended or anything like that. :) I just find it entertaining to debunk a bandwagonish generalisation by pointing some practical arguments. Hope you'll find them counterbalancing. Cheers.

As for the snake oil expression thing - actually, there is a benefit in using permament neodymium magnets, at least for their lifecycle (up to ca. 50 years AFAIR and with some decrease of their strength over time), so the savings on the input energy (to rotate a rotor) actually may come from the replacement of DC with pulse wave with low duty cycle. This is of course very simply put as I have some other things to do in a moment. ;) I just wanted to remind that factor because oftenly people forget to include the magnets' F and a duty cycle factor into calculations (which I don't think many EEV forum users would forget actually :) ).
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: c4757p on November 09, 2013, 08:45:02 pm
word "religion" (which AFAIK means "something that unites")

Since when?

I'm particularly a fan of the "perhaps from religare" part.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: johansen on November 11, 2013, 01:40:50 am
may activate the pineal gland and the frontal lobe therefore rise the inspiration/creativity and empathy levels. But as I mentioned, this is true to those who practise because they like to, not because they think they should to. Without using these brain areas we'd have cynical consumer zombies roaming the Earth. Hey, isn't it the actual state already? ;)

ehehe.. there is nothing to activate.. only other stuff to put in it. they tend to hang out in the second heaven if you know what i'm saying...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TheBay on December 14, 2013, 12:02:48 am
Audiophile snake oil is the worst imho.

Never heard of such nonsense, unbelievable what gets sold and prices for a placebo.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: echen1024 on December 16, 2013, 05:38:50 pm
Audiophile snake oil is the worst imho.

Never heard of such nonsense, unbelievable what gets sold and prices for a placebo.
Yea. $5k for some power cables that were made by nude virgins in utopia land.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cloudscapes on December 20, 2013, 04:48:06 am
I want them to tell me why they think a $5k power cable makes a difference when you've got kilometers of average wiring outside in the air and under ground.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: BravoV on December 20, 2013, 05:00:00 am
I want them to tell me why they think a $5k power cable makes a difference when you've got kilometers of average wiring outside in the air and under ground.

There (highlighted text above), is your argument's fundamental flaw, they just don't do that.

I've done my part toying with these species, just join them calmly, while they're talking how a song sounds more brighter, deeper tone, more clarity and etc, just jump in and voice it out loud that you sense and taste the sound is more "caramelized" , "spicier" , "salt & sour like" and "fart smelly like timbre" and etc using food taste as the new jargon.  >:D

Two possible outcomes, either they will hate you ... or ... some morons will start to admire you and a new sound's character names you've invented are born, and will be added into their sound characters dictionary.  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TheBay on December 21, 2013, 02:16:28 am
I do repair work and "Upgrade" for so called high end hifi, the customers supply the parts and tell me what they want changed, I do tell them it's a load of nonsense, but they do not listen, but I do not want to argue with them as the customer is always right :D, they swear they can tell a difference, it's absolute nonsense! One friend paints his CD's with Green Permanent marker (Sold as something else) so the laser light does not escape? I ask you.

The irony is! sometimes when things produce a lesser quality sound, they think thats more "Natural" so a cheap CD player losing bits is often better to them, just like the old original playstation 1 as a high end CD player nonsense.

I want them to tell me why they think a $5k power cable makes a difference when you've got kilometers of average wiring outside in the air and under ground.

There (highlighted text above), is your argument's fundamental flaw, they just don't do that.

I've done my part toying with these species, just join them calmly, while they're talking how a song sounds more brighter, deeper tone, more clarity and etc, just jump in and voice it out loud that you sense and taste the sound is more "caramelized" , "spicier" , "salt & sour like" and "fart smelly like timbre" and etc using food taste as the new jargon.  >:D

Two possible outcomes, either they will hate you ... or ... some morons will start to admire you and a new sound's character names you've invented are born, and will be added into their sound characters dictionary.  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: don.r on December 22, 2013, 05:49:45 pm
Enjoy!

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2006/10/25/build_your_own_for_almost_free_electromedical_research_devices.htm (http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2006/10/25/build_your_own_for_almost_free_electromedical_research_devices.htm)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: calexanian on December 22, 2013, 08:52:01 pm
Audiophile snake oil is the worst imho.

Never heard of such nonsense, unbelievable what gets sold and prices for a placebo.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TheBay on December 24, 2013, 12:49:13 am
I've seen it all now!  :wtf:

http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/SOtM_c6.htm (http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/SOtM_c6.htm)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Sigmoid on December 28, 2013, 05:34:29 pm
"The germ has to be in the line of the circuit, the path of the power or it will not be affected by it."

OMG this is the best joke I've ever read...

...I mean, it's a joke, right?

...right?!

...

Enjoy!

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2006/10/25/build_your_own_for_almost_free_electromedical_research_devices.htm (http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2006/10/25/build_your_own_for_almost_free_electromedical_research_devices.htm)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: don.r on December 28, 2013, 07:44:16 pm
"The germ has to be in the line of the circuit, the path of the power or it will not be affected by it."

OMG this is the best joke I've ever read...

...I mean, it's a joke, right?

...right?!

...


<crickets chirping>
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: VK3DRB on January 01, 2014, 03:10:31 am
VHS versus Beta.

Beta was a far more reliable, robust and faster to load/unload mechanical arrangement and had a slightly better horizontal resolution than VHS. Snake oil sales companies like Panasonic were aggressive in dominating the market with their inferior product.

The public were caught hook, line and sinker. Of course many of them brought expensive Hifi stereo video recorders, but few installed it into a decent amplifier and speaker system; instead just using the TV for audio. The other thing I noticed was most video recorder owners left the plastic protection stickers over their digital displays and marketing stickers on their video recorders, which simply supported the theory that the human race is largely made up of morons.





Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: GeoffS on January 01, 2014, 03:35:31 am
VHS versus Beta.

Beta was a far more reliable, robust and faster to load/unload mechanical arrangement and had a slightly better horizontal resolution than VHS. Snake oil sales companies like Panasonic were aggressive in dominating the market with their inferior product.

The public were caught hook, line and sinker. Of course many of them brought expensive Hifi stereo video recorders, but few installed it into a decent amplifier and speaker system; instead just using the TV for audio. The other thing I noticed was most video recorder owners left the plastic protection stickers over their digital displays and marketing stickers on their video recorders, which simply supported the theory that the human race is largely made up of morons.

 JVC's VHS format won out largely because it had a better recording time than did the Beta tapes of the time - 120 minutes for VHS vs 60 minutes for Beta.
VHS machines were more readily available for purchase or rent and were cheaper. By the time the Beta caught up on recording time, the war was over.
No argument that Beta had superior quality.
No snake oil, just superior marketing.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: wilheldp on January 01, 2014, 03:37:53 am
And the pr0n industry adopted VHS early on which made nekkidness available to the masses.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: SeanB on January 01, 2014, 04:48:49 am
Betamax lost because of the cost of the licensing, not much else. The VHS consortium were willing to sell rights to anybody, but Beta was Sony, with all the protectionist racketeering that they have in all their proprietary formats. Much better and such, but if you are an OEM and have a choice between a $xx fee and a $x one you will go for the cheaper always. As well VHS mechanicals were smaller ( no large loading rings to make out of precision castings) and simpler.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bored@Work on January 01, 2014, 11:35:55 am
And the pr0n industry adopted VHS early on which made nekkidness available to the masses.

Maybe in America. We in Europe had nekkidness without video recorders.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Zbig on January 01, 2014, 05:46:17 pm
[..] The other thing I noticed was most video recorder owners left the plastic protection stickers over their digital displays and marketing stickers on their video recorders [..]

Oh, the horror :palm: I hate this with a passion. As of recently, when I see someone's several years old gear still with full set of colorful "20 MPix!, 700x ZOOM!" etc. stickers intact, I proceed straight to peeling the crap off, no questions asked, not stopping while being shouted at, maybe only after he/she hits me with something hard and heavy. I used to be like "You see, it's only there so you could see the bragging features when seeing several seemingly identical models on the shop shelf. Look how it's not properly silkscreened like other markings but printed on the easily removable film so you could and should remove it the moment after you pull your gear out of the box." but I stopped bothering after achieving the success rate of zero.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: VK3DRB on January 01, 2014, 11:01:54 pm
[..] The other thing I noticed was most video recorder owners left the plastic protection stickers over their digital displays and marketing stickers on their video recorders [..]

Oh, the horror :palm: I hate this with a passion.

Kindred spirits. I too used to vandalise their precious video recorders by ripping the foggy plastic film off the digital display to show a nice new display under the shabby film.

For some unknown reason many owners of digital multimeters leave the film on. What's the point of impeding a crisp clear display with an idiotic piece of film which fogs up the display, that the manufacturer could not be bothered removing? |O

I make no apologies. As Bush would say, "You are either for ripping off the plastic film, or you are with the terrorists."
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Lurch on January 02, 2014, 04:59:09 am
For some unknown reason many owners of digital multimeters leave the film on. What's the point of impeding a crisp clear display with an idiotic piece of film which fogs up the display, that the manufacturer could not be bothered removing? |O

I do the same when I see a protective film over a phone screen. Sometimes have to relent and leave it on though as I can't always tell the difference between protective factory fitted transport protection and purposely fitted aftermarket screen protector!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Gribo on January 22, 2014, 06:29:55 pm
This:
http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-Terminated-Speaker-Cable/dp/B000J36XR2/ref=cm_rdp_product (http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-Terminated-Speaker-Cable/dp/B000J36XR2/ref=cm_rdp_product)

And the masterpiece comment:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R3I8VKTCITJCX6 (http://www.amazon.com/review/R3I8VKTCITJCX6)

 :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: digsys on January 22, 2014, 10:55:50 pm
Quote from: Gribo
This:
http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-Terminated-Speaker-Cable/dp/B000J36XR2/ref=cm_rdp_product (http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-Terminated-Speaker-Cable/dp/B000J36XR2/ref=cm_rdp_product)
Did you buy a pair? Were they good at snaffling a gerlin? The comments weren't too clear.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Gribo on January 23, 2014, 10:23:13 am
I bought a pair installed it in my car, now my car runs on unicorn's droppings.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kjelt on January 25, 2014, 12:42:18 pm
http://www.daluso-audio.nl/harmonix-big-bandastonishing-performance/ (http://www.daluso-audio.nl/harmonix-big-bandastonishing-performance/)

Perhaps these things also work on scope probes  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: gslug on January 29, 2014, 01:01:12 am
Audiofool snake oil seems to be infesting the studio market too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSUo1voVS6w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSUo1voVS6w). Gold guitar cables that sound better if you stand still when playing... :blah:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: jh15 on January 29, 2014, 04:58:04 am
Probably because the whole cable becomes a capacitive transducer.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: denelec on February 24, 2014, 02:29:40 am
Even when you're dealing with digital signal, you must use the best (read: most expensive) cable...  :blah:
You don't want the 0's and 1's somehow getting lost in the copper of an inferior cable.  :-DD  :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: c4757p on February 24, 2014, 06:05:16 pm
This was in the local paper this morning...

Yes, it's a coil. That goes around a pipe.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: lapm on February 25, 2014, 08:06:33 pm
This was in the local paper this morning...

Yes, it's a coil. That goes around a pipe.

Whoa, they are still selling that junk... Remember seeing one in electronics magazine about 20 years ago with schematics and pcb layout... :P
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: denelec on February 25, 2014, 10:56:15 pm
This was in the local paper this morning...

Yes, it's a coil. That goes around a pipe.
I've seen something similar many years ago in an magazine.  It used magnets wrapped around the water pipe.
Supposedly the magnetic field will somehow keep the minerals dissolved in water, preventing scaling.  :-\
I've also seen an ad for a similar gadget that you placed around the fuel line of your car to improve fuel economy.  Again, the magnetic field was supposed to align the gasoline molecules, improving combustion...  :-DD
Didn't buy them. So I can't confirm that they don't work... ::)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Noise Floor on February 26, 2014, 04:48:59 am
Don't forget about the magnets you can wear around your wrist, it cures pretty much any ailment.
http://www.magnetictherapymagnets.com/magnetic-wristbands.html (http://www.magnetictherapymagnets.com/magnetic-wristbands.html)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on February 26, 2014, 08:59:44 am
This was in the local paper this morning...

Yes, it's a coil. That goes around a pipe.
I've seen something similar many years ago in an magazine.  It used magnets wrapped around the water pipe.
Supposedly the magnetic field will somehow keep the minerals dissolved in water, preventing scaling.  :-\
I've also seen an ad for a similar gadget that you placed around the fuel line of your car to improve fuel economy.  Again, the magnetic field was supposed to align the gasoline molecules, improving combustion...  :-DD
Didn't buy them. So I can't confirm that they don't work... ::)

If every car was fitted with all the devices that claimed to increase fuel economy by 10% or more, global warming would end and the roads would be awash with all the petrol being pumped out of the cars exhaust pipes as the would have passed from burning the stuff to creating it.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: nihilism on February 26, 2014, 03:50:56 pm
One for the Aussies. Anyone remember the Peter Brock Energy Polariser?

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/polariser-hdt-drawn-together-again-20111014-1lnx0.html (http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/polariser-hdt-drawn-together-again-20111014-1lnx0.html)
Title: "The demise of silicon" (snake oil ad)
Post by: Stonent on February 27, 2014, 05:31:15 am
So I saw this banner ad (not on this site)

(http://i.imgur.com/ekrPBl1.jpg)

And thought, what crap.  I clicked it just to see what it was, and it was just about graphene. Still I don't see what makes it fit all the claims of the ad. Does graphene magically accelerate electrons?

Plus (as I expected) when I closed the tab, it redirected me to another site with a plea from some person about the "investment of a lifetime" and followed by a pop up making sure I was "sure" I wanted to walk away.
Title: Re: "The demise of silicon" (snake oil ad)
Post by: don.r on February 27, 2014, 03:12:24 pm
So I saw this banner ad (not on this site)

(http://i.imgur.com/ekrPBl1.jpg)

And thought, what crap.  I clicked it just to see what it was, and it was just about graphene. Still I don't see what makes it fit all the claims of the ad. Does graphene magically accelerate electrons?

Plus (as I expected) when I closed the tab, it redirected me to another site with a plea from some person about the "investment of a lifetime" and followed by a pop up making sure I was "sure" I wanted to walk away.

Graphene has very low resistivity and high electron mobility. Its a better conductor at room temp than silver.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Pillager on March 04, 2014, 06:17:10 pm
Just found something very useful...

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/freee-free-energy-for-everybody (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/freee-free-energy-for-everybody)

...and along with all the other free energy stuff out there, all our energy problems seem to be solved  :phew:  ::)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: uwezi on March 04, 2014, 06:28:45 pm
Graphene has very low resistivity and high electron mobility. Its a better conductor at room temp than silver.

...if you compare a layer of silver as thin as a single sheet of graphene with just that, a single sheet of graphene...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: electronics man on March 15, 2014, 11:35:28 pm
Do you think this soap does what it claims to https://www.lush.co.uk/product/362/Snake-Oil-Scalp-Treatment-Bar (https://www.lush.co.uk/product/362/Snake-Oil-Scalp-Treatment-Bar)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on March 25, 2014, 04:50:36 pm
It contains Juniper tar, Tar, cresols and phenols have long been used by the medical profession for treating skin and scalp problems. They put me on tar related product to treat psoriasis but as I am allergic to both cresols and phenols  all they did was to exacerbate the problem and some of the quacks won't or don't believe in allergies  and try to insist on the use of them, then lecture you on the dangers of sunlight or UVB treatment while ignoring the carcinogenic and toxic properties of cresol and phenol.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: microbug on April 10, 2014, 08:53:02 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26963255 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26963255)

That 'nano-technology' looks an awful lot like super-capacitors.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daveshah on April 10, 2014, 09:56:17 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26963255 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26963255)

That 'nano-technology' looks an awful lot like super-capacitors.
A decent phone battery is about 9Wh. Therefore to charge it in 30 seconds you would need a 1kW power supply - not going to be very portable.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: wilheldp on April 10, 2014, 04:02:27 pm
I don't see how that cell phone battery is that amazing.  They installed something that nearly tripled the thickness of the phone, charge it with a dual banana-jack cable (which indicates to me that they were using a lab power supply), and after charging, they get 2-3 hours of use out of it.  It sounds like they just put a bunch of supercapacitors in an enclosure, and mated them to the battery contacts on the phone.  I don't think supercaps with enough capacity to match current cell phone battery life will ever be small enough to fit in the same battery compartment as a current LiIon battery pack.  Plus, the charger that dumps 5+ amps into the supercaps would be expensive and unwieldy compared to modern 5 VDC, 2 A chargers.
Title: Re: "The demise of silicon" (snake oil ad)
Post by: G7PSK on April 10, 2014, 07:09:29 pm
So I saw this banner ad (not on this site)

(http://i.imgur.com/ekrPBl1.jpg)

And thought, what crap.  I clicked it just to see what it was, and it was just about graphene. Still I don't see what makes it fit all the claims of the ad. Does graphene magically accelerate electrons?

Plus (as I expected) when I closed the tab, it redirected me to another site with a plea from some person about the "investment of a lifetime" and followed by a pop up making sure I was "sure" I wanted to walk away.

Graphene has very low resistivity and high electron mobility. Its a better conductor at room temp than silver.

But is graphene doomed before it starts, Stanene is on it way.  http://phys.org/news/2013-11-d-tin-super-material.html (http://phys.org/news/2013-11-d-tin-super-material.html)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Zepnat on April 11, 2014, 08:32:08 pm
"Wireless anti-static wrist bands.

Static dissipative strap without grounding cord, convenient to operate

Avoid the trouble of ground cord and reduce the damage of electric components accidently
Great wrist strap for electrician or IC / PLCC worker"

I thought the whole point of static dissipative wrist bands were to gently drain any charge away to earth through a wire
Wireless ?  :-// They seem quite popular!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anti-Static-Wrist-Band-Wristband-Strap-Discharge-Cables-Wireless-Cordless-Slim-/120814630101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c211cf4d5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anti-Static-Wrist-Band-Wristband-Strap-Discharge-Cables-Wireless-Cordless-Slim-/120814630101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c211cf4d5)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTg1WDU4NQ==/z/hNUAAMXQQQZRzbfR/$(KGrHqUOKpIFGu3RfJOfBRzbfRCmCg~~60_1.JPG)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: wilheldp on April 12, 2014, 01:26:49 am
Shipping from China seriously must be free.  If I were to buy a 10 MOhm resistor, put it in a plastic case and attach an elastic wrist band to it, it would be at least 50 cents in materials...even in large quantities.  How they sell something like that for 99 cents with free shipping is absolutely incredible.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: David_AVD on April 12, 2014, 03:33:04 am
With regards to the cheap shipping from China to Australia, I heard that China (gov't) subsidises the outgoing mail and Australia Post effectively has to pick up the tab for the Australian delivery leg.

If that's true, with the increasing trend of China-Australia retail sales it's no wonder Australia Post is loosing money.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Zepnat on April 12, 2014, 09:09:13 pm
So what do you think of the wireless earth strap. It could never work could it?

RE: cheap shipping from china.

I must admit I was amazed at the stupidly low price of this and ive bought a Lot of stuff from china over the years.

They work really well.


$1.21    TP4056  Li-ion Battery Charging Module  worldwide free shipping


https://www.fasttech.com/p/1453504 (https://www.fasttech.com/p/1453504)




(https://fasttechcdn.com/products/145/1453504/1453504-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: don.r on April 13, 2014, 03:14:30 am
"Wireless anti-static wrist bands.

Static dissipative strap without grounding cord, convenient to operate

Avoid the trouble of ground cord and reduce the damage of electric components accidently
Great wrist strap for electrician or IC / PLCC worker"

I thought the whole point of static dissipative wrist bands were to gently drain any charge away to earth through a wire
Wireless ?  :-// They seem quite popular!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anti-Static-Wrist-Band-Wristband-Strap-Discharge-Cables-Wireless-Cordless-Slim-/120814630101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c211cf4d5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anti-Static-Wrist-Band-Wristband-Strap-Discharge-Cables-Wireless-Cordless-Slim-/120814630101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c211cf4d5)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTg1WDU4NQ==/z/hNUAAMXQQQZRzbfR/$(KGrHqUOKpIFGu3RfJOfBRzbfRCmCg~~60_1.JPG)

I did a "teardown" on this forum of one for laughs. There is a single 1M ohm resistor inside. They are, indeed, useless. I converted mine to a strapped unit as the band is conductive.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: jh15 on April 13, 2014, 04:37:45 am
kind of like a factory girl walking around the factory floor, holding a static sensitive board on top of its esd bag thinking it is blessed to be protected..
Title: Re: $3300 "charge accelerator and toroid generator"
Post by: dc101 on April 21, 2014, 04:28:45 pm
EE quackery is alive and well!

http://quantamagnetics.com/ (http://quantamagnetics.com/)    :bullshit:
"The Q3 Charge Accelerator & Toriod Generator. An experimental generator designed as an alternative energy system element expansion, best used with low power solar input for charging of lead acid battery bank. The advanced Toroidal Generator addition provides extra  power output and allows for high voltage experiments."

:o

This guy is still at it!  Now he has a fancy website, http://quantamagnetics.com/ (http://quantamagnetics.com/)   I guess by selling these as "experimental generators" he can claim it's not a scam.  Is it me or did he basically hook a home-made generator up to a home-made motor?

-Tim
Title: Re: $3300 "charge accelerator and toroid generator"
Post by: codeboy2k on April 21, 2014, 08:58:58 pm
This guy is still at it!  Now he has a fancy website, http://quantamagnetics.com/ (http://quantamagnetics.com/)   I guess by selling these as "experimental generators" he can claim it's not a scam.  Is it me or did he basically hook a home-made generator up to a home-made motor?

-Tim

Yep. But if watch the video you realize it's not just any ol' generator, but a bi-filar wound generator :) 
and it avoids those silly laws created for no good reason whatsoever by that Lenz guy.

Physics got you down?  no problem... we don't need no stinkin' laws...

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on April 23, 2014, 10:36:51 am
Quote
This guy is still at it!  Now he has a fancy website, http://quantamagnetics.com/ (http://quantamagnetics.com/)   I guess by selling these as "experimental generators" he can claim it's not a scam.  Is it me or did he basically hook a home-made generator up to a home-made motor?

Quote
RETURNS NOT ACCEPTED. Due to the custom nature of these products, we do not accept returns.
Pretty much sums up the whole free energy scene... also "Results may vary."
Title: Re: $3300 "charge accelerator and toroid generator"
Post by: mamalala on April 23, 2014, 11:50:31 am
This guy is still at it!

If you want to see something where people are _really_ persistant, then google for "SEG searl effect generator". That scam goes on for many decades now. That wonderous machine is supposed to not only produce free energy, but is also ablle to defy gravity as well as curing cancer! And Searl got all that in a dream!

Makes a fantastic research project into human stupidity to keep you busy for some days.

Greetings,

Chris
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Excavatoree on April 23, 2014, 07:09:38 pm
One of my favorite scams is a presentation made in a rented hotel room.  The guy demonstrated a motor and a generator.  Using some trickery, he "shows" that the motor generates more mechanical output power than it takes in as electrical power.  Likewise, he "shows" that the generator generates more electrical output power than it requires as input power. 

However, the two devices aren't connected together and running perpetually, because "we got in late last night, and <whoever, I forget the name> didn't have time to connect the two together.  Clearly, you can see that if we did connect them, it would run forever and generate free power, but man, poor 'ole <whoever> was tired.  You can't blame him for needing rest, now, can you?"

 I wonder how many times he made the same speech, and if anyone ever bought it?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Richard Crowley on April 24, 2014, 01:43:10 am
Oh, that's OK.  Let poor 'ole <whoever> have his rest.
Lets us hook it up right now!  Boy am I excited to see this!    :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on April 24, 2014, 12:12:22 pm
That reminds me of the hotel demonstration scam from the 50's where tap water from the hotel bathroom was turned into petrol by the addition of the magic compound. The trick was that petrol was first pumped back up the hotels plumbing before the press presentation then of course when the water was run from the bath petrol came out at first. It caught a lot of people though before the guy got caught.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Whales on April 24, 2014, 12:21:15 pm
That reminds me of the hotel demonstration scam from the 50's where tap water from the hotel bathroom was turned into petrol by the addition of the magic compound. The trick was that petrol was first pumped back up the hotels plumbing before the press presentation then of course when the water was run from the bath petrol came out at first. It caught a lot of people though before the guy got caught.
I'd hate to be the guy who owns the hotel.

Client: My toilet caught fire, and I tried to put it out with water from the sink.  Does this normally happen?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: grumpydoc on April 24, 2014, 01:44:35 pm
Quote
With regards to the cheap shipping from China to Australia, I heard that China (gov't) subsidises the outgoing mail and Australia Post effectively has to pick up the tab for the Australian delivery leg.
For international post it used to be (probably still is) that a country's postal service retained the revenue from stuff going out and handled incomming stuff for "free" on the principle that it all balanced itself out in the end.

Of course at the moment there's a lot more coming out of China than going in so the Chinese government can afford to charge low rates for outbound international mail (in fact not subsidising but just charging for the leg within China) and, yes, the result is that the rest of the world subsidises the trade.

Can you blame them really?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Jarrod Roberson on May 17, 2014, 06:01:39 pm
This was posted on a Bass Musician Electronic Magazine page I follow on facebook:
"I use the MusicCord-Pro Power Cord live and in the studio
and I've been astonished at the difference a power cord can make. It produces a clear, full bass tone that's true to the sound of my instrument. I'll never go back."

Check out the NEW Gerald Veasley Signature MusicCord-PRO!

http://www.essentialsound.com/guitar-bass.htm#gerald-veasley (http://www.essentialsound.com/guitar-bass.htm#gerald-veasley)

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bass-Musician-Magazine/111340148878929?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bass-Musician-Magazine/111340148878929?fref=nf)

Why do people insist that because you might know how to play an instrument, it makes you an expert in electronics or physics?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: electronics man on May 18, 2014, 10:34:46 am
This was posted on a Bass Musician Electronic Magazine page I follow on facebook:
"I use the MusicCord-Pro Power Cord live and in the studio
and I've been astonished at the difference a power cord can make. It produces a clear, full bass tone that's true to the sound of my instrument. I'll never go back."

Check out the NEW Gerald Veasley Signature MusicCord-PRO!

http://www.essentialsound.com/guitar-bass.htm#gerald-veasley (http://www.essentialsound.com/guitar-bass.htm#gerald-veasley)

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bass-Musician-Magazine/111340148878929?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bass-Musician-Magazine/111340148878929?fref=nf)

Why do people insist that because you might know how to play an instrument, it makes you an expert in electronics or physics?

Might be that they can play well but it may also be the placebo effect
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Jarrod Roberson on May 20, 2014, 03:27:13 pm
see the asses at that Bass Musician Magazine facebook page, deleted mine and a few others people posts about how that was a scam, and blocked us all! I love getting banned by idiots! Confirms that they are idiots and can't stand the truth.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Richard Crowley on May 20, 2014, 03:45:37 pm
see the asses at that Bass Musician Magazine facebook page, deleted mine and a few others people posts about how that was a scam, and blocked us all! I love getting banned by idiots! Confirms that they are idiots and can't stand the truth.
Or maybe it is just economic.  Magazines are on the ropes because of competition from the interweb. They can't afford to antagonize advertisers (or potential advertisers).
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: corrado33 on May 25, 2014, 10:10:09 pm
Not exactly tech/engineering related, but fits the snake oil thread perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6rUU0K9xE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6rUU0K9xE)

...it's painful...

I know this is from page 2... but I stopped after "Stephen Hawkings" HAHAHAHA Don't ask me how I got through E=mc ~ E=Infinitesimally small # * c ~ E=c
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: vtkkorhanjoh on June 15, 2014, 08:51:59 pm
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mydx (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mydx)

I think I found another one. A swiss army knife of chemical detectors, it is supposed to be "able to quantify chemicals to within 20% of conventional gas chromatography (GC) instrument values.  Our subsequent generation devices and sensors will target a marginal error rate of within 5% of GC values." They do not explaun what type of sensor they are using, other than it being a sort of "chemical nose", being able to detect presence of various chemicals in both gasses, solids and liquids, no matter what concentration.  :palm:

At first i thought raman spectroscope, but that would only work for solids and a few liquids, and gas chromatography would not be practical in this sized apparatus. It might not be bullshit, but as far as I can tell it shure smells like it.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on June 16, 2014, 12:05:00 pm
Well, my BS meter exploded, so I can't give you the exact BS value, but...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schumann-Resonator-Chartres-audiophile-tweak-with-Enclosure-Case-/251518984613?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a8fb321a5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schumann-Resonator-Chartres-audiophile-tweak-with-Enclosure-Case-/251518984613?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a8fb321a5)

By the way, if I use a different pattern, say, a pentagram, will it improve my black death metal collection reception, or...?

Anyway... it's apparently better than BStron and BSMaximizer... or some such...
Quote
Tips: You can place a CD on coil area for 10 seconds, This amazing tweak works like Bedini Clarifier or Furutech CD Demagnetizer. After treatment, sound is more clear, 3D, detail and musical. It really works !!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: rob77 on June 16, 2014, 06:26:28 pm
Well, my BS meter exploded, so I can't give you the exact BS value, but...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schumann-Resonator-Chartres-audiophile-tweak-with-Enclosure-Case-/251518984613?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a8fb321a5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schumann-Resonator-Chartres-audiophile-tweak-with-Enclosure-Case-/251518984613?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a8fb321a5)

By the way, if I use a different pattern, say, a pentagram, will it improve my black death metal collection reception, or...?

Anyway... it's apparently better than BStron and BSMaximizer... or some such...
Quote
Tips: You can place a CD on coil area for 10 seconds, This amazing tweak works like Bedini Clarifier or Furutech CD Demagnetizer. After treatment, sound is more clear, 3D, detail and musical. It really works !!

and if you use a CD re-winder to re-wind the CD to it's beginning after playing.. .then you get even better results  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: SeanB on June 17, 2014, 06:23:58 pm
I think I found another one. A swiss army knife of chemical detectors, it is supposed to be "able to quantify chemicals to within 20% of conventional gas chromatography (GC) instrument values.  Our subsequent generation devices and sensors will target a marginal error rate of within 5% of GC values." They do not explaun what type of sensor they are using, other than it being a sort of "chemical nose", being able to detect presence of various chemicals in both gasses, solids and liquids, no matter what concentration.  :palm:

At first i thought raman spectroscope, but that would only work for solids and a few liquids, and gas chromatography would not be practical in this sized apparatus. It might not be bullshit, but as far as I can tell it shure smells like it.

I remember reading of one solution the US troops used in Gulf war 1 to do something to detect gases. They took a common desert rodent, placed it in a plastic cage and placed it in the place in the tank where the NBC contamination detector was supposed to be installed. Then kept an eye on it and looked for a change in behaviour ( from moving to on back pushing up daisies) to decide when to close the air inlets and go to full recirculation.

Not that it was likely to be a good detector, but it served a morale boosting role. The US was concerned about the artillery that Saddam had, and they had a right to be. Better range and better accuracy. Of course that did depend on having people who knew how to use and service it though. Was good to watch the Made For TV weapons the US had though.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: grumpydoc on June 18, 2014, 08:31:05 am
Quote
and if you use a CD re-winder to re-wind the CD to it's beginning after playing.. .then you get even better results 

Hey, where can I get one of those - I've a whole stack of CD's that I've played through and are now stuck after the last track - I could really do with a rewinder.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: AndyC_772 on June 18, 2014, 09:07:33 am
Send them to me, I'll rewind them for you for £1 each.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: rob77 on June 18, 2014, 12:47:18 pm
probably we should design one rewinder and start a kickstarter campaign  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: sunnyhighway on June 27, 2014, 10:40:54 am
probably we should design one rewinder and start a kickstarter campaign  :-DD

Too late...

It was already invented in 2008.

http://cd-dvd-rewinder-pro.updatestar.com (http://cd-dvd-rewinder-pro.updatestar.com)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TheBorg on June 30, 2014, 05:35:35 am
probably we should design one rewinder and start a kickstarter campaign  :-DD

Too late...

It was already invented in 2008.

http://cd-dvd-rewinder-pro.updatestar.com (http://cd-dvd-rewinder-pro.updatestar.com)


From the makers of such wonderful software as "Conspiracy Revealer" and "DetectSatan 2.0"  :-DD

http://www.updatestar.com/publisher/Unusual%20Software (http://www.updatestar.com/publisher/Unusual%20Software)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: GreyWoolfe on July 03, 2014, 12:42:59 pm
"Wireless anti-static wrist bands.

Static dissipative strap without grounding cord, convenient to operate

Avoid the trouble of ground cord and reduce the damage of electric components accidently
Great wrist strap for electrician or IC / PLCC worker"

I thought the whole point of static dissipative wrist bands were to gently drain any charge away to earth through a wire
Wireless ?  :-// They seem quite popular!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anti-Static-Wrist-Band-Wristband-Strap-Discharge-Cables-Wireless-Cordless-Slim-/120814630101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c211cf4d5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anti-Static-Wrist-Band-Wristband-Strap-Discharge-Cables-Wireless-Cordless-Slim-/120814630101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c211cf4d5)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTg1WDU4NQ==/z/hNUAAMXQQQZRzbfR/$(KGrHqUOKpIFGu3RfJOfBRzbfRCmCg~~60_1.JPG)

I did a "teardown" on this forum of one for laughs. There is a single 1M ohm resistor inside. They are, indeed, useless. I converted mine to a strapped unit as the band is conductive.

I just decided to read through all the snake oil.  I think we should group buy a couple of thousand and sell them to the audiophiles so they can "safely" handle their precious CDs and records without compromising tonal purity, soundstage edification and the ethereal listening pleasure they will gain.  Price?  Why, only $999.99 with free shipping.  Call 1-800-NO STATIC.  Operators are standing by to take you. :-DD
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: cloudscapes on August 12, 2014, 11:05:49 pm
Not exactly tech/engineering related, but fits the snake oil thread perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6rUU0K9xE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6rUU0K9xE)

...it's painful...

this is so painful. I got so angry at the screen after 2 minutes that I had to shut it off.

unbelievable.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: mrflibble on August 12, 2014, 11:39:27 pm
this is so painful. I got so angry at the screen after 2 minutes that I had to shut it off.

unbelievable.
I recently watched/skipped/watched a TED vid on how to beam energy around with ground breaking inefficiency using ultrasound, powered by non-linear thinking. I have survived the Timecube. I feel totally ready for this. Wish me luck! :box:

*clickey* *watch*
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: mrflibble on August 12, 2014, 11:50:30 pm
This is ear bleedingly amusing. Now real question is: "Does she believe her own bullshit, and where can I buy these happy pills?"

She forgets to take advantage of boost method in particle physics. Boost her <insert bullshit here> along one axis (space oriented), and you can do a round of  :blah: and tada mass crossed out. Or c^2 crossed out. Or momentum crossed out. Totally depending on how you want to spin the bullshit. Talk about missed opportunity.

One drawback, the bullshitting is too slow. Bullshit FASTERRR! Nope, takes too long.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on August 15, 2014, 12:34:52 pm
... :o ...  ??? ... :palm: ...  :wtf: ... *

... well... the twitch I developed from that video ain't going away anytime soon...

* - We live in an amazing age when it's possible to sum up an emotional state in four little pictures...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bud on August 16, 2014, 01:53:58 am
If you think you knew everything about frequency measurement techniques,  watch this and learn how to operate a Radionics frequency counter and get some goodies along the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtVcUp7S6U&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtVcUp7S6U&feature=player_embedded)

And yes, inside this $1 Chinese wooden box frequency counter there is a special circuit designed by a master Radionics technician (MRT ?). Apparently because of this reason it does not require a battery.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bud on August 16, 2014, 02:30:42 am
Good news, Radionics method also works for spectrum analysis

 http://www.wishingmachineproject.com/the-spectralizer/  (http://www.wishingmachineproject.com/the-spectralizer/)

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: janekm on August 31, 2014, 11:18:50 pm
If you think you knew everything about frequency measurement techniques,  watch this and learn how to operate a Radionics frequency counter and get some goodies along the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtVcUp7S6U&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtVcUp7S6U&feature=player_embedded)

And yes, inside this $1 Chinese wooden box frequency counter there is a special circuit designed by a master Radionics technician (MRT ?). Apparently because of this reason it does not require a battery.

For some reason I actually believe them that the box is made IN THA UNITED STATES OF AMURCA... By the MRT with a glue gun ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: BitShard on September 14, 2014, 09:54:36 am
Seen this one before?

http://geetinternational.com/GEET%20-%20Small%20Engine%20Conversion%20Plans%5B1%5D.pdf (http://geetinternational.com/GEET%20-%20Small%20Engine%20Conversion%20Plans%5B1%5D.pdf)

Supposedly a modification which allows your engines to run on just about anything by transmuting them to lighter elements... Or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on September 14, 2014, 03:37:28 pm
The engine runs on the Petrol/gas that floats on top of the banana custard or whatever is in the glass jar the rso called reactor just ensures that any liquid drawn in is vaporised as the petrol/gas runs low in the jar. The engine will run (just) but you wont be able to drive much with it. :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: janoc on September 15, 2014, 10:44:05 pm
If you think you knew everything about frequency measurement techniques,  watch this and learn how to operate a Radionics frequency counter and get some goodies along the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtVcUp7S6U&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtVcUp7S6U&feature=player_embedded)

And yes, inside this $1 Chinese wooden box frequency counter there is a special circuit designed by a master Radionics technician (MRT ?). Apparently because of this reason it does not require a battery.

Wow! I am sure all witches are getting unionized now because this thing is going to put them out of business.

Seriously :wtf:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on October 14, 2014, 03:04:53 pm
More Cold Fussion snake-oil this guy is back duping investors:

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/05/21/the-e-cat-is-back-and-people-are-still-falling-for-it/ (http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/05/21/the-e-cat-is-back-and-people-are-still-falling-for-it/)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on October 15, 2014, 02:01:39 pm
If you think you knew everything about frequency measurement techniques,  watch this and learn how to operate a Radionics frequency counter and get some goodies along the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtVcUp7S6U&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtVcUp7S6U&feature=player_embedded)

And yes, inside this $1 Chinese wooden box frequency counter there is a special circuit designed by a master Radionics technician (MRT ?). Apparently because of this reason it does not require a battery.
Quote
Comments are disabled for this video.
I wonder why...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Refrigerator on October 29, 2014, 06:46:07 pm
If only there was a way to harvest human stupidity...... :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Artlav on October 29, 2014, 07:56:07 pm
If only there was a way to harvest human stupidity...... :palm:
Perhaps that's why aliens would invade the Earth one day. :)

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Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blackice504 on November 02, 2014, 08:44:38 am
This guy is not exactly selling anything but he is pedaling some grade a bullshit, i tried to explain but it did not want to understand or just does not care, you may see my comments on youtube if there still there.

Anyway to the point he is trying to convince people that using some space from your SD card as ram in your phone by using it as a SWAP drive, he seems to believe that SWAP is RAM, but anyway here is the link and be ready for the shits and giggles.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/GBd6LT55vr0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBd6LT55vr0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBd6LT55vr0)

 ;D

I love how he defends him self, by the classic ID10T line My views say he is correct  :-DD .
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: RLBennett on November 06, 2014, 04:13:02 pm
Don't know about you guys, I built a Tesla coil for a science fair when I was eigth grade. Was only 4 feet tall and driven with a 30kv neon transformer. Lots of ozone and audible noise along with RF noise. Can you imagine if Tesla had actually got his "wireless" electrity working? It would have made radio telecomm totally useless by wiping out the RF spectrum probably up into the SHF region. I had a similar RFI issue from an FM radio station with some improperly bonded lightning drains at the top of the tower. From 5 miles away, the RFI wiped out channel 5 and 12. People that lived within a mile or closer got so much RFI, their landline (hard-wired) phones were made useless, not to mention their radio and TV reception. Took me three months to find the source and another month to convince the FCC the RFI was real and where it was emmitted. Another month or so for the station engineer to admit the problem and get it fixed. The RFI occured intermittantly, some days it was absent and other days just blanking everything from DC to over 600 MHz. The same thing would have hapened with a Tesla wireless electricy transmission system. Guess thats why the FCC does not "certify" spark-gap transmitters?
Now, if I could figure out how to harness the energy from lightning! Kites, wire and lotsa capacitors? Maybe I can get my ex-wife to try it. :)
Title: Re: The snake oil thread...
Post by: AndersAnd on November 06, 2014, 05:07:58 pm
Not exactly tech/engineering related, but fits the snake oil thread perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6rUU0K9xE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6rUU0K9xE)

...it's painful...
Homeopathy & Nutritionists vs Real Science! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnbFgRv8-Kw#ws)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: RLBennett on November 07, 2014, 01:45:12 am
Damn! I thought string theory was tin cans and a peice of string! E=C2? Ummm yea...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: MFX on November 09, 2014, 10:49:36 pm
FFS!

http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/ (http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TheBay on November 17, 2014, 04:56:12 pm
FFS!

http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/ (http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg)

OH MY! Not only is the video shocking, he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about and cannot do a presentation.

One battery is connected directly to an Inverter, the other one is running a motor! The wires are jammed on the one battery, the whole thing looks like it's been thrown together, this is such a SCAM it needs to be reported. The water part is doing NOTHING! It's getting power from an inverter being fed from a battery!

The rear fan is a Bit Fenix PC FAN! It's just crap chucked together, not even IP Rated sockets, back boxes nothing LOL

http://pesn.com/2014/10/27/9602557_GDS-Technologies_not-ready-to-go-yet/2014-10-27_time_07_42_58-MDT_call-to_Greg-Potter.mp3 (http://pesn.com/2014/10/27/9602557_GDS-Technologies_not-ready-to-go-yet/2014-10-27_time_07_42_58-MDT_call-to_Greg-Potter.mp3)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cloudscapes on November 20, 2014, 09:48:33 pm
They're not even trying to hide the batteries. I find that immediately suspicious.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Noise Floor on November 22, 2014, 04:13:38 pm
Why are they calling it "portable water generators", that makes it sound to me like it generates water, not power.   :-//
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blackice504 on November 29, 2014, 02:33:32 pm
FFS!

http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/ (http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg)

OH MY! Not only is the video shocking, he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about and cannot do a presentation.

One battery is connected directly to an Inverter, the other one is running a motor! The wires are jammed on the one battery, the whole thing looks like it's been thrown together, this is such a SCAM it needs to be reported. The water part is doing NOTHING! It's getting power from an inverter being fed from a battery!

The rear fan is a Bit Fenix PC FAN! It's just crap chucked together, not even IP Rated sockets, back boxes nothing LOL

http://pesn.com/2014/10/27/9602557_GDS-Technologies_not-ready-to-go-yet/2014-10-27_time_07_42_58-MDT_call-to_Greg-Potter.mp3 (http://pesn.com/2014/10/27/9602557_GDS-Technologies_not-ready-to-go-yet/2014-10-27_time_07_42_58-MDT_call-to_Greg-Potter.mp3)

That was cool and funny but did you notice as well at 0.36 the safety switch is um glued on..........Its Safe..........maybe

Then at 0.56 take a close look at the way that panel is fitted into the sheet metal um i have actually cut better then that with the limited tools i have ffs.
Clearly they just eyed it when cutting the hole for that panel if people buy this, i will lose faith in humanity.

nice find.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: nkw on December 11, 2014, 08:47:53 pm
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but just ran across this on Amazon:

http://amzn.com/B00DNIIETK (http://amzn.com/B00DNIIETK)

It feels like a joint venture of the Monster cable people and homeopathy. I can't decide if the reviews are sad or funny.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: electr_peter on December 11, 2014, 09:22:53 pm
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but just ran across this on Amazon:
http://amzn.com/B00DNIIETK (http://amzn.com/B00DNIIETK)
It feels like a joint venture of the Monster cable people and homeopathy. I can't decide if the reviews are sad or funny.
For $50 it should really remove some EMF from buyer's pocket.
A scam, but not a new scam - devices similar to these were sold multiple times before (for example, add on small caps for car battery).

Hopefully, device is only plastic case with 3 pins unconnected. If it has something inside, I would be really worried about safety (smoke/heat/fire/short circuit/flashover/wasted socket).
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Whales on December 13, 2014, 02:45:31 am
This does have a legit use if your old radios or TVs are getting poor reception, assuming it has a line filter inside it.  It costs a lot for that however.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: amyk on December 13, 2014, 03:10:16 am
From the review it looks like they took a standard plug and filled it with epoxy.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: m4rv on January 05, 2015, 08:31:58 pm
For anyone who really loves their audio, and hates their bank balance:
http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=1564 (http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=1564)

Yep... that's a UK mains plug to 16Amp IEC, 1 metre long, for a mere £5500 which will, of course, make all your music sound....... EXACTLY THE F*@#ING SAME!

They even offer a "burn in" service!  :-DD

Also:
http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=2436 (http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=2436)
and:
http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=0029 (http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=0029)

and pretty much anything else from this website.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr.B on January 05, 2015, 08:46:55 pm
Are the big lumps of wood to make it more effective when you are beating yourself with it after realising you have just been had...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: janekm on January 09, 2015, 06:07:21 am
For anyone who really loves their audio, and hates their bank balance:
http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=1564 (http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=1564)

Yep... that's a UK mains plug to 16Amp IEC, 1 metre long, for a mere £5500 which will, of course, make all your music sound....... EXACTLY THE F*@#ING SAME!

They even offer a "burn in" service!  :-DD

Also:
http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=2436 (http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=2436)
and:
http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=0029 (http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=0029)

and pretty much anything else from this website.

Well, to be fair, they have demonstrated that those cables can reject conducted noise reasonably well: http://www.russandrews.com/downloads/SKtest.pdf (http://www.russandrews.com/downloads/SKtest.pdf)

Though in that same report they quite rightly point out: "Similarly, the graphs do not prove that the rejection measured in the lab has a perceptible (ie audible) effect when the cables are used in a Hi-Fi or Home Cinema System."

I could think of some cheaper means of rejecting conducted noise in a power cable though ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: coppice on January 09, 2015, 06:13:51 am
I could think of some cheaper means of rejecting conducted noise in a power cable though ;)
If conducted noise is your concern, then don't listen to classical or romantic orchestras. Stick to baroque, where there is no conductor, and the orchestra is lead from the keyboard.  ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: PTR_1275 on January 11, 2015, 02:39:31 am
I'm glad that the gds water generator has been mentioned. Did anyone else notice in the video that the ammeter doesn't increase when he turns the vacuum cleaner on?

He also spends far too much time describing the features of things like the wheels and power outlets.

I overthought the process and thought he might be using the battery to split the water, then the generator is running off the produced hydrogen. While it wouldn't be perpetual because the water might be the energy source, I don't know how much energy is lost in producing hydrogen from water and then burning it. I did find somewhere that he said the water was burnt as is and wasn't split into hydrogen.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: devanno on January 11, 2015, 07:23:21 am
I'm glad that the gds water generator has been mentioned. Did anyone else notice in the video that the ammeter doesn't increase when he turns the vacuum cleaner on?

He also spends far too much time describing the features of things like the wheels and power outlets.

I overthought the process and thought he might be using the battery to split the water, then the generator is running off the produced hydrogen. While it wouldn't be perpetual because the water might be the energy source, I don't know how much energy is lost in producing hydrogen from water and then burning it. I did find somewhere that he said the water was burnt as is and wasn't split into hydrogen.

This was sooo bad, I thought it was done as a farce.  I still do.

Of course, the classic "fun" goofy video is the Turboencabulator.. my favorite of this is this version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4)  Be sure to watch to the point where the guy gets into the diagnosis part.   :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: PTR_1275 on January 12, 2015, 11:35:44 pm
How about this one that popped up on my Facebook feed

www.voltband.com.au (http://www.voltband.com.au)

All it shows is that it is a band that goes on one arm of your pliers turning them into a volt stick.

2 (poorly) photoshopped photos on their website with no further information. No place for the circuitry / battery, no explanation how it would work if there is no sense circuit / battery. But you can preorder for $50

No contact details, no delivery dates, nothing. I sense a scam that a lot of electricians should be smart enough to avoid.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on January 15, 2015, 09:19:11 pm
The voltband is probably a temperature sensitive liquid crystal, the current  flowing through the pliers to ground via the person holding them heats the band so it changes colour. >:D  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: DIPLover on January 16, 2015, 10:28:42 pm
I could think of some cheaper means of rejecting conducted noise in a power cable though ;)
If conducted noise is your concern, then don't listen to classical or romantic orchestras. Stick to baroque, where there is no conductor, and the orchestra is lead from the keyboard.  ;)

:clap:
Title: Fancy a new ethernet cable?
Post by: SNGLinks on February 18, 2015, 08:39:09 am
http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8040/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-8m/ (http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8040/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-8m/)
Title: Re: Fancy a new ethernet cable?
Post by: G7PSK on February 18, 2015, 09:44:23 am
http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8040/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-8m/ (http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8040/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-8m/)

What use is that, it is only a one directional Ethernet cable, so either you cannot receive or send on broad band without reversing the cable. :-DD :-DD
Definitely not worth £4000-00 for 8 meters. :--
Title: Re: Fancy a new ethernet cable?
Post by: idpromnut on February 19, 2015, 12:06:19 am
http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8040/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-8m/ (http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8040/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-8m/)

My goodness, I felt dirty just reading the product description  *shudder*.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Phaedrus on February 19, 2015, 12:15:41 am
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Insulation is also a commodoty that slows down a signal so AQ have featured their Dielectric-Bias System (DBS); a self-generated stable electrostatic field which reduces energy storage and non-linear time delays to a minimum.

What?  :bullshit:

Oh, is that one of those things where they stick a CR2032 in the cable to give a DC bias?
Title: Re: Fancy a new ethernet cable?
Post by: Excavatoree on February 19, 2015, 02:53:04 pm
http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8040/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-8m/ (http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8040/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-8m/)

What use is that, it is only a one directional Ethernet cable, so either you cannot receive or send on broad band without reversing the cable. :-DD :-DD
Definitely not worth £4000-00 for 8 meters. :--

you must have to run two of them, with some sort of switch, otherwise you couldn't tell your NAS what music file you wanted.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: tom66 on February 19, 2015, 03:00:47 pm
The way it works is if you send music along the cable it makes it dirty and noisy, but if you receive it back along the cable it automatically cleans it up. It's sort of like a unidirectional filter for the bits.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: salamander on February 19, 2015, 04:37:28 pm
Premium sound SD card? http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/02/19/sony-to-offer-premium-sound-memory-card/?mod=WSJBlog (http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/02/19/sony-to-offer-premium-sound-memory-card/?mod=WSJBlog)
 :-DD
I nearly died laughing :D

160dollars for 64gb, oh Sony ...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: electr_peter on February 19, 2015, 05:59:32 pm
Premium sound SD card? http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/02/19/sony-to-offer-premium-sound-memory-card/?mod=WSJBlog (http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/02/19/sony-to-offer-premium-sound-memory-card/?mod=WSJBlog)
 :-DD
I nearly died laughing :D

160dollars for 64gb, oh Sony ...
Sony is not a good brand for some time. And now Sony steps into voodoo land. :-//
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Jad.z on February 19, 2015, 09:48:55 pm
I think they specially designed this microSD for their 1200$ "128 GB Walkman Hi-Res Digital Music Player" MP3  :palm:.

Link (http://store.sony.com/128-gb-walkman-hi-res-digital-music-player-zid27-NWZX2BLK/cat-27-catid-All-MP3-Players;pgid=WO98anstcHdSRqCeusqdK8v70000aHRFtH-x?_t=pfm%3Dsearch%26SearchTerm%3DNW-ZX2#)

It's looking more and more like Sony is going the way of the dodo.....or should I say the way of Nokia.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on February 25, 2015, 12:49:55 pm
Quote
It's looking more and more like Sony is going the way of the dodo.....or should I say the way of Nokia.
About time, they've done enough bad stuff in their time (rootkits, Linux support for PS3 removal...)

Quote
http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8040/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-8m/
For that amount of money for a cable I'd expect superconductivity at room temperatures, the ability to send data back in time/receive them from the future... apparently all I get is better sound... somehow?  :-//
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: codeboy2k on February 25, 2015, 04:51:12 pm
It's looking more and more like Sony is going the way of the dodo.....or should I say the way of Nokia.

Oh oh. I better sell my original MD player and spare MD disks before it's too late :)

I got hosed by Sony so many times.. with all their format changes and dropping support EVERYTIME along the way.... I stopped buying Sony gear for that very reason.

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: miguelvp on February 26, 2015, 05:15:28 am
Too bad everyone gets PS4s instead of XB1s at double the rate.
But sure, a couple of K$ will get you a PC that is better  :P

I don't think Sony is going anywhere anytime soon.

Source:
http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2015/Global/ (http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2015/Global/)
http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2014/Global/ (http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2014/Global/)

Check the hardware sales
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: coppice on February 26, 2015, 05:22:14 am
It's looking more and more like Sony is going the way of the dodo.....or should I say the way of Nokia.

Oh oh. I better sell my original MD player and spare MD disks before it's too late :)

I got hosed by Sony so many times.. with all their format changes and dropping support EVERYTIME along the way.... I stopped buying Sony gear for that very reason.
You chose an odd example to support your argument. MD was very well supported by a huge number of manufacturers right up to the time that MP3 players made MD truly obsolete.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mechanical Menace on February 26, 2015, 07:47:27 am
Too bad everyone gets PS4s instead of XB1s at double the rate.
But sure, a couple of K$ will get you a PC that is better  :P

I don't think Sony is going anywhere anytime soon.

Source:
http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2015/Global/ (http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2015/Global/)
http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2014/Global/ (http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2014/Global/)

Check the hardware sales

SCE may do well, but the whole of Sony (SCE, the music and movei studios, the consumer electronics etc) is worth less than Nintendo, a company that only makes toys.

And what do you mean a couple of thousand dollars? A dual core i3 system will piss all over the XB1 and PS4. They may have 8 cores but they're 8 smartphone class AMD cores. You can make a more powerful PC with a much better GPU (a discrete Geforce or Radeon) for about the same as a PS4, and if you're happy with a the APU GPU on the i3 just as or more powerful than the identical between consoles PS4 and XB1 for less.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: codeboy2k on February 26, 2015, 09:25:56 am
You chose an odd example to support your argument. MD was very well supported by a huge number of manufacturers right up to the time that MP3 players made MD truly obsolete.

oh, I didn't intend MD as an example. It was something that I really liked, which is why I still have it. Yes, it was very supported. But it was still another one of Sony's many dead-end formats, like Betamax, DAT, Memory Stick, UMD, all of which I had bought into.

I just segwayed into saying that I was hosed by Sony so many times ...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Richard Crowley on February 26, 2015, 01:15:55 pm
I just segued into saying that I was hosed by Sony so many times ...
I have quite a bit of Sony audio and video gear. And a couple of Sony still cameras, and several Sony computers, as well. And, indeed I have my share of failed Sony proprietary formats like MD and Memory Stick.

However, back in the 1970s, I caught myself from buying into yet another failed format: Elcassette. That was like the Phillips Compact Audio Cassette, except scaled up to use conventional 1/4 inch tape (vs. the 1/8 inch tape in the regular cassette).

I was seriously considering buying a recorder, but I asked the sales-gerb at Pacific Stereo about the availability of the tape cassettes. He told me they didn't stock the media, and the only cassette available was the one that came with the machine(!)

And I have several Sony VAIO computers which are now orphans since Sony is departing the computer biz.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Jad.z on February 26, 2015, 02:44:03 pm
I just segwayed into saying that I was hosed by Sony so many times ...
know you are not alone.

And I have several Sony VAIO computers which are now orphans since Sony is departing the computer biz.
Not just their computer business but also their smartphone and TV businesses. Source (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/18/us-sony-strategy-idUSKBN0LM05X20150218)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Chris_PL on February 26, 2015, 04:19:17 pm
I think they specially designed this microSD for their 1200$ "128 GB Walkman Hi-Res Digital Music Player" MP3  :palm:.

Hey, it's cheap considering it has a worldwide submarine communication tuner built-in  :-DD (87 - 108 millihertz frequency range in specs)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cloudscapes on March 01, 2015, 02:30:23 pm
I'm not going to lie, I use a high definition portable audio player. Cowon J3, who are extremely highly regarded in terms of sound. Mainly because I'm a musician and want something of a reference when I'm listening to work-in-progress projects. And in regular music, it also does sound better than Apple players if you know what details to look for (and when you're a musician, you do look for details).

But it's also like $150-200. No f**king way would I spend more than a couple hundred on even a reference DAP. It's just not needed. There are extremely high quality players for a couple hundred, high def specs, great headphone amps with big caps, etc. If Sony think it's a good idea to charge over a grand for something you can get for $200, they're completely out of their minds.  |O
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: devanno on March 04, 2015, 04:38:26 pm
Sorry if this one has been covered before... I haven't had time to read all the threads.. but this is just classic.  Please note the price. 

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AQWELINT&opt=1153 (http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AQWELINT&opt=1153)

Some of the fun stuff "dialectric biasing" "perfect surface silver conductors"  "FEP air-tube dielectric"

Puhleeze.... :palm:

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: AndersAnd on March 06, 2015, 03:17:28 pm
Premium sound SD card? http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/02/19/sony-to-offer-premium-sound-memory-card/?mod=WSJBlog (http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/02/19/sony-to-offer-premium-sound-memory-card/?mod=WSJBlog)
 :-DD
I nearly died laughing :D

160dollars for 64gb, oh Sony ...
Made it to the EEVblog:

EEVblog #719 – Sony Low Noise Audiophile SDXC Memory Card
http://www.eevblog.com/2015/03/01/eevblog-719-sony-low-noise-audiophile-sdxc-memory-card/ (http://www.eevblog.com/2015/03/01/eevblog-719-sony-low-noise-audiophile-sdxc-memory-card/)

(http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Sony-SR-64HXA-Low-Noise-Memory-Card-50.jpg)

EEVblog #719 - Sony Low Noise Audiophile SDXC Memory Card (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO-vbzLPwSc#ws)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: jonwil on March 17, 2015, 10:28:23 am
Saw something on Shark Tank this week that I think fits in here. One of the inventors claims that he can somehow magically extract 10w of power from a 3w bicycle hub dynamo and spouts off some techno babble to somehow explain how this is possible. The website for this mob is http://www.klite.com.au/ (http://www.klite.com.au/) and the TV show can be viewed on the Channel 10 catch-up site.

Anyone here want to attempt to explain if its possible to get 10w of power from a 3w dynamo or if its all snake oil and BS...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on March 17, 2015, 01:38:55 pm
I am sure you could get 10 watts from a 3 watt bike dynamo you just have to turn it fast enough to raise the voltage, after all cycle dynamos are not regulated so up the voltage and you up the power out until they burn up.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: meeder on April 08, 2015, 08:07:44 pm
You chose an odd example to support your argument. MD was very well supported by a huge number of manufacturers right up to the time that MP3 players made MD truly obsolete.

oh, I didn't intend MD as an example. It was something that I really liked, which is why I still have it. Yes, it was very supported. But it was still another one of Sony's many dead-end formats, like Betamax, DAT, Memory Stick, UMD, all of which I had bought into.

I just segwayed into saying that I was hosed by Sony so many times ...

MD did do a whole lot better than what Philips had to offer at that time, the DCC or Digital Compact Cassette. Although the sound quality was (at least on paper) a bit better than MD the lack of instant track selection killed the DCC very quickly.
Just as Sony had some dead-end formats Philips had them as well... The V2000 video system or example, technically superior on every aspect to VHS failed because they didn't want to license the technology to other manufacturers and VHS was widely licensed so that became the standard. Sadly for a lot of people the urban V2000 vs. VHS myth isn't true.... The urban myth is about the availability of certain types of movies ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: lincoln on April 28, 2015, 11:54:53 pm
I will just leave this here....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4rV0AoI-Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4rV0AoI-Q)

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mechanical Menace on April 29, 2015, 12:01:43 am
I will just leave this here....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4rV0AoI-Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4rV0AoI-Q)

When it comes to the Cult of Tesla I always wonder, what would Tesla say to them when he was still sort of sane?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: lincoln on April 29, 2015, 12:08:47 am
I,,, I, sigh,  I got a hour long dissertation form a guy, He is a nice guy but, well lacks fundmentals, ie power is not measured in volts. 
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: abigbell on May 09, 2015, 03:54:06 am
thanks for the term “snake oil”?first time hear that
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kowalski on June 01, 2015, 01:40:19 am
thanks for the term “snake oil”?first time hear that

I believe it's reference to the olden days when con artists would come to local towns and sell what they claimed to be a miracle medicine. Snake oil is one of the best examples of that, as it claimed to be a cure-all and the ultimate solution for aches and pains. It was a quick way to make a buck.

These days I assume people do it for Youtube money, to sell a bogus "guide" or just to troll. Snake oil "innovations" are common these days as the speed of technology advances are causing people to believe that we will all be the Jetsons in the next 3 years and anyone who disagrees is an uptight stubborn naysayer. Just look in the comments sections of "free energy" videos to get a better understanding.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TimFox on June 01, 2015, 02:42:31 pm
A recent documentary on the History Channel (or one of its competitors) discussed the original "Snake Oil".  The quack (late 19th century) would demonstrate rendering a snake for its oil and claimed that it was in his linament preparation.  It turned out that there was no actual snake oil in his commercial preparation.  However, there was capsaicin (from pepper) in it, so it did have some positive effect, which generated testimonials from satisfied users.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: ciccio on June 08, 2015, 11:59:16 am
Just rediscovered this:http://bybeetech.com/ (http://bybeetech.com/)
They sell audiophools "filters", or better "quantum purifiers".
This is how one of their product is claimed to  work:
Atoms are the basic building blocks of ordinary matter. Atoms can join together to form molecules, which in turn form most of the objects around you.
Atoms are composed of particles called protons, electrons and neutrons.  Protons carry a positive electrical charge, electrons carry a negative electrical charge and neutrons carry no electrical charge at all. The protons and neutrons cluster together in the central part of the atom, called the nucleus, and the electrons ‘orbit’ the nucleus.
Carbon atoms are present in all living things, and in the air.   Nearly 99% of the carbon atoms are C12 atoms, while less than 2% of the remaining atoms are C13.
Bybee Technologies has developed a product that is energized by a surrounding energy field.  Once energized, our product resonates at the same frequency as the C13 atom.  Consequently, this creates a magnetic field of force effect.   In this magnetic field, the polarity of all electrons and protons are altered, affecting their oscillation by making them more aligned with each other.  This reaction creates an affect that makes the transfer or sharing of electrons between atoms more streamline and efficient; and air molecules less resistant.


Nice...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Refrigerator on June 08, 2015, 08:35:06 pm
Just rediscovered this:http://bybeetech.com/ (http://bybeetech.com/)

Atoms are the basic building blocks of ordinary matter. Atoms can join together to form molecules, which in turn form most of the objects around you.
Atoms are composed of particles called protons, electrons and neutrons.  Protons carry a positive electrical charge, electrons carry a negative electrical charge and neutrons carry no electrical charge at all. The protons and neutrons cluster together in the central part of the atom, called the nucleus, and the electrons ‘orbit’ the nucleus.
Carbon atoms are present in all living things, and in the air.   Nearly 99% of the carbon atoms are C12 atoms, while less than 2% of the remaining atoms are C13.
Bybee Technologies has developed a product that is energized by a surrounding energy field.  Once energized, our product resonates at the same frequency as the C13 atom.  Consequently, this creates a magnetic field of force effect.   In this magnetic field, the polarity of all electrons and protons are altered, affecting their oscillation by making them more aligned with each other.  This reaction creates an affect that makes the transfer or sharing of electrons between atoms more streamline and efficient; and air molecules less resistant.



my bullshit-o-meter broke  :bullshit: :-BROKE
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on June 08, 2015, 08:46:29 pm
Naaah, 1500 USD/cable? Sounds totally legit.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Refrigerator on June 08, 2015, 08:48:11 pm
Naaah, 1500 USD/cable? Sounds totally legit.
Don't forget the $7.6k power cable.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: trodas on June 10, 2015, 06:06:22 pm
This is amaizing job - if you actually find a person who pay the price, of course. I would sell that stuff right away, because who is that stupid, deserve it  ;D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Asmyldof on June 15, 2015, 08:38:22 pm
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Large Regular Quantum Purifiers are typically used in AC applications, and with loudspeaker transducers. Specially shielded using ERS Stealth carbon fiber material.

ERS Stealth? No idea what it is, but it isn't stealthy. I can still see the tell-all shape of a standard ceramic or ferrite. If I were them I'd make it a resistor: Things that are magic need to get warm.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: MikeW on July 23, 2015, 02:06:26 pm
thanks for the term “snake oil”?first time hear that
Just look in the comments sections of "free energy" videos to get a better understanding.

Reading youtube comments of any kind is something I learned to stop doing a long time ago.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Derick Freese on July 24, 2015, 06:07:12 pm
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/gallery-we-tear-apart-a-340-audiophile-ethernet-cable-and-look-inside/ (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/gallery-we-tear-apart-a-340-audiophile-ethernet-cable-and-look-inside/)

I wonder if that hot snot was applied by the finest nude virgins China has to offer.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: walterharriman on July 30, 2015, 06:16:06 pm
Aussie50 rips apart some classic "power cleaning" bullshit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWtl4zQ944Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWtl4zQ944Q)

The power of steel plates will save us all!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on August 25, 2015, 10:57:58 am
A friend of mine found this nice audiophile related wesite: http://studiozey.com/ (http://studiozey.com/)

I welcome you to read about the Woodencapacitors: http://studiozey.com/invisistor/index.html (http://studiozey.com/invisistor/index.html)
Or about the "Invisitor": http://studiozey.com/invisistor/index.html (http://studiozey.com/invisistor/index.html)

I'm just speechless  :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on August 25, 2015, 11:16:32 am
I'm just speechless  :palm:

You're not speechless, it's just the "invisibleness" of your voice!

It's like the guy is just sitting there trying to make it up! :D

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Zucca on August 25, 2015, 11:30:11 am
http://studiozey.com/ (http://studiozey.com/)

This one is hard to beat...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: codeboy2k on August 25, 2015, 12:54:16 pm
wow... those wooden caps .... I'm just speechless....  and those cotton wrapped resistors !

These look prettier though...
http://www.v-cap.com/tftf-capacitors.php (http://www.v-cap.com/tftf-capacitors.php)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on August 25, 2015, 01:05:32 pm
If it's just for looks, the Dueland Cast capacitors are a winner: http://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/duelund_cast.html (http://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/duelund_cast.html)

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on August 25, 2015, 01:25:51 pm
£13.5 for a 0-1K 1/4W resistor: (muuuch bigger than a huge 10W resitor!) but with golden plated copper pins ! Wonderful ! :-/O

http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/index.html (http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/index.html)

With a tolerance of +/-1%? Hum.. I seriously doubt about this tolerance, I'm sure he just trim unless his multimeter give the value -/+1%, but he basicaly forgot that his cheap $10 multimeter does not have a 1% tolerance... :D (and is surely not calibrated  :scared: :bullshit:)

Does anyone have money to waste to do a teardown/scam review of these things?
I'm starting to think that it's just a standard resistor wrapped in fancy stuffs
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: codeboy2k on August 25, 2015, 01:47:24 pm
Does anyone have money to waste to do a teardown/scam review of these things?
I'm starting to think that it's just a standard resistor wrapped in fancy stuffs

I was thinking the same thing..just going to be a resistor in there...  then he goes on about the specially mixed resin composition that he creates... I started to think maybe he actually did make a resistor from something... but that still doesn't mean it has all the "natural" qualities he claims it has simply because he made it with all-natural bran flakes....

And if he did make up some magical composition that has resistive properties, then it probably has TERRIBLE temperature and voltage coefficients.   Getting it right and stable for voltage and temperature is not going to be easy, and certainly not going to be something available from natural resin and pulp/silk/cotton ingredients.

Yes, maybe someone should start a GoFundMe for audiophoolery busting :)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on August 25, 2015, 01:56:44 pm
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because he made it with all-natural bran flakes....

Do you mean he found his new material for resistors in his morning breakfast cereals?

That would make sense, the number of time a few part of the circuit I'm working on fell in my morning coffee in the morning... If I was eating cereals I would have found that before him :(

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on August 25, 2015, 01:57:42 pm
Yes, maybe someone should start a GoFundMe for audiophoolery busting :)

If they do, they should start here with AudioQuests "Theory & Education" whitepapers: http://www.audioquest.com/theory-education/ (http://www.audioquest.com/theory-education/) a joy to read. They even explain directional cables!

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on August 25, 2015, 02:09:19 pm
McBryce: Do they also explain bi-cabling and the fact that lower frequency need a larger copper section that higher frequency audio stuffs??
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on August 25, 2015, 02:35:57 pm
Yup, they certainly do! If you have a few minutes of your life that you're willing to sacrafice, try reading this one: http://www.audioquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/DoNoHarm-whitepaper-1222-11-r11.pdf (http://www.audioquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/DoNoHarm-whitepaper-1222-11-r11.pdf)

My personal favourite is the bit about the signals having to jump from strand to strand in multi-core cables and how they use the "ultimate test equipment: The human ear" to test which direction the copper best allows the electrons to flow in  :)

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on August 25, 2015, 03:53:18 pm
Yup, they certainly do! If you have a few minutes of your life that you're willing to sacrafice, try reading this one: http://www.audioquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/DoNoHarm-whitepaper-1222-11-r11.pdf (http://www.audioquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/DoNoHarm-whitepaper-1222-11-r11.pdf)

My personal favourite is the bit about the signals having to jump from strand to strand in multi-core cables and how they use the "ultimate test equipment: The human ear" to test which direction the copper best allows the electrons to flow in  :)

McBryce.

Ohhh thanks for that nice reading, you should put a laugh/spray warning on this one because I nearly exploded and fall on the ground of laughing when I saw what I attached.
Is that something needed to really enjoy their product?

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mechanical Menace on August 25, 2015, 05:53:24 pm
If you have a few minutes of your life that you're willing to sacrafice, try reading this one: http://www.audioquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/DoNoHarm-whitepaper-1222-11-r11.pdf (http://www.audioquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/DoNoHarm-whitepaper-1222-11-r11.pdf)

Quote
Counter Spiral geometry takes the group of negative conductors and spirals them one way while the group of positive conductors encases the negatives and spirals in the opposite direction. This ensures that there is minimum interaction between the positive & negative conductors, reducing distortion caused by the magnetic fields that surround each conductor...

If the magnetic fields are such an issue surely only plugging in one of the wires would reduce the interaction and "distortion caused by the magnetic fields" to the minimum leading to the ultimate listening experience...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on August 25, 2015, 08:16:12 pm
You're not seriously trying to argue against an Audiophile statement with logic and common sense are you??  You haven't a chance. :popcorn:

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: FreeJoule on August 31, 2015, 08:09:47 pm
New innovative way to harvest free energy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF_zpRyor1M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF_zpRyor1M)


Just be careful, don't scream on the sack of potato!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on September 01, 2015, 01:03:45 am
For those who play video games, it remind me about a special potato:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSk_37So0Xk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSk_37So0Xk)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: walterharriman on September 03, 2015, 09:40:59 am
Ars Technica tore apart one of these audiophool Ethernet cables a while back: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/gallery-we-tear-apart-a-340-audiophile-ethernet-cable-and-look-inside/ (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/gallery-we-tear-apart-a-340-audiophile-ethernet-cable-and-look-inside/) They also did a blind test on them. $1 to anybody who can guess the results...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blueskull on September 16, 2015, 07:26:12 am
Once I heard an Italian company claiming their resistor ladder audio DAC is more accurate than sigma delta based designs, and they use 0.1% resistors without oversampling! I would like to know how it is possible to achieve 24 bit accuracy (1/16777216, about 5.96*10^-8) from 0.1% parts without sigma delta modulation and dynamic elements matching. Even 16 bit converters require better tolerance.

And they sells for $$$$ to $$$$$.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on September 16, 2015, 07:56:12 am
Quote
Once I heard an Italian company claiming their resistor ladder audio DAC is more accurate than sigma delta based designs, and they use 0.1% resistors without oversampling! I would like to know how it is possible to achieve 24 bit accuracy (1/16777216, about 5.96*10^-8) from 0.1% parts without sigma delta modulation and dynamic elements matching. Even 16 bit converters require better tolerance.
Why it's simple - a gray beard hand picks the resistors by measuring them on an ancient tube resistance meter, then puts each one in a special oscillator jig and listens to it for one hour. Based on this he pairs the resistors together. These are sent to a secret isolated island in the pacific, where nude virgins hand solder the final assembly and weave cables from raw silver thread and moon light. This is sent back to the greybeards back home, where it is listened to most vigorously and the copper is again hand trimmed to the final specs by means of a fine file.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on September 29, 2015, 08:41:54 pm
http://www.coreonehealth.com/coreone-store/emf-detection-protection/pocket-diodes.html (http://www.coreonehealth.com/coreone-store/emf-detection-protection/pocket-diodes.html)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: amyk on September 30, 2015, 12:53:43 am
http://www.coreonehealth.com/coreone-store/emf-detection-protection/pocket-diodes.html (http://www.coreonehealth.com/coreone-store/emf-detection-protection/pocket-diodes.html)
I bet that doesn't even contain an actual diode.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: ciccio on September 30, 2015, 08:26:41 am
Very interesting:
The all-natural elemental diode is in a formula base of forty-seven different energy frequencies. It is molded into different strengths and forms to be worn on the body or placed on devices that emit electromagnetic radiation. A diode is defined as a device with a two-element electron tube or semiconductor through which a current can pass in only one direction. The natural elemental diode’s energy current moves in one direction, giving a positive spin of energy. The elemental diode also acts as a rectifier by keeping the body’s energies and meridians in perfect balance.
so if I wear it on the wrong side my energy will be lowered?
I accidentally washed my Personal Diode. Is it ruined?
We suggest you place the diode in the sun to recharge its energy. Place in direct sunlight for 30 minutes on each side.

They invented a rechargeable diode.....
Best regards
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on September 30, 2015, 08:36:07 am
Quote
They invented a rechargeable diode.....
They should team up with batteriser to get a longer life time out of it.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: g.lewarne on October 03, 2015, 08:13:32 pm
Very interesting:
The all-natural elemental diode is in a formula base of forty-seven different energy frequencies. It is molded into different strengths and forms to be worn on the body or placed on devices that emit electromagnetic radiation. A diode is defined as a device with a two-element electron tube or semiconductor through which a current can pass in only one direction. The natural elemental diode’s energy current moves in one direction, giving a positive spin of energy. The elemental diode also acts as a rectifier by keeping the body’s energies and meridians in perfect balance.
so if I wear it on the wrong side my energy will be lowered?
I accidentally washed my Personal Diode. Is it ruined?
We suggest you place the diode in the sun to recharge its energy. Place in direct sunlight for 30 minutes on each side.

They invented a rechargeable diode.....
Best regards

that is the most hilarious pile of utter bunkum I think I have ever read.  Sadly, there are lots of people who want to believe in this sort of crap.

I think I shall develop my own Crystal oscillation field balancer. maybe 32khz?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Connoiseur on October 08, 2015, 02:21:06 am
What do they think? Their competitors use iron or nichrome in their products?  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blueskull on October 08, 2015, 02:28:51 am
What do they think? Their competitors use iron or nichrome in their products?  :-DD

16.8n vs 28.2n, copper can save a lot of electricity compared to aluminum. It definitely makes sense.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Stuart Coyle on October 12, 2015, 01:20:20 am
Three out of five people in a non-blinded trial failed to notice any difference using the pocket-diode. Surely it therefore works as advertised...ffs.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: crispy_tofu on October 12, 2015, 03:52:29 am
100% of the time, it works none of the time!  :-DD
Some of these are hilarious...  ;D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: GNU_Ninja on October 16, 2015, 10:37:38 am
http://www.coreonehealth.com/coreone-store/emf-detection-protection/pocket-diodes.html (http://www.coreonehealth.com/coreone-store/emf-detection-protection/pocket-diodes.html)

 :wtf:

That website has really made my day  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Stuart Coyle on October 22, 2015, 12:13:24 am
I found this www.bobbeck.com (http://www.bobbeck.com) the other day. There is a pdf that includes full schematics (for what that is worth). Perhaps we should encourage Bob Beck to take part in the OSHW movement.

The site also links to sota.com that manufacture the pulsers etc, they sell a thing with batteries, an led and an LM358 oscillator for $280.00. www.sota.com/silver-pulser.html (http://www.sota.com/silver-pulser.html) Maybe the electrodes are pure silver?

I have a degree in physics and no idea how a 4Hz square wave is supposed to create colloidal silver, maybe Bob studied different physics to me.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: crispy_tofu on October 22, 2015, 12:17:28 am
http://www.coreonehealth.com/coreone-store/emf-detection-protection/pocket-diodes.html (http://www.coreonehealth.com/coreone-store/emf-detection-protection/pocket-diodes.html)

 :wtf:

That website has really made my day  :-DD

But are you interested in the:
Super Digital Cellphone Diode
Only double the price!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on October 22, 2015, 07:59:55 am
I found this www.bobbeck.com (http://www.bobbeck.com) the other day. There is a pdf that includes full schematics (for what that is worth). Perhaps we should encourage Bob Beck to take part in the OSHW movement.

The site also links to sota.com that manufacture the pulsers etc, they sell a thing with batteries, an led and an LM358 oscillator for $280.00. www.sota.com/silver-pulser.html (http://www.sota.com/silver-pulser.html) Maybe the electrodes are pure silver?

I have a degree in physics and no idea how a 4Hz square wave is supposed to create colloidal silver, maybe Bob studied different physics to me.

Incomplete schematics, it doesn't show where you need to sprinkle the magical fairy dust!

And I was hoping to save myself about $279 by building my own :(

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Gribo on October 26, 2015, 08:37:47 pm
 :palm: This is horrible. It will be the main reason the cockroaches will win against humanity.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on October 26, 2015, 08:45:39 pm
But what Dave put on twitter today is even better:

http://www.madscientist-audio.com/magictubes.html (http://www.madscientist-audio.com/magictubes.html)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blueskull on October 26, 2015, 09:00:26 pm
But what Dave put on twitter today is even better:

http://www.madscientist-audio.com/magictubes.html (http://www.madscientist-audio.com/magictubes.html)

Their website title stated clearly that they are mad.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Stuart Coyle on October 29, 2015, 02:29:43 am
Let me guess...the black powder is pepper and the white is salt. Seasons your audio perfectly.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on October 29, 2015, 10:20:12 am
Let me guess...the black powder is pepper and the white is salt. Seasons your audio perfectly.

:D


Not directly electronic (even if there are in the fake woody stuff):

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676993694/solu-a-new-breed-of-computing (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676993694/solu-a-new-breed-of-computing)

Sounds like a fishy stuff and lots of snake oil...
(The best part is the "OS made from scratch". Don't know why, but I can't think it's true)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on October 29, 2015, 10:28:26 am
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Let me guess...the black powder is pepper and the white is salt. Seasons your audio perfectly.
Nope, it's finely ground bullshit, with a dash of scamdinavium.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mechanical Menace on October 29, 2015, 05:12:05 pm
(The best part is the "OS made from scratch". Don't know why, but I can't think it's true)

Probably because they don't show it off at all. I'm sure more than a few of us on here have made hobby OSs and have bored people senseless showing off that we've got VESA text mode supported and a rudimentary CLI with like a whole 5 commands!!!1! Oh and they claim support for Android apps so my gut feeling is they've taken a bare bones AOSP build and written their own GUI at most. Probably just made a custom launcher...

Their choice of hardware also makes it pretty certain that even if they did write the rest of the OS themselves they're using the Linux kernel* as I doubt Nvidia would release drivers for a closed source no name OS/kernel. To the best of my knowledge they don't even support BSD kernels for Tegra devices, only Linux and Windows.


*Whether you can claim to have written an OS from scratch when using someone else's kernel is debateable
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on October 29, 2015, 05:18:32 pm
(The best part is the "OS made from scratch". Don't know why, but I can't think it's true)

Probably because they don't show it off at all. I'm sure more than a few of us on here have made hobby OSs and have bored people senseless showing off that we've got VESA text mode supported and a rudimentary CLI with like a whole 5 commands!!!1! Oh and they claim support for Android apps so my gut feeling is they've taken a bare bones AOSP build and written their own GUI at most. Probably just made a custom launcher...

Their choice of hardware makes also makes it pretty certain that even if they did write the rest of the OS themselves they're using the Linux kernel* as I doubt Nvidia would release drivers for a closed source no name OS/kernel. To the best of my knowledge they don't even support BSD kernels for Tegra devices, only Linux and Windows.


*Whether you can claim to have written an OS from scratch when using someone else's kernel is debateable

There is a BIG difference between a hobby OS, something like FreeRTOS (or even less powerfull), and something like what they show that clearly use OpenGL and all of that Jazzy stuffs.

What they are calling "OS" is clearly for me just a Graphical Interface that run on top of something like, maybe Qt? or plain X11.

Anyway, I don't buy their arguments, and starting their video by "We knows that some people will say that what we are doing is just crap" is a bit arrogant.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mechanical Menace on October 29, 2015, 05:27:17 pm
...snip...

my gut feeling is they've taken a bare bones AOSP build and written their own GUI at most. Probably just made a custom launcher...

Their choice of hardware makes also makes it pretty certain that even if they did write the rest of the OS themselves they're using the Linux kernel* as I doubt Nvidia would release drivers for a closed source no name OS/kernel.

...snip...

What they are calling "OS" is clearly for me just a Graphical Interface that run on top of something like, maybe Qt? or plain X11.

I think we both agree, if not on the finer details lol ;) I'd say they are using SurfaceSlinger.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on October 29, 2015, 05:28:21 pm
...snip...

my gut feeling is they've taken a bare bones AOSP build and written their own GUI at most. Probably just made a custom launcher...

Their choice of hardware makes also makes it pretty certain that even if they did write the rest of the OS themselves they're using the Linux kernel* as I doubt Nvidia would release drivers for a closed source no name OS/kernel.

...snip...

What they are calling "OS" is clearly for me just a Graphical Interface that run on top of something like, maybe Qt? or plain X11.

I think we both agree, if not on the finer details lol ;) I'd say they are using SurfaceSlinger.

It seems that their "Coded from scratch OS" is....

Android  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kjelt on October 30, 2015, 08:19:33 am
Well it is a fresh wind and I think we should welcome that. MS and Apple have had their chances and the development is slow weak at least still using mouses invented 30 yrs ago. And not able to have full control even if you do know what you are doing.

 Although i do not like solu way of services paying $20 each month to be able to use the computer then the device itself should be free.
No way I am going to pay any company 200+ a year to use some piece of hardware/software. Good luck to them however.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: crispy_tofu on October 30, 2015, 08:39:43 am
It seems that their "Coded from scratch OS" is....

Android  :popcorn:

gasp   :-+

Quote
We embrace failure, it's a step on the path to success
...right
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: miguelvp on October 30, 2015, 02:28:03 pm
Well it is a fresh wind and I think we should welcome that. MS and Apple have had their chances and the development is slow weak at least still using mouses invented 30 yrs ago. And not able to have full control even if you do know what you are doing.

It didn't help Plan 9 to displace old OSs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs

I would have welcome it, but I guess they didn't make it because so much software was already written for other OSs that no one jumped into it, maybe some day.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: gildasd on November 07, 2015, 01:15:19 pm
This one has a good return policy:

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=21&zenid=vlLMNXtkWJ8vh1T6PhTWL1 (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=21&zenid=vlLMNXtkWJ8vh1T6PhTWL1)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on December 23, 2015, 12:51:01 pm
Not directly electronic related (though the specify a "wavelength"), but too funny to be ignored:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/solved-the-riddle-of-the-antiquities-authoritys-mysterious-gold-object/ (http://www.timesofisrael.com/solved-the-riddle-of-the-antiquities-authoritys-mysterious-gold-object/)

Link to the manufacturer:
http://weberbio.de/entstoergeraete/weber-isis-beamer-1-88.html (http://weberbio.de/entstoergeraete/weber-isis-beamer-1-88.html)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: continuo on December 23, 2015, 02:11:52 pm
Oh my God, they removed the magic seal which locked Apophis for the past 5000 years in his kingdom of darkness and now he is free and soon will rise again to destroy all mankind and swipe us from the surface of the planet. It's over, we are doomed...  :scared:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on December 23, 2015, 02:30:07 pm
Oh come on, for only €1004 you're save within a 24m radius.
Then again I wonder if the name "Isis Beamer" you be currently misunderstood.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: g.lewarne on December 23, 2015, 03:46:16 pm
Oh my God, they removed the magic seal which locked Apophis for the past 5000 years in his kingdom of darkness and now he is free and soon will rise again to destroy all mankind and swipe us from the surface of the planet. It's over, we are doomed...  :scared:

No it cannot be Apophis.  SG-1 finally killed him when they disabled the sublight drive on his replicator infested ha'tak and rammed it into his planet base.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mechanical Menace on December 23, 2015, 09:02:11 pm
Oh my God, they removed the magic seal which locked Apophis for the past 5000 years in his kingdom of darkness and now he is free and soon will rise again to destroy all mankind and swipe us from the surface of the planet. It's over, we are doomed...  :scared:

No it cannot be Apophis.  SG-1 finally killed him when they disabled the sublight drive on his replicator infested ha'tak and rammed it into his planet base.

Anubis back from the dead again maybe? Can't be Isis that's for sure. Maybe Osiris? Can't remember if they got him...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on December 24, 2015, 01:20:57 am
Oh my God, they removed the magic seal which locked Apophis for the past 5000 years in his kingdom of darkness and now he is free and soon will rise again to destroy all mankind and swipe us from the surface of the planet. It's over, we are doomed...  :scared:

No it cannot be Apophis.  SG-1 finally killed him when they disabled the sublight drive on his replicator infested ha'tak and rammed it into his planet base.

Anubis back from the dead again maybe? Can't be Isis that's for sure. Maybe Osiris? Can't remember if they got him...
We are not even sure that Râ is dead
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: g.lewarne on December 24, 2015, 01:52:07 am
We are not even sure that Râ is dead

Nuke to the face is probably enough, even for a goa'uld :p
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on December 28, 2015, 10:16:21 am
I was sent an invite to join a Facebook group today, cannot think why other my interest in radio. But this definitely belongs in the snake oil group. :-DD :-DD :wtf: :scared:

Face book link.      https://www.facebook.com/MKUltra-Revisited-1685028441746057/timeline (https://www.facebook.com/MKUltra-Revisited-1685028441746057/timeline)

Blog link.https://mkultrarevisitedagain.wordpress.com/2015/12/27/mind-control-with-silent-sounds-and-super-computers/ (https://mkultrarevisitedagain.wordpress.com/2015/12/27/mind-control-with-silent-sounds-and-super-computers/)


Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: nadien on January 10, 2016, 06:16:19 pm
Yes, but the snake oil sales people would have us believe you can
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: SNGLinks on January 17, 2016, 12:04:39 am
This is advertised on the eevblog.com site!
http://energyinnovator.org/?AFFSRC=504369 (http://energyinnovator.org/?AFFSRC=504369)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: miguelvp on January 17, 2016, 12:31:16 am
This is advertised on the eevblog.com site!
http://energyinnovator.org/?AFFSRC=504369 (http://energyinnovator.org/?AFFSRC=504369)

Not on my browser. Adsense is targeted to your browsing history or something like that.
Dave doesn't select what is displayed there as far as I know.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bob F. on January 17, 2016, 01:38:20 am
http://www.coreonehealth.com/coreone-store/emf-detection-protection/pocket-diodes.html (http://www.coreonehealth.com/coreone-store/emf-detection-protection/pocket-diodes.html)

"Wear on the left side of the body"

Methinks the person selling that junk has read "The Hitch-hiker's Guide To The Galaxy"...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bob F. on January 17, 2016, 01:53:05 am
This is advertised on the eevblog.com site!
http://energyinnovator.org/?AFFSRC=504369 (http://energyinnovator.org/?AFFSRC=504369)
Oh lawks!  Another scammer site invoking the sacred name of Our Lord Tesla!

I'm amazed the over-unity mob have not surrounded his grave with "special crystals" so that as he rapidly spins from all the bovine arse-gravy they spew, they can tap off free energy...

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: ciccio on January 17, 2016, 06:43:54 pm
I could not arrive to the end of the bullshit video..
Next summer I'll program a trip to Tesla's home town.. There I can see the mysterious device and copy it, without paying anything to this parasite.

Best regards
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: g.lewarne on January 17, 2016, 11:29:07 pm
This is advertised on the eevblog.com site!
http://energyinnovator.org/?AFFSRC=504369 (http://energyinnovator.org/?AFFSRC=504369)

does the video....ever end?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on January 18, 2016, 02:38:45 am
This is advertised on the eevblog.com site!
http://energyinnovator.org/?AFFSRC=504369 (http://energyinnovator.org/?AFFSRC=504369)

does the video....ever end?

If I'm correct the "unknown patent" they cite on the website is this one:

https://www.google.com/patents/US512340 (https://www.google.com/patents/US512340)

And of course, being able to power 5 100W lamps from 100W supply is not using anything like "free energy" of course... :D

And if you look at the DVD box they present, there is something that really look like the coil design... :D

Honestly if such a thing would even exist, it must be free, and not a commercial thing, and the "Big Energy" thing is completely stupid, all the power compan would be really happy to produce more energy and not have to expend time and money to find other way to generate energy that does not need petrol, gaz or anything that use non renewable energy.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Sal Ammoniac on January 25, 2016, 05:21:27 pm
There's snake oil in the software world too. My all-time favorite is Gibson's SpinRite.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on January 25, 2016, 06:10:40 pm
There's snake oil in the software world too. My all-time favorite is Gibson's SpinRite.
Don't forget about SoftRAM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftRAM).
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on January 26, 2016, 01:24:00 am
What is the probleme with SpinRite?
The wikipedia page does not speak about any snake oil issues
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Sal Ammoniac on January 26, 2016, 01:28:47 am
What is the probleme with SpinRite?
The wikipedia page does not speak about any snake oil issues

Gibson's website makes claims for the product that can't possibly be true. See http://radsoft.net/news/roundups/grc/20060123,00.shtml (http://radsoft.net/news/roundups/grc/20060123,00.shtml)

This quote from the above link says it all: "SpinRite is 80% hype, 10% dangerous, and 10% real substance".
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Richard Crowley on January 26, 2016, 01:33:35 am
Having actually recovered hard drives with Spinrite, that rather casts doubt more on Radsoft/Navas than on SpinRite/Gibson, IME.
In any case it is ancient history in computer years.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Sal Ammoniac on January 26, 2016, 01:42:57 am
Having actually recovered hard drives with Spinrite, that rather casts doubt more on Radsoft/Navas than on SpinRite/Gibson, IME.
In any case it is ancient history in computer years.

No one has said that SpinRite doesn't work under some circumstances, just that some of the claims that Gibson makes are absurd. His SpinRite pages read like something out of the X-Files.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: AlxDroidDev on February 03, 2016, 06:58:40 pm
Never heard of "ionic feet detox" before, but today I stumbled upon this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0QpaDNwS8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0QpaDNwS8)

110% Snake Oil!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on February 04, 2016, 03:36:12 am
Never heard of "ionic feet detox" before, but today I stumbled upon this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0QpaDNwS8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0QpaDNwS8)

110% Snake Oil!
Me neither until some weeks ago (when Clive put that on his channel) that have impressive result isn't it? :D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: SpectrHz on February 14, 2016, 09:23:18 am
Now, this made me do a double take. I'm scrolling through one of my favorite ebay sellers' products, minding my own business and BAM, I come across this, thing. It said, CD Demagnetizer. I figured, this can't be serious, no one is this ridiculous... right? I looked it up here on the forums and saw some people had posted about CD demagnetizers and how ludicrous they were, so I went to the website of the company who makes them, and they make a CD Ionizer as well!  It boggles my mind that someone would spend 500 dollars on something as assanine as a CD demagnetizer, or a CD Ionizer.

http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rio-5.html (http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rio-5.html)

http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rd-3_1.html (http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rd-3_1.html)

my favorite part is when it says
Quote
After treating both sides of a disc, the sound and picture quality will be dramatically improved. S/N ratio and dynamic range are improved and all instruments and vocals become vivid fresh. On the picture, it gives depth and excellent color contrast. Incidentally, a higher effect is provided when you use RIO-5II together with the audio demagnetizer RD-3.

treating both sides?! What, does it help you read the label better?!? Anyway, figured people on here would get a kick or ten out of this. absurd.

At least this is preying on rich with insane disposable income.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Brumby on February 14, 2016, 09:33:42 am
Insert John McEnroe response .........
Title: Snake oil
Post by: timb on February 14, 2016, 11:53:45 am
Having actually recovered hard drives with Spinrite, that rather casts doubt more on Radsoft/Navas than on SpinRite/Gibson, IME.
In any case it is ancient history in computer years.

No one has said that SpinRite doesn't work under some circumstances, just that some of the claims that Gibson makes are absurd. His SpinRite pages read like something out of the X-Files.

Yeah, I think Navas might be a little, uh, off... Here's an excerpt from the site you linked:

"McAfee used to sell 'virus free' cards to the gays in San Francisco. This was before he ever started working in IT. For a better than nominal fee, McAfee would have you tested for HIV, and if you came up clean he would give you a card good for half a year. It made it easier for the gays to get around and play like they wanted and it made it easier for McAfee to make money."

He then goes on with this elaborate conspiracy theory about John McAfee and Gibson and finally veers of into a "Gibson doesn't know any programming languages" diatribe.

That's just *one* of the nearly 50 separate very long rants this guy has about GRC. He clearly has a huge, pulsating, veiny, dripping hate boner for Steve Gibson.

http://radsoft.net/news/roundups/grc/
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: g.lewarne on February 14, 2016, 08:34:13 pm
Now, this made me do a double take. I'm scrolling through one of my favorite ebay sellers' products, minding my own business and BAM, I come across this, thing. It said, CD Demagnetizer. I figured, this can't be serious, no one is this ridiculous... right? I looked it up here on the forums and saw some people had posted about CD demagnetizers and how ludicrous they were, so I went to the website of the company who makes them, and they make a CD Ionizer as well!  It boggles my mind that someone would spend 500 dollars on something as assanine as a CD demagnetizer, or a CD Ionizer.

http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rio-5.html (http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rio-5.html)

http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rd-3_1.html (http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rd-3_1.html)

my favorite part is when it says
Quote
After treating both sides of a disc, the sound and picture quality will be dramatically improved. S/N ratio and dynamic range are improved and all instruments and vocals become vivid fresh. On the picture, it gives depth and excellent color contrast. Incidentally, a higher effect is provided when you use RIO-5II together with the audio demagnetizer RD-3.

treating both sides?! What, does it help you read the label better?!? Anyway, figured people on here would get a kick or ten out of this. absurd.

At least this is preying on rich with insane disposable income.

Wow, their catalog is filled with all sorts of crazy!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blueskull on February 14, 2016, 08:43:30 pm
Now, this made me do a double take. I'm scrolling through one of my favorite ebay sellers' products, minding my own business and BAM, I come across this, thing. It said, CD Demagnetizer. I figured, this can't be serious, no one is this ridiculous... right? I looked it up here on the forums and saw some people had posted about CD demagnetizers and how ludicrous they were, so I went to the website of the company who makes them, and they make a CD Ionizer as well!  It boggles my mind that someone would spend 500 dollars on something as assanine as a CD demagnetizer, or a CD Ionizer.

http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rio-5.html (http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rio-5.html)

http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rd-3_1.html (http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/cd_dvd/rd-3_1.html)

my favorite part is when it says
Quote
After treating both sides of a disc, the sound and picture quality will be dramatically improved. S/N ratio and dynamic range are improved and all instruments and vocals become vivid fresh. On the picture, it gives depth and excellent color contrast. Incidentally, a higher effect is provided when you use RIO-5II together with the audio demagnetizer RD-3.

treating both sides?! What, does it help you read the label better?!? Anyway, figured people on here would get a kick or ten out of this. absurd.

At least this is preying on rich with insane disposable income.

That company has been there for 20+ years! Can you believe it?
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-snake-oil-thread/?action=dlattach;attach=201550;image)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on February 15, 2016, 09:59:59 am
And they'll probably be around for another 20 years, because the machine that makes idiots doesn't take breaks.

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: BobbyK on February 21, 2016, 06:43:12 pm
There are a lot of magic devices here, mostly made by obvious charlatans, but it's amazing to see "magic" products even on Digikey http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/capacitors/aluminum-capacitors/131081?k=elna&s=42491&FV=fff40002%2Cfff80009&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25 (http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/capacitors/aluminum-capacitors/131081?k=elna&s=42491&FV=fff40002%2Cfff80009&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25), and from reputable manufacturers. Case in point:

ELNA Silmic Caps: Here is the description straight from their datasheet:

---
ELNA developed new raw material for the separate paper which use a silk fibers.
Therefore, this capacitor can give you high grade sound for your audio design.
?Due to the silk fiber's pliability, the capacitor makes a dream of the high quality
sound.
For examples ;
?To relieve the music's vibration energy.
?To decrease the peak feeling sound at high compass and rough quality sound at
middle compass.
?To increase massive sound at low compass.
?For bipolar capacitors, consult with us.

Miniature High Grade Capacitors for Audio(SILMIC)
All lead wires oxygen-free copper for extremely low distortion.
(Third high frequency distortion 10kHz,0.1A,-120dB or less)
? "SILMIC II" mark on sleeve
---

And they are rated 1000 hours at 85 degrees, which does not impress me at all!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Richard Crowley on February 21, 2016, 07:06:27 pm
So what's the problem here?  ;)

They are properly and accurately describing the quality materials.
So the dielectric is made of paper made with silk fibers.
And they say it "can give you high-grade sound".
But then they don't say that it WILL give high-grade sound, only that it CAN.
And then, of course, "high-grade sound" is defined only in the imagination of the customer.
Does silk-fiber paper behave different than whatever they normally use?
Might be a good experiment for someone to do.

And they use "oxygen-free" copper for the lead wires.
That should score some points with the audiophools.
We don't need to mention that ALL of their products use "oxygen-free" copper.
That would destroy their illusion and make them think that Elna wasn't a quality brand.

They are just trying to sell the steak by highlighting some of the "sizzle".

In a sense, they are only practicing defensive marketing.
But, of course, many of us will object to the general devolution of dumbing-down the industry.

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on February 21, 2016, 08:01:04 pm
Wow, taken one at random and see that:

1000 Hrs @ 85°C

That's pretty low quality...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Zbig on February 25, 2016, 09:35:24 pm
But then they don't say that it WILL give high-grade sound, only that it CAN.

A bit like the "Removes up to 100% of dandruff" on a bottle of "Head & Shoulders". Pure marketing evil or genius - can't decide. Probably both. It just states the obvious (well, you can't remove more than 100% of dandruff or can you?) but does not say it will remove 100% for one single person on Earth. So while it doesn't carry any useful information, it doesn't lie either while making it sound like a kind of guarantee at the same time. Can't stop being annoyed and amazed by this at the same time each time I take a shower.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Sal Ammoniac on February 25, 2016, 11:07:56 pm
He then goes on with this elaborate conspiracy theory about John McAfee and Gibson and finally veers of into a "Gibson doesn't know any programming languages" diatribe.

You have to admit, though, that McAfee is a pretty strange guy. Have you heard about his troubles in Belize? It makes for interesting reading. I wouldn't dispel anything Navas says about Gibson just because of what he says about McAfee.

Gibson has toned down the SpinRite claims on his web site in recent years. It used to read like something out of science fiction a few years ago.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: timb on February 26, 2016, 12:12:05 am

He then goes on with this elaborate conspiracy theory about John McAfee and Gibson and finally veers of into a "Gibson doesn't know any programming languages" diatribe.

You have to admit, though, that McAfee is a pretty strange guy. Have you heard about his troubles in Belize? It makes for interesting reading. I wouldn't dispel anything Navas says about Gibson just because of what he says about McAfee.

Gibson has toned down the SpinRite claims on his web site in recent years. It used to read like something out of science fiction a few years ago.

Good point.

It's funny, when McAfee came out a week ago and said he could break that terrorist iPhone for the FBI in a matter of days, for free, I instantly thought of Navas. McAfee is an absolute attention whore and knows exactly what to say to get the media spotlight.

The whole Brazil thing was bizarre. I think it was VICE (maybe Wired?) that did a super in-depth story on it and it was really interesting. I think McAfee might have some psychopathy going on or something; he's clearly got issues with the truth.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on February 27, 2016, 10:17:10 am
Just came across this little gem (no not crystal healing): "Original Earthing (http://www.bioenergyproducts.co.uk/)"

So the idea is that you earth (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00AI4I398/ref=s9_hps_bw_g364_i2) yourself  (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00PUU2YB8/ref=s9_hps_bw_g121_i3)and get benefits (http://www.bioenergyproducts.co.uk/earthing-technical-information).

The hypothesis, so much as I could be bothered figuring it out - is that we have lost the link to the outdoors by being indoors all the time... so by grounding yourself using their £20 earthing rod (1ft rod with a faux-banana jack) and their £40 grounding mat (um... you know, carbon-black impregnated rubber?) and literally grounding yourself outside (You can plug yourself into mains earth but it's not as effective because theres a house above the earth rod)... you connect yourself to the outside world!!!

I should buy 5-for-£1 ESD wriststraps from ebay and sell them as original earthing at £10 each like these guys are doing... I can probably work in these wireless wrist-straps in as well for people on the go...

I also just noticed that the tenma 72-7765 meter they use to demonstrate the energy (voltage, DUH!) flowing out of you is £15 - and they sell it and about £4 worth of cabling for £45... wow

--EDIT-- some priceless comments:
Quote
"ps. it is no use asking a regular electrician about it as they will think you are talking rubbish, look on Google instead"
(yeah, they think that because you're talking rubbish...)
Quote
If your feet get cold, why not put your hands on the mat? Socks will stop your skin making contact so use your hands instead!
(In fact, why not wear the grounding mat on your head!)
Quote
I ordered the mat, but didnt realise I wouldnt need the grounding rod as I live in the UK. Our houses are mostly earthed. BUT I was so impressed with the grounding mat that I have kept the rod just incase I go abroad.
(wait... so your house is earthed but you need a grounding rod as well? um okay...)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: timb on February 27, 2016, 10:39:05 am
I just... I don't even... (http://img.timb.us/emoticon/psyduck.gif)

What if you like, spend a lot of time in a basement? With a concrete floor. Then you'd be always grounded, right? Undergrounded, even!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on February 27, 2016, 10:57:23 am
Quote
What if you like, spend a lot of time in a basement? With a concrete floor. Then you'd be always grounded, right? Undergrounded, even!

HEY! NO LOGIC ALLOWED!

Wait... I spend 3/4 of my waking time in an ESD safe lab with conductive flooring... how come I'm not super healthy?

--EDIT--
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91oe6wK70uL._SL1500_.jpg)OH JEEZ that is NOT SAFE at all :O... hmm, I had better report that actually - though maybe I can help evolution along by telling them to rotate it 90 degrees counterclockwise and then plug themselves in...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: MrSlack on February 27, 2016, 01:45:23 pm
I also worked in a place with a conductive floor, foot straps, blue static jackets, wristed up properly at the benches. This was for about a year.

My health did actually improve.

Only because because management wasn't allowed in.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: AntiProtonBoy on March 01, 2016, 09:22:09 am
--EDIT-- some priceless comments:
Quote
"ps. it is no use asking a regular electrician about it as they will think you are talking rubbish, look on Google instead"
(yeah, they think that because you're talking rubbish...)
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If your feet get cold, why not put your hands on the mat? Socks will stop your skin making contact so use your hands instead!
(In fact, why not wear the grounding mat on your head!)
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I ordered the mat, but didnt realise I wouldnt need the grounding rod as I live in the UK. Our houses are mostly earthed. BUT I was so impressed with the grounding mat that I have kept the rod just incase I go abroad.
(wait... so your house is earthed but you need a grounding rod as well? um okay...)
The testimonials are hilarious. As for the grounding rod, I'm sure he has other uses for it... if you know what i mean.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Whales on March 06, 2016, 09:58:53 pm
Found this visit and tour of the 'Acoustic revive' factories:
http://www.stereotimes.com/comm112008AR.shtml (http://www.stereotimes.com/comm112008AR.shtml)
Beautiful milling and manufacturing photos starting from the second page.  Ignoring the crystal balls and claims it's interesting to peruse the pictures.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: jh15 on March 08, 2016, 11:02:34 pm
I wonder if they are trying to leverage their name  "AR" from the real (now defunct except for brand name) Acoustic Research company.

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: gildasd on March 09, 2016, 09:11:36 pm
Found this visit and tour of the 'Acoustic revive' factories:
http://www.stereotimes.com/comm112008AR.shtml (http://www.stereotimes.com/comm112008AR.shtml)
Beautiful milling and manufacturing photos starting from the second page.  Ignoring the crystal balls and claims it's interesting to peruse the pictures.
Check the wall thickness, a WW2 light tank has less armour!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: MrSlack on March 09, 2016, 10:12:33 pm
Indeed. I've got a Clansman ATU here which is having the air variable caps stolen out of it. It's better built than that and I paid £20 for it :)

(http://i.imgur.com/6tBHDsQ.jpg)

This one gets me:

"Acoustic Revive cables typically begin life using 6N Single-Core solid cabling. This cable then goes through a variety of processes that include a natural silk tubing that is said to decrease hardness which gives it an exceptionally smooth character."

It's about as credible as The Stig in Top Gear. Some say...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: ciccio on April 17, 2016, 12:32:32 pm
While reading an on-line "Esoteric Audiophile" magazine I stumbled on a very expensive speaker system made in Denmark.
I went to the manufacturer's site and discovered they build also amplifiers, and I had a revelation: every amplifier I designed and built in my 40 years of work are wrong:
See this http://www.gamutaudio.com/en-GB/Products/Electronics/Amplifiers/M250i-Mono-Power-Amplifier.aspx (http://www.gamutaudio.com/en-GB/Products/Electronics/Amplifiers/M250i-Mono-Power-Amplifier.aspx)
And the reason is clearly explained:
The transistor is a great invention for amplification in general. It´s effective on power, energy consumption and production cost. So far, so good. The flipside of it is however that transistors do not carry the same sound characteristics as even if they are built together on the same day. So a powerful amplifier made with 32 transistors is more likely to sound like a choir than a single and clear voice.
To achieve the purity and clarity that our clients demand, we have come up with a very simple and very effective solution. We only use one transistor, but a very large one indeed. Using a single massive transistor allows us to tune them to sonic perfection and lay out a much simpler signal path. The transistors we use are massively expensive, but we think it´s worth it, and you might agree when you hear our amplifiers perform.

I was believing that negative feedback an current sharing between was enough, but I was wrong...
In any case, the transistors I'm using have a internal structure with dual emitters. Must I decide they are two transitors,  and put all my designs in the trash?

Best regards
 




Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Augustus on April 17, 2016, 12:49:13 pm
But what if you want to play back a recording of a choir through this single transistor amp? Wouldn't this sound kind of one dimensional, missing out on many of the voices? Maybe the amps should be made with an array of switchable transistors, so you would be able to match them with the count of choir members?  :-//


Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: ciccio on April 17, 2016, 01:13:04 pm
But what if you want to play back a recording of a choir through this single transistor amp? Wouldn't this sound kind of one dimensional, missing out on many of the voices? Maybe the amps should be made with an array of switchable transistors, so you would be able to match them with the count of choir members?  :-//
A more profitable (for the manufacturer) solution can be a couple of amplifier and speaker for each of the choir's member.... :blah: :blah: :blah:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on April 18, 2016, 11:33:22 am
But what if you want to play back a recording of a choir through this single transistor amp? Wouldn't this sound kind of one dimensional, missing out on many of the voices? Maybe the amps should be made with an array of switchable transistors, so you would be able to match them with the count of choir members?  :-//
A more profitable (for the manufacturer) solution can be a couple of amplifier and speaker for each of the choir's member.... :blah: :blah: :blah:

It would probably be cheaper to employ the choir
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: starphot on April 19, 2016, 09:28:54 pm
But what if you want to play back a recording of a choir through this single transistor amp? Wouldn't this sound kind of one dimensional, missing out on many of the voices? Maybe the amps should be made with an array of switchable transistors, so you would be able to match them with the count of choir members?  :-//
A more profitable (for the manufacturer) solution can be a couple of amplifier and speaker for each of the choir's member.... :blah: :blah: :blah:

It would probably be cheaper to employ the choir
  Perhaps, you should start preaching to that "Choir".

Joe
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: starphot on April 19, 2016, 10:05:13 pm
  Nice Topic. I am a senior and I get the telemarketing calls on my no-call line and on my cellphone. They target us especially. They know there is a senior or seniors working at these addresses using a demographic and census programs that they can glean money from us for worthless or even illegal services and products. I've been bombarded on those ads on my browser for getting more from Social Security. I clicked and patiently listened to this guy's *BLEEEEP* and after 3 minutes, I bailed. Turns out that he wants you to pay a fee for info that is supplied by the SSA for free. If I'm looking for googled info, If the info I'm looking for is not available after reading or listening to the audio or video for the first 30 seconds, I will look elsewhere. Get to the punchline! I will not listen to your crap for 15 minutes and I get the impertinent info in the end with no forward button available, I will bail! 
  I like Dave's EEVblog and others tear-downs of these cheap and often dangerous products I wouldn't buy anyway. This led me to this blog. Thanks, Dave!

Joe
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on April 20, 2016, 12:53:06 pm
Sorry! Just found some hilariousness!

The The Radionics machine (http://www.museumoftechnology.org.uk/expand.php?key=127) - the first comment is HILARIOUS!

I'll quote it below in case it vanishes at some point ;)

But before that: I introduce to you the Paul Sutlovich drinking game! Every time you spot something that he doesn't have a clue about; take a shot!

The survivors will mourn those lost.

Quote
I would like to see the actual circuitry of this device in a photo on this website. I do NOT believe this has just BARE components mounted in a box; circuits DO exist for radionics machines. They just do not need a power supply (similar to a crystal radio). If that is what you mean by finding "no circuit inside." Do I detect a little sci-medical prejudice?

They work using "subtle energy," the same found in faith healers, Buddhist monks, Indian gurus, religious contemplatives, remote viewers, hypnotists, shamans, witch doctors, etc. All PROVEN to be active in the same part of their brain via MRI scanning technology.
These share a similar base, are not fakery, but require the patient, operator (and machine - if used) to be in "synch" to propagate subtle energy waves. All things have a natural frequency and an energy field which emanates outwardly - that is open to reception.
(How do living creatures, existing separately, suddenly "decide" to congregate and migrate in a large herd, swarm, school, flock?)
Like Nicola Tesla found with Radiant Energy, this energy does not follow the inverse square laws of outer shell Electrons, as in our atomic industry, but are part of the subatomic structure of the atom, energy waves which do NOT diminish over distance.
 
The weakest signal can be transmitted by the brain and received by the brains of others, including animals. This amounts to remote healing, clairvoyance, remote viewing, or other forms of "instant knowledge" imparted "telepathically" for want of a common description, given universal knowledge from the Creator is open to downloading, in various ways, to heal, to inform, to bless, etc.

Not to be dismissed as medical quackery - which is outright, criminal, purposeful fraud. Chemotherapy and radiation might fit the description better than faith healing and radionics, sad to say.

This is Natural Healing, probably known since cave man and the druids in your nation.
The comments show ignorance of this scientifically valid form of healing and communication, though hidden, unpopular and despised by the money-medicine industry. Do some research before dismissing what is not obvious at first view. (Are the pyramids just piles of rock?) It is suppressed by all systems of money, so will not be found in the common media and science.

Ever had a family member across the globe, in dire trouble, and felt a sudden, unspoken, deep concern and empathy for them? (But not given to the whole family.) That was subtle energy transmitted from them to you - if you are a clean-living, open individual. One reason why the newly married and religious get these more often than laymen.

Long story.

   Eds, Comment The box is most definitely empty?.
.......... paul sutlovich, Boulder/USA, 25th of March 2015

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: MrSlack on April 20, 2016, 01:17:28 pm
That's some proper crack induced garbage! Hilarious!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on April 20, 2016, 01:23:36 pm
I'm just worried I might meet somebody at the same frequency as me and we'll collapse into an interference pattern...

Even worse, this one time I ended up at a resonant frequency with my boss and before we knew it we were both emitting photons every quarter wavelength. Talk about embarrassing!

You know, it would be pretty awesome if we could get one of these Radionic machines (specifically the ones with no circuitry inside) to Dave for mailbag monday and a five minute teardown ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bud on April 21, 2016, 01:39:00 am
You are late to the party    :box:   sort of

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-snake-oil-thread/msg497260/#msg497260 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-snake-oil-thread/msg497260/#msg497260)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on April 21, 2016, 05:30:09 am
Dang! I knew I should have double checked ;)

Still, that was one hellova quote from the Paul Sutlovich section ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: lincoln on June 03, 2016, 04:43:44 pm
http://shieldheadwear.com/howitworks/ (http://shieldheadwear.com/howitworks/)

well at least it "works"
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Howardlong on June 04, 2016, 12:17:17 pm
http://shieldheadwear.com/howitworks/ (http://shieldheadwear.com/howitworks/)

well at least it "works"

Did you notice the conductive sheet under the router to connect with the TFH* and provide a Faraday cage around the router? I assume they also provide a fetching head-to-toe combo to go with their TFHs.

*TFH=Tin Foil Hat
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on June 04, 2016, 12:58:22 pm
Quote
And the truth is that there is no official evidence that signals cause something.

Well at least they got that part right ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Connoiseur on July 15, 2016, 12:59:55 pm
What is the SI unit of BULLSHIT?   |O

If it has not been standardized, I feel that it's high time we should define and assign a unit for this quantity. ;D

I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely, in your thoughts, advanced to the stage of science, whatever the matter may be.
Lecture on "Electrical Units of Measurement" (3 May 1883), By Lord Kelvin

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Miyuki on July 15, 2016, 02:11:37 pm
And what about Snake oil for hair growth  ::)  And it not so pricey
(http://www.dzauhar-abdallah.cz/fotky12342/fotos/_vyr_7342PC281838.jpg)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bud on July 15, 2016, 02:26:33 pm
I guess after finishing a bottle you will have as much hair as the snake in the picture.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr.B on July 16, 2016, 09:27:56 am
What is the SI unit of BULLSHIT?   |O

Generally accepted as Tonnes.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kilrah on July 16, 2016, 09:35:14 am
I've most often seen it measured in Loads.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr.B on July 16, 2016, 09:45:55 am
I've most often seen it measured in Loads.

But there is a mathematical relationship there I am sure...
How many Tonnes in a Load?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bitwelder on July 16, 2016, 09:58:48 am
How many Tonnes in a Load?
Are those Metric Bullshits or Imperial Bullshits?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr.B on July 16, 2016, 10:20:42 am
How many Tonnes in a Load?
Are those Metric Bullshits or Imperial Bullshits?

SI units were originally queried, so I figure the intention was Metric...

So, a "Metric Shit Load" should have been originally specified.
The question remains, what is the definition of a Metric Shit Load...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: SeanB on July 16, 2016, 10:46:52 am
Normally a load is 6 cubes, so depending on density it could vary. However, as it mostly will either float or bob just under the surface we can consider the density to be roughly the same as water, which is 1 ton per cube.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on July 16, 2016, 04:45:47 pm
I've most often seen it measured in Loads.

But there is a mathematical relationship there I am sure...
How many Tonnes in a Load?
A load used to be a cubic yard. It really was a measure and could be enforced by the local trading standards and weights and measures.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: SeanB on July 16, 2016, 05:34:02 pm
Street pole outside my window is secured using a 6 cubic meter cast in situ reinforced concrete block, poured in 2009 for the 2010 World Cup as part of an infrastructure upgrade. Going to be fun when Metro has to replace the water mains feeding me though, as they did cast the main 2 inch steel pipe into the concrete block, along with a good number of underground phone and power cables. At least those portions are not going to corrode further.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Don Hills on July 17, 2016, 09:12:30 am
...
The question remains, what is the definition of a Metric Shit Load...

A crap tonne?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr.B on July 17, 2016, 07:20:16 pm
A crap tonne?

I will have to do more research, but I think there is 10 crap tonnes in a metric shit load.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Buriedcode on July 19, 2016, 12:01:49 pm
Again, I'm so glad this thread exists - a pocket of sanity for those who share an almost guilty pleasure for searching for 'silly things' or products made by companies who sacked all engineers and replaced them with marketing folk on crack.

Alas, the reason these products exist, special audio cables with 'sonic' qualities, crystal healing, brain stimulation (the sort that just passes current through the brain but make very specific claims) etc.. is because they sell.  Whilst I'm sure some amateurs truly believe the crap that comes out of their mouths, larger companies with > 10 employee's know full well they're selling something that cannot work but of course - if there's a market, there's business.  Belief's the public/consumers have can easily be used to get them to part with their cash, and whilst I instinctively feel sickened by people making money selling such crap, another part of me thinks 'if its what people want... then let them have it'.

Perhaps I just see more of this stuff now the internet is more accessible, and there are more forums and blogs than ever - so more of the wacko's come out of the wood work - but I swear it has got significantly worse over the past decade, perhaps it is shrewd business people wanting in on the action.  To the point where, rather than there being a nice line between 'official science/engineering' and 'bollocks', its seeping into every day life.  What with 'wellness' guru's promoting paleo diets and the endless 'versions' of diets - because they don't actually like the original diet so add/remove things then claim its their own, and better - sprinkled with links to what look like well conducted studies, that are actually incredibly vague and poorly controlled - rather than the mainstream being somewhat protecting from 'bullshit', its actually driven by it. 
Generally i think one should embrace new technology - pragmatically - whilst simultaneously being suspicious of it.  Because the latter is seen has 'holding things back', cynics are seen as being completely negative, but they really are required to prevent the world being taken over by marketing bollocks.

Supplements is another, as are herbal remedies.  These are more dangerous because they cannot be immediately dismissed as being 'false science', but because they are considered to be 'food', they do not have to go under any form of rigorous testing as to efficacy.  So once something has been on the market for two years, its apparent longevity lends credence to its efficacy - when really it just highlights that is does nothing at all and people take it out of habit/belief.  And if they are found out to cause harm, or have just been in the 'pseudoscience' camp for long, any real positive effects will never be tested because it is tainted.  I was going to quote Tim Minchin then, but I think I've done that before.  Instead I'll drop a link to 'Storm'.

For electrical goods, take Dyson for example, they don't make anything remotely 'pseudoscience' but they do push their marketing to the point where some ad's look like a parody. 'microprocessor controlled for perfectly dry hair', 'V-6 digital motor' - whilst that isn't making any false claims, it is of course trying to dazzle the consumer who wouldn't know one motor from another.  I remember hearing that Dyson make claims of his vacuum cleaners having 'Zero carbon emissions', a shout out to those who want to be seen to be doing good things for the planet, but can't be arsed to change their lifestyle at all - even though Dyson was referring to using brushless motors that don't have carbon brushes so don't create 'carbon dust' - as opposed to carbon dioxide.

I think perhaps I'm getting a bit obsessed with this sort of thing, I find now my immediate reaction to media coverage of tech/sci is 'thats bollocks' until I read more into it - which of course, I don't do for everything, so perhaps I've gone too far the other way.  It is why I do enjoy electronics - there isn't' much in the way ambiguity and one can use a fairly decent background in the subject to make an informed decision about idea's/tech.  On the flipside, biology, health, diets etc..  whilst we know a hell of a lot, there is still far too much room to allow claims to be made that cannot be proved, nor disproved, especially as its a very personal thing which is why many stand by their health choices with conviction, because pointing out their flaws is an attack on them.

I think I'm starting to rant now.  More bollocks posts please, its more entertaining and less rage-worthy than say - the DailyMails technology section (which btw I read before doing a workout, as the frustration and anger gives me energy).

He may have dodgy hair, but, this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_htqDCP-s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_htqDCP-s)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on July 23, 2016, 03:27:27 pm
The Dyson digital motor adverts really annoy me as there cam be no such thing as a digital electric motor, an electric motor is inherently analogue by its very nature. It might be digitally controlled but as soon as the electricity leaves the control and hits the motor it is analogue from there on, square wave sine wave or any other wave. BS marketing at its worst.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: digsys on July 24, 2016, 12:34:52 am
Quote from: Buriedcode
It is why I do enjoy electronics - there isn't' much in the way ambiguity and one can used a fairly decent background in the subject to make an informed decision about idea's/tech.
yup ..... except for all those over-unity / free energy / power savers+ we constantly get bombarded with. After all .. em / mag fields are voodoo too :-)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Buriedcode on July 27, 2016, 04:34:30 pm
Quote from: Buriedcode
It is why I do enjoy electronics - there isn't' much in the way ambiguity and one can used a fairly decent background in the subject to make an informed decision about idea's/tech.
yup ..... except for all those over-unity / free energy / power savers+ we constantly get bombarded with. After all .. em / mag fields are voodoo too :-)

I would still consider those more 'electrical engineering'.  Whilst of course there's huge cross over between that an electronics, it could be that, as electronics is a natural extension of electrical engineering, and there are many more forums and hobbyist sites for it - the 'OU crowd' feel the need to post to engineers.. only to be shot down pretty damn quickly by those who are 'closed minded' (ergo: educated).
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: SNGLinks on July 30, 2016, 11:53:38 am
The Dyson digital motor adverts really annoy me as there cam be no such thing as a digital electric motor, an electric motor is inherently analogue by its very nature. It might be digitally controlled but as soon as the electricity leaves the control and hits the motor it is analogue from there on, square wave sine wave or any other wave. BS marketing at its worst.

In one of their adverts they also claim their motors were carbon free. Yes they have no brushes but seem to imply low carbon emissions.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Neilm on July 30, 2016, 06:14:15 pm
The Dyson digital motor adverts really annoy me as there cam be no such thing as a digital electric motor, an electric motor is inherently analogue by its very nature. It might be digitally controlled but as soon as the electricity leaves the control and hits the motor it is analogue from there on, square wave sine wave or any other wave. BS marketing at its worst.
I just assume it is either on or off
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Whales on July 31, 2016, 12:33:09 am
As I understand, 'digital motor' is marketing for 'brushless motor'.  My washing machine has one.  My clothes come out with JPEG artefacts.

On a related note: I really don't like the words 'DC motor'.  Many people define what that means differently ("a brushless motor is DC!  Just plug it in!") depending on their context.  I think some uni courses teach people to put motors arbitrarily in 'DC' and 'AC' categories, but don't explain why they are doing it.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: SNGLinks on August 03, 2016, 10:19:37 am
http://www.structuredwatertechnologies.com/ (http://www.structuredwatertechnologies.com/)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: DenzilPenberthy on August 03, 2016, 10:42:04 am
The Dyson digital motor adverts really annoy me as there cam be no such thing as a digital electric motor, an electric motor is inherently analogue by its very nature. It might be digitally controlled but as soon as the electricity leaves the control and hits the motor it is analogue from there on, square wave sine wave or any other wave. BS marketing at its worst.

A stepper motor would be a pretty good candidate for being called 'digital'
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on August 08, 2016, 03:35:32 pm
A  stepper motor is a multi phase synchronous motor.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on August 17, 2016, 11:48:02 am
http://www.structuredwatertechnologies.com/ (http://www.structuredwatertechnologies.com/)

That's amazing... 250 dollars for an opaque version of a kid's bath toy...

Reckon we could combine this with homeopathy and make it even more potent? Or will the "naturalisation" of the water get rid of the homeopathic "vibrations" (which use such an awesome vibration mode that no form of spectroscopy can detect it - OR - that trying to measure it causes it to stop vibrating - convenient that ;))
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: setq on August 17, 2016, 12:00:31 pm
http://www.structuredwatertechnologies.com/ (http://www.structuredwatertechnologies.com/)

That's amazing... 250 dollars for an opaque version of a kid's bath toy...

Reckon we could combine this with homeopathy and make it even more potent? Or will the "naturalisation" of the water get rid of the homeopathic "vibrations" (which use such an awesome vibration mode that no form of spectroscopy can detect it - OR - that trying to measure it causes it to stop vibrating - convenient that ;))

You can tell that product is shit as they couldn't hire a web design company who would want to put their site in their portfolio :)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on August 17, 2016, 12:09:54 pm
You can tell that product is shit as they couldn't hire a web design company who would want to put their site in their portfolio :)

It reminds me of early websites from the late 90's/early 2000's xD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: rollatorwieltje on August 17, 2016, 12:51:07 pm
http://www.en.broncorrector.com/ (http://www.en.broncorrector.com/)

This device is disturbingly common on farms over here. It corrects earth radiation by being a free energy conductor :-+ It also blocks different kinds of radiation within a certain radius of the device.

The device looks like a capped sewer pipe. At least a somewhat appropriate location for bullshit.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: setq on August 17, 2016, 01:02:20 pm
Oh that's terrible. Does it undo the gallons of antibiotics they pump their herds with? :)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: JPortici on August 19, 2016, 09:00:54 pm
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/811202392f67c88077758e0bd668fb06.jpg)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on August 20, 2016, 05:36:10 pm
Take my money: $9999999999 !!!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blueskull on August 21, 2016, 01:25:45 am
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/811202392f67c88077758e0bd668fb06.jpg)

Makes sense. Some computers indeed spit tons of crap out of its USB 5V rail, and for USB sound cards without power purifying circuitry inside (usually high PSRR LDOs or even sometimes isolated converters followed by LDOs), this makes a lot of improvement.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: g.lewarne on August 24, 2016, 10:52:51 am
Not sure if this has been posted before - but this is one of those scams created by disgusting people who mislead about serious illness.

http://www.pyroenergen.com/ (http://www.pyroenergen.com/)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on August 24, 2016, 11:17:46 am
I would love to see inside one of these machines to see if they really "work by enveloping the patient's body with a special electric field made of negatively-charged static electricity [as opposed to that positively-charged static electricity]"

Or, you know, if they're just a beeper and some LEDs tied to an NE555 timer...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kjelt on August 24, 2016, 12:48:37 pm
Expensive placebo  ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on August 24, 2016, 01:44:17 pm
I would love to see inside one of these machines to see if they really "work by enveloping the patient's body with a special electric field made of negatively-charged static electricity [as opposed to that positively-charged static electricity]"

Or, you know, if they're just a beeper and some LEDs tied to an NE555 timer...

I'm willing to bet a small amount of money it's nothing more than an ioniser, a bog standard Cockcroft Walton multiplier Ioniser.

They may be partially correct, I believe an ioniser can kill some fungi and viruses but it may be to do with a small amount of ozone being emitted from an overvoltage or badly isolated output.

 Advertsing it as a cancer cure I think is illegal though.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on August 24, 2016, 02:11:00 pm
Oh, it’s ok, it very specifically says it does not kill bacteria or fungi, it works by (I’m paraphrasing as I refuse to give them another click count!) “entrapping viruses or cancer cells* in an electromagnetic field causing them to starve over time”

*Now I am a biochemist specialising in immunology – how the hell does an electromagnetic field know how to differentiate a cancer cell from a normal cell WHEN NOBODY ELSE CAN TELL THE DIFFERENT WITHOUT RUNNING GENETIC ANALYSIS!?! Not even your OWN BODY can tell the difference! (if it can tell the difference, it kills the cancer cell before it becomes actual cancer – and this happens about 10’000 times per day – bodies are awesome)

URGHARHARHA I hate false health claims based on ignorance - nothing worse!

Reminds me of those "detoxifiers" (they came up earlier in this thread - BigClive reviewed a few of them xD) - I wonder if the people who buy these know they already have built-in "detoxifiers" - and not just that - but FILTERS TOO! Oh, but I guess you can't sell livers and kidneys cheaply from china and make a killing from ignorance...


--EDIT--
I just realised I kinda wen't off the rails there - I'm going to avoid looking at spurious claims for a while and calm myself down again ;)

Instead, I'll leave you with some audiophool grade.... socket covers (http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina44.htm)... |O


Made from Porcelain!


"I tried the Duplex Covers with good results for wall outlets located on the side walls, but "night and day" results were obtained when a Tru Tone Duplex Cover was placed on the unused outlet located on the wall behind and between the speakers."
So you put them on unused sockets? Crikey, don't go near my lab with these - I have like twenty sockets in there! At elast they're only $30 each ;)

"I can't believe these things actually improved the overall sound as much as they did. Is it resonance control that's lowering the noise floor? I hear greater detail in quiet passages and better front to back image definition. Very impressive!"
I can't believe it either!
(http://www.machinadynamica.com/Tru_Tone_Cover.jpg)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on August 24, 2016, 03:02:11 pm
Those guys won't believe how much better their setup sounds when they replace that filthy Romex in the walls with cap and tube wiring!
Finest quality cloth woven cables and porcelain insulators, nothing but the very best.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: klunkerbus on August 24, 2016, 03:07:26 pm
Maybe they like the volume cranked up so high the normal metal or thin plastic outlet covers vibrate... lol
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: setq on August 30, 2016, 09:01:18 am
Maybe they're batshit :)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: jonwil on September 02, 2016, 08:03:04 am
Been seeing a lot of ads lately for something called a lif3 that is supposed to protect you (and your family) from the harmful radiation of a smartphone just by sticking it to the case.
Is there any truth to this or do we need to go hit that bullshit button?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on September 02, 2016, 09:14:09 am
Been seeing a lot of ads lately for something called a lif3 that is supposed to protect you (and your family) from the harmful radiation of a smartphone just by sticking it to the case.
Is there any truth to this or do we need to go hit that bullshit button?

We need a great big bullshit button.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on September 02, 2016, 03:54:00 pm
Been seeing a lot of ads lately for something called a lif3 that is supposed to protect you (and your family) from the harmful radiation of a smartphone just by sticking it to the case.
Is there any truth to this or do we need to go hit that bullshit button?

We need a great big bullshit button.

We need to show the sellers what real radiation is. >:D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: rollatorwieltje on September 02, 2016, 04:24:26 pm
Been seeing a lot of ads lately for something called a lif3 that is supposed to protect you (and your family) from the harmful radiation of a smartphone just by sticking it to the case.
Is there any truth to this or do we need to go hit that bullshit button?
The concept is really old. I remember them being sold when the Nokia 3310 came out. Later they were also sold with LEDs in them and marketed as silent ring indicator, like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/2RNtXpT.gif)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on September 05, 2016, 12:12:29 am
I've always wanted to get a pot of glowing mushrooms because I find them beautiful.

If I was to be incredibly devious I would start a farm of them and harvest the glowing mycellium. I would then package it in moist containers and market it to audiophools and free energy nuts as a "purifying ointment" for circuit boards. I mean it glows right? See where this is going? >:D

Thus ending at least some of the stupidity with shorts and massive corrosion! >:D

Oh don't worry, there would be a disclamer somewhere no idiot would look or read that says "you are an idiot for buying this" :-P
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: setq on September 05, 2016, 10:29:19 am
You could get them to eat them :)

I had an idea of selling a noise free mains cable the other day. You just give them a moulded plug and an IEC plug and no wire. No cable, no  noise! I could charge them at least $500 to remove that noisy cable.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on September 05, 2016, 02:37:34 pm
Been seeing a lot of ads lately for something called a lif3 that is supposed to protect you (and your family) from the harmful radiation of a smartphone just by sticking it to the case.
Is there any truth to this or do we need to go hit that bullshit button?
The concept is really old. I remember them being sold when the Nokia 3310 came out. Later they were also sold with LEDs in them and marketed as silent ring indicator, like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/2RNtXpT.gif)

Which, oddly enough, I seem to remember made the problem worse, something to do with rectification of the radiated signal creating harmonics
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: DefekC on September 23, 2016, 10:26:18 am
This made my day..  ^-^

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2gy6idc.jpg)

But in all seriousness, this is an actual measurement done on disconnected circuit! Yea, I was holding the probe with bare hands on conductive parts...  ::)

Question here is, how the hell Agilent could even bring up this kind of result?!?
What is suggests is that I just broke physics and I deserve some kind of ultimate prize!  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on September 23, 2016, 11:23:02 am
Negative resistance is not that unusual, many semiconductors exhibit it (within a subrange of the I/V graph). Not the human body though.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on September 23, 2016, 11:24:06 am
I've only ever encountered that when the circuit being measured isn't fully passive - i.e a current on the circuit being measured.

Does it change if you flip the leads round? :P
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: DefekC on September 23, 2016, 11:19:38 pm
Circuit was disconnected from everything for more than 5 minutes.
Flipping around wires changed nothing. As I joked, giving everything to other person changed result to something I was expecting.
Component involved (measured) was some sort of digital temperature sensor that was "fried" (?). We were measuring if there was a short between Vcc/Data/GND. Don't remember at what occasion this result was achieved....
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on September 24, 2016, 08:03:17 am
Hah! Funky xD

It was a constant value, aye? I'd be willing to call that "pretty weird"
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: DefekC on September 24, 2016, 09:20:06 pm
Yea, value was consistent +/- 1..2%!  ;D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: setq on October 07, 2016, 04:27:13 pm
Ugh I just clicked this turd by accident: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@dailybitcoinnews/tesla-dr-walter-russell-the-optic-dynamo-generator-and-how-it-could-revolutionize-cryptocurrency-mining-soon
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on October 11, 2016, 05:38:57 pm
Ugh I just clicked this turd by accident: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@dailybitcoinnews/tesla-dr-walter-russell-the-optic-dynamo-generator-and-how-it-could-revolutionize-cryptocurrency-mining-soon

 :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: My eyes are burning! Free energy :bullshit: is one thing...but this... :scared:

These people (even in their comments) believe that bitcoins are actually some form of energy that has to be created and transmitted with special machines!!! They claim it requires "too much energy" for the average person for these machines to make bitcoins! They don't even understand computers or the internet! :palm: :-DD

EDIT: At least if these people idiots actually start playing with big tesla coils...we won't have to worry about them much longer. >:D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 12, 2016, 08:49:11 am
Ugh I just clicked this turd by accident: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@dailybitcoinnews/tesla-dr-walter-russell-the-optic-dynamo-generator-and-how-it-could-revolutionize-cryptocurrency-mining-soon

That was physically painful to read O_o

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Your car could drive on forever. Even my great grandfather invented an engine back in the early 1900's that had such tech. but he could never figure out how to turn it off so it's been around for quite some time.
.

I'm rather fond of the economic argument (https://xkcd.com/808/) for debunking these sorts of things - put simply - if phenomenon-x actually worked, why isn't there a company out there making a killing from it ;)

Take the above example - an engine that never stops? Hook it up to a dynamo and sell the electricity; you're honestly telling me that it's "easy to do" and no energy supplier ever thought of doing it? Really?

In fact, I'm going to call you out on your own B.S. (Bovine Stercus), you're telling me your grandfather made an engine that he couldn't turn off, and he never once thought to himself: "hmm, I could sell this!"?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: setq on October 12, 2016, 08:58:22 am
That's when the energy conspiracy is used as a defence. I know some people who worked "for the energy conspiracy companies" as this lot would say and they'd 100% be the first people selling it if it worked. In fact it would change society overnight. The glory of this I suspect is the motivator.

What REALLY annoys me about these grand idiots is that we live in a rather unique bit of the universe in a time where much energy has been invested in us over billions of years by generations of death and destruction (coal, oil) and violent galactic events (atoms heavier than helium, nuclear elements, solar energy). We're only here because of these events. The only thing we do is skim the top off the easy to convert energy and convert it into something useless after it is used. And these buggers are just converting into harder to use energy by breathing :)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 12, 2016, 09:13:47 am
It truly is amazing: as James Randi once said - "Ignorance is both hereditary and contagious".


TL;DR - don't worry, this is just a rambling - feel free to skip by it to the free energy stuff at the end!

Interesting enough, one might argue that this part of the universe might not actually be that unique - and that gives me some hope for us - though this is purely speculation. Let us assume that space is big (see "Douglas Adams") - and that there are multiple civilisations out there, even if they are spread too thinly throughout the universe to ever contact each other before their tiny pockets of existence fade...

Even if there are other civilisations - there will always be ignorance, just as there is intelligence... Hopefully the intelligence and the forward-thinking of society overall will outperform ignorance in the majority of situations - even if its only an intellectual minority that's pushing society forward.



NOW for the fun, free-energy nonsense: I seem to recall that free-energy nuts seem to think that electricity can "remember" how it was generated - and that electricity from "free energy" sources are cleaner - not because of carbon neutrality in its generation - but because when it is used, it improves the efficiency of the device using it (some even claim the device using it wastes no energy as heat whatsoever).

I'm still trying to rediscover the source for the above nonsense - it's a painful search, will post it once I find it!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: setq on October 12, 2016, 09:25:17 am
Please do - these are always a laugh :)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 12, 2016, 09:33:38 am
Couldn't find the original reference, but I found a reference to the reference (http://www.naturalnews.com/045942_free_energy_laws_of_thermodynamics_physical_reality.html) (actually a debunking stemming from him suggesting that if free energy actually existed, when you applied it the earth would have problems dumping all the heat it will generate)

Also found a list of instructables* (http://www.greenoptimistic.com/make-energy-10-brilliant-diy-ideas-20150116/#.V_4C1vkrK00) on making free energy devices

*= not the actual website "instructables" though I'm sure it has it's fair share of free energy devices too xD
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EDIT:
   Whoops, apparently it just linked through to the actual instructables website - oh well ;) So yes, it does have its fair share of nutjobs too!

----
ADDENDUM:
   For a laugh, check out the "Searl Effect Generator (http://www.searlsolution.com/technology3.html)" - now to quote Hackaday,
Quote
Supposedly, his “Searl Effect Generator” SEG has been built several times, but the prototypes generate so much power they create their own anti-gravity field and fly off into space.

Obviously this man and his staff need your money to continue their work.

Ps - I need to take a break from looking for that article - it's destroying me :(
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on October 12, 2016, 09:42:03 pm
I only see two dodgy ones in that instructables list, the fuel cell one and the quantum battery.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blueskull on October 12, 2016, 11:48:41 pm
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Russell's work involved the assembly of a device to produce energy from the background flux of fields designated by some researchers' Zero Point Energy.

I think this guy came from Black Mesa Research Facility or Aperture Science and started his free energy company by selling shower curtains.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: timb on October 13, 2016, 08:46:09 am
Ugh I just clicked this turd by accident: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@dailybitcoinnews/tesla-dr-walter-russell-the-optic-dynamo-generator-and-how-it-could-revolutionize-cryptocurrency-mining-soon

 :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: My eyes are burning! Free energy :bullshit: is one thing...but this... :scared:

These people (even in their comments) believe that bitcoins are actually some form of energy that has to be created and transmitted with special machines!!! They claim it requires "too much energy" for the average person for these machines to make bitcoins! They don't even understand computers or the internet! :palm: :-DD

EDIT: At least if these people idiots actually start playing with big tesla coils...we won't have to worry about them much longer. >:D

No, that's not quite what they're saying... Buttcoins are "mined" by number crunching (essentially useless) hashes. It takes quite a lot of processing time to mine a single coin. So, there's tons of people out there basically wasting a whole lot of real electrical energy running all these CPUs/GPUs/ASICs, just to generate imaginary money that's not actually accepted anywhere (besides Spergs'R'Us).

When the Buttcoin fad first started a few years back, a guy filled his bedroom with motherboards/power supplies in order to mine coins. He almost died of heat stroke when his room got up to over 110F one night.

The whole *coin world was a great source of amusement for me (and other members of a very Awful forum I frequent) when it was just starting out. (Back when the primary place people exchanged coins to real dollars was called Mt. GoX, better known as Magic the Gathering Online Exchange. Yes, people would send a (failed) site originally designed for trading Magic cards tens of thousands of dollars!)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on October 13, 2016, 09:06:03 am
Like the California Gold Rush, the enthusiasts who get involved do not, on the whole, make it rich, and there would be no reason to think they would. In any financial system, money moves towards intelligence, not enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 13, 2016, 09:19:56 am
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In any financial system, money moves towards intelligence, not enthusiasm.

How does that apply in Trump's case? (this is definitely not something we should get off-topic over ;)) - Trump also isn't a financial system (thankfully) :P

I actually need to read up more on bitcoin - I know very little about it - wonder if there are any good kindle books on the matter


ANYWAY - back on topic: The Finchley Clinic (http://www.thefinchleyclinic.co.uk/nojavascript/therapies/index.htm) - a dedicated Naturopath, who, to his credit, admits that "evidence of his treatments working is anecdotal - but my patients believe [treatment] helps them"

That's fairly rare to see an honest conman... or a sky-blue website
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blueskull on October 15, 2016, 03:14:36 am
This went into my promotion folder today. Shame on Google that failed to put it in my spam folder. Amazon is getting stupid. I think Amazon used to have some kind of censorship on its Prime goods, but now it simply sells anything that the mfg wants to pay Prime premium.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-snake-oil-thread/?action=dlattach;attach=262616;image)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: timb on October 15, 2016, 09:13:18 am
This went into my promotion folder today. Shame on Google that failed to put it in my spam folder. Amazon is getting stupid. I think Amazon used to have some kind of censorship on its Prime goods, but now it simply sells anything that the mfg wants to pay Prime premium.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-snake-oil-thread/?action=dlattach;attach=262616;image)

Why would they "censor" available Prime items? As far as I know, they never have. Basically, if it's shipped or sold by Amazon, it's eligible for Prime. That's what makes Prime so useful.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blueskull on October 15, 2016, 09:14:38 am
Why would they "censor" available Prime items? As far as I know, they never have. Basically, if it's shipped or sold by Amazon, it's eligible for Prime. That's what makes Prime so useful.

They do not even think before carrying items in their own warehouse?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: timb on October 15, 2016, 09:24:43 am
Why would they "censor" available Prime items? As far as I know, they never have. Basically, if it's shipped or sold by Amazon, it's eligible for Prime. That's what makes Prime so useful.

They do not even think before carrying items in their own warehouse?

Why would they? They're making money on it.

It would be like if I owned a warehouse/shipping company. You ship me a box of widgets, which I would warehouse and ship for you as orders came in. You're still the seller; I just handle fulfillment.

So long as what you're selling isn't illegal, I'm not going to turn your business away (since I make a small percentage off each item you sell).

That's exactly what's happening here. Smart-Choice is the seller, paying Amazon to warehouse and ship their products for them.

Furthermore, why do you think Amazon has any idea what that item even is? Do you think they do in-depth research on each of the millions of items they warehouse for other businesses? They don't. Neither does any other warehouse or fulfillment center.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Richard Crowley on October 15, 2016, 02:48:16 pm
They do not even think before carrying items in their own warehouse?
They are not in the business of of "vetting" products.  Who do you propose they hire to evaluate electronic gadgets before deciding to sell them?  Perhaps you can contact them and make a job for yourself. 

Imagine the hue and cry if they set up a book review process where they sold only the books THEY thought were "good"?

Yes, WE know those "whole house neutralizer" things are silly, but so are all the other snake-oil products. We mention mostly the electronics-related examples in this discussion, but you could have the same argument about snake-oil products in dozens of other categories.

This is not a new phenomenon.  You can find countless examples from thousands of years ago in your own culture of origin (and all of ours' for that matter).
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Connoiseur on October 15, 2016, 04:25:17 pm
This went into my promotion folder today. Shame on Google that failed to put it in my spam folder. Amazon is getting stupid. I think Amazon used to have some kind of censorship on its Prime goods, but now it simply sells anything that the mfg wants to pay Prime premium.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-snake-oil-thread/?action=dlattach;attach=262616;image)


I don't understand why some people are so much bothered about EM fields and stuff. I don't know any household source that can expose you to such levels of radiation that would be deemed harmful (be it anything from UV to long wave radio). :-//

This is an extreme example (http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/cellphones-suck-energy-just-put-some-cow-dung-rss-ideologue-2958597/) of one such insanity. (Real  :bullshit: detected)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: fubar.gr on October 15, 2016, 09:18:19 pm
I don't understand why some people are so much bothered about EM fields and stuff. I don't know any household source that can expose you to such levels of radiation that would be deemed harmful (be it anything from UV to long wave radio). :-//

This is an extreme example (http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/cellphones-suck-energy-just-put-some-cow-dung-rss-ideologue-2958597/) of one such insanity. (Real  :bullshit: detected)

Many reasons for that

1) EM radiation is invisible and people are afraid of things they cannot see. Same thing with germs for example

2) EM radiation is one of the toughest subjects in physics and electronics. Even EEs have trouble understanding all the concepts and intricancies about EM. To your average Joe it sounds like voodoo magic.

3) Ionising radiation and the damage it can do (eg Chernobil) is well known to the general public and conflated with non-ionising radiation. See number 2. It's tough stuff and you need the proper education to understand the differences.

4) There's the stupid notion that dosage doesn't matter and even the tiniest exposure can do damage. This of course isn't true even for ionising radiation

5) Some people through malice or stupidity propagate false information. Some benefit from this by selling all those bogus devices.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 17, 2016, 01:41:07 pm
I don't understand why some people are so much bothered about EM fields and stuff. I don't know any household source that can expose you to such levels of radiation that would be deemed harmful (be it anything from UV to long wave radio). :-//

This is an extreme example (http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/cellphones-suck-energy-just-put-some-cow-dung-rss-ideologue-2958597/) of one such insanity. (Real  :bullshit: detected)

Many reasons for that

1) EM radiation is invisible and people are afraid of things they cannot see. Same thing with germs for example

2) EM radiation is one of the toughest subjects in physics and electronics. Even EEs have trouble understanding all the concepts and intricancies about EM. To your average Joe it sounds like voodoo magic.

3) Ionising radiation and the damage it can do (eg Chernobil) is well known to the general public and conflated with non-ionising radiation. See number 2. It's tough stuff and you need the proper education to understand the differences.

4) There's the stupid notion that dosage doesn't matter and even the tiniest exposure can do damage. This of course isn't true even for ionising radiation

5) Some people through malice or stupidity propagate false information. Some benefit from this by selling all those bogus devices.


Very valid points - I also think a great deal of fear for "radiation" came from the Hanford tests during the Cold War when a large volume of radioactive Iodine was released into Washington State and the surroundings got a very large dose.

The government in it's wisdom then claimed the dosing was small - so if you received a large dose and get sick, but were told it was a small dose - what other conclusion could you have drawn, other than that small doses of radiation are harmful?

I think a great deal of the cultural fear of "radiation" descended from this: how many articles have you seen in the past about "overhead power lines causing me cancer" or "mobile phones cooking your brain" or "microwave ovens causing epilepsy" or "radio masts causing autism in children that received the mmr vaccine"?

As fubar.gr said, it's something you can't see and don't understand: and you know there are situations were it's bad, the result is you don't want it in your home.

As James Randi once said: "Ignorance is both hereditary and contagious"; and if somebody is willing to make money from your ignorance then the world's their plug-in EMC-cancelling oyster.

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on October 17, 2016, 05:35:28 pm
The government in it's wisdom then claimed the dosing was small - so if you received a large dose and get sick, but were told it was a small dose - what other conclusion could you have drawn, other than that small doses of radiation are harmful?
Thanks for mentioning this; I wasn't aware of it. It's actually much worse than that: the deliberate releases were secret and the amount of their activity was tens of thousands of times higher than well-publicized disasters like Three Mile Island.
http://hanfordproject.com/atmospheric.html (http://hanfordproject.com/atmospheric.html)
Our nation has stopped building nuclear power plants over severely overblown fears of accidents, but the production of "modernized" nuclear arms with its classified fallout continues, no matter which administration is in "power".
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 21, 2016, 07:11:40 am
Just discovered this (http://energyfanatics.com/2015/01/22/keshe-plasma-generator-real-free-energy-device/) and cried a little.

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Scientists have known for a long time that plasma energy is real and that there is enough energy in the vacuum of a single hydrogen atom to power the whole world for many years.
Apparently all us engineers and scientists missed the memo: I always thought plasma was an ionised gas, not an "energy"; and wow, better start regulating that hydrogen vacuum energy before some noob free energy investigator accidentally releases several terawatts in the space of a single hydrogen atom and causes a massive explosion...


I know this isn't a snake-oil product, but I still found it... um...  :palm:

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Capacitors setting on a shelf should have a resistor (shunt) across the terminals, while they are in storage on the shelf to prevent accidental discharge when picking them up off the shelf. They develop dangerous charges just setting there.

Well, who knew!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on October 21, 2016, 08:06:07 am
[quote


I know this isn't a snake-oil product, but I still found it... um...  :palm:

Quote
Capacitors setting on a shelf should have a resistor (shunt) across the terminals, while they are in storage on the shelf to prevent accidental discharge when picking them up off the shelf. They develop dangerous charges just setting there.

Well, who knew!
[/quote]
At school I had an EHT capacitor from an old TV that would pick up a charge large enough to give a nasty jolt just by it hanging around, put next to a florescent lamp and the charge was enough to floor you.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 21, 2016, 08:36:03 am
Quote



I know this isn't a snake-oil product, but I still found it... um...  :palm:

Quote
Capacitors setting on a shelf should have a resistor (shunt) across the terminals, while they are in storage on the shelf to prevent accidental discharge when picking them up off the shelf. They develop dangerous charges just setting there.

Well, who knew!
At school I had an EHT capacitor from an old TV that would pick up a charge large enough to give a nasty jolt just by it hanging around, put next to a florescent lamp and the charge was enough to floor you.

Sorry, should have said - the guy was claiming to use a series of transistors to harvest free energy from the cosmos - and then went on to give the general advice on not getting shocked from your parts-bin capacitors :P

Your example's an interesting one though: I assume you could charge them with a strong enough RF field - a lot of HAMs used to check their antennas were transmitting by having a fluorescent bulb (disconnected) nearby xD

--EDIT BEGIN--
I'm actually wondering if that'd even work, given that the RF field would induce an alternating current - would there be a net charge at the end?
--EDIT END--

In the case of the EHT cap - was that just dielectric absorption from the, I would assume, pretty large voltage that it once had?

Still - in general, I'm not sure I've ever seen anybody regularly put bleeder resistors on stored (general purpose) capacitors :P
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on October 23, 2016, 03:50:29 pm
Tha capacitor could be left for days with the terminals shorted and you would not get a shock from it but put it next to a florescent lamp for a second or two and it would give you a nasty belt again.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on October 23, 2016, 03:53:08 pm
Came across this today, LED's are very bad for your health according to this quack site.

https://youtu.be/mOQ2SmaDLOY
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: meeder on October 23, 2016, 06:56:21 pm
As soon as I see Mercola.com I am done... That guy is one of the biggest nutcases out there together with that guy from natural news...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on October 23, 2016, 11:24:05 pm
"WTF is mercola.com?"

*new incognito tab*

"mercola.com"

 :o :wtf:

*close tab*

"Oh...OK then. New age health :bullshit:"

*gets it now* :-+
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TheNewLab on October 24, 2016, 06:37:51 am
He I like snake oil, well, snakes taste food, and there must be oil in that meat.

About TJ  YouTube channel. Watch it through. he has a whole series of satires of doubling and tripling your Internet speed, plus others. I don't fall off my chair, but i do get a nice chuckle and am glad he is doing it.

Now snake oil, search for "EMF illness" on YT. Sure some of it makes sense and may be possible. A lot of it is ubsurd.  I mean, use a grounding mat for therapy??

Glad you opened this thread. Will, keep checking back to see where it goes  :P
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 24, 2016, 07:08:09 am
Now snake oil, search for "EMF illness" on YT. Sure some of it makes sense and may be possible. A lot of it is ubsurd.  I mean, use a grounding mat for therapy??

Bet you to the punch I'm afraid! Check out "original earthing" and other such nonsense - I came across them a while back while looking for earthing rods... They sell 6" and 12" earth rods for £40 (which is practically $40 these days) and claim that they can do everything from curing cancer to making unicorns appear.

The claim is that you're not getting your dose of "earth energy" because you're insulated from the ground by your houses' foundations - but earthing yourself (with their £40 ground rod, £20 cable, and £20 wrist strap and optional £10 junction box, £60 ground mat and special £10 solid banana posts) gives you a connection to the earth energy again.

Duh, what, you didn't know this? Somebody should tell the NHS, they could just wire you up to mains earth instead of wasting all those hundreds of millions on pounds on state of the art drugs and training people who dedicate their lives to treating illness!

Of course, walking around barefoot in the grass is far better than forcing the earth energy through some copper... xD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on October 24, 2016, 10:04:48 am

Of course, walking around barefoot in the grass is far better than forcing the earth energy through some copper... xD

Well I would highly recommend walking around barefoot in the grass on occasion as I find it a rather pleasant experience (of course we don't live in a country where the native wildlife actively tries to kill us so 'YMMV') but if you have to ground yourself then you really should use aligned crystalline oxygen free copper that's been treated by a liquid nitrogen dip  :-DD :-DD :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on October 24, 2016, 10:26:21 am
Well I would highly recommend walking around barefoot in the grass on occasion as I find it a rather pleasant experience (of course we don't live in a country where the native wildlife actively tries to kill us so 'YMMV') but if you have to ground yourself then you really should use aligned crystalline oxygen free copper that's been treated by a liquid nitrogen dip  :-DD :-DD :-DD

Don't forget to coat the copper in silver to counteract the skin effect. :)

As most of us spend a considerable amount of time with an earth strap on our wrist (not the wireless version), we must be some of the healthiest people on the planet. Unless of course our benches are being lit with evil LED lighting.

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: AlxDroidDev on October 24, 2016, 12:50:23 pm
but if you have to ground yourself then you really should use aligned crystalline oxygen free copper that's been treated by a liquid nitrogen dip 

I have some thick scrap wires made of copper. I'll align the copper crystals with tiny tweezers and dip them in cold water. Do you think that will do the trick?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on October 24, 2016, 03:40:43 pm
Dont forget to scrub your electricity with bleach before you use it as apparently dirty electricity is bad for your health, oh and remove any numbers digital is also harmfull. :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on October 25, 2016, 06:20:54 pm
This thread reminds me of a book series I read as a kid where some teenager travels in time through nanite-powered wormholes to try and stop his father from destroying the entire future timeline of Earth simply because he started a cult of new age :bullshit: and got a bunch of sheeple to follow him.

There was a part where the people thought they could cure everything but it ended up turning nearly everone into mindless cyborges. They ended up destroying the world again and sending people back to ancient times with very little tech because they believe technology and numbers were evil. :-DD And the kid's girlfriend is a paradox caught between different times as a result if the damaging effects of :bullshit: on the timeline.

So beware... :bullshit: is dangerous to all of reality. :scared: (googleing that series now)

EDIT: "The Klaatu Diskos"
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: mc172 on November 03, 2016, 12:57:31 pm
PowerPerfector and their "voltage optimisation" wank. They've only gone and installed one where I work, despite me trying to discourage them. Retarded...

http://www.powerperfector.com (http://www.powerperfector.com)

They come and install a hideous, useless, bright green box:

(http://gtm-electrical.co.uk/images/gallery/33/dscf1438__grid_10.jpg)

(http://www.carbonmanagers.com/NewsLetter/carbonnews/28-02-09/images/article/PPCIMG1208web.jpg)

(Not my images)

They come to your place, take a few "measurements" and produce a report showing the "amount it will save" with a sufficient amount of zeros on the end. The savings they claim are in the order of 9 to 13% - I reckon this would be around the expected level of fluctuation between any two years of usage on a normal mains supply anyway.

The counter on their website (here, top right: http://www.powerperfector.com/Media.html (http://www.powerperfector.com/Media.html)) just increments once a second at a predetermined rate. The top one (kWh) increments 17 per second. The bottom one (£) increments at £1 per second. That’s about on par with the price of gas per kWh, not electricity. It even resets back to £303,254,134 or if you refresh the page!
This doesn't even tally up with the cost of electricity - 17 kWh would cost more like £2.36 at the average rate of 13.86p per kWh (it's what Google said).

PowerPerfector are currently dissolved with a net worth of £100 on last published accounts, with £0 in the bank.
It appears that “Intelligent Energy Saving Company” now own them. Their registered London office houses 30 companies – of which, five have £0 in their bank account, one has £1 and seven have a net worth of less than £2. Around half of them have no accounts info, including the company in question. So, it's a PO box, which is sufficient for them to say that they have a London office or head office.

PowerPerfector and EEVS (The Energy Efficiency Verification Specialists, who seem to verify the energy efficiency/savings claims made by PowerPerfector) have been colluding together in a sort of back-hand deal: https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2013/1/powerPerfector-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_200249.aspx#.V5de7PkrK70 (https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2013/1/powerPerfector-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_200249.aspx#.V5de7PkrK70)


 :bullshit: :bullshit: :bullshit:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kilrah on November 03, 2016, 02:56:58 pm
Wow  :scared:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: salbayeng on November 12, 2016, 09:06:52 am
Impressive, wish we could score on these snake oil posts, I'd give yours 100 points on the scam-o-meter!
Looks like some series reactors, might help a bit with lightning protection? not going to save any electricity though!

Reading between the lines it looks like it might be intended to be static compensator of some sort, although there is about 1% fact and 99% hype on the web page.
Regulating the supply voltage to save electricity costs only works on light bulbs and fixed heating.  Computers etc and VFD's on motors will just draw more current. Anything on a thermostat will just run longer.
They claim to be "carbon negative" ?? what is that??

It must be good for the planet, it's in a green box.

Ah there's a schematic: http://www.powerperfector.com/SystemSchematic.html (http://www.powerperfector.com/SystemSchematic.html)
Based on that, in theory it can do some improvement in power quality, but there's not enough iron or copper in there to have an impact on a megawatt sized installation.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: mc172 on November 12, 2016, 03:50:38 pm
The scary thing is, Ofgem (https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/ (https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/)), the National Grid, the Department of Energy & Climate Change and the Environment Agency condone it! It must be legit if they approve. :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: jonovid on November 12, 2016, 04:48:02 pm
Quote
PowerPerfector and their "voltage optimisation" wank. They've only gone and installed one where I work, despite me trying to discourage them. Retarded...
as I remember,   ::) this looks like correction capacitors on AC for fluorescent lighting efficiency?
conclusion on all this optimisation.  al gore an inconvenient snake oil salesman. remember the world ended in 2012 . :bullshit:  more like his world :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: dusty594 on December 07, 2016, 09:32:51 pm
Found this little gem while looking for something else and I knew I had to share. Hopefully it's good for a laugh for somebody out there, I sure had a giggle.

http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html (http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html)

First post to the forum by the way. When I saw this snake oil I thought "who better to share this with?" So, hello!

Shield your wireless router! Shield your keyboard! Just unbelievable  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on December 07, 2016, 11:23:09 pm
Found this little gem while looking for something else and I knew I had to share. Hopefully it's good for a laugh for somebody out there, I sure had a giggle.

http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html (http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html)

First post to the forum by the way. When I saw this snake oil I thought "who better to share this with?" So, hello!

Shield your wireless router! Shield your keyboard! Just unbelievable  :-DD

OMG  :palm:  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Artlav on December 08, 2016, 10:17:02 pm
Found this little gem while looking for something else and I knew I had to share. Hopefully it's good for a laugh for somebody out there, I sure had a giggle.
Ah. That brings back memories.
The monitor shields used to be essentially standard issue here back in the 90s, with the CRT monitors.
The list of radiations they were supposed to be stopping was huge, but the only thing they were good for is acting as a HV generator for kids to use for all sorts of tricks and shocks - when the monitor is turned on, a charge is generated on it.

Not too surprising - it was "common knowledge" that monitors emit "harmful radiation", so a shield was mandatory.
I've actually tracked that myth down to several early Soviet TVs that used a triode as a linear voltage regulator for the CRT anode supply. At 20+KV these tubes emitted a little of real x-rays, enough to fog a photo film placed near the right spot on the TV box.
That problem was fixed quickly, but the "did you know" survived well into the 21st century...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on December 09, 2016, 12:32:12 am
CRTs would emit significant X-rays as well if it weren't for the heavy metals in the glass. And that is what is required to shield from X-rays, heavy metals. Thin steel or aluminum sheet is not going to cut it. Since the glass is thinner in the neck area, some of the X-rays are reflected towards the back and project out backwards. They were also universally labeled (once regulations required it) that changes to the circuit could compromise the X-ray protection and emit harmful amounts of X-rays.
What the thin "shielding" is good for is controlling electromagnetic interference. This is important to avoid erasing magnetic media and causing noise in nearby audio systems.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: AlxDroidDev on December 11, 2016, 04:14:43 am
Found this little gem while looking for something else and I knew I had to share. Hopefully it's good for a laugh for somebody out there, I sure had a giggle.

http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html (http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html)

First post to the forum by the way. When I saw this snake oil I thought "who better to share this with?" So, hello!

Shield your wireless router! Shield your keyboard! Just unbelievable  :-DD

This reminds me of the Netflix series "Better Call Saul" (a spin off from "Breaking Bad"). Charles "Chuck" McGill, Saul Goodman's brother, has a paranoia where he thinks he's allergic to EM radiation. It's pretty clear in the series that Chuck is dellusional and paranoid, and such allergy is all a truckload of BS.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Canis Dirus Leidy on December 12, 2016, 11:41:48 pm
The list of radiations they were supposed to be stopping was huge, but the only thing they were good for is acting as a HV generator for kids to use for all sorts of tricks and shocks - when the monitor is turned on, a charge is generated on it.
In theory, those screens were to be grounded (they had a wire with U-lug for connection to PC case). In practice, nobody cares (especially with the common for that time ungrounded wiring).

P.S. And don't forget about cacti Because everybody knows™ that cacti sucks out those harmful radiation! :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bud on December 13, 2016, 01:23:38 am
Quote
Wikipedia, "History of geomagnetism"
"One belief, dating back to Pliny, was that fumes from eating garlic and onions could destroy the magnetism in a compass, rendering it useless."
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Inflex on December 31, 2016, 08:36:02 am
Found this little gem while looking for something else and I knew I had to share. Hopefully it's good for a laugh for somebody out there, I sure had a giggle.

http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html (http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html)

What I love is how they're almost all working with the same look/feel in  their web design.  Probably don't want to utilise css,  js, or anything post HTML 3.0  (maybe a little HTML4).  Must keep everything strongly bound & shielded by the Jacob's Tables!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Howardlong on January 04, 2017, 01:38:29 pm
This IoT hairbrush product came up on The Register today, possibly up there with Juicero and Juno.

http://www.withings.com/us/en/products/hair-coach#/ (http://www.withings.com/us/en/products/hair-coach#/)

https://www.juicero.com/how-it-works/ (https://www.juicero.com/how-it-works/)

https://juneoven.com/ (https://juneoven.com/)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: slicendice on January 04, 2017, 01:50:38 pm
Found this little gem while looking for something else and I knew I had to share. Hopefully it's good for a laugh for somebody out there, I sure had a giggle.

http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html (http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html)

First post to the forum by the way. When I saw this snake oil I thought "who better to share this with?" So, hello!

Shield your wireless router! Shield your keyboard! Just unbelievable  :-DD

 :-DD :-DD :-DD

OMG  :palm:  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Inflex on January 04, 2017, 02:07:42 pm
https://juneoven.com/ (https://juneoven.com/)

A pet peeve of mine is, in this world of trying to conserve energy / minimise etc, these compact ovens are a great idea however, they seem to never insulate the damned things, zippity zilch nada none, likewise stove pots, the walls should be insulated, but nope, let's just pump a few more kW in to the room  (fine if you're living in the cold, but up here in North QLD it's a bloomen hellish nightmare!).

I suppose I've somewhat created my own future line of kitchenware there...anyone want to pony me a few tens of thousand?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Don Hills on January 04, 2017, 10:25:40 pm
...
Shield your wireless router! Shield your keyboard! Just unbelievable  :-DD

I could have used a keyboard shield, back in the 80s. I was living in a house directly under the antenna of a 2 KW AM broadcast transmitter. If I hovered my hands just above my PC's keyboard, it would type random characters. I had to keep my leg pressed against the metal table support to prevent it.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Dan Moos on January 07, 2017, 01:40:29 am
Enjoy!

http://perkune.com/how-to-burn-in-new-cable (http://perkune.com/how-to-burn-in-new-cable)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Inflex on January 07, 2017, 01:47:41 am
Enjoy!

http://perkune.com/how-to-burn-in-new-cable (http://perkune.com/how-to-burn-in-new-cable)

I loved this bit...

"“When cables are new, they have no directionality, as this directionality has not been established. But when you start to pass a current through the cables, then things like trapped gases are dissipated and small impurities in the conductor’s metal begin to act like a diode. A diode prefers the current to pass in one direction and this is what is meant when we ask how to burn in a cable” "

Looks like my AC/DC music is going to be all DC now and no more "Thunderstruck" for me; wonder what they have to say about DC offset in cables?  They'll likely sell me a small $5k gold vessel to put under my speakers to drain all the excess trapped electrons that can't make their way back past the diode'ified-cable.

Amazing what they invent to sell stuff.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Dan Moos on January 07, 2017, 02:19:39 am
I'd love to hear the reason they give that an a.c. signal has direction.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: amspire on January 07, 2017, 11:06:16 pm
The semiconductor effects we normally deal with involve voltage drops in the hundred of mV, but lets be generous and say there are effects at 10mV. Say a defect in copper is 10 micrometers in size. For the semiconductor nature of the defect to conduct, it needs a 10mV drop in 10 micrometers of cable, so for a 10 meter cable, that would be a 10KV drop along the cable.

These speaker cables must be made from an invisibly thin copper wire. To feed 100W into your 8 ohm speakers, you will need a 40kW per channel power amplifier.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on January 07, 2017, 11:35:55 pm
Nowhere do they claim that the "defects" are uniform. Actually "audiophile" cables usually are made from OFC which has deliberately introduced impurities, and is non-uniform.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: mc172 on January 07, 2017, 11:45:40 pm
The wank is strong on this one.

Quote
In order to achieve exact impedance matching, Nordost’s Valhalla 2 Digital leads offer a double layer of silver shielding.

 :bullshit: :bullshit: :bullshit:

Edit: holy shit they've got a burn-in CD:

http://www.analogueseduction.net/burn-in-devices/ayre-acoustics-system-burn-in-cd.html (http://www.analogueseduction.net/burn-in-devices/ayre-acoustics-system-burn-in-cd.html)

 :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Canis Dirus Leidy on January 09, 2017, 03:21:44 pm
Edit: holy shit they've got a burn-in CD:
http://www.analogueseduction.net/burn-in-devices/ayre-acoustics-system-burn-in-cd.html (http://www.analogueseduction.net/burn-in-devices/ayre-acoustics-system-burn-in-cd.html)
 :palm:
I hope they don't forget to demagnetize (https://www.google.ru/#newwindow=1&q=compact+disc+demagnetizer) it.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on January 09, 2017, 09:04:03 pm
The wank is strong on this one.

Quote
In order to achieve exact impedance matching, Nordost’s Valhalla 2 Digital leads offer a double layer of silver shielding.

 :bullshit: :bullshit: :bullshit:

Edit: holy shit they've got a burn-in CD:

http://www.analogueseduction.net/burn-in-devices/ayre-acoustics-system-burn-in-cd.html (http://www.analogueseduction.net/burn-in-devices/ayre-acoustics-system-burn-in-cd.html)

 :palm:

If your ordering one, don't forget to grab one of their "Tellurium Q" CD's while you're at it, in case your system has "got into a rut" by always playing the same frequencies! http://www.analogueseduction.net/burn-in-devices/tellurium-q-system-enhancement-cd.html (http://www.analogueseduction.net/burn-in-devices/tellurium-q-system-enhancement-cd.html)

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Godzil on January 28, 2017, 01:49:39 pm
I don't know if it has already been posted here or on the other specific topic, but I found a serious competitor agains Bateroo:

http://ezbatteryreconditioning.com (http://ezbatteryreconditioning.com)

Warning: scam inside spotted :D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on January 30, 2017, 10:53:12 am
Get that wonderful vinyl sound from your CDs:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Verbatim-43426-52x-Vinyl-CD-R/dp/B000HPBRSM (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Verbatim-43426-52x-Vinyl-CD-R/dp/B000HPBRSM)

(OK, so not actually snake oil and actually quite appealing to me at least just for the look of them, but, wouldn't it be cool if in these days of cheap high power lasers, 3D printers etc. if there was a way to 'record' to vinyl at home?)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on January 30, 2017, 11:33:57 am
There is, and it doesn't even need lasers to work: https://www.stokyoworld.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Vestax-VRX-2000 (https://www.stokyoworld.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Vestax-VRX-2000)

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on January 30, 2017, 01:49:17 pm
You can't record to "vinyl" because it doesn't cut easily, its too tough.
Disc recording has been done in various materials including wax, lacquer-coated metal, and acetate.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Buriedcode on January 30, 2017, 02:22:14 pm
There is, and it doesn't even need lasers to work: https://www.stokyoworld.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Vestax-VRX-2000 (https://www.stokyoworld.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Vestax-VRX-2000)

McBryce.

From that link...

Quote
Pitch : plus/minus 10%

I'm not sure if that means pitch as in frequency of sound, or pitch angle of the turntable.. either way, 10% sounds shocking
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: slicendice on January 30, 2017, 03:54:29 pm
Get that wonderful vinyl sound from your CDs:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Verbatim-43426-52x-Vinyl-CD-R/dp/B000HPBRSM (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Verbatim-43426-52x-Vinyl-CD-R/dp/B000HPBRSM)

(OK, so not actually snake oil and actually quite appealing to me at least just for the look of them, but, wouldn't it be cool if in these days of cheap high power lasers, 3D printers etc. if there was a way to 'record' to vinyl at home?)

Those CD's are really good, I have used them a lot because they look great. The looks is all that is special about them really. And the "vinyl" side is a bit tougher and more scratch resistant than other CD's.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kjelt on January 31, 2017, 10:29:36 pm
So what did those record your own song boots in the 50s used to record?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: timb on February 01, 2017, 12:08:07 am
So what did those record your own song boots in the 50s used to record?

Tape!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Orpheus on February 09, 2017, 06:30:36 am
Here's a video of a 1947 plastic (vinyl?) recording stall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xQWq17qiZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xQWq17qiZc)

Apparently there's enough market demand for "record making machines" to breed modern scammers (http://thevinylfactory.com/news/diy-vinyl-recorder-lets-you-cut-your-own-records-at-home/).

It's sad, really, that we have scammers pretending to deliver a technology that was already developed 70 years ago, but there's a certain tribe that finds money sweeter and smarter if obtained by scamming.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on February 09, 2017, 09:25:35 am
There is, and it doesn't even need lasers to work: https://www.stokyoworld.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Vestax-VRX-2000 (https://www.stokyoworld.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Vestax-VRX-2000)

McBryce.


ouch, hardly one in every home at that price and it would be way more cool if it used a laser ;)

I do wonder if it would be possible though, perhaps not in vinyl, maybe polycarbonate or some such laser cutter 'friendly' plastic, to 'record' a disc at home.

Yet another experiment to add to the list of 'things I want a laser cutter for'

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on February 15, 2017, 07:25:16 am
Here's a video of a 1947 plastic (vinyl?) recording stall.
That's very cool! Near the end, you can see the label on the disc says "Caution Inflammable", so chances are high it's made of cellulose nitrate. That's a good material for cutting grooves in: not the most stable, but it should last for 50 years if not mistreated, and wouldn't wear out too fast. I wonder if anyone still makes blanks like that, or when they're gone they're gone?
Polycarbonate can be lathe cut, you don't need a laser. Laser cutting would be hard to control.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kjelt on February 15, 2017, 09:12:11 am
It would have been cool if there was a newer 21st century state of the art analog recording and playback system, no mechanics just analog memory chips with very good resolution.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Miyuki on February 15, 2017, 12:36:32 pm
It would have been cool if there was a newer 21st century state of the art analog recording and playback system, no mechanics just analog memory chips with very good resolution.
Oh good old CCD memory chips like some old digital oscilloscopes used, interesting idea  ;D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on February 15, 2017, 12:41:48 pm
Polycarbonate can be lathe cut, you don't need a laser. Laser cutting would be hard to control.

Shhhh, I'm trying to justify buying a laser cutter  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on February 16, 2017, 11:51:40 am
Polycarbonate can be lathe cut, you don't need a laser. Laser cutting would be hard to control.

Shhhh, I'm trying to justify buying a laser cutter  :-DD

How about investing in a few sharks. Then you'll NEED lasers to mount on their backs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw)

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: g.lewarne on February 17, 2017, 12:18:51 am
I don't know if it has already been posted here or on the other specific topic, but I found a serious competitor agains Bateroo:

http://ezbatteryreconditioning.com (http://ezbatteryreconditioning.com)

Warning: scam inside spotted :D


this would make a great drinking game

Chug beer every time "battery" is mentioned
Down shot every time "recondition/ing" is mentioned
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Miyuki on February 17, 2017, 09:02:27 am
I don't know if it has already been posted here or on the other specific topic, but I found a serious competitor agains Bateroo:

http://ezbatteryreconditioning.com (http://ezbatteryreconditioning.com)

Warning: scam inside spotted :D


this would make a great drinking game

Chug beer every time "battery" is mentioned
Down shot every time "recondition/ing" is mentioned
You will be death from alcohol poisoning before half of this video
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Canis Dirus Leidy on February 21, 2017, 10:52:11 am
Audiophile SATA cable: http://audiophile.rocks/sata.html (http://audiophile.rocks/sata.html) With 50% discount (so you can enjoy MP3s just for $595)!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cgroen on February 21, 2017, 11:14:03 am
Audiophile SATA cable: http://audiophile.rocks/sata.html (http://audiophile.rocks/sata.html) With 50% discount (so you can enjoy MP3s just for $595)!

The amount of stupidity in the world continues to amaze me.....
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on February 21, 2017, 01:06:44 pm
The whole website...

H2U2 filtering, treated with proprietary liquids, that could well be urine and cheap beer
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Miyuki on February 21, 2017, 03:03:41 pm
Audiophile SATA cable: http://audiophile.rocks/sata.html (http://audiophile.rocks/sata.html) With 50% discount (so you can enjoy MP3s just for $595)!
That cheap cables really distort sound I use just ones with Ivory connectors and insulation from mouse skin for high pitch sound quality :P
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on February 22, 2017, 01:00:00 am
OMG, best snake oil BS video ever!  :palm:

https://youtu.be/jF1NM0U8Plg
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Richard Crowley on February 22, 2017, 05:16:03 am
OMG, best snake oil BS video ever!  :palm:
Only because you apparently haven't seen his video about getting free cable TV.
He readily admits that the videos are total BS, but they have so many millions of views he won't take them down because he looses his YT income.  He argues that he has graduated to making "legitimate" videos. But IMHO, he has completely squandered any reputation forever.  Or at least until he takes down the BS videos. He clearly values money over honesty.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on February 22, 2017, 05:43:03 am
OMG, best snake oil BS video ever!  :palm:
Only because you apparently haven't seen his video about getting free cable TV.
He readily admits that the videos are total BS, but they have so many millions of views he won't take them down because he looses his YT income.  He argues that he has graduated to making "legitimate" videos. But IMHO, he has completely squandered any reputation forever.  Or at least until he takes down the BS videos. He clearly values money over honesty.

I don't need to watch his other videos, this one proved beyond a shadow of a doubt he's a total fraud!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Money4Nothing on February 24, 2017, 06:07:37 pm
PowerPerfector and their "voltage optimisation" wank. They've only gone and installed one where I work, despite me trying to discourage them. Retarded...

http://www.powerperfector.com (http://www.powerperfector.com)

They come and install a hideous, useless, bright green box:

(http://gtm-electrical.co.uk/images/gallery/33/dscf1438__grid_10.jpg)

(http://www.carbonmanagers.com/NewsLetter/carbonnews/28-02-09/images/article/PPCIMG1208web.jpg)

(Not my images)

They come to your place, take a few "measurements" and produce a report showing the "amount it will save" with a sufficient amount of zeros on the end. The savings they claim are in the order of 9 to 13% - I reckon this would be around the expected level of fluctuation between any two years of usage on a normal mains supply anyway.

The counter on their website (here, top right: http://www.powerperfector.com/Media.html (http://www.powerperfector.com/Media.html)) just increments once a second at a predetermined rate. The top one (kWh) increments 17 per second. The bottom one (£) increments at £1 per second. That’s about on par with the price of gas per kWh, not electricity. It even resets back to £303,254,134 or if you refresh the page!
This doesn't even tally up with the cost of electricity - 17 kWh would cost more like £2.36 at the average rate of 13.86p per kWh (it's what Google said).

PowerPerfector are currently dissolved with a net worth of £100 on last published accounts, with £0 in the bank.
It appears that “Intelligent Energy Saving Company” now own them. Their registered London office houses 30 companies – of which, five have £0 in their bank account, one has £1 and seven have a net worth of less than £2. Around half of them have no accounts info, including the company in question. So, it's a PO box, which is sufficient for them to say that they have a London office or head office.

PowerPerfector and EEVS (The Energy Efficiency Verification Specialists, who seem to verify the energy efficiency/savings claims made by PowerPerfector) have been colluding together in a sort of back-hand deal: https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2013/1/powerPerfector-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_200249.aspx#.V5de7PkrK70 (https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2013/1/powerPerfector-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_200249.aspx#.V5de7PkrK70)


 :bullshit: :bullshit: :bullshit:


If you had a big problem with non-linear loads causing harmonic distortion, and this actually reduced harmonics like is says, then it could increase the efficiency of your primary utility transformer, and save you some money. We used auto-transformers to do this sometimes in our systems.

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Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: mc172 on February 24, 2017, 11:59:09 pm
If you had a big problem with non-linear loads causing harmonic distortion, and this actually reduced harmonics like is says, then it could increase the efficiency of your primary utility transformer, and save you some money. We used auto-transformers to do this sometimes in our systems.

$

You just won Bullshit Bingo, well done!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bud on February 25, 2017, 06:59:43 pm
OMG, best snake oil BS video ever!  :palm:

The guy has a bright future as a polititian or the boss of a big media outlet.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on February 25, 2017, 09:30:30 pm
OMG, best snake oil BS video ever!  :palm:

The guy has a bright future as a polititian or the boss of a big media outlet.

Indeed, his ability to lie his ass off with a completely straight face, while simultaneously screwing over stupid ppl, would make make him an ideal candidate for any conservative right wing party.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on February 27, 2017, 09:09:25 am
So here is a question - technically off-topic, but still intricately related; so feel free to shout at me ;)

Audiophoolery: is subjective marketing (it "sounds" better) actually immoral? Let us suppose I wanted to make a quick buck - so I designed a cable with good noise rejection/low distortion (under lab conditions) - and sold it as an audiophool grade cable.

The purchaser, who probably won't know any better then buys it, and perceives and improvement - even if there is no demonstrable changes in sound quality - in other words they have been misled but still perceive a benefit: is it still immoral in this case?


And just to stay on topic - Healing Lamps! (https://www.amazon.co.uk/2-3Kg-Himalayan-Natural-Healing-Crystal/dp/B017I0Z4MI/ref=pd_sim_201_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=319F6J6WFEC5AD7Z79DW) Put a bulb inside 2-3kg of Sodium Chloride (with some impurities) and Voila! Instant "Healing"!

No, I don't know what shining a light and/or heating some impure sodium chloride is supposed to do for your health - though I suppose if you sat there and licked it for a bit it might raise your blood pressure...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on February 27, 2017, 10:41:45 am
So here is a question - technically off-topic, but still intricately related; so feel free to shout at me ;)

Audiophoolery: is subjective marketing (it "sounds" better) actually immoral? Let us suppose I wanted to make a quick buck - so I designed a cable with good noise rejection/low distortion (under lab conditions) - and sold it as an audiophool grade cable.

The purchaser, who probably won't know any better then buys it, and perceives and improvement - even if there is no demonstrable changes in sound quality - in other words they have been misled but still perceive a benefit: is it still immoral in this case?


And just to stay on topic - Healing Lamps! (https://www.amazon.co.uk/2-3Kg-Himalayan-Natural-Healing-Crystal/dp/B017I0Z4MI/ref=pd_sim_201_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=319F6J6WFEC5AD7Z79DW) Put a bulb inside 2-3kg of Sodium Chloride (with some impurities) and Voila! Instant "Healing"!

No, I don't know what shining a light and/or heating some impure sodium chloride is supposed to do for your health - though I suppose if you sat there and licked it for a bit it might raise your blood pressure...

I don't think it's off topic for this thread, at least not far...

Immoral, depends I guess, for audiophool stuff, probably not as you need to be a rich phool to take advantage of such 'offers' and if you're daft enough to believe the outlandish claims then more phool you, it' really rather unlikely anyone is going to get hurt by a phool paying out bucketloads of cash, besides if someone derives pleasure from the kit they buy then have they really been ripped off?

If you're claiming to cure acute illness and are taking money from people who are in need of genuine medical help then I'd say that's immoral (and potentially illegal).

Things like crystal healing, aromatherapy, homeopathy and similar are an odd collection of therapies in that people believe they work so I'm undecided on those as general 'wellbeing' therapies, if they make someone feel better for having a nice smell around the house or give them a bit of attention that lifts a feeling of gloom are they really a bad thing?

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on February 27, 2017, 11:41:59 am
If you're claiming to cure acute illness and are taking money from people who are in need of genuine medical help then I'd say that's immoral (and potentially illegal).

Things like crystal healing, aromatherapy, homeopathy and similar are an odd collection of therapies in that people believe they work so I'm undecided on those as general 'wellbeing' therapies, if they make someone feel better for having a nice smell around the house or give them a bit of attention that lifts a feeling of gloom are they really a bad thing?

I have a very firm stance on false healing claims - in part because I come from a biochemistry/immunology background (I even have a degree in it... that I haven't technically used yet...). The difference between a health claim and a "good audio" claim is that one of these can kill you and the other is much less likely to hurt anything save your bank account.

I mean, just last week a homeopathist died from an overdose.

He forgot to take his meds ;)


"Wellbeing" treatments are all fine and well - it's well known that simply talking to a patient without actually treating anything can have quite drastic effects - which is why when a doctor has 10 minutes tops to spend on you, and your homeopathist has an hour, one will instantly win favour with the patient - even if their "treatment" has no efficacy. But there is a difference between prescribing a bogus treatment and talking - talk to your patient all you want - but don't give them water and tell them it will cure their cancer!


Now, to bring this full circle, I think we're now at the point where we have to describe what we mean by "moral" - for instance - audiophoolary could be considered immoral and harmless - while bogus health claims (from somebody who knows better) could be considered immoral and harmful: and this branches into a philosophical discussion about whether being misleading is a type of dishonesty and it goes on a bit from there.

For instance, if I sell moondust audio cables - as long as they contain moondust they are technically moondust cables - it just doesn't mean anything - so I haven't actually lied - but by leading you to believe that they impart better audio: am I now lying by omission/proxy?

No matter which way I fathom this I end up branching into philosophy (whether "immorality" can be equated to "harm", what is truth, what is harm, etc etc etc which is a massive field unto itself) - it might be worth separate post on the forum actually - though Im not sure I can be bothered!



Also, um... is it just me, or does the idea of "moondust cables" sound really cool? sure they won't do anything (apart from transmitting audio) - but they certainly sound really cool! Plus it'd be a major bragging point amongst audiophiles - "dude have you heard these cables? They have DUST FROM THE MOON IN THEM!"

All I need now is a rock from the moon that I can crush into very, VERY fine dust which I'll place inside the sheath in minute quantities and I can make a LOT of money!

Maybe get 100-200 cables for per moonrock? £1000 each? That should offset the cost of buying a gram of moonrock (about £50'000)... I can even make them in 3-meter lengths - BARGAIN cost! Can even come with a certificate guaranteeing actual moondust... Hmm, maybe meteoric iron would be better... antimony impurities make the cables surprisingly brittle and weak - but it's sound quality? OUT OF THIS WORLD!

Despite being a perversion of science and technology, I kinda want to try this just to see if it'd catch on... anybody want to invest £50'000 for some moonrock? I could go on Dragon's Den with this!

--EDIT--
I feel kind a guilty just for coming up with that idea... I'd make a terrible businessman!

The other problem is that I'd probably want to keep the moonrock - because its a rock from the moon and I am a nerd and think that a rock from another body in the solar system is REALLY ****ING COOL :-+
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on February 27, 2017, 12:22:37 pm
Indeed, selling a 'cure' which has no known effect is a particularly evil form of fraud, if I believed in %deity% I'd have them create a special hell for that sort of con artist.

Selling audiocables to fools with too much money and too little common sense to do some sensible research, I'm thinking a fool and their money...

If we were to make all the flowery language used in marketing illegal or at least make it so it have to be substantive then it'd be a hell of a job to sell fragrance, flavours, anything that's got a subjective element.

For instance, I don't particularly like white wine but a good red or, even better, a good scotch is something that can only be described in that flowery language, if I don't get 'smoky, peat, reminiscent of smooth morning mist over Loch Maree' from my scotch can I say I've been ripped off?

Sadly once we enter into the esoteric end of the audio market then it becomes subjective as we can't measure the claimed differences so morality becomes something we can't really argue or can we?
 
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on February 27, 2017, 01:58:48 pm
Indeed, selling a 'cure' which has no known effect is a particularly evil form of fraud...

...subjective as we can't measure the claimed differences so morality becomes something we can't really argue or can we?

Seconded! I agree wholeheartedly!

And now, to return us to your previously scheduled thread, I bring you...

Prism HEALING (http://prismhealing.com/)

It's a mixture of shamanism, crystal healing, and "prism energy"

My favourite part about claims regarding rainbows/prisms/spectra is that there are "7 colours" - 7 colours of the rainbow, 7 bands of human emotion, always 7, lucky 7,  etc etc etc...

Except, if you look at the visible light spectrum/rainbow... you see exactly one of those things you're looking at: you see a spectrum!

There's pretty much an infinity of colours there... 7 is commonly chosen for mystical reasons that people long ago forgot about... So when you combine that with somebody trying to sell you the idea you suddenly realise how utterly ridiculous it is: it'd be like me trying to sell you on the idea of Chinchorro mummification but not telling you why mummifying you is a good idea (because I don't actually know)

He also offers Energetic House Cleansing (http://prismhealing.com/services/energetic-house-cleansing/) which is a bit like when you hire the energiser bunny as a maid/butler but with less hoovering and far fewer adult videos on the subject.

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on February 27, 2017, 03:36:04 pm
There's pretty much an infinity of colours there... 7 is commonly chosen for mystical reasons that people long ago forgot about... So when you combine that with somebody trying to sell you the idea you suddenly realise how utterly ridiculous it is: it'd be like me trying to sell you on the idea of Chinchorro mummification but not telling you why mummifying you is a good idea (because I don't actually know)

He's missing octarine...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: SeanB on February 27, 2017, 05:13:50 pm
So here is a question - technically off-topic, but still intricately related; so feel free to shout at me ;)

Audiophoolery: is subjective marketing (it "sounds" better) actually immoral? Let us suppose I wanted to make a quick buck - so I designed a cable with good noise rejection/low distortion (under lab conditions) - and sold it as an audiophool grade cable.

The purchaser, who probably won't know any better then buys it, and perceives and improvement - even if there is no demonstrable changes in sound quality - in other words they have been misled but still perceive a benefit: is it still immoral in this case?


And just to stay on topic - Healing Lamps! (https://www.amazon.co.uk/2-3Kg-Himalayan-Natural-Healing-Crystal/dp/B017I0Z4MI/ref=pd_sim_201_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=319F6J6WFEC5AD7Z79DW) Put a bulb inside 2-3kg of Sodium Chloride (with some impurities) and Voila! Instant "Healing"!

No, I don't know what shining a light and/or heating some impure sodium chloride is supposed to do for your health - though I suppose if you sat there and licked it for a bit it might raise your blood pressure...

Well, I have a Bioptron lamp, which I bought at auction as "not working, bulb faulty" for $30, just because I was interested in what it was.  googled and found the stock faults of a dead Zetex transistor and a failed transformer, and my one had the dead transformer.  10 minutes of work later and I used a salvaged one in it, and it worked again. Works at least as a really efficient room heater, 200W of input energy to around 5W of light, the rest being heat in the 100W halogen lamp and half the rest being absorbed in a large polarising mirror. But interesting electronics wise, and really well make, seeing as the new price is over $2k each.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bud on March 05, 2017, 01:40:14 am
Grounding sleeping bags, grounding bed sheets, grounding yoga mats, and even grounding laundry detergents are here:

https://www.upayanaturals.com/Whole_Body_Grounding_Bag_with_grounding_plug_9_p/bc-1012.htm (https://www.upayanaturals.com/Whole_Body_Grounding_Bag_with_grounding_plug_9_p/bc-1012.htm)

Quote
...with a ground cord, similar to the Earthing Connection sheets. One end of the cord snaps onto the bag and the other end inserts into the Earth Tap, which plugs into a grounded electrical outlet.

 :scared:


Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on March 05, 2017, 07:43:57 am
Wow! It even comes with a DVD!

That must be the visual tutorial on how to use a sleeping bag. A tutorial on better science may be more beneficial at this point in your life ;)

I suppose it might be beneficial if you want to handle ESD sensitive components from the comfort of your own bed!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on March 05, 2017, 12:07:01 pm
Grounding sleeping bags, grounding bed sheets, grounding yoga mats, and even grounding laundry detergents are here:

https://www.upayanaturals.com/Whole_Body_Grounding_Bag_with_grounding_plug_9_p/bc-1012.htm (https://www.upayanaturals.com/Whole_Body_Grounding_Bag_with_grounding_plug_9_p/bc-1012.htm)

Quote
...with a ground cord, similar to the Earthing Connection sheets. One end of the cord snaps onto the bag and the other end inserts into the Earth Tap, which plugs into a grounded electrical outlet.

 :scared:

"The Whole Body Grounding Bag was initially designed for Tour de France cyclists"....

So they're saying that someone who is willing to sit on a bike for a few hours a day, completely isolated from the earth, moving swiftly through unfiltered air particles and at varying altitudes... is really worried about being grounded??

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Daruosha on March 05, 2017, 04:21:15 pm
Guys, behold the magnificence of the greatest invention of the entire human history:

It's a CD/DVD ROM energizer that not only "aligns the entire signal path (conductors in A/V equipment) within 1 meter (3ft) of the disc player. " But  "also, the disc will generate the PVA field that aligns the motions of gases and water molecules in the air" once its protons has been aligned in the energizer. I don't have enough knowledge to understand it, but i quated from their own website!

For you electronics and physics amateurs, PVA stands for Proton Vibration Alignment. Go figure:

http://www.improveaudio.com/how-does-it-work.htm (http://www.improveaudio.com/how-does-it-work.htm)

Who the hell has bothered to wrote that BS and waste money on a domain registration, web hosting expanses and time to make it appear on the internet?!?! 

At least it makes your audio sounds better, psychologically of course.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on March 06, 2017, 04:02:07 pm
Guys, behold the magnificence of the greatest invention of the entire human history:

It's a CD/DVD ROM energizer that not only "aligns the entire signal path (conductors in A/V equipment) within 1 meter (3ft) of the disc player. " But  "also, the disc will generate the PVA field that aligns the motions of gases and water molecules in the air" once its protons has been aligned in the energizer. I don't have enough knowledge to understand it, but i quated from their own website!

For you electronics and physics amateurs, PVA stands for Proton Vibration Alignment. Go figure:

http://www.improveaudio.com/how-does-it-work.htm (http://www.improveaudio.com/how-does-it-work.htm)

Who the hell has bothered to wrote that BS and waste money on a domain registration, web hosting expanses and time to make it appear on the internet?!?! 

At least it makes your audio sounds better, psychologically of course.
Euphoria technology. That's the feeling they get when banking the last mugs money I guess.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on March 06, 2017, 04:45:37 pm

"The Whole Body Grounding Bag was initially designed for Tour de France cyclists"....

So they're saying that someone who is willing to sit on a bike for a few hours a day, completely isolated from the earth, moving swiftly through unfiltered air particles and at varying altitudes... is really worried about being grounded??

McBryce.

You're missing 'willing to pump themselves full of dubious legality performance enhancing drugs' as well
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Buriedcode on March 07, 2017, 05:27:56 pm
http://www.vitastiq.com/ (http://www.vitastiq.com/)

And... https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/irife-detox/id563078652?mt=8 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/irife-detox/id563078652?mt=8)

It used to be, back in the good 'ol days of the internet (15 years ago?) that this sort of thing was rare... sure, lots of people still believed it, but it was generally considered very niche - "tin foil people".  Sadly, it is becoming far more mainstream, without actually using any 'new' ideas (new scam ideas that is) but creating slicker marketing it seems more and more are falling for it because they assume it *must* work, otherwise authorities would stop them selling it.

What used to be a guilty pleasure of mine, to look for the silliest pseduoscience and who falls for it, is now becoming a real worry.  I am amazed how many seemingly educated, and reasonable people fall for scams/snake oil that is clearly ridiculous.  I might understand if there was a rather clever deception going on, but there isn't.  It just requires one to ask 'how does it work'.. but clearly some are incapable of entertaining that question.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on March 07, 2017, 05:36:25 pm
http://www.vitastiq.com/ (http://www.vitastiq.com/)

And... https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/irife-detox/id563078652?mt=8 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/irife-detox/id563078652?mt=8)

It used to be, back in the good 'ol days of the internet (15 years ago?) that this sort of thing was rare... sure, lots of people still believed it, but it was generally considered very niche - "tin foil people".  Sadly, it is becoming far more mainstream, without actually using any 'new' ideas (new scam ideas that is) but creating slicker marketing it seems more and more are falling for it because they assume it *must* work, otherwise authorities would stop them selling it.

What used to be a guilty pleasure of mine, to look for the silliest pseduoscience and who falls for it, is now becoming a real worry.  I am amazed how many seemingly educated, and reasonable people fall for scams/snake oil that is clearly ridiculous.  I might understand if there was a rather clever deception going on, but there isn't.  It just requires one to ask 'how does it work'.. but clearly some are incapable of entertaining that question.

So their target market are people who have a fear of getting sick from chemtrails / radiation / frequencies etc, but walk around with an iPhone in their pocket???  :palm: Does that even exist?

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: t_ryner on March 08, 2017, 01:45:46 am
"add life to water and other liquids"  :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on March 08, 2017, 02:01:04 am
Must... preserve... liquids...
(http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/jackdripper.jpg)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on March 08, 2017, 09:17:20 am
"add life to water and other liquids"  :palm:

I definitely prefer water without life in it, anything larger than bacteria tends to get stuck in the kettle filter and makes my tea taste funny.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on March 08, 2017, 07:10:22 pm
Quote
So their target market are people who have a fear of getting sick from chemtrails / radiation / frequencies etc, but walk around with an iPhone in their pocket???  :palm: Does that even exist?
Yes, but it's covered in tinfoil and has a little piece of orogonite so they are OK.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: skarecrow on April 21, 2017, 10:33:08 pm
Wooden capacitor (http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/index.html) anyone...?
(http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/wooden_cap_final_small.PNG)
No?  How about a Cotton resistor (http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/index.html)
(http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/P7309327_s.jpg)
Omg I was laughing my ass off by the time I finished reading the wooder cap page.  It is obviously a joke site, but I'm sure he still gets tons of people contacting him trying to buy stuff.

Sent from my XT1565 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: GeorgeOfTheJungle on April 23, 2017, 07:44:44 pm
Nanotech enabled silicon carbide solid state energy, oh yeah man let's talk about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghQZ1Wtj9hc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghQZ1Wtj9hc)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on April 26, 2017, 04:50:31 pm
Wooden capacitor (http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/index.html) anyone...?
(http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/wooden_cap_final_small.PNG)
No?  How about a Cotton resistor (http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/index.html)
(http://studiozey.com/zeyresistor/P7309327_s.jpg)
Omg I was laughing my ass off by the time I finished reading the wooder cap page.  It is obviously a joke site, but I'm sure he still gets tons of people contacting him trying to buy stuff.

Sent from my XT1565 using Tapatalk

Provided it actually works as a capacitor, it might be interesting to use for historical reproductions or steampunk. IDK how good it would be but it should be fine at low voltage. Although it also depends on how expensive it is... :bullshit: is always expensive...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 04, 2017, 08:37:57 am
Found this while researching something for website development.

www.HowDoesHomeopathyWork.com (http://www.HowDoesHomeopathyWork.com)

Priceless!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: X on May 04, 2017, 09:06:19 am
Found this stuff 7-8 years ago:

Free energy module which produces oh so much power. Pity they don't show where the wires are really going...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huLhq190A_Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huLhq190A_Y)

And we also have this guy, who is still in love with some "time traveller" called "Steven Gibbs" and the "Hyper-Dimensional Resonator" even after all these years, and proves that he can travel through time by exposing watches and CRTs to an electromagnet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xha0dhMelE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xha0dhMelE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmFtjPa0xbw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmFtjPa0xbw)

More proof that he really knows the device well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8IiTF6BG_c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8IiTF6BG_c)

"I know what you're thinking punk. Your thinking does a bridge rectifier have six diodes or only four? Well to tell you the truth I've forgotten myself in all this excitement."

Don't travel too far back in time or you won't find any power outlets to plug the "HDR" and get back home.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: grumpydoc on May 04, 2017, 09:42:30 am
"I know what you're thinking punk. Your thinking does a bridge rectifier have six diodes or only four? Well to tell you the truth I've forgotten myself in all this excitement."
A three phase bridge rectifier has 6 diodes.............
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: X on May 04, 2017, 09:51:44 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a 3-phase rectifier doesn't look like a hexagon, nor are they used with single-phase supplies.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on May 04, 2017, 10:27:00 am
These are radionics "experts", annoyances such as the laws of physics or even common sense doesn't apply to them.

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: grumpydoc on May 04, 2017, 02:42:29 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a 3-phase rectifier doesn't look like a hexagon, nor are they used with single-phase supplies.
Indeed, I didn't say anything about whether I thought it was a three phase rectifier - I was just pointing out that not all bridge rectifiers have 4 diodes  >:D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on May 10, 2017, 03:17:05 pm
Looking for some HMS-2829 quad ring diodes lead me to this work of genius:

http://www.davideuler.com/DavidEuler.com/Shop.html#6 (http://www.davideuler.com/DavidEuler.com/Shop.html#6)

Yup, that's a gold plated ring with a couple of magnets and a diode soldered onto it.

Wonder if it's ROHS at least or if they're contaminating their suckers with lead?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: X on May 11, 2017, 04:26:19 am
He's got "Euler" in his name so he's alright. ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on May 11, 2017, 07:22:19 am
Looking for some HMS-2829 quad ring diodes lead me to this work of genius:

http://www.davideuler.com/DavidEuler.com/Shop.html#6 (http://www.davideuler.com/DavidEuler.com/Shop.html#6)

Yup, that's a gold plated ring with a couple of magnets and a diode soldered onto it.

Wonder if it's ROHS at least or if they're contaminating their suckers with lead?

The guy is almost honest!

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There are no claims made for the use of these devices

Clearly he makes junk for whacko's and knows it's junk.  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 11, 2017, 01:28:02 pm
Wow... I just realised I could make a fortune selling vaguely electrically inspired jewelry and claiming they protect you from something that doesn't exists but sounds cool...

For instance: diode-necklaces protecting you from <buzzword 1> <buzzword 2> <buzzword 3> <buzzword 4> <buzzword 5>

Buzzwords must be recognisable as "sciency" by the layman, and when googled must sound bad (words like "radiation", "nuclear", "avalanche breakdown", "quantum tunneling", "chemicals", "toxins" etc etc)

I can even guarantee my jewelry will be "toxin-free": for the simple reason that toxins are organic and metals....are exactly not that...

(and while I'm at it: Pet Peeve #34315498 - "Toxicants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicant)" vs "Toxins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxin)" - learn the difference for Pete's sake!)

It's a pity my moral compass still points north - there's a lot of money to be had by peddling  :bullshit: to people who don't know any better: conversely there's a lot of frustration to be had debunking it... the phrase "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind.

Just last week one of my friends was bragging about her new au-natural moisturiser - it was chemical free! Really? They sold you a perfect vacuum? Jeez, they're wasted selling moisturise... they should be out collecting Nobel Prizes like some people collect stamps... I gave up arguing after fifteen minutes of explaining that "anything you can see is a chemical*"... Me >>:horse:

* which is pretty much true as far as I can tell: excepting maybe the blackness of space (which I would argue is actually the absence of you seeing anything - rather than actually seeing something that is black: it's like asking you to "see darkness" - it doesn't really make sense since darkness is just the absence of light - and you don't actually see the light itself you're seeing the information (frequency) of the light which is a property of how it interacted with whatever emitted it (and whatever it bounced off recently) - you can get infinitely pedantic about such matters! (For instance, write your name on a page. Is that your name? No, it's just some writing media on some paper: are you seeing it? No, you're seeing a representation of what your eyes see and what your brain reinterprets it (repeatedly I might add) - lots of space here for the philosophical to discuss age-old arguments such as "do you see red the same as I see quesadillas?" and "if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to witness it, should I file my tax returns in quarterly or annually?")

So you've never actually "seen" my post... but that is just being REALLY REALLY pedantic ;)

Speaking of perfect vacuums (that is a vacuum lacking everything - even photons...) - I thought I'd introduce the concept of "biophotons (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/biophotons-human-body-emits-communicates-and-made-light)" to you!

Did you know the human body's mind's eye emits light?

Also - if you stay long enough (about 10 seconds) you'll be greeted with a popup on how "You’ll discover the most effective ways to prevent and beat cancer — from 131 of the world’s top experts — that you won’t hear about elsewhere."

You wont hear about it elsewhere because it's total  :bullshit: ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on May 11, 2017, 02:17:30 pm
Wow... I just realised I could make a fortune selling vaguely electrically inspired jewelry and claiming they protect you from something that doesn't exists but sounds cool...

For instance: diode-necklaces protecting you from <buzzword 1> <buzzword 2> <buzzword 3> <buzzword 4> <buzzword 5>

Buzzwords must be recognisable as "sciency" by the layman, and when googled must sound bad (words like "radiation", "nuclear", "avalanche breakdown", "quantum tunneling", "chemicals", "toxins" etc etc)

I can even guarantee my jewelry will be "toxin-free": for the simple reason that toxins are organic and metals....are exactly not that...

(and while I'm at it: Pet Peeve #34315498 - "Toxicants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicant)" vs "Toxins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxin)" - learn the difference for Pete's sake!)

It's a pity my moral compass still points north - there's a lot of money to be had by peddling  :bullshit: to people who don't know any better: conversely there's a lot of frustration to be had debunking it... the phrase "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind.

Just last week one of my friends was bragging about her new au-natural moisturiser - it was chemical free! Really? They sold you a perfect vacuum? Jeez, they're wasted selling moisturise... they should be out collecting Nobel Prizes like some people collect stamps... I gave up arguing after fifteen minutes of explaining that "anything you can see is a chemical*"... Me >>:horse:

* which is pretty much true as far as I can tell: excepting maybe the blackness of space (which I would argue is actually the absence of you seeing anything - rather than actually seeing something that is black: it's like asking you to "see darkness" - it doesn't really make sense since darkness is just the absence of light - and you don't actually see the light itself you're seeing the information (frequency) of the light which is a property of how it interacted with whatever emitted it (and whatever it bounced off recently) - you can get infinitely pedantic about such matters! (For instance, write your name on a page. Is that your name? No, it's just some writing media on some paper: are you seeing it? No, you're seeing a representation of what your eyes see and what your brain reinterprets it (repeatedly I might add) - lots of space here for the philosophical to discuss age-old arguments such as "do you see red the same as I see quesadillas?" and "if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to witness it, should I file my tax returns in quarterly or annually?")

So you've never actually "seen" my post... but that is just being REALLY REALLY pedantic ;)

Speaking of perfect vacuums (that is a vacuum lacking everything - even photons...) - I thought I'd introduce the concept of "biophotons (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/biophotons-human-body-emits-communicates-and-made-light)" to you!

Did you know the human body's mind's eye emits light?

Also - if you stay long enough (about 10 seconds) you'll be greeted with a popup on how "You’ll discover the most effective ways to prevent and beat cancer — from 131 of the world’s top experts — that you won’t hear about elsewhere."

You wont hear about it elsewhere because it's total  :bullshit: ;)

I've just added you to my list of people I'd gladly have a beer with... However I think I'd have to start on the beer about an hour before you arrived :D

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on May 11, 2017, 02:28:35 pm
Wow... I just realised I could make a fortune selling vaguely electrically inspired jewelry and claiming they protect you from something that doesn't exists but sounds cool...

For instance: diode-necklaces protecting you from <buzzword 1> <buzzword 2> <buzzword 3> <buzzword 4> <buzzword 5>

Buzzwords must be recognisable as "sciency" by the layman, and when googled must sound bad (words like "radiation", "nuclear", "avalanche breakdown", "quantum tunneling", "chemicals", "toxins" etc etc)

I can even guarantee my jewelry will be "toxin-free": for the simple reason that toxins are organic and metals....are exactly not that...

(and while I'm at it: Pet Peeve #34315498 - "Toxicants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicant)" vs "Toxins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxin)" - learn the difference for Pete's sake!)

It's a pity my moral compass still points north - there's a lot of money to be had by peddling  :bullshit: to people who don't know any better: conversely there's a lot of frustration to be had debunking it... the phrase "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind.

All of that. Introduce your friend to the dangers of DHMO??

Bloody moral compass, if I didn't have one I'd definitely be an awful lot richer (to the tune of ~£1.5 Million, ask me over a beer some time)

Oh well, life is what it is and for the most part it's fun.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: GeorgeOfTheJungle on May 11, 2017, 03:06:07 pm
-I'm not rich because of a single word
-Really? How so?
-I went to the bank and said: "Give me 10 million dollars"
-And?
-They said: "NO"
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on May 11, 2017, 03:29:17 pm
"anything you can see is a chemical*"
I would be fine with s/see/touch/g. Some visible light is not emitted from atoms: for instance, the light from the Crab Nebula is synchrotron radiation. The semantics of "chemical" also gets pretty fuzzy when talking about highly excited states and plasmas, which we see light from more regularly (neon signs). You can expand the rubric of chemistry to categorize those states, but then why not keep going and do the same for muons, antineutrinos, strange matter, glueballs...

I can even guarantee my jewelry will be "toxin-free": for the simple reason that toxins are organic and metals....are exactly not that...
The link you posted describes toxins as biomolecules, which is more specific than the current meaning of organic. Correcting the misbelief won't work, as many people have a firmly entrenched belief that natural means safe which is quite impervious to reason. Consider the "experts" on the news who tell you quite earnestly that dioxin is the most toxic material known to science....
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on May 11, 2017, 03:35:00 pm
-I'm not rich because of a single word
-Really? How so?
-I went to the bank and said: "Give me 10 million dollars"
-And?
-They said: "NO"

Something like that but mine involved a single word called copyright and a managing director who had some very unconventional ideas about what it meant and the law surrounding it.

I resigned my directorship and jumped ship because I didn't want any part of it (as well as a bunch of other grievances and broken promises).

As I said, much better told over a beer or two with all the gory details. 
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 12, 2017, 11:47:15 am
I would be fine with s/see/touch/g. Some visible light is not emitted from atoms: for instance, the light from the Crab Nebula is synchrotron radiation. The semantics of "chemical" also gets pretty fuzzy when talking about highly excited states and plasmas, which we see light from more regularly (neon signs). You can expand the rubric of chemistry to categorize those states, but then why not keep going and do the same for muons, antineutrinos, strange matter, glueballs...

Okay - that is awesome (regarding the Crab Nebula) - I had assumed it was mostly dust - apparently the syncrotron-radiation hypothesis is quite an old one (1953) as well - now that is cool - why does nobody brag about that when talking about astronomy?

Aye, the definition of a "chemical" really is pretty fuzzy - it ranges from "any discrete substance" to "discrete substance capable of reacting with another discrete substance" - by either of these definitions I'd include most plasmas as a "chemical" - since it is, at it's core, a highly ionised gas that is capable of reacting with other chemicals.

It'd probably be easier to say that "pretty much anything a normal person will be able to see is extremely likely to be a chemical" - but it just takes too long to say! I suppose you could also be sarky and say "anything you see is a chemical" (implying that they somehow see less than a non-layman by virtue of ignorance - which is quite a passive aggressive stance!)

On a technical level I'd generally try to avoid classifying something as a "chemical" or a "non-chemical" for the simple reason that it really doesn't describe anything useful.

Ultimately if you start trying to classify anything you always reach a level where reductionism takes over and you can easily get very pedantic about how things are classified and subclassified...

...and for that reason it's a true miracle that phylogenists aren't constantly fighting. Well, they are constantly arguing, but it rarely comes to physical blows.

The link you posted describes toxins as biomolecules, which is more specific than the current meaning of organic. Correcting the misbelief won't work, as many people have a firmly entrenched belief that natural means safe which is quite impervious to reason. Consider the "experts" on the news who tell you quite earnestly that dioxin is the most toxic material known to science....

Aye, I've tried correcting the belief many a time! It's one of the reasons its one of my pet peeves xD

Generally speaking, if somebody is worried about "the toxins" then I generally won't have a great deal to talk to them about anyway..... um... Wow.

That made me sound SO arrogant!

I'm don't sound that arrogant in real life! Honest!

Anyway, I was using organic to mean "anything containing carbon" a la organic chemistry - which is pretty much unanymous amongst toxins - HOWEVER there are some inorganic toxins too - like ammonia and nitrites/nitrates which are commonly produced by various soil organisms :p - so technically insisting that all toxins are organic is wrong: rather they are all produced by organisms (biomolecules) as you rightly pointed out :)

Some people go further in their definition of a toxin to include that all toxins must also be able to act as an antigen.

I'm not a fan of this definition mind you - as pretty much anything can be antigenic (though this isn't necessarily the case of course!) - meaning that to infer that pretty much every toxin is also antigenic seems superfluous.

WOAH I am way off topic!

The point is that my jewelry will be toxin free at the time of production by virtue of not being made with any biomaterials (all metal and inorganics)

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All of that. Introduce your friend to the dangers of DHMO??
- I might just do that :popcorn: >:D



Finally - I return us to our regularly scheduled thread... EMF Detector Apps (http://www.electricsense.com/10998/emf-detector-apps/)... even Apple banned one of them (http://www.electricsense.com/281/the-app-that-apple-blocked/) for containing too much  :bullshit: - and that's saying a lot given the amount of  |O on their appstore!

Im going to download one of these apps tonight and see if it can detect a 5W transmission right beside it or not xD Wanna take bets on how much malware I get free with it?

[EDIT] - just occurred to me you might maybe be able to use the magnetometer to get some measurement of strong EM - I'm doubtful though xD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: X on May 12, 2017, 12:48:28 pm
Around 10 years ago I came across Cool Chips (http://www.coolchips.com/technology/index.shtml) that claim to be even more efficient than phase-change cooling.

It feels like bullshit, but at the same time also seems like it could be legit. They're claiming 55% Carnot efficiency, which seems reasonable, but a discussion from 2003 (http://www.its.org/node/1358) talks about a 65% value. Someone there claimed they originally claimed 100%, so I looked into this and discovered that they said 80% in the first couple of years (https://web.archive.org/web/20000311024654/coolchips.com) of having the site up.
Quote from: archived page from 2000
The Borealis Thermal Management technology is a true thermionic solution for all thermal management problems.  It uses a revoutionary new thermionic technology to deliver up to 80% of the maximum (Carnot) theoretical efficiency for heat pumps. Conventional refrigerators operate at up to 50% efficiency and current thermoelectric systems (Peltier Effect) operate at 5-8% efficiency.
This appears to have dropped down over the years, and it seems they stuck with 55% for at least the last decade.

There are a few calculations and graphs scattered about, but I'm not familiar enough with refrigeration engineering that I can call it bullshit. Also, very little information about samples (other than the picture on the front page), and many of the presentations seem like marketing talk. Also, latest news on the site is November 2013, so either they're genuine and have given up, or they are snake-oil peddlers and ran out of other peoples' money.

A thread was actually made about this on the EEVBlog forum (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/cool-chips-thermoelectric-coolers/) in 2012, but there wasn't much discussion there.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on May 12, 2017, 04:13:04 pm
just occurred to me you might maybe be able to use the magnetometer to get some measurement of strong EM - I'm doubtful though xD
I don't know the specs of cell-phone magnetometers by heart, but it seems to me they would be most sensitive around DC, since the Earth's magnetic poles only flip once every two hundred thousand years or so (~ .1 picohertz). Most man made magnetic fields are of much higher frequency than that.
See this funny thread (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/measure-electrosmog-emitted-by-laptops-or-computers/) for more laughs.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 13, 2017, 09:12:17 pm
just occurred to me you might maybe be able to use the magnetometer to get some measurement of strong EM - I'm doubtful though xD
I don't know the specs of cell-phone magnetometers by heart, but it seems to me they would be most sensitive around DC, since the Earth's magnetic poles only flip once every two hundred thousand years or so (~ .1 picohertz). Most man made magnetic fields are of much higher frequency than that.
See this funny thread (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/measure-electrosmog-emitted-by-laptops-or-computers/) for more laughs.

::Reads linked thread::
Okay I think I vomited in my mouth a bit xD Oh deary-deary-dear! That was magical xD

I tried out five or six "EMF" (which is "Electro-Magnetic Field" rather than electromotive force) apps on my smartphone and was pleased with the results - by which I mean I figured out how each of them worked and it doesn't involve electromagnetic fields...

The test setup was simple: set the phone up, watch the screen, and then deliberately introduce EMF on different frequencies.
A DC bulb, an AC bulb, a VHF radio at 4W (distance of 1 meter), UHF radio at 4W (distance of 1 meter) done nothing except make the speakers on my computer make a "BOOP" noise.

It was the only proof of any EMF I had anywhere...

It would seem that the apps use a mixture of the various sensors in your phone to make a pseudo-random number.

-Barometer: higher pressure = higher readout (confirmed by putting my phone in a jar and increasing the pressure)
-Accelerator: moving the phone forward then back causes a "spike" in the readings
-Magnetometer: rotating it causes a decrease in the readings
-Microphone: some of the apps used sound to change the figure (constant sound = decrease EMF, silence = decrease reading: sudden sound = increment substantially, sudden quiet = decrements substantially)
-Random Number God: the number drifts over time

The funny thing is if you combine these, you could probably get a very accurate indication of where the user thinks EMF is in their house (it's whatever they waved their phone near ;))

The best part about these apps is the sheer number of reviews raving about how accurate the readings are... it's a classic reporting bias with a nice little bit of detection bias and some sampling bias layered on top! Which is a fancy way of saying "only people who believe in EMF poisoning bother downloading the app - normal people haven't heard of EMF - and people who actually know a little about EMF ignore it!"

The sad thing is that I'm not convinced that downloading and testing these apps wasn't a total waste of my time  :popcorn:



If I were nefarious  >:D I'd totally make a little wideband scanner so that EMF-junkies can spot sources of EMI... This idea popped into my head because I picked up a new Uniden UBC3500-XLT Scanner today, and I just discovered that it:
a) can be tuned to my computer monitors (which apparently emit EMI at some multiple of 134.450 MHz)
b) the demodulated audio ("buzz-uzz-uzz-uzz") changes depending what is being displayed on the monitor

The EMF "Ghost" Detectors are actually a pretty ingenious scam - and a good example of using the Divine Fallacy (I can't explain why there is EMF here, therefore it must be something supernatural) to garner money from people with poor critical thinking skills.

I wish I'd thought of it ;)

You know... I could probably make a black-box with a bunch of sensors (humidity, light, motion, pressure, temperature, maybe a rudimentary direction-finding antenna (mounted backwards for the lolz)) and market it as a ghost-finding unit... only I'd probably give it a touchscreen so you can log your trip, and more importantly, so it can double as a weather-clock/media center for non-ghosthunters......)

Hmm, maybe I should turn my moral compass off for a week or two, make a ton of cash, and then turn it back on... and admit that it's not a ghost detector, but actually an overly-enthusiastic low-end weather station



And finally, I leave you with......... the Harmony Chip (https://www.harmonyunited.com/start.html)

It combines crystal healing with EMF protection. Clears electro-smog, most chronic health problems, pacemakers? (how can you "heal" a pacemaker?), body hair (excess OR not enough - it knows what you want) and my favourite - and the reason I'm going to buy a hundred of them - it even cures "Anger"  :palm:

Only $180.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on May 14, 2017, 09:10:14 am
This wouldn't be a bad starting point and I can see it could have legitimate uses.

https://www.elektormagazine.com/news/elektor-tapir-sniffs-out-electro-smog (https://www.elektormagazine.com/news/elektor-tapir-sniffs-out-electro-smog)

The vast majority of the EMF pollution detectors out there I would suggest are as legitimate as a free 'personality test' from a certain business who use a convoluted and modified resistance meter.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: SeanB on May 14, 2017, 10:32:54 am
If I were nefarious  >:D I'd totally make a little wideband scanner so that EMF-junkies can spot sources of EMI... This idea popped into my head because I picked up a new Uniden UBC3500-XLT Scanner today, and I just discovered that it:
a) can be tuned to my computer monitors (which apparently emit EMI at some multiple of 134.450 MHz)
b) the demodulated audio ("buzz-uzz-uzz-uzz") changes depending what is being displayed on the monitor

That is the bus clock, which is also used to generate the VGA dot clock as well. multiplied up from a 66MHz crystal on the motherboard, and also used as the CPU clock as well. A lot will be synchronous with that clock, so it being radiated is no surprise.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 15, 2017, 09:13:24 am
If I were nefarious  >:D I'd totally make a little wideband scanner so that EMF-junkies can spot sources of EMI... This idea popped into my head because I picked up a new Uniden UBC3500-XLT Scanner today, and I just discovered that it:
a) can be tuned to my computer monitors (which apparently emit EMI at some multiple of 134.450 MHz)
b) the demodulated audio ("buzz-uzz-uzz-uzz") changes depending what is being displayed on the monitor

That is the bus clock, which is also used to generate the VGA dot clock as well. multiplied up from a 66MHz crystal on the motherboard, and also used as the CPU clock as well. A lot will be synchronous with that clock, so it being radiated is no surprise.

Ah, cool! I had made a provisional assumption that may have been the LCD Driver, so I guess I was pretty close! Aye, it's being radiated everywhere (and there are plenty of harmonics too)

If only I had a spectrum analyser ;) Pity I can't justify the expense! I have a £20 usb SDR that probably shares a few of the features (albeit far less quantifiable than an actual spectrum analyser!)



It's been a while since I've seen any actual electronic snake oil... all the examples I've came across lately have been healthcare related - rather than actual bogus electronics... and then, today, I hit the jackpot...

We had a vendor in to sell us welding equipment - namely a new pyrometer we had requested, and he of course decided to peddle his wares when he delivered it. Not unusual for this particular rep, whom we widely regard as a bit of a sleaze ball and always hits on our secretary even when she’s rolling her eyes so hard it’s giving the rest of us motion sickness…

Except, this time was different: this time, he brought a "friend"... he started off with the usual spiel about the newest welding plant, the fanciest flexy-headed MIG/TIG handpieces, and then went on to brag about about some new flux-core wire (dude, we're ISO 9001/29001 certified - we can't just use any welding wire you sell us - we use exactly what the manufacturer tells us to use and nothing else unless they say it's okay in triplicate! Jeez!)

While he's going on with his spiel, his "friend" was shuffling around in the background with a couple of custom-branded pelican cases... eventually the vendor introduces his "friend" as a "a close associate and work colleague" (aren't those the same thing?) who "specialises in NDT (non-destructive testing)"

He then hands me a fairly hefty ABS plastic handpiece with a BNC connector on the bottom, and a telescoping rod antenna mounted on a little hinge extending out the front and explains that it is a contactless defectometer (what the **** is a "defectometer")?

Now immediately I'm on-guard - no this cannot be what I think it is. He can't me that daft to try and sell us a dowsing rod to detect defects to an engineering company... nobody is that stupid - surely...

He pulls out a lump of steel and says I can check this with regular NDT methods - he has known defects marked on the back and he'll show me them from the front - well - of course I'm not buying it... and that's when this little voice at the back of my head says "let’s have some fun"  >:D

You see, we happen to have actual NDT Specialist contractors on-site just now - working on a pair of large and fairly expensive wellhead adapter assemblies, one of which has several very large and very obvious defects on the inner bore - clearly visible on the boroscope (camera-on-a-stick xD) but invisible to the outside.

Well, of course I badgered him to give us a "live" demonstration in front of the NDT professionals (who had already identified six defects on the inner bore, all located within a square foot area.). He was reluctant, and after criticising the three NDT pros, proceeded to point out every "section OK" symbol drawn on the piece.

After much frustrations, straw man arguments, dodging, weaving, and accusations of incompetence - he asked where we "so called experts" think the <explicative> defects are... and one of the NDT guys just pointed to the other well head adapter assembly in the bay next to us: the one they were currently working on was defect-free xD

It was magical.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on May 15, 2017, 11:09:02 am
Didn't look like this device did it?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/02/fake-bomb-detector-conman-jailed (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/02/fake-bomb-detector-conman-jailed)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 15, 2017, 12:40:07 pm
Didn't look like this device did it?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/02/fake-bomb-detector-conman-jailed (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/02/fake-bomb-detector-conman-jailed)

HA! I had forgotten about those bomb detectors xD I see Iraq (finally) banned their use, but Pakistan still use then...

The device they tried to sell us was very, very, suspiciously similar :O

It differed a little though - bulkier, and with a handguard - and the BNC led to a belt-mounted box that contained a set of D-cell batteries - and the handpiece had some weight to it so there *may* even have been some sort of electronics inside (though I'd wager not very much, if anything, given the lack of any controls on it apart from the "power on" switch!)

Maybe a variant of the fake bomb detectors? It was marked as a "MayCal-861" - though I can't find anything on that brand let alone the model number

It must be a quite elaborate scam - custom branded peli cases w/ cut foam, advert in a brochure, printed operating manual... was listed as £17500 in the brochure but he offered to give us a discount since he knew the vendor... I told him (politely) where he could put it.

I suspect it was manufactured by somebody by some group in China copying the orginal fake bomb detectors - though why somebody is trying to sell it in Scotland is a little beyond me... but then again, at the listed price you wouldn't need to sell many to make a living...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on May 15, 2017, 01:03:36 pm
Never underestimate the scammers, a regular one to turn up with the cal lab was palm oil engine cleaner, it's a 'suppressed technology' because governments, big oil, engine manufacturers, catalytic converter conglomerates etc. don't want it out there.

One guy even asked if we could rig a gas analyser to give different readings at the flick of a switch for him.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 16, 2017, 06:53:04 am
Never underestimate the scammers, a regular one to turn up with the cal lab was palm oil engine cleaner, it's a 'suppressed technology' because governments, big oil, engine manufacturers, catalytic converter conglomerates etc. don't want it out there.

One guy even asked if we could rig a gas analyser to give different readings at the flick of a switch for him.

Crikey - that's amazing! I hope you told him where to go :P

It turns out the dowsing guy also visited a couple of other plants nearby - and even passed by our sister location an hour or two later... where by coincidence I was visiting for a meeting* - the look on his face was priceless.

Also, a quick correction to my previous post: "(what the **** is a "defectometer")" - turns out some NDT brands market their ultrasonic testic equipment as defectometers - just not a common term for it xD

*we spent an hour in this meeting. Captain obvious chaired the meeting. We decided to do what we were doing.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on May 16, 2017, 07:06:52 am
Never underestimate the scammers, a regular one to turn up with the cal lab was palm oil engine cleaner, it's a 'suppressed technology' because governments, big oil, engine manufacturers, catalytic converter conglomerates etc. don't want it out there.

One guy even asked if we could rig a gas analyser to give different readings at the flick of a switch for him.

Crikey - that's amazing! I hope you told him where to go :P

It turns out the dowsing guy also visited a couple of other plants nearby - and even passed by our sister location an hour or two later... where by coincidence I was visiting for a meeting* - the look on his face was priceless.

Also, a quick correction to my previous post: "(what the **** is a "defectometer")" - turns out some NDT brands market their ultrasonic testic equipment as defectometers - just not a common term for it xD

*we spent an hour in this meeting. Captain obvious chaired the meeting. We decided to do what we were doing.

Absolutely, totally apart from the obvious ethical and moral concerns we ran a UKAS accredited calibration laboratory (sounds much grander than it was, it was a mostly paperwork exercise to ensure traceability) and if we'd become associated with him it could have caused us a lot of trouble.

Plus, he was a slimy shitbag.

Wasn't the only time we were asked to do that, I have been asked on several occasions to miscalibrate and fudge a cal certificate so that exhaust fitting places could sell more.

They quickly decided it was a bad idea when I suggested I could refuse to issue calibration certificates and that'd mean they had to shut down testing though I've no doubt that there are places that could easily 'fix' the emissions test to achieve a higher failure rate (it'd be picked up by VOSA eventually).
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 24, 2017, 07:32:23 am
Absolutely, totally apart from the obvious ethical and moral concerns we ran a UKAS accredited calibration laboratory (sounds much grander than it was, it was a mostly paperwork exercise to ensure traceability) and if we'd become associated with him it could have caused us a lot of trouble.

Plus, he was a slimy shitbag.

Wasn't the only time we were asked to do that, I have been asked on several occasions to miscalibrate and fudge a cal certificate so that exhaust fitting places could sell more.

They quickly decided it was a bad idea when I suggested I could refuse to issue calibration certificates and that'd mean they had to shut down testing though I've no doubt that there are places that could easily 'fix' the emissions test to achieve a higher failure rate (it'd be picked up by VOSA eventually).

...absolutely amazing! It does worry me that somebody out there caters to their sort though - if they ask enough times I'm sure somebody will say "yeah, sure, why not?" one day - and it only takes one!


Also - a quick follow up to our dowsing-for-welding-defects-guy: we just had a new rep in not ten minutes ago and informed us that "the old guy" was fired due to a conflict of interests -
 turns out somebody from Doosan-Babcock called the vendor to say that their [old] rep was working with somebody trying to sell them :bullshit: - we had a new rep in not ten minutes ago to deliver our (super-fancy, has to be said) flexi-TIG/MIG heads

I guess he and his scam-artiste friend were in cahoots - who'd have guessed it! Maybe trying to sell dowsing rods to an ISO 9001/2900 company  was a dumb idea though...  (for those that don't know, this means that EVERY part of EVERY process is traceable. Case and point, yesterday I oversaw an ultrasonic inspection of a seam weld - the inspector (and their certificates), the cal cert for the probe, the cal cert for the probe leads, the cal cert for the UT meter, the cert of conformity for the ultrasonic gel, the full log of the welding parameters, the welder, the welder's certs, the material certs for the weld material, the material certs for the steel being welded, the position of each weld, the procedure of each weld, the certs for the procedure for each weld, and finally my certs ALL needed to be sent away to the client - do you know how much paperwork that is? It's about 500 pages in all.

...and you want me to use a dowsing rod... good luck getting certification for that... "Procedure XXX048 - for duplex welding of plate thickness 5mm-15mm, 2.1kJ/mm MAX, UT and Dowsing Rod inspection required" - yeah - I'd LOVE to see the calibration certs for a dowsing rod. In fact, I'd pay to see that sh**!

I just can't get over how ridiculous this whole idea was! Just thinking about the intricacies of using any piece of test equipment in this sort of environment let alone something from somebody we don't know, let alone A DOWSING ROD - it absolutely boggles the mind!




Anyhoo - the threads been quiet for a little while! Nobody found any new snake oil? I NEED MY :bullshit: FIX!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kilrah on May 24, 2017, 09:01:26 am
Somebody should have played the "I'm very interested!" game, watched the demo and such all seriously... then handed him a 1000 page document with all the efficiency proof, certifications, traceability and documentation shebangs HE will have to go through at HIS expense before he can sell it to you - but you're still VERY interested! :-DD :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on May 24, 2017, 09:52:53 am
They quickly decided it was a bad idea when I suggested I could refuse to issue calibration certificates and that'd mean they had to shut down testing though I've no doubt that there are places that could easily 'fix' the emissions test to achieve a higher failure rate (it'd be picked up by VOSA eventually).

...absolutely amazing! It does worry me that somebody out there caters to their sort though - if they ask enough times I'm sure somebody will say "yeah, sure, why not?" one day - and it only takes one!
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Indeed, but it's obvious when a machine is faulty or out of cal so a bodged calibration should be simple to spot, if the relevant agency gets complaints they're over a testing station like the plague so it's *really* not worth doing if you value your business and it could cause the lab owners a world of pain too.

I stumbled across a few forged certificates when out visiting clients, even though they're traceable all the way through the system it seems some people will do anything for £50 cash, he had at least calibrated the equipment correctly and it was accurate when checked.

That employee had been suspected for a while of theft and taking backhanders to do 'cheap' jobs using the parts and equipment stolen from stores so it wasn't a surprise, what did shock me was the MD's attitude to the evidence.

He was willing to issue proper certificates for the balance of the calibration fee and let it go as the employee turned in a better than average number of maintenance contract renewals (for which he earned a 10% commission on sales price) and sales leads (10% profits commission if they bought).

One of the reasons I left the company.

Also - a quick follow up to our dowsing-for-welding-defects-guy: turns out somebody from Doosan-Babcock called the vendor to say that their rep was working with somebody trying to sell them :bullshit: - we had a new rep in not ten minutes ago to deliver our (super-fancy, has to be said) flexi-TIG/MIG heads - and told us that "the old guy" was fired for a conflict of interests.

Nice, if he was in the game he really should have known it was BS surely?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 24, 2017, 09:56:53 am
Somebody should have played the "I'm very interested!" game, watched the demo and such all seriously... then handed him a 1000 page document with all the efficiency proof, certifications, traceability and documentation shebangs HE will have to go through at HIS expense before he can sell it to you - but you're still VERY interested! :-DD :-DD

Dang! Wish I thought of that!

In case anybody is interested, I made a random snake-oil-product-generator script in python (a whole 5 minutes of work!)

It generates perfectly normal sounding things like "Non-Poisonous Crystal Necklaces" (good to have), "Asbestos-free RFI-cancelling Earphones" (also good to have) - but then again, it also generated "Radioactivity Supplement Pills" - which I just wouldn't want in my house...

NB -- you'll need python to run it - you'll also have to rename to remove the ".txt" extension since the forum won't let me post a .py file xD

If you don't have python and can't be bothered getting it, then you'll have to make do with a sample that I just generated and reading the source code ;)


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Virtual electrified textbooks
Organic electrified capacitors
All-natural microwavable hats
Healthy electrified necklace
LED absorbent lapel pins
Relaxing supplement guide to the internet
Magnetoelectric catalysing teddie-bears
Wireless Radio-wave hats
Non-Toxic interference cooker
Happy EMC-cancelling knobs
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 24, 2017, 10:01:09 am
Also - a quick follow up to our dowsing-for-welding-defects-guy: turns out somebody from Doosan-Babcock called the vendor to say that their rep was working with somebody trying to sell them :bullshit: - we had a new rep in not ten minutes ago to deliver our (super-fancy, has to be said) flexi-TIG/MIG heads - and told us that "the old guy" was fired for a conflict of interests.

Nice, if he was in the game he really should have known it was BS surely?
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YUCK I'm double-posting!

I'm sure he knew it was BS - after all, it was his "friend" he was letting tag along - they probably decided to split the profits from any sales on the dowsing rod or something.

The new rep is much better tbh - he doesn't make the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end. He must be new to the game xD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: skarecrow on May 25, 2017, 03:36:27 pm
If LEDs could make hair grow I'd be as hairy as an ape by now with all the LEDs on 24/7 in my house/car/job/etc.  Put a few of them in a bike helmet though and people will buy them all day long for $200 each!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131975279019

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Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: schmitt trigger on May 25, 2017, 05:21:47 pm
As the late Bob Pease once mentioned, the difference between a joke and a hoax is:

"...if you can't tell from the way it starts out, but by the time you get to the end, a good April Fool joke should give you enough clues so you can start to smile. But if you're merely puzzled, or skeptical, that could be a hoax. Conversely, if the guy tops off his story with "and send money," that's a clue that it may be turning into fraud."

So taking this thread a little cheek in tongue, does anyone remember Signetics Write Only Memory (WOM)?
They even published a datasheet. Not a hoax, but actually an excellent April Fool's joke:

https://www.google.com.mx/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwidv8y4xovUAhVQPVAKHdqfDgUQFgg-MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Frepeater-builder.com%2Fmolotora%2Fgontor%2F25120-bw.pdf&usg=AFQjCNH6cyxjqum9NvtkaCZvVpHRAXVs7w&cad=rja (https://www.google.com.mx/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwidv8y4xovUAhVQPVAKHdqfDgUQFgg-MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Frepeater-builder.com%2Fmolotora%2Fgontor%2F25120-bw.pdf&usg=AFQjCNH6cyxjqum9NvtkaCZvVpHRAXVs7w&cad=rja)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on May 25, 2017, 06:21:44 pm
As the late Bob Pease once mentioned, the difference between a joke and a hoax is:

"...if you can't tell from the way it starts out, but by the time you get to the end, a good April Fool joke should give you enough clues so you can start to smile. But if you're merely puzzled, or skeptical, that could be a hoax. Conversely, if the guy tops off his story with "and send money," that's a clue that it may be turning into fraud."

So taking this thread a little cheek in tongue, does anyone remember Signetics Write Only Memory (WOM)?
They even published a datasheet. Not a hoax, but actually an excellent April Fool's joke:

https://www.google.com.mx/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwidv8y4xovUAhVQPVAKHdqfDgUQFgg-MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Frepeater-builder.com%2Fmolotora%2Fgontor%2F25120-bw.pdf&usg=AFQjCNH6cyxjqum9NvtkaCZvVpHRAXVs7w&cad=rja (https://www.google.com.mx/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwidv8y4xovUAhVQPVAKHdqfDgUQFgg-MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Frepeater-builder.com%2Fmolotora%2Fgontor%2F25120-bw.pdf&usg=AFQjCNH6cyxjqum9NvtkaCZvVpHRAXVs7w&cad=rja)

There was also the Dark Emitting Diode, I think that one was a National product?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: jh15 on May 26, 2017, 03:36:11 am
Quite a coincidence, a couple months ago, I was tossing out old work papers and scanning interesting stuff into my phone. One was this very paper.

Years later working on avionics equipment, there was a device that that for some reason wrote to four memory areas. It only read from three, all it needed. I always remembered and joked about WOMs then.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: schmitt trigger on May 28, 2017, 12:27:08 am
"Magnetoelectric catalysing teddie-bears"

Are these UL-approved for small children? I would like to purchase a couple for my grand daughter's birthday.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Richard Crowley on May 29, 2017, 06:37:24 am
It is a "charge-accellerator" and it "recharges itself"!
But "it is NOT a perpetual-motion machine."  (So they say)

https://youtu.be/fI9aFUGtzU8
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on May 29, 2017, 09:49:38 am
But there's already a Q3!!! It must be even better!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4pzvkSkzo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4pzvkSkzo)

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on May 29, 2017, 09:51:44 am
I have to say, some of these "XYZ-Machines" and builds on youtube look pretty cool, even if they don't work the way their creators believe (or say they believe) that they work.

I'm always amused when I see a small motor attached to a big motor which is wired back to the small motor and claims it's a perpetual motion machine. It always seems to slow down though, pesky physics always ruins their fun!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: schmitt trigger on May 29, 2017, 06:58:54 pm
It is a "charge-accellerator" and it "recharges itself"!
But "it is NOT a perpetual-motion machine."  (So they say)

https://youtu.be/fI9aFUGtzU8

The only thing that this guy gets right, is mentioning that supercapacitors and batteries are different
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kilrah on May 29, 2017, 07:47:56 pm
That's an unprecedented level of misunderstanding, denying claims of free energy etc but then announcing things that could only be "possible" using such principles...
Good communication skills used for scamming purposes or stupidity... as usual we'll never know.

His thing looks great though, very nice to see.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: X on June 10, 2017, 12:35:49 pm
But there's already a Q3!!! It must be even better!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4pzvkSkzo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4pzvkSkzo)

McBryce.
"It kinda looked to me like this new configuration had begun taking on a persona of a 1950's sci-fi movie, with it's pale-green medical-looking toroid..."

So now there's adenoids, thyroids, rhomboids (on steroids), and toroids.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: gildasd on June 10, 2017, 12:44:20 pm
But there's already a Q3!!! It must be even better!

McBryce.
"It kinda looked to me like this new configuration had begun taking on a persona of a 1950's sci-fi movie, with it's pale-green medical-looking toroid..."

So now there's adenoids, thyroids, rhomboids (on steroids), and toroids.
The science behind these things is worthless, but as a kenematic/electronic art piece - wow!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: X on June 10, 2017, 01:29:45 pm
But there's already a Q3!!! It must be even better!

McBryce.
"It kinda looked to me like this new configuration had begun taking on a persona of a 1950's sci-fi movie, with it's pale-green medical-looking toroid..."

So now there's adenoids, thyroids, rhomboids (on steroids), and toroids.
The science behind these things is worthless, but as a kenematic/electronic art piece - wow!
I first thought it was a parody or an artwork thanks to the theremin music at the start.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on June 21, 2017, 01:24:52 pm
Hey, have stainless-steel soaps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel_soap) ever cropped up on this thread? I can't find any! Brings a new meaning to phrase "bar of soap", and if you carry the woo far enough, "ingots of soap" too.

Rational Wiki (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stainless_steel_soap) is much more informative on the matter, and includes a list of pros and cons ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on June 21, 2017, 01:35:29 pm
Hey, have stainless-steel soaps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel_soap) ever cropped up on this thread? I can't find any! Brings a new meaning to phrase "bar of soap", and if you carry the woo far enough, "ingots of soap" too.

Rational Wiki (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stainless_steel_soap) is much more informative on the matter, and includes a list of pros and cons ;)

As a student I once worked for a few weeks in a Fishmongers. Literally every surface of the shop was made of stainless steel and my hands were in contact with these surfaces the whole day. I wonder why they still stank of fish when I got home?

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on June 21, 2017, 06:12:31 pm
Hey, have stainless-steel soaps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel_soap) ever cropped up on this thread? I can't find any! Brings a new meaning to phrase "bar of soap", and if you carry the woo far enough, "ingots of soap" too.

Rational Wiki (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stainless_steel_soap) is much more informative on the matter, and includes a list of pros and cons ;)

As a student I once worked for a few weeks in a Fishmongers. Literally every surface of the shop was made of stainless steel and my hands were in contact with these surfaces the whole day. I wonder why they still stank of fish when I got home?

McBryce.

I just want to know how it's inventor noticed it was deodourising his hands... Was he assiduously cutting garlic and onions before rinsing it under water while rubbing steel and then sniffing it? Even if it was the result of legitimate research, it must have had a pretty odd premise!

In fact, a lot of snake oil origins seem rather vague... I mean "I researched it" is an obvious one... But your "who would have guessed it!" story about how an everyday item/ingredient cures all your ails?

So you believe that tomato juice rubbed on your feet cured your inherited disease?... I have SEVERAL questions!

I haven't came across as many electronic snake oils in a while though - though I did *hear* a few crackers a month or two back at the Glasgow Ham fest... Some hams have a really shakey idea of electronics and how EM radiation works: and one guy mentioned dowsing in what I sincerely hope was satire... On the flipside, some awesome ham bouncing microwaves off a crane to make contact with a repeater 100 miles in the opposite direction? That's just cool xD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: IanMacdonald on June 28, 2017, 12:59:53 pm
But there's already a Q3!!! It must be even better!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4pzvkSkzo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4pzvkSkzo)

McBryce.
"It kinda looked to me like this new configuration had begun taking on a persona of a 1950's sci-fi movie, with it's pale-green medical-looking toroid..."

So now there's adenoids, thyroids, rhomboids (on steroids), and toroids.

Is that a rectifier mounted on WOOD?   :-DD

I suppose if it only passes 0.01mA then it hardly matters.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: jh15 on July 02, 2017, 04:10:51 am
That is a special wood seasoned from an audiophool's top of the line speaker cabinet. Wife did not want the casket he asked to be buried in to go to waste.

Good vibrations....
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on July 04, 2017, 06:46:46 am
I discovered something interesting yesterday. While not technically snake-oil... one of the folks at my radio club is a flat-earther.  :palm:

It all came up because I mentioned that I was communicating via satellite repeater over the weekend (I also performed a moonbounce! It was AWESOME - how many of you folks have bounced a radio signal off the moon?) - and he promptly tells me that satellites don't exist becasue the earth is flat.

Poes law came into play, and I thought he was being satirical... boy was I wrong: the earth is flat, satellites are a conspiracy, stars are pinpoints of light on the hemispherical sky, the sun is a spotlight, and the moon is an illusion.

I doubt even a Koch, Mandelbrot, Julia, Barnsley or a Sierpinkski is capable of describing this fractal of wrongness. You are wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution - from a distance, your worldview is wrong: and if you zoom in on any details of that worldview, wrong; I'd like to say you're only as wrong as the sum of your wrong parts, but no - each part is as equally wrong as the whole.

I tried debating him but it quickly turned to an ad nauseum argument. It was terrible. He was wrong at every level. WRONG! WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG! |O

Even worse, he used to be in the merchant navy... you'd think he'd have realised that boats disappear over the horizon bottom-first (apparently if you get a better telescope or binoculars and zoom in, the bottom reappears) - or, I dunno, that your "map-based-on-a-spheroidal-earthTM" still works for navigation! Oh, but his answer to that one was amazing... the conspiracies done it: that map is exactly what the earth looks like from above. DUH! And the distortions in it caused by stretching the surface of a sphere into a plane? Nah, the map is 100% accurate.

It's well saying he wasnt a navigator in said merchant navy ;)

Sorry - rant over. I had to get that off my chest: it was so frustrating! I just had to share the madness with you! Come join me, we can all be mad together and have a party.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Zbig on July 04, 2017, 01:17:54 pm
Are you 100% certain he's not just a (flat)world-class troll? Perhaps there was some wager going on behind your back? Anyway, I always wondered, what the flat-earthers give as the reason for all this conspiracy? I mean, where's all the money for the New World Order/Illuminati/Reptilians/Aliens/Xenu in fooling people like that for no other apparent reason?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on July 04, 2017, 01:53:01 pm
Are you 100% certain he's not just a (flat)world-class troll? Perhaps there was some wager going on behind your back? Anyway, I always wondered, what the flat-earthers give as the reason for all this conspiracy? I mean, where's all the money for the New World Order/Illuminati/Reptilians/Aliens/Xenu in fooling people like that for no other apparent reason?


--START EDIT--
Im afraid it's rare for a coherent reason for a conspiracy - "Because, reasons" is the most common I hear. Either the Bourgeoise or the lizardmen want world domination, big pharma wants a profit, or the New World Order wants a crack at the world domination thing before the people from venus get here. In other words: "pick a comic book villian" - their motives are probably better defined than the illuminati.

Sometimes "the reason for the conspiracy is secret" will suffice!
--END EDIT--

Again, Poe's law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law) ;)

When I mentioned it to others it turned out he has brought it up before at club meetings and talks involving satellites, going so far as to argue with the guy we got in to give the talk.

He also has several other unconventional beliefs and is into paganism - hangs around with a few other druids when he's not with us. It's a genuine delusional pattern of thinking rather than actual malevolence; plus he's quite an elderly gent, so it's difficult to be too harsh on him - but at the same time, it is utterly infuriating when faced with such denialism of such basic facts; especially when you see it in an acquaintance!


And, in other news, actual snake-oil has been spotted: "oxygenated water" - it's better for your brain apparently! You just add a few drops of oxylift to your water bottle and... poof! Magic! (Though it works better if you buy the book as well!)

To wit: "A highly efficient synergistic blend of powerful nutritional supplements providing the body with oxygen, hydrogen, structured water, etheric respiration energies, major and trace minerals, enzymes, and amino acids."

"The drops should be placed in a cool liquid, such as pure juice or water. As you get acclimated to having an increase of necessary nutrients that may have been missing for a long time, slowly and gradually increase the daily serving to 8 drops taken 3 times per day, or a total of 24 drops per day. On average it is best not to exceed a total of 50 drops per day long-term unless under the care of a therapist skilled in the oxidative modalities. Avoid taking late in the evening since wakefulness may result."

So! If it's not working - just add more! Only £20 for a... is that a 20ml bottle? £1 for a ml of water? Wow, thats literally 500'000x the going rate! (£0.002 / 1L for tap water vs £1000/1L for oxylift)

What a load of... wait why is this now stocked in my local corner shop :S



Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TruthExposé on July 04, 2017, 06:39:49 pm
Snake oil? I have got of it a lot at home, and it was VERRRYYYY expensive for me to buy it. One name is Bedini and his chargers and RPX units that another Bedini associate is now selling to people under false advertisement. I have spent over $5000 just on Bedini snake oil, check out my channel on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrLvTcqHx2RufKPx3gWDA1Q (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrLvTcqHx2RufKPx3gWDA1Q), I will also be doing videos on other snake oil once done with Bedini!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on July 04, 2017, 08:29:37 pm
Snake oil? I have got of it a lot at home, and it was VERRRYYYY expensive for me to buy it. One name is Bedini and his chargers and RPX units that another Bedini associate is now selling to people under false advertisement. I have spent over $5000 just on Bedini snake oil, check out my channel on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrLvTcqHx2RufKPx3gWDA1Q (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrLvTcqHx2RufKPx3gWDA1Q), I will also be doing videos on other snake oil once done with Bedini!

It would be awesome if you destroyed the stuff afterwards (if you don't already), like overload/overvolt it, microwave it, exc...

EDIT: It's killing your batteries because it acually is a real desulfator. HOWEVER, it is a simple desulfator as apposed to a smart one. A smart one will only trigger if it detects the battery is not charging properly, while as this thing just has default desulfate mode, meaning it puts high voltage on the battery. There is nothing wrong with the device, it's just the people who made it are woo-woo idiots that don't understand things like how to use a desulfator, mainly that you NEVER connect a desulfator to a fully working battery, and thus suggest that you do so. :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TruthExposé on July 04, 2017, 09:39:57 pm
Well, you can't really destroy a charger by over voltage, a cap will blow open for example but that's all.  The chargers that I bought from idiots are for example $1500 in price, 80amps 12 and 24 volts. But Bedini's chargers kill batteries as shown in my channel on youtube.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: blueskull on July 05, 2017, 05:56:17 am
Well, you can't really destroy a charger by over voltage, a cap will blow open for example but that's all.  The chargers that I bought from idiots are for example $1500 in price, 80amps 12 and 24 volts. But Bedini's chargers kill batteries as shown in my channel on youtube.

Some REALLY high end chargers (like those EV fast chargers) use sync rectification, so there is a chance the higher battery voltage can make its way to primary side and blow up the entire converter.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on July 05, 2017, 04:12:37 pm
I was thinking more of putting mains on the output, I doubt those shitty things have protection. it's probably just some 555 desulfator circuit with some sort of op-amps for switching those LEDs. Unfortunately, the potting will probably contain the exploding parts so :(.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TruthExposé on July 05, 2017, 06:30:56 pm
I was thinking more of putting mains on the output, I doubt those shitty things have protection. it's probably just some 555 desulfator circuit with some sort of op-amps for switching those LEDs. Unfortunately, the potting will probably contain the exploding parts so :(.

I don't know what's in the potting, but as you will see in my other videos, the next is out on Friday, and once I get to 80amp 12/23 volt charger you will see the secret inside. I will spill all beans so that anyone interested can build his own charger based on that.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on July 14, 2017, 10:42:20 am
This is more of a vacuous claim than true snake oil - but I still found it funny.

Energy Class A+++ Wire (https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Electrical-Cables/METERS-BLACK-EXTENSION-STRIP-AUDIO-SPEAKER-MKSHOP/B01H1WL3V4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500028235&sr=8-2&keywords=50m+black+wire) - that means it has less than 13% loss! That's great news!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Fungus on July 14, 2017, 11:52:45 am
This is more of a vacuous claim than true snake oil - but I still found it funny.

Energy Class A+++ Wire (https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Electrical-Cables/METERS-BLACK-EXTENSION-STRIP-AUDIO-SPEAKER-MKSHOP/B01H1WL3V4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500028235&sr=8-2&keywords=50m+black+wire) - that means it has less than 13% loss! That's great news!

Apparently it can handle 12V!

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on July 14, 2017, 01:07:46 pm
It doesn't have arrows to tell you what direction the current flows best or which direction the copper was extruded. No self-respecting Audiophool is going to use that for his speakers. It's also probably too flexible, so it would droop and touch the floor between the Olive oil impregnated Teak stand-offs that are meant to keep it elevated.

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on July 14, 2017, 03:09:33 pm
This is more of a vacuous claim than true snake oil - but I still found it funny.

Energy Class A+++ Wire (https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Electrical-Cables/METERS-BLACK-EXTENSION-STRIP-AUDIO-SPEAKER-MKSHOP/B01H1WL3V4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500028235&sr=8-2&keywords=50m+black+wire) - that means it has less than 13% loss! That's great news!

Apparently it can handle 12V!


I kinda want to test the 12v/6A claim - I wouldn't normally want to put 6A through 0.5mm2 cable, but the seller said it'd be okay!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: grumpydoc on July 14, 2017, 10:14:46 pm
I kinda want to test the 12v/6A claim - I wouldn't normally want to put 6A through 0.5mm2 cable, but the seller said it'd be okay!
Mmmm......

Slightly optimistic - 0.5mm2 mains cord is rated for 3A - but probably OK for short runs at 12V DC.

The construction is stated as 25 x 0.16mm strands. If copper then that implies something around 34\$ \small m\Omega\$ per m, or just a shade under 0.2V drop per conductor per metre at 6A and a dissipation of 1.2W/m

Given that it is sold as speaker wire then 6A RMS into an 8 \$ \small \Omega\$ load is 288W and it really does look a bit light to run almost 300W of loudspeaker. You wouldn't want a 'speaker on the end of 50m of the stuff, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on July 14, 2017, 11:39:00 pm
Music power levels are not CW unless specified as such (sometimes it is called "RMS power", a misnomer). A "300W" loudspeaker doesn't actually receive 300W, but an irregular signal with peaks to 55 dBm.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: TheNewLab on July 22, 2017, 09:00:03 am
It seems the free energy snakes are most discussed. I noticed a few flat earth dis-believers. Shame!

Seriously, look up the phrase on Wiki. then look it up on the "anti-wiki" or non-wiki.. I site that millennials use to spoof anti- establish science and related.
My experience of flat-earthers was New Year's when I heard my friends nephew really did believe in the flat earth theory. I did my homework before the party  The flat earth org. started late-mid 20th century. maxed out at around 2500 members. after founder (left or quit) down to less than 1000. Further research. it was mostly a spoofing group.

Only at the party, my friend's 20 -something nephew really adamantly believes along with his wife-to-be...She is a hot blonde,yet her intense absolutism truly scares me. Just yesterday, I learned I US Congressman asked in a congressional hearing on science that there must have been intelligent life on Mars once...so prove that there was not.

Oy vay. quadruple head-slap
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: IanMacdonald on July 26, 2017, 10:04:58 am
If you've got five minutes to waste this one's good for a laugh anyway:  :popcorn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuACIcQENjU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuACIcQENjU)

Electrons forming boson pairs? Reasonably sure that's not possible because electrons don't have spin or handedness, or whatever you want to call it. Basically they are all the same.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on July 26, 2017, 03:02:45 pm
Electrons forming boson pairs? Reasonably sure that's not possible because electrons don't have spin or handedness, or whatever you want to call it. Basically they are all the same.
If you try to understand a lunatic you will only confuse yourself.
Electrons are fermions, not bosons. They always have 1/2 spin. The spin is what allows them to pair up in each atomic orbital, which is critical for chemistry as we know it. One electron will assume +1/2 spin, while the other will take -1/2 spin, which means they can have the same energy while obeying the Pauli exclusion rule.
Chirality or helicity is more technical and is relevant to the CPT invariance. The only particle without chirality is the Higgs boson.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on July 27, 2017, 12:18:04 am
LOL, maybe this person heard of cooper pairs from somewhere and went off on a wild tangent of nonsense. The only time electrons can form any sort of pair is at extremely low temperatures anyway.

I wonder how many of these nuts are actually this stupid (besides flat-Earthers, they are confirmed stupid), or know they are touting nonsense and conning people.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: X on July 28, 2017, 10:20:20 pm
Came across this beauty: (http://www.sumax.com/Sportster_Model_Wires.html)
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7mm Black Silicone with Synthetic Jacketing resists heat, oil, and abrasion. A combination Kevlar Helically Spiral Wound Core at 350 ohm per foot resistance delivers greater spark energy, while improving power, idle, and fuel efficiency.
That's higher than typical nichrome wire used in heating elements, so it must be more efficient.
Then again, a certain maximum power transfer theorem may have something to do with this.
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8mm Black Silicone and Synthetic Jacketing resist heat, oil and abrasion. 500 ohm per foot resistance delivering spark energy, while improving power, idle and fuel efficiency. A combination Kevlar Helically Spiral Wound Core conductor for greater strength and durability that suppresses Electro Magnetic (EMI) and Radio Frequency Interference (RFI).
Even more resistance, so much higher efficiency! And magic EMI/RFI suppression spiral, so no need for any pesky shielding or ferrite beads. Ride around those high-power TV/radio transmitter towers without Fox News interfering with your ignition timing!

Quote
All wires fire intermittantly no matter what coil or ignition you may have. That is why you see carbon on your plugs. ThunderVolts have a solid stream of fire power resulting in more horsepower and more mileage. Your bike will start and run better than ever before!
Quote
PACK SOME HEAT with our new 9MM Firepower spark plug wires. Black wires feature Silver 9MM Gun Boots. These are the hottest wires on the market today.
All wires fire intermittently no matter what coil or ignition you may have. That is why you see carbon on your plugs. Our 9MM Firepower wires provide a solid stream of fire power eliminating the carbon on your plugs. This results in more horsepower, more torque and better mileage. Your bike will start and run better than ever before! They are compatible with all Harley ignition systems. You have a choice of Custom Fit Sets for your Harley model or Universal Sets where you terminate to your desired length. All Taylor/Sumax wires are 100% made in U.S.A.
I thought it was the spark plug which was meant to "fire" and not the HT wires.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on August 03, 2017, 12:09:35 pm
It happened again - I was researching thermal cameras (indeed, I was considering getting a CAT S60 Flir Camera-phone) - and then I came across it...

The "BooBuddy (http://www.boobuddy.com/)" - no it's not a potty training device, though I suppose it is technically full of it...

It's the "NEW BooBuddy Interactive Trigger Bear" - well I certainly feel triggered ;)

-BooBuddy is an attractive, talking bear trigger object
-Detects EMF energy and responds with lights in the paws
-Detects motion, temperature and responds with a friendly voice
-Baseline readings start when you turn the unit on (first 30 seconds)
-Asks EVP (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Electronic_voice_phenomenon) questions on it's own when the environment is quiet
-All electronics are hidden completely in the bear out of view
-Built, specifically, for Ghost Hunting by GhostStop
-Almost 40 voice responses and questions!

ONLY $300! Comes with a FREE HARD CASE for your EMF Teddy Bear! (no, seriously. That's what they called it.)

I know this technically isn't traditional snake oil - but I thought it was so weird that I just had to share it xD


---EDIT---
Just to clarify, the trigger bear [sic] is a piece of ghost-hunting equipment. Um... at least it's a novel form factor?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kilrah on August 14, 2017, 06:32:42 pm
Just got something in my inbox about this... nail polish for audiophool connectors (http://www.crtech.ch/de/max-contact.html)  :-DD

Of course ethernet also needs that abilty to carry these "0,000 000 000 001 Volt" signals  :bullshit:

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-snake-oil-thread/?action=dlattach;attach=341708;image)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on August 14, 2017, 08:04:50 pm
Contact protectants are not a phool's errand. They are very widely used on electrical contacts, especially those that will be used outdoors or in harsh environments, or subject to repeated connection cycles. In many cases their use is required by equipment specifications.
The best known protectants are DeoxIT (http://store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.299/.f) brand.

Is it phoolish to apply protectants to Ethernet cables? I think it depends on whether they were correctly made to begin with (most connectors are treated in commercial assemblies) and how harsh the environment in which they are used is. For maintenance, a combination cleaner/protectant like DeoxIT D-series makes better sense.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kilrah on August 14, 2017, 09:10:04 pm
Contact protectants are not a phool's errand. They are very widely used on electrical contacts, especially those that will be used outdoors or in harsh environments, or subject to repeated connection cycles.
In the environment of a living room and probably one single mating cycle it is.

An Ethernet cable either works or doesn't, there's no middle ground.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on August 14, 2017, 09:27:48 pm
An Ethernet cable either works or doesn't, there's no middle ground.
Proof that you are wrong:
Plug a straight through cable between two computers. If Auto-MDIX is implemented and enabled, it will work. Otherwise, it won't.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Kilrah on August 15, 2017, 07:36:00 am
Are you really trying to misinterpret the intent of the post that much so you can feel you're right? Explain how the nail polish would help with that... yep it's completely unrelated.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on August 15, 2017, 08:04:25 am
An Ethernet cable either works or doesn't, there's no middle ground.
Proof that you are wrong:
Plug a straight through cable between two computers. If Auto-MDIX is implemented and enabled, it will work. Otherwise, it won't.

Oh please, you have to be joking?

The Ethernet cable works, that's a switch/port configuration issue, nothing to do with the ethernet cable having dirty connections or needing some magic snake oil contact preparation.

And, FWIW, I've not found a single PC with gigabit ethernet that doesn't do auto MDIX
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on August 15, 2017, 09:54:13 am
Indeed. We've got about 5 miles of ethernet cable in our DC and offices and thousands of terminations. I can't actually recall a single problem with any of those cables in the decade I've been working there apart from one time when someone cut through the inter-building pipe with a digger and no amount of contact snake oil will fix that. Rarely we get a dicky switch port and that's the actual switch, not the cable.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: vk6zgo on August 15, 2017, 12:30:56 pm
Came across this beauty: (http://www.sumax.com/Sportster_Model_Wires.html)
Quote
7mm Black Silicone with Synthetic Jacketing resists heat, oil, and abrasion. A combination Kevlar Helically Spiral Wound Core at 350 ohm per foot resistance delivers greater spark energy, while improving power, idle, and fuel efficiency.
That's higher than typical nichrome wire used in heating elements, so it must be more efficient.
Then again, a certain maximum power transfer theorem may have something to do with this.
Quote
8mm Black Silicone and Synthetic Jacketing resist heat, oil and abrasion. 500 ohm per foot resistance delivering spark energy, while improving power, idle and fuel efficiency. A combination Kevlar Helically Spiral Wound Core conductor for greater strength and durability that suppresses Electro Magnetic (EMI) and Radio Frequency Interference (RFI).
Even more resistance, so much higher efficiency! And magic EMI/RFI suppression spiral, so no need for any pesky shielding or ferrite beads. Ride around those high-power TV/radio transmitter towers without Fox News interfering with your ignition timing!

Quote
All wires fire intermittantly no matter what coil or ignition you may have. That is why you see carbon on your plugs. ThunderVolts have a solid stream of fire power resulting in more horsepower and more mileage. Your bike will start and run better than ever before!
Quote
PACK SOME HEAT with our new 9MM Firepower spark plug wires. Black wires feature Silver 9MM Gun Boots. These are the hottest wires on the market today.
All wires fire intermittently no matter what coil or ignition you may have. That is why you see carbon on your plugs. Our 9MM Firepower wires provide a solid stream of fire power eliminating the carbon on your plugs. This results in more horsepower, more torque and better mileage. Your bike will start and run better than ever before! They are compatible with all Harley ignition systems. You have a choice of Custom Fit Sets for your Harley model or Universal Sets where you terminate to your desired length. All Taylor/Sumax wires are 100% made in U.S.A.
I thought it was the spark plug which was meant to "fire" and not the HT wires.


From memory, normal suppressor type spark plug leads were in the region of 10 to 15kOhms, so "350 Ohms/foot" sounds insignificant in comparison.
The ones manufacturers fitted were made of some woven carbon crud.
(It looked like they used string then burnt it.)

The horrible stuff would fail if over flexed, or even " if you breathed on it".
Faulty leads ranged from 50k to 500k.

The fault process seemed to involve small sections of the cable going open circuit, so there were a series of "mini sparks" along the lead, which seemed to "semi-repair" the opens, at least as far as testing at the low voltages produced on a multimeter Ohms range was concerned.

The very high resistance leads did cause misfiring, & a symptom of this fault was burning of the spark plug
connection where the lead plugged onto it.


One place sold "inductive" leads.
From,what I could determine,they were still made of "burnt string", but the individual strands were sheathed in some kind of brittle plastic.
The whole lot was then wound into a helix.

I tried them,but they didn't seem much better.

Please excuse any grammatical errors, but I am still experiencing the delights of editing on an iPad!


Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on August 15, 2017, 01:19:07 pm
Spark plug cables (in cars at least) are by design meant to have a resistance in the wire, usually between 1K and 9K and many also have a fixed inductor in the connector too depending on the type of ignition system.

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on August 15, 2017, 02:21:45 pm
Came across this beauty: (http://www.sumax.com/Sportster_Model_Wires.html)
Quote
7mm Black Silicone with Synthetic Jacketing resists heat, oil, and abrasion. A combination Kevlar Helically Spiral Wound Core at 350 ohm per foot resistance delivers greater spark energy, while improving power, idle, and fuel efficiency.
That's higher than typical nichrome wire used in heating elements, so it must be more efficient.
Then again, a certain maximum power transfer theorem may have something to do with this.
Quote
8mm Black Silicone and Synthetic Jacketing resist heat, oil and abrasion. 500 ohm per foot resistance delivering spark energy, while improving power, idle and fuel efficiency. A combination Kevlar Helically Spiral Wound Core conductor for greater strength and durability that suppresses Electro Magnetic (EMI) and Radio Frequency Interference (RFI).
Even more resistance, so much higher efficiency! And magic EMI/RFI suppression spiral, so no need for any pesky shielding or ferrite beads. Ride around those high-power TV/radio transmitter towers without Fox News interfering with your ignition timing!

Quote
All wires fire intermittantly no matter what coil or ignition you may have. That is why you see carbon on your plugs. ThunderVolts have a solid stream of fire power resulting in more horsepower and more mileage. Your bike will start and run better than ever before!
Quote
PACK SOME HEAT with our new 9MM Firepower spark plug wires. Black wires feature Silver 9MM Gun Boots. These are the hottest wires on the market today.
All wires fire intermittently no matter what coil or ignition you may have. That is why you see carbon on your plugs. Our 9MM Firepower wires provide a solid stream of fire power eliminating the carbon on your plugs. This results in more horsepower, more torque and better mileage. Your bike will start and run better than ever before! They are compatible with all Harley ignition systems. You have a choice of Custom Fit Sets for your Harley model or Universal Sets where you terminate to your desired length. All Taylor/Sumax wires are 100% made in U.S.A.
I thought it was the spark plug which was meant to "fire" and not the HT wires.


From memory, normal suppressor type spark plug leads were in the region of 10 to 15kOhms, so "350 Ohms/foot" sounds insignificant in comparison.
The ones manufacturers fitted were made of some woven carbon crud.
(It looked like they used string then burnt it.)

The horrible stuff would fail if over flexed, or even " if you breathed on it".
Faulty leads ranged from 50k to 500k.

The fault process seemed to involve small sections of the cable going open circuit, so there were a series of "mini sparks" along the lead, which seemed to "semi-repair" the opens, at least as far as testing at the low voltages produced on a multimeter Ohms range was concerned.

The very high resistance leads did cause misfiring, & a symptom of this fault was burning of the spark plug
connection where the lead plugged onto it.


One place sold "inductive" leads.
From,what I could determine,they were still made of "burnt string", but the individual strands were sheathed in some kind of brittle plastic.
The whole lot was then wound into a helix.

I tried them,but they didn't seem much better.

Please excuse any grammatical errors, but I am still experiencing the delights of editing on an iPad!

LOL, the carbon stuff is not the main conductor! The conductor is a steel or copper-nickel wire and is on one of the middle layers. Some apparently do use carbonized fiberglass as a "secondary conductor", but I assume that is only if the main wire breaks, which is why the faulty leads read very high resistance.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: vk6zgo on August 15, 2017, 11:03:42 pm
LOL, yourself!

I've pulled more of the old type suppressor leads apart than you have  had hot breakfasts, & they are exactly as I described.
The whole idea of suppressor leads is to add some loss at RF.
15k is a common figure, which has virtually no effect on the spark.
When it increases to around 50k, it is on the way out, & 500k is "throwout territory".

Before suppressor leads, people used an inline suppressor, which connected in series with the lead from the coil to the distributor centre connection.
It was--- you guessed it ! 15k Ohm.

Anything with metal conductors isn't a resistive suppressor.
Inductive, maybe  if it is in a helix form, but straight metal conductors do not suppress anything.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on August 16, 2017, 02:57:10 am
LOL, yourself!

I've pulled more of the old type suppressor leads apart than you have  had hot breakfasts, & they are exactly as I described.
The whole idea of suppressor leads is to add some loss at RF.
15k is a common figure, which has virtually no effect on the spark.
When it increases to around 50k, it is on the way out, & 500k is "throwout territory".

Before suppressor leads, people used an inline suppressor, which connected in series with the lead from the coil to the distributor centre connection.
It was--- you guessed it ! 15k Ohm.

Anything with metal conductors isn't a resistive suppressor.
Inductive, maybe  if it is in a helix form, but straight metal conductors do not suppress anything.

Straight? I never said anything about the conductors being straight, they are coils, but they are certainly metal resistance wire, not carbon. I also meant to say they fail at highER resistance, not that they gain resistance only when failed. I don't know if the ones you saw actually had only carbon conductors, but they were either really old or super cheap crap. This is what a simple one should be like inside. The expensive ones actually do have kevlar and stuff inside.

(http://pertronix.com/prod/ig/flame/wires/img/wire_diagram.png) 

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on August 16, 2017, 07:55:28 am
I don't know if the ones you saw actually had only carbon conductors, but they were either really old or super cheap crap.

NGK, Denso and Bosch all currently manufacture spark cables that use a carbon/fibre glass core as the primary conductor.

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on August 16, 2017, 08:45:00 am
Ignition leads made of carburised cotton were on sale in the late 70's supposed to give better suppression of spark noise, never sure if it worked though as all the engines I came across also had suppresed plug connectors as well. I do know that it did not work very well with magnetos, they produced a much better spark with a metal cored wire.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on August 16, 2017, 11:14:00 am
AFAIK the OEM ignition leads, where fitted as they're becoming rare these days with coil on plug technologies, used a semiconducting plastic/latex over a core of carbon fibre to carry the ignition pulse, that resistance is essential for some engine management systems too, some can measure quality of ignition and get very confused if you use a low resistance cable (which is a really bad idea for EMI reasons too)

All these 'high energy' 'solid core' 'race technology' are just so much smoke and mirrors marketing designed to fool carphools into 'fixing' a problem that doesn't exist in the vast majority of cases.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: StillTrying on August 19, 2017, 07:05:22 pm
Transferring 1mW at 10% efficiency means they'll soon be able to charge electric cars - while they're moving.

http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/ (http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Fungus on August 21, 2017, 01:26:35 pm
Contact protectants are not a phool's errand. They are very widely used on electrical contacts, especially those that will be used outdoors or in harsh environments, or subject to repeated connection cycles.
In the environment of a living room and probably one single mating cycle it is.

An Ethernet cable either works or doesn't, there's no middle ground.

It certainly won't give you warmer bass, more air, or make your music "more danceable".

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: skarecrow on August 21, 2017, 08:21:49 pm
Contact protectants are not a phool's errand. They are very widely used on electrical contacts, especially those that will be used outdoors or in harsh environments, or subject to repeated connection cycles.
In the environment of a living room and probably one single mating cycle it is.

An Ethernet cable either works or doesn't, there's no middle ground.

It certainly won't give you warmer bass, more air, or make your music "more danceable".
Damn! That was actually my last hope. My doctor keeps telling me I'm too white to dance. :-D

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Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: G7PSK on August 22, 2017, 08:38:05 pm
Transferring 1mW at 10% efficiency means they'll soon be able to charge electric cars - while they're moving.

http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/ (http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/)
Enough RF power to charge a car will probably fry any pedestrians.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: skarecrow on August 23, 2017, 02:22:56 am
Transferring 1mW at 10% efficiency means they'll soon be able to charge electric cars - while they're moving.

http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/ (http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/)
Enough RF power to charge a car will probably fry any pedestrians.
At least it'll keep them from wandering out into traffic. :-D

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Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cubdriver on August 23, 2017, 05:27:03 pm
Transferring 1mW at 10% efficiency means they'll soon be able to charge electric cars - while they're moving.

http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/ (http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/)
Enough RF power to charge a car will probably fry any pedestrians.
At least it'll keep them from wandering out into traffic. :-D

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Good way to reduce jaywalking...

-Pat
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: skarecrow on August 23, 2017, 05:29:42 pm
Transferring 1mW at 10% efficiency means they'll soon be able to charge electric cars - while they're moving.

http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/ (http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/)
Enough RF power to charge a car will probably fry any pedestrians.
At least it'll keep them from wandering out into traffic. :-D

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Good way to reduce jaywalking...

-Pat
I'd honestly feel much worse for any pets that got fried than people who SHOULD know better.

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Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cubdriver on August 23, 2017, 06:17:16 pm
Good way to reduce jaywalking...

-Pat
I'd honestly feel much worse for any pets that got fried than people who SHOULD know better.

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A very good point that hadn't occurred to me.  It could be bad for innocent critters.  And I have to laugh at 'should know better', given the research some places have been doing (I believe I saw it somewhere on this site) with regard to putting in illuminated curbs that light red and green at crossing points to protect the morons who're so engrossed in their phones and oblivious to the world around them that they walk straight into traffic.  THAT'S something that people should know better than to do, yet many fail to grasp it. Imagine how they'd ignore invisible energy fields!

-Pat
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Richard Crowley on August 23, 2017, 08:47:27 pm
... putting in illuminated curbs that light red and green at crossing points to protect the morons who're so engrossed in their phones and oblivious to the world around them that they walk straight into traffic.
Maybe it would be more effective to play the Wilhelm Scream as a warning of what could happen if the blindly step out into traffic.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_scream
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cubdriver on August 23, 2017, 11:05:07 pm
... putting in illuminated curbs that light red and green at crossing points to protect the morons who're so engrossed in their phones and oblivious to the world around them that they walk straight into traffic.
Maybe it would be more effective to play the Wilhelm Scream as a warning of what could happen if the blindly step out into traffic.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_scream

I actually think we should do nothing and just let Darwin accomplish his work.  And perhaps record a few alternatives to the Wilhelm Scream in the process.   >:D

-Pat
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on August 25, 2017, 01:22:12 pm
Transferring 1mW at 10% efficiency means they'll soon be able to charge electric cars - while they're moving.

http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/ (http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/)
:palm: :-DD look at those pitiful fools and their stupid, puny magnetic coils. Nikola Tesla could do better in the 19th century! Don't they know microwave beams are the way to go? >:D *loud sizzling and smoke emits from pedestrian*
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: LordNobady on August 25, 2017, 02:00:32 pm
As a cyclist this worry's me. I have to go shopping for shielding underwear for this. For a E bike it is good, no need for battery's the power that leaks form the cars is enoch for a bike.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: BSD on August 29, 2017, 06:02:10 pm
Here is another apparatus from the Golder Ear set:

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/stein-music-harmonizer-system/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/stein-music-harmonizer-system/)

It's so good, not even the inventor could explain how it works. Nevertheless, the reviewer found it impressive.


Then there's the "Golden Ear Awards 2016" named so, without a squat of irony. I found that amusing in itself.

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/golden-ear-awards-2016-jonathan-valin/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/golden-ear-awards-2016-jonathan-valin/)

In here there is a $129998.00 turn table and tone arm. Phew, I'm glad it wasn't $130000.00, that would have been an outrageous ripoff.
To use the turntable you can invest in a $153000 pair of speakers and an $80000 amplifier.

All of this expense so you can play a crappy piece of plastic with 45min long mark pressed into it. How impressive is that.

It never ceases to amaze me how the "Audiophile" industry gets away with this BS and gives credence to the idea that if you tell a big enough lie, it's easier to sell it.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on September 19, 2017, 03:25:04 am
Those last sites are great. I can't tell whether it's satire or dead serious.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on September 19, 2017, 07:51:25 am
Those last sites are great. I can't tell whether it's satire or dead serious.

Poe's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law) strikes again!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on September 19, 2017, 08:20:33 am
My father in law is an "audiophile". His system cost about £25,000 just for the amp, speakers and bowls of rocks in the room. The stupid thing is he's saving up for a mystical CD player that uses quantum entangled gremlins or something to read the media. So at the moment he's using an iPod shuffle with it.   :-DD

Transferring 1mW at 10% efficiency means they'll soon be able to charge electric cars - while they're moving.

http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/ (http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/14/big-advance-wireless-charging-moving-electric-cars/)
:palm: :-DD look at those pitiful fools and their stupid, puny magnetic coils. Nikola Tesla could do better in the 19th century! Don't they know microwave beams are the way to go? >:D *loud sizzling and smoke emits from pedestrian*

This is a SOLVED problem. Why do people keep coming up with ways to do it?

(https://i.imgur.com/pr5pyxd.gif)

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Fungus on September 22, 2017, 09:34:20 am
Here is another apparatus from the Golder Ear set:

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/stein-music-harmonizer-system/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/stein-music-harmonizer-system/)

It's so good, not even the inventor could explain how it works. Nevertheless, the reviewer found it impressive.

I can explain how it works: It sits in the corner of the room and draws your attention to it. This subconsciously alters the sound to make the room feel bigger. The high price reassures you that it must be doing something.

Then there's the "Golden Ear Awards 2016" named so, without a squat of irony. I found that amusing in itself.

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/golden-ear-awards-2016-jonathan-valin/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/golden-ear-awards-2016-jonathan-valin/)

In here there is a $129998.00 turn table and tone arm. Phew, I'm glad it wasn't $130000.00, that would have been an outrageous ripoff.
To use the turntable you can invest in a $153000 pair of speakers and an $80000 amplifier.

I'm not going to say those systems are rubbish, far from it. I've been to a few HiFi shows and they're impressive.

But ... $130k? At that point you're well into the zone of "paying for the Artist". Picasso paintings go for millions of $$$ but there's no intrinsic value in them, they're just colored pigments on canvas.

On that basis I can sort of understand paying 130k for a 350-kilo (weight) limited-production turntable that looks like the engine out of a flying saucer. It's art. It turns every listening session into a ceremony. Watching it spin surely improves the sound you perceive. If you're a millionaire then... why not?

I really don't believe they sound any better than a $1k turntable in A-B testing though.

The real ripoffs are the magic stones to put on your speaker cables and the little plastic disks that you glue to your windows.

All of this expense so you can play a crappy piece of plastic with 45min long mark pressed into it. How impressive is that.

...piece of plastic that never had the full frequency response of the master tape in the first place and will slowly wear out over time as you play it.

Still, both those factors add up to "warmer" sound. That's a good thing, right?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on September 22, 2017, 10:14:31 am
I'll take my 1 bit @ 2.88 Mhz DSD recordings (SACD) over a piece of pressed plastic that wears out any day of the week. My SACD player (universal Bluray player) only cost me $700 back when Bluray was still fairly new and expensive. It blows my mind what ppl pay for turntables now!  :palm:

I played my DSD recording of the 1812 overture to a vinal loving mate a while back, and he nearly crapped himself when the cannons fired up and had to admit his vinal could never compete. This recording actually comes with a warning that speaker damage is possible if your gear is not up to scratch.  :-DD

https://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/190 (https://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/190)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on September 22, 2017, 10:22:00 am
What's with all this modern vinyl rubbish? If you're not listening to shellac records, then why bother with a turntable at all :D

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Z80 on September 22, 2017, 11:08:01 am
Human stupidity knows no bounds.  It's amazing how 'audiophiles' can spend huge sums to achieve a system with the best possible fidelity and then go and feed it a signal created by dragging a rock through a stamped plastic slot  :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: IanMacdonald on September 24, 2017, 03:52:00 pm
"But ... $130k? At that point you're well into the zone of "paying for the Artist". Picasso paintings go for millions of $ $ $ but there's no intrinsic value in them, they're just colored pigments on canvas."

Not a fan, but then Picasso must've put a fair bit of hard graft into them. So, credit where it's due. The ones that get me riled to see people paying $ $ $ for them are Mondrian and Pollock. Definitely qualify for the snake oil thread.

After all, Microsoft Office is only 1's and 0's, and I can do those. Just a small matter of getting them in the right order.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Fungus on September 24, 2017, 04:38:26 pm
Not a fan, but then Picasso must've put a fair bit of hard graft into them. So, credit where it's due.

So do the people who make those speakers+turntables.

R+D will be expensive and sales very limited.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on September 24, 2017, 08:27:55 pm
You can find people trying sell the impossible in almost every walk of life, I used to work with a certain person who is a real snake oil salesman and the worst part of it is that others above him seem to have bought into his concept, when oh when will people wake up and smell the coffee???  :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Buriedcode on September 24, 2017, 09:10:01 pm
You can find people trying sell the impossible in almost every walk of life, I used to work with a certain person who is a real snake oil salesman and the worst part of it is that others above him seem to have bought into his concept, when oh when will people wake up and smell the coffee???  :palm:

It is often the educated - or those who believe themselves to be - that fall for it.  Many Doctors, Engineers, and even scientists believe that, because of their success in their field that it extends to other areas.  It is prudent to occasionally double check belief's and decisions.  If you think you are too 'rational' or intelligent to fall prey to such ideas - you're just as susceptible as anyone else.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on September 24, 2017, 10:35:40 pm
You can find people trying sell the impossible in almost every walk of life, I used to work with a certain person who is a real snake oil salesman and the worst part of it is that others above him seem to have bought into his concept, when oh when will people wake up and smell the coffee???  :palm:

It is often the educated - or those who believe themselves to be - that fall for it.  Many Doctors, Engineers, and even scientists believe that, because of their success in their field that it extends to other areas.  It is prudent to occasionally double check belief's and decisions.  If you think you are too 'rational' or intelligent to fall prey to such ideas - you're just as susceptible as anyone else.
Oh I had him sussed out from the very first time I met the man. I'm always highly suspicious of anyone whose CV shows an inability to hold down a job for any appreciable time.   
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on September 25, 2017, 08:25:29 am
You can find people trying sell the impossible in almost every walk of life, I used to work with a certain person who is a real snake oil salesman and the worst part of it is that others above him seem to have bought into his concept, when oh when will people wake up and smell the coffee???  :palm:

It is often the educated - or those who believe themselves to be - that fall for it.  Many Doctors, Engineers, and even scientists believe that, because of their success in their field that it extends to other areas.  It is prudent to occasionally double check belief's and decisions.  If you think you are too 'rational' or intelligent to fall prey to such ideas - you're just as susceptible as anyone else.
Oh I had him sussed out from the very first time I met the man. I'm always highly suspicious of anyone whose CV shows an inability to hold down a job for any appreciable time.

I once lost a job to an 'engineer' who was an accomplished snakeoil salesman, he sold himself to the managing director as being everybody's favourite, the best most organised engineer in my field and managed to weasel his way into my position, causing the MD to 'demote' me.

It was obvious from talking to the 'engineer' that he had no idea about electronics, only a vague idea of how the gas analysis systems actually worked, he was a module swapper who had delusions of competence.

I resigned on the spot and wished the MD good luck with his technical wizard.

Four months later he was on the 'phone begging me to come back, of course I made it clear I wasn't interested, six months later the company went to the wall (for a number of reasons, not limited to the MD's inability to keep his mouth shut after a drink or two).
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Buriedcode on September 25, 2017, 05:47:02 pm
I believe I may have been misconstrued.  I was not suggesting that con-artists pose as engineers, or are engineers themselves, just that education and confidence in ones skills are no protection against silly beliefs. We all have them (of course I am included). I'll just quote myself

Quote
If you think you are too 'rational' or intelligent to fall prey to such ideas - you're just as susceptible as anyone else.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on September 28, 2017, 06:24:30 pm
I have a super evil idea...lets sell these audiophools an "ultra low distortion" electric guitar amplifier (aka an acoustic amp) and when they complain that it just goes "ding" we tell them it's exactly what they ordered. >:D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Lockon Stratos on October 07, 2017, 01:33:45 pm
I couldnt find any better place so i throw it in here:
https://electrek.co/2016/11/01/tesla-battery-degradation/

Somehow i cannot believe them... (Some nutjob throwing this aroung claiming how EV's are better and its getting on my nerve.)

Whats the communities opinion on this?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 09, 2017, 08:25:29 am
I couldn't find any better place so i throw it in here:

Somehow I cannot believe them... (Some nutjob throwing this around claiming how EV's are better and its getting on my nerve.)
Whats the communities opinion on this?

Not going to lie - I read that and thought you were saying somebody was going around claiming electron-volts (eV) are better than volts. Took me a good hour before it suddenly dawned on me (:palm:). It's just turned 0800 and I've been up for three hours, you'd think I'd be awake by now ;)

I'm afraid this isn't my field - but on a first-principles basis (and looking at the presented data), there seem to be some major flaws with this somewhat preordained conclusion that the packs can be used for another few hundred thousand miles.

- Sample size - 286 samples isn't that large; may not be representative.

- Sampling bias - the samples were self-selected; may not be an issue here, but always worth remembering.

- Survivorship bias - the samples shown (see charts [1] (https://electrek.co/2016/11/01/tesla-battery-degradation/tesla-battery-degradation-1/), [2] (https://electrek.co/2016/11/01/tesla-battery-degradation/tesla-battery-degradation-2/), [3] (https://electrek.co/2016/11/01/tesla-battery-degradation/tesla-battery-degradation-3/) and [4] (https://electrek.co/2016/11/01/tesla-battery-degradation/tesla-battery-degradation-4/) in article) - how many people are dropping out, how many people are replacing their electric car when the battery dies (rather than replacing the battery), etc etc. The graph only shows the "surviving" car owners so to speak.

- Data obfuscation (probably accidental) - there are numerous occasions where the same user has submitted multiple entries: this is not intrinsically bad, as it allows you to track and individual vehicle - provided it is dealt with correctly. In this dataset, I am unsure how the data is being treated - if it is being treated as individual data points instead of an individual sampling, then this can hide poor performance [5]. If it has been dealt with properly (which I think would entail using only the most recent entry from a given user), then I believe it's fine - if not then it may be hiding poor performance.[6]



There are a bunch of other problems that I can think of, but I won't go into detail for risk of this post becoming inordinately long(er); but suffice to say I am not convinced the observations support the article's conclusion that the batteries are on average capable of another 150'000 miles...

And it is for a much simpler line of reasoning: if they were capable of another 150'000 miles (on average)... people would be reporting that already... unless what you're trying to say is that people get to MAX-150'000 miles (on average) and then suddenly stop and say to themselves "Hey! Let's get a new battery/car!" (though I wouldn't put it past them) - the fact that on average people aren't getting an extra 150'000 miles out their cars suggests that there are confounding factors at play asides from the battery.

In fact, you can see this in charts [1-4] - you'll notice that there are fewer samples at the "high mileage" end of the chart... it's almost as if, on average, high-mileage electric cars don't fare as well!




[1-4] - see google docs file (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/t024bMoRiDPIDialGnuKPsg/edit#gid=0) for original data

[5] - As a comparison, imagine measuring the same resistor for tolerance multiple times and then claiming the entire batch of resistors is within tolerance.

[6] - As a quick demonstration: imagine two users - UserA has their car for 7 days, and then it dies. He logs the mileage the day it dies. UserB has their car for a year: he logs the mileage every day. Collating the data without filtering makes it look like UserB was in fact 365 different cars, each with n+1 days on the clock, when it was in fact just a single car. While the average is similar 186 vs 181 respectively), the conclusion is not - especially once we introduce more people - lets say UserC-UserZ: who in this example lose their cars after exactly 1 month and log exactly once. Clearly UserB was an outlier, but his excessive logging has swamped UserA and UserC-UserZ's data, driving the average higher than a single reading would have. (if UserB had made a single reading, the average would be 42-days until car-death with a standard deviation of 66: if UserB made a reading every day, the average life of a car would be ~172 days, with a standard deviation of 108, which clearly isn't the representing the life of most cars, as most cars in this sample fail at the 30 day mark; one could spend a while analysing the differences through statistical analysis - but, I'm afraid I can't be bothered... I also can't remember how to do statistical analysis properly anymore... ;)).

--EDIT-- some dummy couldn't count, I had to fix his calculations because they were borked ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Zenrei on October 13, 2017, 12:00:15 am
haha... i was reading the titles and all of a sudden...snake..oil.... whats this all about..... laughter ensues
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Richard Crowley on October 31, 2017, 12:37:53 pm
This made me laugh out loud.

GOLD PLATED OPTICAL CABLE

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61oyWAGm4uL._SL1000_.jpg)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on October 31, 2017, 01:10:21 pm
Heard it all now, fibre optic, gold plated  :-DD Its as bad all those muppets who paid fortunes for video and audio cables made by Monster Cables in the belief that paying 6 to 10 times the price of a normal cable would greatly improve their audible or video pleasure.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on October 31, 2017, 01:55:15 pm
This made me laugh out loud.

GOLD PLATED OPTICAL CABLE

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61oyWAGm4uL._SL1000_.jpg)
Gold plating is a decent way of preventing long term tarnishing. Even if it wouldn't hamper electrical contact, which should be the case with optical cables, it does increase the durability of the product.

I do see added value here.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on October 31, 2017, 01:57:06 pm
Heard it all now, fibre optic, gold plated  :-DD Its as bad all those muppets who paid fortunes for video and audio cables made by Monster Cables in the belief that paying 6 to 10 times the price of a normal cable would greatly improve their audible or video pleasure.
Who says it hasn't enhanced their pleasure?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on October 31, 2017, 02:48:01 pm
This made me laugh out loud.

GOLD PLATED OPTICAL CABLE

Gold plating is a decent way of preventing long term tarnishing. Even if it wouldn't hamper electrical contact, which should be the case with optical cables, it does increase the durability of the product.

I do see added value here.

If it wasn't for the fact that the mating socket is most likely plastic. So you've a durable (replacable) cable and it's ruining the plastic socket that's mounted inside your expensive amp?

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on October 31, 2017, 02:54:40 pm
If it wasn't for the fact that the mating socket is most likely plastic. So you've a durable (replacable) cable and it's ruining the plastic socket that's mounted inside your expensive amp?

McBryce.
You obviously need to buy an amplifier with gold plated sockets too ;D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on October 31, 2017, 04:28:32 pm
If it wasn't for the fact that the mating socket is most likely plastic. So you've a durable (replacable) cable and it's ruining the plastic socket that's mounted inside your expensive amp?

McBryce.
You obviously need to buy an amplifier with gold plated sockets too ;D
No doubt that there would be many buyers of such an amplifier, even with no real advantage apart from pure bragging rights about having gold plated inputs etc, that maybe match their gold plated turntable etc  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: IanMacdonald on October 31, 2017, 06:26:24 pm
"It never ceases to amaze me how the "Audiophile" industry gets away with this BS and gives credence to the idea that if you tell a big enough lie, it's easier to sell it."

I'm sorry but you are simply denying the truth. This works. There is a 102.5% consensus among audio manufacturers that it does.

It is a done deal. there is no debate.

As for the naysayers, they are not audio manufacturers so they are not qualified to comment. Plus, they are probably in the pay of the evil Noise Abatement Society. So, ignore them.  :rant:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 31, 2017, 06:52:09 pm
I think I just got Poe'd... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on October 31, 2017, 07:10:25 pm
I think I just got Poe'd... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)
The 102.5% gives it away.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on October 31, 2017, 08:52:18 pm
I think I just got Poe'd... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)
The 102.5% gives it away.
I did wonder, but I couldn't be sure!



Urgh... I've just came across cryogenically frozen VIDEOphile grade cables while ebaying for a UV filter. Ooft! I hear they allow you to zoom in further into your digital images than you can normally - just like in the movies - which, by the way, will look awesome because the electrons will be aligned better...

Doesn't seem as big a market as the audiophile market does though - I didn't spend long looking though ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: KNSSoftware on October 31, 2017, 09:01:24 pm
In the UK we have a higher end department store that sells snake oil; parting the fat stupid women of their phat cash!

https://www.johnlewis.com/rodial-snake-booster-oil-30ml/p2691273 (https://www.johnlewis.com/rodial-snake-booster-oil-30ml/p2691273)

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on October 31, 2017, 09:31:32 pm
I have come to the conclusion I'm in the wrong business.

The thing that gets me is, would I be a bad person if I sold people tiny bottles of shit and shiny cables for a fortune?

Is taking money from idiots bad or a justifiable punishment?

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: coppice on October 31, 2017, 11:37:53 pm
In the UK we have a higher end department store that sells snake oil; parting the fat stupid women of their phat cash!

https://www.johnlewis.com/rodial-snake-booster-oil-30ml/p2691273 (https://www.johnlewis.com/rodial-snake-booster-oil-30ml/p2691273)
That is definitely a web page which needs to be cited more often.  :)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on November 01, 2017, 10:13:58 am
I have come to the conclusion I'm in the wrong business.

The thing that gets me is, would I be a bad person if I sold people tiny bottles of shit and shiny cables for a fortune?

Is taking money from idiots bad or a justifiable punishment?

I've long been of that opinion about my own career, there is a yuge resource of idiocy out there just waiting to be exploited, in fact they're often begging to be exploited and will hand over their money with a smile on their face, but even better, they'll then tell other gullible idiots how great the deal was and be completely sincere about it.

It is absolutely clear that in the majority of cases of audiophoolery that there isn't any downside (other than mild, easily ignored ridicule) to selling the BS because people *want* to be conned, they want to believe they are somehow special, golden ears listeners.

I'm thinking I may have to visit my local stone merchant and see if they'll sell me some of their waste stone offcuts.

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Z80 on November 02, 2017, 10:52:51 am
Snake oil exists wherever there is a market involving the general masses, everyone is at it.  Doesn't matter if it's audio / video or brightly coloured bottles of liquid to pour into your car, BS is everywhere.  Just read some of the outrageous claims made on your wife's beauty products, the cosmetics industry makes audiofools look like rank amateurs  ;D.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on November 02, 2017, 12:06:00 pm
Snake oil exists wherever there is a market involving the general masses, everyone is at it.  Doesn't matter if it's audio / video or brightly coloured bottles of liquid to pour into your car, BS is everywhere.  Just read some of the outrageous claims made on your wife's beauty products, the cosmetics industry makes audiofools look like rank amateurs  ;D.

I'd have to look at someone else's wife's cosmetics as I haven't and never have had one, frankly, looking at someone else's wife's cosmetics is a bit weird so I'll have to take your word for it.

The only real difference I suppose between cosmetics snake oil and audiophoolery is that we know enough about the technology to know it's BS, knowing enough about chemistry and biology to be able to debunk cosmetics is a more rare knowledge set...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on November 02, 2017, 12:19:40 pm
Snake oil exists wherever there is a market involving the general masses, everyone is at it.  Doesn't matter if it's audio / video or brightly coloured bottles of liquid to pour into your car, BS is everywhere.  Just read some of the outrageous claims made on your wife's beauty products, the cosmetics industry makes audiofools look like rank amateurs  ;D.

I'd have to look at someone else's wife's cosmetics as I haven't and never have had one, frankly, looking at someone else's wife's cosmetics is a bit weird so I'll have to take your word for it.

The only real difference I suppose between cosmetics snake oil and audiophoolery is that we know enough about the technology to know it's BS, knowing enough about chemistry and biology to be able to debunk cosmetics is a more rare knowledge set...

Now there's an interesting point... if anti-ageing creams actually worked*... would there still be a market for them?

*to be fair, some do actually hide wrinkles - usually by plastering a protein/carbohydrate/plastic (yes, plastic) over the skin that contracts as it dries, pulling the skin taut - at least until you wash your face. Still not worth £50 for a 30ml tub, though...
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 02, 2017, 12:42:17 pm
I actually bought a tube of solder paste a while ago and my wife was shocked at how much it cost (was about £25). Then I pointed to her makeup bag and there was enlightenment.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on November 02, 2017, 12:43:56 pm
Now there's an interesting point... if anti-ageing creams actually worked*... would there still be a market for them?

*to be fair, some do actually hide wrinkles - usually by plastering a protein/carbohydrate/plastic (yes, plastic) over the skin that contracts as it dries, pulling the skin taut - at least until you wash your face. Still not worth £50 for a 30ml tub, though...

And there's the other problem with marketing BS, there's a sweet spot somewhere for every product where selling price and perceived value match, if you're lucky that price point is high enough to make a business viable, if you're outlandishly lucky/skilled you can separate cost and price by a huge margin.

That's why so many cosmetics and other, generally low manufacture cost, BS products are in ever more luxurious packaging, if the product is perceived as being expensive then it has 'value', if you can convince someone to buy your expensive product then human nature makes them want to believe they've got value so they will defend their choices if confronted and thus the marketing wank begins to gain traction.

Once there's an established market for BS products then it becomes easier to make even more outlandish claims for efficacy of your own product.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on November 02, 2017, 01:10:05 pm
Snake oil exists wherever there is a market involving the general masses, everyone is at it.  Doesn't matter if it's audio / video or brightly coloured bottles of liquid to pour into your car, BS is everywhere.  Just read some of the outrageous claims made on your wife's beauty products, the cosmetics industry makes audiofools look like rank amateurs  ;D.

I'd have to look at someone else's wife's cosmetics as I haven't and never have had one, frankly, looking at someone else's wife's cosmetics is a bit weird so I'll have to take your word for it.

The only real difference I suppose between cosmetics snake oil and audiophoolery is that we know enough about the technology to know it's BS, knowing enough about chemistry and biology to be able to debunk cosmetics is a more rare knowledge set...

Here's a simple guide to the biggest bullshit cosmetics (I learned this from TV and common knowledge, so not an expert)

-essenial oils, :bullshit:, they can say that about anything
-detoxifying, total utter :bullshit:, it's not possible to remove chemicals out through skin (skin is one way)
-random organic bits (X extract, essence of X, exc), these are more tricky, this is where you need to know organic chemistry to know if they will actually effect the skin, but alot of it is just for smell anyway
 
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on November 02, 2017, 03:21:52 pm

Here's a simple guide to the biggest bullshit cosmetics (I learned this from TV and common knowledge, so not an expert)

-essenial oils, :bullshit:, they can say that about anything
-detoxifying, total utter :bullshit:, it's not possible to remove chemicals out through skin (skin is one way)
-random organic bits (X extract, essence of X, exc), these are more tricky, this is where you need to know organic chemistry to know if they will actually effect the skin, but alot of it is just for smell anyway

There are lots, they use all sorts of fancy, exotic and or scientific names for common as dirt ingredients, handy guide to some of them here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Nomenclature_of_Cosmetic_Ingredients
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 02, 2017, 06:28:55 pm
I’ve worked out my scam idea now.

I’m going to scam the scammers by setting up the best independent cable conditioning service in the business. You mail your cables to me and I’ll freeze them, burn them in and then run them through an audio VNA of my own dubious creation which will determine the best direction of the electron flow, label them up and provide a report as good as a your average Chinese AD584 paper report. I will charge $100 per cable plus shipping.

What will actually happen: fuck all other than unpack it and stick it in a nicer box and stick a piece of paper in with a plausible looking bode plot plus  some random noise from excel’s RNG in it.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: daqq on November 02, 2017, 06:35:02 pm
I’ve worked out my scam idea now.

I’m going to scam the scammers by setting up the best independent cable conditioning service in the business. You mail your cables to me and I’ll freeze them, burn them in and then run them through an audio VNA of my own dubious creation which will determine the best direction of the electron flow, label them up and provide a report as good as a your average Chinese AD584 paper report. I will charge $100 per cable plus shipping.

What will actually happen: fuck all other than unpack it and stick it in a nicer box and stick a piece of paper in with a plausible looking bode plot plus  some random noise from excel’s RNG in it.
For bonus points you can put all the extra electrons that fell out of the cables during the burn in in a little sealed bag, you know, if they ever need replacement parts.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 02, 2017, 06:49:51 pm
Hahaha  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on November 02, 2017, 07:16:12 pm
You also forgot to tie the cable ends in a knot to prevent any further electrons falling out.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on November 02, 2017, 08:06:24 pm
Ah no, you need to place it into a box that's previously been used to house electrons from the highest spec cable you can find on the net, that way they can diffuse into the cheaper cable.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on November 02, 2017, 08:12:31 pm
I wonder how many people would actually take that service up??
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on November 02, 2017, 08:21:03 pm
When you open the box, it must play the Doctor Who theme, that way they know it's alien technology.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on November 02, 2017, 08:29:29 pm
When you open the box, it must play the Doctor Who theme, that way they know it's alien technology.
No, that would add too much cost into the equation.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: StillTrying on November 02, 2017, 08:51:27 pm
I’m going to scam the scammers by setting up the best independent cable conditioning service in the business. You mail your cables to me and I’ll freeze them, burn them in

How much do you charge for burning in and giving direction to fiber optic cables.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cubdriver on November 02, 2017, 09:20:51 pm
I’m going to scam the scammers by setting up the best independent cable conditioning service in the business. You mail your cables to me and I’ll freeze them, burn them in

How much do you charge for burning in and giving direction to fiber optic cables.

How much ya got?   ;D

-Pat
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 02, 2017, 09:22:28 pm
Let me do the math. So we take the price of a Tesla model X, add income tax and accounting fees, operating costs, massage service and divide by 1000 and we set the minimum batch size of 1000 and there you go!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 02, 2017, 10:32:35 pm
Here's a simple guide to the biggest bullshit cosmetics (I learned this from TV and common knowledge, so not an expert)

-essenial oils, :bullshit:, they can say that about anything
-detoxifying, total utter :bullshit:, it's not possible to remove chemicals out through skin (skin is one way)
-random organic bits (X extract, essence of X, exc), these are more tricky, this is where you need to know organic chemistry to know if they will actually effect the skin, but alot of it is just for smell anyway
Not that I disagree with your story in general, but how do you suppose skin is one way? It adsorbs certain substances quite readily, while also expelling various other substances like oils and water.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on November 02, 2017, 11:11:28 pm
Here's a simple guide to the biggest bullshit cosmetics (I learned this from TV and common knowledge, so not an expert)

-essenial oils, :bullshit:, they can say that about anything
-detoxifying, total utter :bullshit:, it's not possible to remove chemicals out through skin (skin is one way)
-random organic bits (X extract, essence of X, exc), these are more tricky, this is where you need to know organic chemistry to know if they will actually effect the skin, but alot of it is just for smell anyway
Not that I disagree with your story in general, but how do you suppose skin is one way? It adsorbs certain substances quite readily, while also expelling various other substances like oils and water.

Those are produced by the skin, waste and contaminants in your blood can only be filtered by your liver and kidneys. I mean, yes, the chemicals from the skin do come from the body ultimately (it has to come from somewhere), but skin is not a primary means of excretion for waste or contaminates in the body. So while you can absorb nasty crap through your skin, it's not coming back out the same way.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on November 02, 2017, 11:41:20 pm
Let me do the math. So we take the price of a Tesla model X, add income tax and accounting fees, operating costs, massage service and divide by 1000 and we set the minimum batch size of 1000 and there you go!
You haven't factored in anything to cover for the hospital treatment and compensation for your appendages getting damaged by the Tesla model X if the door button gets pressed to early, the door sensors don't work effectively.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on November 03, 2017, 12:33:05 am
Here's a simple guide to the biggest bullshit cosmetics (I learned this from TV and common knowledge, so not an expert)

-essenial oils, :bullshit:, they can say that about anything
-detoxifying, total utter :bullshit:, it's not possible to remove chemicals out through skin (skin is one way)
-random organic bits (X extract, essence of X, exc), these are more tricky, this is where you need to know organic chemistry to know if they will actually effect the skin, but alot of it is just for smell anyway
Not that I disagree with your story in general, but how do you suppose skin is one way? It adsorbs certain substances quite readily, while also expelling various other substances like oils and water.

Those are produced by the skin, waste and contaminants in your blood can only be filtered by your liver and kidneys. I mean, yes, the chemicals from the skin do come from the body ultimately (it has to come from somewhere), but skin is not a primary means of excretion for waste or contaminates in the body. So while you can absorb nasty crap through your skin, it's not coming back out the same way.

Hmmm, I was under the impression that Sweat frequently expelled contaminants & oils?

Just eat a bucket of KFC and watch your skin turn nasty!  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 03, 2017, 07:20:00 am
KFC gives me a healthy shine  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on November 03, 2017, 07:31:54 am
KFC gives me a healthy shine  :-DD

Despite being 42, that stuff breaks me out in Acne!   :wtf:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 03, 2017, 10:03:14 am
Hmmm, I was under the impression that Sweat frequently expelled contaminants & oils?

Just eat a bucket of KFC and watch your skin turn nasty!  :-DD
It does. This is illustrated by the fact that some drug tests are based on samples taken from the skin. The notion that this is not the primary method of dealing with contaminants by the body would be correct.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on November 03, 2017, 10:13:03 am
My time to shine! [dusts off biochemistry degree that I've not really used...]

If it's soluble in oil and it's in your blood, some of it will come out through your skin - mostly through the sebum. Likewise if it's water-soluble, some of it will come out in your sweat.

Regardless of solubility, as a rule of thumb, most of everything that enters your blood leaves it through the urine - except carbon, which mostly leaves through your lungs as CO2 ;) That's right! You get lighter with each breath!

I have a much more detailed version of this post that I decided not to post (despite writing it) - I'll cover the subject on youtube at some point, but if anybody actually want's the detailed explanation give me a shout and I'll post my rambling here ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: grumpydoc on November 03, 2017, 01:32:59 pm
I’ve worked out my scam idea now.

I’m going to scam the scammers by setting up the best independent cable conditioning service in the business. You mail your cables to me and I’ll freeze them, burn them in and then run them through an audio VNA of my own dubious creation which will determine the best direction of the electron flow, label them up and provide a report as good as a your average Chinese AD584 paper report. I will charge $100 per cable plus shipping.

What will actually happen: fuck all other than unpack it and stick it in a nicer box and stick a piece of paper in with a plausible looking bode plot plus  some random noise from excel’s RNG in it.

If you do that it will be possible to find you guilty of fraud as you are promising a service which you do not deliver.

If you do, in fact, freeze them, burn them in and provide documented evidence of the steps you took to establish the directionality etc you will be fine.

Won't make any difference to the cable either way, of course.  >:D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 03, 2017, 01:37:23 pm
My time to shine! [dusts off biochemistry degree that I've not really used...]

If it's soluble in oil and it's in your blood, some of it will come out through your skin - mostly through the sebum. Likewise if it's water-soluble, some of it will come out in your sweat.

Regardless of solubility, as a rule of thumb, most of everything that enters your blood leaves it through the urine - except carbon, which mostly leaves through your lungs as CO2 ;) That's right! You get lighter with each breath!

I have a much more detailed version of this post that I decided not to post (despite writing it) - I'll cover the subject on youtube at some point, but if anybody actually want's the detailed explanation give me a shout and I'll post my rambling here ;)
Yes please!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on November 03, 2017, 02:31:07 pm
Yes please!
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Okay! You asked for it!

I've revised a little of it - but it gets a bit ropey towards the ened because I ran out of time - I might refine it with edits during my train journey later - but can't make any promises!



The Long Version...

Skin is designed to be mostly impermeable - it's main purpose is to stop pathogens entering the more sensitive underlayers - it's secondary purpose is thermal regulation.

As you know, it accomplishes this by sweating, and in mammals, having a subcutaneous layer of fat and hairs that stand on end to trap an insulating layer of air underneath the hairs (except in humans we don't have enough hair to do that anymore so our hairs just stand up and make us look very slightly fuzzier.)

As part of it's primary purpose in being a barrier to pathogens (and other toxicants), it produces sebum - which does lots of stuff. It is secreted by exocrine sebaceous glands, which are found wherever there is hair; most notably on the scalp, face, and shoulders. Sebum also helps waterproof you - and can help distribute some of your pheremones so that other people can smell you (did you know that what we call "love" has a worryingly large basis in smell?)

Sebum contains wax esters and some fatty acids and oils and stuff - and as a result, there is a concentration gradient between it and the blood vessels supplying the sebaceous gland - and as a result, a small, usually tiny amount of whatever is in your blood will dissolve into the sebum.

Most of this doesn't matter - the concentration is so miniscule that you only really notice it if something particularly pungent ("smelly", to use the technical term) is excreted by this pathway, in which case you notice it on the skin.

If you have more oil-soluble (non-polar) molecules in your blood, say, from drinking oil every day (don't try that, by the way), the concentration gradient is slightly higher, and this results in more of it diffusing across - the larger the molecule the harder it is to get into the sebum (because there is a barrier between the blood and the excretory side of the sebaceous gland... to stop you bleeding through your hairs - which would be pretty scary)

And that is how certain oily substances that you eat (and digested) end up on your skin: some examples include certain drugs, oils, and esters - often smelling sweet or musky.

Next up we have the water soluble (polar) stuff - this one's easy - it comes out in your sweat. Your body produces salty water (perspiration) to act as an evaporative cooling mechanism - this makes it slightly less pleasant for microbes to grow in, and makes it easier to evaporate - which means it can cool you quicker.

Once again, as it's secreted, water-soluble molecules can partition across your membranes into it - but, as I mentioned, most of anything in your blood ultimately exits through your urine (except carbon, which exits through your lungs as CO2)

Anything water soluble can come out through your sweat - the most obvious example is "allicinic acid" - the chemical that makes garlic smell... garlicky. Well, one of the chemicals. It's also a minor antibacterial (only minor though - if you have no access to any medicine it might help you a little... but even the worst antibiotics these days are still orders of magnitude more effective).

And that's why you smell garlicky when you eat garlic - well - one of the reasons, some of it also comes out in your saliva and you swallow it - and likewise, some of it ends up in your lungs - both of which contribute to garlic/anti-vampire breath after eating garlic bread.


NOW - the reverse is also possible; if you smear something onto your skin - some of it can end up in your blood. Certain chemicals are better at this than others - but generally speaking your skin is good at keeping chemicals out - this is why you don't swell up and die when you take a shower; this is why you can wash the dishes without poisoning yourself with dish soap; and this is why froliking in a field of grass doesn't cause you to have a massive allergic reaction to everything around you - it's physically isolated from your immune system. Obviously some people are more sensitive to certain proteins than others - and some people are orders of magnitude more sensitive to certain things - case and point - try rubbing some peanuts on somebody with a peanut allergy and see how quickly they start to panic once they realise what you're doing.

SO - now we have a plausible mechanism for absorbing some chemicals through your skin to varying degrees: good - you've got chemicals in you. Now what?

Well, that's all we need to sell you something: "your absorbs it" - and unless you know a lot of biochemistry, you'll have no idea what it's going to do - if anything. For instance, let's take a simple example - cyanide. We all know cyanide is bad - it's a poison... well, what defines a poison is the dose required to kill you - the smaller the dose required to kill you, the more poisonous it is. Cyanide doesn't require a whole lot to kill you - but guess what... your body makes it. OOOH NO! So do many plants. Some plants (like clover) produce a lot of it as a defence mechanism to ward off predators (like bunnies, who avoid it like the plague) - while other plants, like us, only produce traces as a byproduct - but that still means there is (trace) cycanide in food - just because something is detectable does not mean it has an effect; the dose makes the poison - and likewise, the dose makes the medicine.

One of my favourite examples of this is "Pantenne Pro-V" - you know, pro-vitamins! I have no idea what a pro-vitamin is... I know what a pro-drug is - it's a molecule that you eat - and when you eat it, it's not the drug - but your body digests it and makes it INTO the drug (like codeine - which turns into morphine when you metabolise it - thanks liver!).

Except... that doesn't make sense - does that mean a pro-vitamin is something you take that's not a vitamin but your body makes it into a vitamin? No, it can't be - a vitamin is,  by definition, something your body cannot make itself, and thus must be acquired (eaten) from the environment!

Not that it matters, because you're plastering this stuff on your hair - where it doesn't get absorbed (much).

So what is it actually? Probably "just a protein" that sticks to your hair, maybe it grabs water (hygroscopic), maybe it's waxy (makes your hair shiny), or maybe it's a random vitamin that's been added - either deliberately or by accident as a result of some side reaction or other ingredient.


As cyberdragon mentioned, Essential Oils are another good example: an essential oil (literally an oil that is the essence of something - for instance, essence of rose, garlick, bluebell, whatever - it's just a distilled oil, usually from a plant, and it usually smells nice if you're going to put it on your skin, but there's no requirement for it to smell nice)

How this ties into BS is related to psychology, ignorance of science in general, and ignorance of how to do basic research.

Consumers know that some plants have magical medicinal properties - so in their mind, there is now a coupling of the two ideas; that of "a chemical is on/in my skin" and "medicines are chemicals" - and that is the premise of the various tinctures/oils/lotions/solutions/treatments. On top of that, you have a placebo effect - which can be amazingly powerful - like, performing surgery with placebo anaesthetics and the patients are fine with it kind of amazingly powerful.

Ultimately you end up with two ingredients to BS - a plausible mechanism, and, ideally, ignorance of the subject. Unfortunately, ignorance is the default position on every subject; so there's a lot of BS out there! As James Randi said; "Ignorance is both hereditary and contagious" - a most poignant point in this day and age.

Anyway, I have ran out of time - I'll no doubt continue my ramblings at some point ;)

Any questions - feel free to ask!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Don Hills on November 03, 2017, 09:09:19 pm
DMSO (Dimethyl sulfoxide) readily passes from the skin into the bloodstream. It's often used to carry other chemicals in transdermal treatments.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cerebus on November 03, 2017, 10:07:45 pm
I have no idea what a pro-vitamin is...

I'll bet you do if you think about it for a second or two. Retinoids like the various carotenes are the obvious ones (pro-vitamin A if you will) and I'm sure there's others, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Of course, what good a pro-anything would be dumped onto biologically inactive keratin is another question entirely.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on November 04, 2017, 12:10:32 am
I have no idea what a pro-vitamin is...

I'll bet you do if you think about it for a second or two. Retinoids like the various carotenes are the obvious ones (pro-vitamin A if you will) and I'm sure there's others, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Of course, what good a pro-anything would be dumped onto biologically inactive keratin is another question entirely.

Ha! Fair point :P I had actually forgotten about these! Many thanks! I was taught them as "previtamins" rather than pro-vitamins; same thing though. TBH, we didn't really do much on vitamins... they were always there, lurking in the background - my field was immunology and we didn't generally have to go near the vitamin side of things: nasty, horrible-sounding molecules that nobody can pronounce (that's not an hyperbole - they cannot be pronounced by mortal tongues ;)) and tonnes of cells that carry those molecules except when they don't... and the pathways - oh gawd, the pathways! So many pathways...

ANYWAY - we didn't really bother with metabolism of vitamins, and only rarely interacted with them - usually only when they were describing something going wrong with a related process. I'm out the game as well - I hate to think of all the other things I've simply forgotten through lack of use :(



DMSO (Dimethyl sulfoxide) readily passes from the skin into the bloodstream. It's often used to carry other chemicals in transdermal treatments.
DMSO (Dimethyl sulfoxide) readily passes from the skin into the bloodstream. It's often used to carry other chemicals in transdermal treatments.

Ah, indeed - I have had very little exposure to this as a transdermal drug delivery method - though if you're interested I know a pharmacologist who can probably tell you a lot more about it than I!

My main experience with it was using it as a solvent in the lab as it's good at dissolving polar and nonpolar stuff; it was used a lot in the PCR reaction for amplifying DNA if I recall. It's a bit of an exception though - most chemicals don't penetrate the skin, and those that do don't tend to make it very far into it, precisely because they tend to be much more soluble in a polar or non-polar solvent but not in it's polar opposite (PUNS!).

Of course - some do penetrate it - but they tend to be relatively rare compared to what won't go too far through your skin. There are plenty of things that do go through your skin though - lots of factors influence it - but generally, if you want something to end up in the blood, through the skin may not be the best choice (but it does have it's place - for instance, nicotine patches and fentanyl patches are good for the end-consumer - precisely because they aren't good at going through the skin, it takes a while to pass through and you get a sustained release - rather than an acute dose; and it also bypasses your stomach - meaning you don't need to do weird chemistry to stop it getting digested immediately).

Either way, DMSO isn't something you generally find in cosmetics... but as always, there are exceptions - and of course, it's becoming increasingly popular in cosmetics because it's fairly non-toxic (LD50 is 14'500mg/kg in rats) - you can put it in your cream and it will saturate your skin with it without too much damage. What you dissolve in it may or may not pass through the skin with it, it depends on a bunch of factors - exampli gratia, the larger the molecule generally the harder it is to push through the skin with this method.

This is a prime example of "it has an effect in some situations" - but the average consumer mistakes that as meaning "science says it works" =/
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 04, 2017, 02:39:32 am
DMSO (Dimethyl sulfoxide) readily passes from the skin into the bloodstream. It's often used to carry other chemicals in transdermal treatments.
Paint thinner does also apparently pass through skin. It also passes through the blood-brain barrier and eats up rubber gloves. Not a great combination. The more I learn about it, the more I'm surprised people can by it without a problem. I think most danger comes from people not realizing the nastiness they're dealing with.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on November 04, 2017, 10:48:08 am


-detoxifying, total utter :bullshit:, it's not possible to remove chemicals out through skin (skin is one way)

As most humans sweat, I would tend to disagree with that one.

McBryce.


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Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on November 04, 2017, 12:56:55 pm
DMSO (Dimethyl sulfoxide) readily passes from the skin into the bloodstream. It's often used to carry other chemicals in transdermal treatments.
Paint thinner does also apparently pass through skin. It also passes through the blood-brain barrier and eats up rubber gloves. Not a great combination. The more I learn about it, the more I'm surprised people can by it without a problem. I think most danger comes from people not realizing the nastiness they're dealing with.

Again, it all comes down to dosing: the dose makes the poison; you're much more likely to get paint thinner into you from inhalation (your lungs are designed to transfer chemicals: skin, not so much) - so while possible, it's much less of a concern - obviously, if you were bathing in it, it might be an issue - but from casual use it's not likely to be enough to have a terrible effect on you - and if it does have an effect it's likely to be mild compared to an inhalation injury with the same chemical. As for passing throug hte blood-brain barrier; most chemicals do that - the barrier is designed to stop big things like cells and viruses crossing over - chemicals can diffuse across it with relative ease unless they are very large, complex, or have specific characteristics that stop them passing through it - if they didn't, you would struggle to actually give your brain oxygen and glucose and take away it's waste products.



-detoxifying, total utter :bullshit:, it's not possible to remove chemicals out through skin (skin is one way)

As most humans sweat, I would tend to disagree with that one.
McBryce.

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Detox is indeed utter ******** - it can be debunked with the simple nursery-level question - "so what actual toxin is being removed". As for moving a lot of material through your skin - it is generally one-way, your skin is designed to act as a barrier - sweating is a deliberate excretion from specific organs in your skin, and because of that you can't get just anything coming out of it.

To quote my original post:

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If it's soluble in oil and it's in your blood, some of it will come out through your skin - mostly through the sebum. Likewise if it's water-soluble, some of it will come out in your sweat.

Regardless of solubility, as a rule of thumb, most of everything that enters your blood leaves it through the urine - except carbon, which mostly leaves through your lungs as CO2


Anyway, I'm going to stop typing now - I've gotten waaaaaaay off topic ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cerebus on November 04, 2017, 02:04:26 pm
DMSO (Dimethyl sulfoxide) readily passes from the skin into the bloodstream. It's often used to carry other chemicals in transdermal treatments.
Paint thinner does also apparently pass through skin. It also passes through the blood-brain barrier and eats up rubber gloves. Not a great combination. The more I learn about it, the more I'm surprised people can by it without a problem. I think most danger comes from people not realizing the nastiness they're dealing with.

Again, it all comes down to dosing: the dose makes the poison; you're much more likely to get paint thinner into you from inhalation (your lungs are designed to transfer chemicals: skin, not so much) - so while possible, it's much less of a concern - obviously, if you were bathing in it, it might be an issue - but from casual use it's not likely to be enough to have a terrible effect on you - and if it does have an effect it's likely to be mild compared to an inhalation injury with the same chemical. As for passing throug hte blood-brain barrier; most chemicals do that - the barrier is designed to stop big things like cells and viruses crossing over - chemicals can diffuse across it with relative ease unless they are very large, complex, or have specific characteristics that stop them passing through it - if they didn't, you would struggle to actually give your brain oxygen and glucose and take away it's waste products.


Some pthalates will make it through the skin. This was discovered from testicular atrophy in painters who kept paint and solvent contaminated rags in the pockets of their overalls. Anybody really interested ought to be able to find a paper from ICI's reproductive toxicity lab entitled something like "Lactate Dehydrogenase as a Marker of Sertoli Cell damage" by HJ Barker and Andy somebody from the early eighties which contains the background. The take-away message is "Gentlemen, do not keep painter's rags in your trouser pockets or your balls will shrivel.".
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on November 04, 2017, 06:43:55 pm
The take-away message is "Gentlemen, do not keep painter's rags in your trouser pockets or your balls will shrivel.".
Darn It!!!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: skarecrow on November 04, 2017, 06:47:49 pm
I have come to the conclusion I'm in the wrong business.

The thing that gets me is, would I be a bad person if I sold people tiny bottles of shit and shiny cables for a fortune?

Is taking money from idiots bad or a justifiable punishment?

I've long been of that opinion about my own career, there is a yuge resource of idiocy out there just waiting to be exploited, in fact they're often begging to be exploited and will hand over their money with a smile on their face, but even better, they'll then tell other gullible idiots how great the deal was and be completely sincere about it.

It is absolutely clear that in the majority of cases of audiophoolery that there isn't any downside (other than mild, easily ignored ridicule) to selling the BS because people *want* to be conned, they want to believe they are somehow special, golden ears listeners.

I'm thinking I may have to visit my local stone merchant and see if they'll sell me some of their waste stone offcuts.
That reminds me of people who buy Apple products.

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Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 04, 2017, 08:58:12 pm
Like me with my 2x MBP's, 4x iPhones, 1x iMac, 1x Apple TV in the house  :box:

(I use them because I make glorious piles of money rather than fixing shit)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 04, 2017, 09:34:31 pm
Like me with my 2x MBP's, 4x iPhones, 1x iMac, 1x Apple TV in the house  :box:

(I use them because I make glorious piles of money rather than fixing shit)
Are you implying Apple products don't need fixing, or are you saying something else?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 04, 2017, 09:52:49 pm
No I'm saying that it's a tool. It is a device for producing something. It's a complicated screwdriver. It's an income generator for me. The screwdriver happens not to disintegrate in your hands. The implication that you are a dumbass for picking a tool is immature and reminiscent of the "my dad can fight your dad" in the playground  :palm:

If something doesn't do something at all or fails to live up to its claims then that's on topic.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on November 04, 2017, 10:54:22 pm
Like me with my 2x MBP's, 4x iPhones, 1x iMac, 1x Apple TV in the house  :box:

(I use them because I make glorious piles of money rather than fixing shit)

Apple fan boi here too, our 3 main computers in our house are Mac's, but I also run a Linux server and a Windows server. Using Mac's means ease of use and a generally hassle free computing experience. They also last 7 - 10 years (my 2007 MacBook is only just EOL now) so are worth the cost.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cerebus on November 04, 2017, 11:23:31 pm
The implication that you are a dumbass for picking a tool is immature and reminiscent of the "my dad can fight your dad" in the playground  :palm:

Indeed. Please people, can the Apple haters just please knock it off. On average every couple of days I see some muppet randomly spout off in some completely unrelated thread about how lame Apple are, or how lame Apple users are. It's tiresome, it's childish. There are much better things to talk about and comment on.

What does it say about one, if one is defined by hating what other people do, or like, or use, so much that one must mention it at every opportunity, and if an opportunity doesn't present itself, saying it anyway? I'm reminded of those persistently outspoken homophobic politicians - and then we get to hear about the string of rent boys. What are you lot doing, renting MacBooks by the half hour in seedy dark alleyways?

What would it get like around here if people started giving Fluke, or HP, or Keithley, or Siglent, or Rigol,  the 'Apple treatment'?

Oh, and I always won those playground "my dad can fight your dad" contests; WWII Commando and unarmed combat instructor, you bet my dad could beat them.  :)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: skarecrow on November 04, 2017, 11:57:52 pm
I stupidly didn't think about the possible war that could start because of my post, so I'll just go hide in a corner. I personally no longer use anything made by Apple because of my experiences with them, but like I always say, use what works for YOU, not what works for ME.

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Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 05, 2017, 12:41:36 am
No I'm saying that it's a tool. It is a device for producing something. It's a complicated screwdriver. It's an income generator for me. The screwdriver happens not to disintegrate in your hands. The implication that you are a dumbass for picking a tool is immature and reminiscent of the "my dad can fight your dad" in the playground  :palm:

If something doesn't do something at all or fails to live up to its claims then that's on topic.
I'm still not quite sure what the "fixing shit" comment was meant to convey, but I understand you're saying they're tools that happen to be convenient to you? My biggest problem with Apple right now is that providing support for multiple platforms isn't always convenient or easy, but more of a logistics thing, rather than brand specific.

Unfortunately, you can see people showing this behaviour everywhere. AMD versus Nvidia. Makita versus Bosch. Ford versus Chevy. Somehow people love to live in camps and defend it to the death, typically against all reason. I'm glad not everyone likes it exactly like I do, because things would become fairly unworkable rather soon.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on November 06, 2017, 09:39:43 am
Like me with my 2x MBP's, 4x iPhones, 1x iMac, 1x Apple TV in the house  :box:

(I use them because I make glorious piles of money rather than fixing shit)

Apple fan boi here too, our 3 main computers in our house are Mac's, but I also run a Linux server and a Windows server. Using Mac's means ease of use and a generally hassle free computing experience. They also last 7 - 10 years (my 2007 MacBook is only just EOL now) so are worth the cost.

Longevity is a regular advantage claimed for Macs and it's a claim that holds up, they do last pretty well but then so do pro grade Wintel machines, what don't last all that well are the bargain basement recycled yoghurt pot Wintel computers you can buy for a fifth of (or lower) price.

I've only just retired my HP Elitebook 6930p and the only reason is because something better came along, coupled with the prohibitive price of sticking more obsolete and now expensive memory into it.

It was getting on for 8-9 years old and still working perfectly well.

I like Macs, they work, what I don't like is Apple and the horrifically high prices they charge.

Other than that, if money were no object, I'd probably have a Mac or two.

iPhones, another story entirely, I've been trying to get to grips with one for the past fortnight (unfortunate incident involving a Google Pixel and a bowl of water), I hate it, absolutely loath the iPhone but unless I can lay hands on a decent Android smartphone I'm stuck with it for another year or more.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on November 06, 2017, 10:03:28 am

iPhones, another story entirely, I've been trying to get to grips with one for the past fortnight (unfortunate incident involving a Google Pixel and a bowl of water), I hate it, absolutely loath the iPhone but unless I can lay hands on a decent Android smartphone I'm stuck with it for another year or more.

Lol, it's funny how we all have different preferences, I had an Android phone for work for 2 years and found it irritating, I've bought my own iPhones ever since and claimed work use on tax.

I dont hate Android and did like certain things about Android, I just prefer the consistency of the iPhone UI and the Family device mgmt functionality of iOS makes my life easy as a dad with young kids who have iPads.

Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 06, 2017, 10:56:54 am
Just some quantitative stuff to back up my assertions about reliability.

I'll write down my experiences quickly as I have a vast experience across lots of different platforms.

On the mobile front, I spent a number of years with Android and Windows Phone. For me, the handset is a communication and entertainment device. Both failed at that for my use cases regularly. I'm going to ignore Windows Phone which was a complete disaster across the board the moment Windows Phone 10 came out. Particularly I found that Android required a lot of maintenance, particularly at inconvenient times, all the media options were quite unreliable and the storage story was awful, including several events where 6 and 7 hosed the device entirely with qualified SD cards. Once I ended up with a randomly hosed handset on the road, stuck in a Travelodge in Manchester with a meeting to get to in an hour. I don't have time for that shit. After spending hours managing media and fixing my stuff, I eventually I just said fuck it and bought a 128Gb iPhone 6s and use Apple Music (which gets shared with all 5 household members). It has a number of irritations (everything does!) but I genuinely have to do no maintenance on it ever. It just works. Over the lifetime of the device it works out at £40/month excluding the contract but frees up between 5-10 hours of maintenance and moving files around every month. My leisure time is worth more than £8/hour to me. Also if I break it, I can walk into an Apple store and walk out with another handset on the same day because I paid for Apple Care. If you've ever dealt with 3rd party support companies who do most of the maintenance, you'll understand why this is attractive. One Motorola handset I had failed entirely after a month and came back with no repair after a month with water damage apparently. It wasn't water damaged. The repairer water damaged it because it was cheaper than repairing it. Barclaycard sorted that one out.

I'll concede on Apple Pricing on laptops. It's pretty high. My daily driver laptop was a top end 15" MBP (i7, 16Gb, 1TiB SSD) and cost me just over £3k when I bought it. But that was in 2013. I was paying around £1500 for a T-series ThinkPad before that which was lasting about 18 months and thanks to windows (which isn't all that great for us Linux and AWS wranglers) I was burning hours a month on friction and broken shit.  This thing hasn't had a single problem since I got it. Not one in 4 years. I expect to get 6 years out of it. So that's £42/month.

So I'm running my entire operation on a £82/month budget (which is a tiny fraction of my post-tax income) and get top line hardware that doesn't get in my way and when I'm tired of it, I get a quite frankly ridiculously large 30-40% return on what I sell.

A note though on subsidies. When you purchase a PC based laptop, a lot of the time you're paying less than cost price for the laptop as some of the cost is usually subsidised by Microsoft who will try and use it to upsell you subscription services (windows SKU upgrades, office etc) and crapware by third parties. When you buy a Mac, there are no subsidies. You're paying for all the services that they issue with it such as calendaring, cloud, mail, messaging, pages/numbers (which aren't that bad), mapping, navigation, contact management, the lot up front. There are two upsells which are Apple Music and more cloud storage, both of which I buy because they are cheaper than working around it to be honest and they work very well. This is evidenced by the fact that half of the new UWP apps that ship with windows 10 are advertising driven and telemetry.

I think a lot of friction people experience when moving between platforms is the naive expectation that if you walk into a room, all the chairs are going to be exactly where you want them. You have to go in open-minded and thoroughly researched and don't try and move all the chairs around.

Now there are a few turds I will say. The first is software availability. As much as I like it, some stuff only runs on windows. But that sits in a VM and stays out of the way. If windows goes pop, it gets reverted to a snapshot and the world carries on.  Also I'm not too sure about the current line MacBook Pro and the new function key display but I really rarely use function keys (as I'm a unix guy) so perhaps this isn't a problem.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on November 06, 2017, 09:55:35 pm
Personally I prefer Android and Windows over IOS systems and the way I see it is quite simple really, the advantage of IOS however has over the others is that there is only 1 manufacturer and they can control the quality of their product and therefore their reputation because there is no-one else to blame when and if things go wrong.

I like Android really I suppose because they are far cheaper to buy than the IOS counterpart so I have always had Android and never experienced a really nasty problem with them either. I have to say as well that I have never owned or used an IOS phone either so I have no real firsthand knowledge of using and living with one.

One of the biggest dislikes about iPhones is the fact that the battery is sealed in whereas on most of the Android phones, they are easy to remove if the phone ever freezes on you and also to replace when they reach the point that they don't hold charge very well.

A company I was working for moved over to Windows 10 phones and after a bit of getting used to, using a bd139 terminology, the biggest problem with operating it was the fact that the chairs had been arranged in a different order, once learned where they were it was not a problem.

When it comes to computers, Again the path chosen was down to price point and also the choice of software, which was largely dictated by companies I worked for as the system and software had to be 100% compatible with their system which is 99% of the business community is going to Microsoft based except for certain industries that have always traditionally gone down the IOS (Apple) route.

So thats why I favour Android and Windows over Apple and IOS, not to mention that there is a far bigger choice of phones and computers then there is with Apple products and is because the OS and the platform is open for development by third parties who write software to run on it and also hardware to exploit the OS. The biggest problem is also born out of their strength, is that they do not restrict access to it and neither do they enforce as much quality control as Apple do
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: chris_leyson on November 06, 2017, 10:28:42 pm
Lysergic acid diethylamide is absorbed through skin but oil made out of snakes probably isn't as good, what was the topic anyway ?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 07, 2017, 02:40:18 am
The problem I've had so far with iOS and OS X devices is that they're not as bulletproof as they are reported to be. Something inevitably turns out not to work and unless you're a CLI wizard on that platform, you won't have much feedback about what's wrong and little to no tools to fix it. It can be a frustrating experience.

That's what I mostly like about Windows and Android. You can find pretty much any and all software you could imagine for it, you can change anything you like to the point of breaking things completely and if things break, you have a nice array of tools to help you deal with that. Though I must admit, Apple's consistent updates and some of the more secure hardware on the market is appealing. It also doesn't help that the Android software support situation currently is an utter mess, or that the freedom and control that made Windows so appealing in the past appears to be disappearing quickly due to the new Microsoft course.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 07, 2017, 08:20:52 am
I am a terminal wizard so I’m good (20 years of unix admin experience).

Everyone wants the App Store model because they see Apple doing well. MSFT will do a 180 when market dwindles. I hope they do anyway as I’m going to be honest and say that the most productive software stack ever was when they dropped Windows desktop, server and dev tools at the same time.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 07, 2017, 05:09:57 pm
I am a terminal wizard so I’m good (20 years of unix admin experience).

Everyone wants the App Store model because they see Apple doing well. MSFT will do a 180 when market dwindles. I hope they do anyway as I’m going to be honest and say that the most productive software stack ever was when they dropped Windows desktop, server and dev tools at the same time.
Doing what Apple does is the stupidest thing they can do. They won't be able to match the Apple proposition, for a number of reasons I won't go into, and will lose what actually is their selling point in the process.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 07, 2017, 05:24:33 pm
Indeed. On topic for sure, MSFT's marketing is snake oil at the moment.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Fungus on November 07, 2017, 07:16:59 pm
Indeed. On topic for sure, MSFT's marketing is snake oil at the moment.

Yep. They've spent more than a decade and billions of $$$ trying to play catch-up with Apple and Google, all the time alienating their core customer base (Windows 8 anybody?  :palm: )
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on November 07, 2017, 07:17:08 pm
One of the big things that holds Apple back from being what they could be is their approach to software. Bringing out all their regular updates to the OS and then once people with slightly older devices realise that they just bricked their device because their platform is not capable of running the latest OS. They don't offer a roll back system where in cases like that you could be rolled to the system you were running before. Thus forcing customers to update their device, which they may elect to do so but move away from Apple to one of the other platforms.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 07, 2017, 07:22:38 pm
One of the big things that holds Apple back from being what they could be is their approach to software. Bringing out all their regular updates to the OS and then once people with slightly older devices realise that they just bricked their device because their platform is not capable of running the latest OS. They don't offer a roll back system where in cases like that you could be rolled to the system you were running before. Thus forcing customers to update their device, which they may elect to do so but move away from Apple to one of the other platforms.
I don't quite think that an accident or holding them back. Whether it's full-on intent or wilful neglect, the last update on a device always seem a lot slower than previous updates were. As a company, you don't want inevitably vulnerable devices floating around anyway, so getting rid of them isn't a terrible idea. At least on paper it isn't.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 07, 2017, 07:35:47 pm
I’ve never actually observed any slowing down. My 2013 MBP still goes like lightning. My 2010 MBP is still supported and goes like lightning. Only thing that got a bit cranky were the 32 bit iPhones but there was a massive architectural change at the OS level when they did that switcheroo.

Apple are supporting handsets that are 5 years old and computers going back 8 years.

To be honest we cycle all our hardware in the office every 24 months.

Android - a year or patches if you’re lucky, if you’re not, none! Windows phone - they just canned the entire platform. MS has also dumped support for surface machines that are less than 18 months old. Also let’s not forget windows RT. Hmm...

We have banned android handsets and windows phone ones it has got that bad. You get a managed iOS device and that’s it.

I think a lot of knowledge about the Apple ecosystem is rumour mill at best.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 07, 2017, 08:09:48 pm
It's not the supported devices that are the problem, it's the last update before devices lose support. But yes, the Android update situation is absolutely dreadful. Windows Phone, well, yeah.

Microsoft actually had a nice product going, but the inconsistency has killed it, along with any future mobile products. No one will be stupid enough to invest in anything new with the shaky commitment Microsoft displayed. If you want to be in the enterprise market, you have to play the long game.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on November 07, 2017, 08:18:50 pm
Yeah I’ll admit that I was an early windows phone adopter and had WP7 and 8 handsets. At the time they were pretty good. WP8.1 and WP1 were turds though.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on November 07, 2017, 09:27:08 pm
Well I was more concerned personally with desktop machines and yes there was a some very flaky releases of the Windows OS but at least you had a choice of if you wanted to update or not. I have some desktops still running windows XP to support older types of programs that are still perfectly capable pieces of software and so are the desktops, some running Windows 7, one running Windows 10, one laptop running XP and another with Windows 10 on it. Of course if I wanted to take 10 of my desktop and revert back to XP or 7 I can do so with reasonable ease, in fact I have just purchased some new copies of XP and 7 for the purpose that I can swap them about easily, is the same true for MB's

With Android, yes I agree that updates is left with the makers of the device to implement, it means that if they decide not to actively support it with updates any longer, you are still left with a workable phone / tablet as long as the apps continue to support older versions.

Compare that with the Apple updates for their iPads and iPhones where you just get a message saying that there is an update available, you only find out after you have updated that it is a one way option, no going back and that sometimes the new system can turn it into a brick if the phone is old enough that the architecture cannot support the new OS.

It is also true that if there is a major update, that some of the not so old devices really struggle to run effectively on it and seems to be positively steam driven as the new system slows it down to a crawl.

My 3 sons and wife all went with Apple for their phones and tablets and have all suffered this effect so much so that they have been forced to update to newer units because the updates affected the way that they could use them. It has gotten so bad now that they watch the various forums for reports of how the new updates have affected older units and in some cases they have stuck with older OS's because the newer ones would seriously affect them. Two of my sons are still using IOS 10, the 3rd has just upgraded his phone.

I on the other hand still have all of my older Android Tablets and phones and they are all operational even though there has been no updates for them for years and for the most part, all of the installed apps are still supported.

I do actually own an official iPad Air, iPod Classic and iPod touch, the Classic has just stopped working and Apple will not support this at all, the Touch is still working as is the iPad Air which about 18 months old, running version 10 and there is an update to version 11 if I want to update it. It is working just fine just I'm not risking it.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on November 08, 2017, 02:16:19 am
I’ve never actually observed any slowing down. My 2013 MBP still goes like lightning. My 2010 MBP is still supported and goes like lightning. Only thing that got a bit cranky were the 32 bit iPhones but there was a massive architectural change at the OS level when they did that switcheroo.

Apple are supporting handsets that are 5 years old and computers going back 8 years.

To be honest we cycle all our hardware in the office every 24 months.

Android - a year or patches if you’re lucky, if you’re not, none! Windows phone - they just canned the entire platform. MS has also dumped support for surface machines that are less than 18 months old. Also let’s not forget windows RT. Hmm...

We have banned android handsets and windows phone ones it has got that bad. You get a managed iOS device and that’s it.

I think a lot of knowledge about the Apple ecosystem is rumour mill at best.

One  reason I dislike the Android platform is the poor state of end user support - it took HTC 18 months to update my phone to 4.0 and the carrier bloatware was horrendous. I eventually rooted the phone and installed a custom ROM whcih I really liked, aside from the never quite fixed Bluetooth and some other bugs.

Then I had to revert to the official ROM on the pain of losing my job with HP as they brought in security policy forbidding custom droid ROM's and made it an instantly sackable offense.

Living in the Apple walled garden isnt perfect either, but at least I never have to worry about my phone becoming abandonware 6 months after release and the carriers arent allowed to install crapware on my phone. I was also impressed by the support my old iPad 2 got, it had continual upgrades for 5 years (We keep tablets for a long time in our family, phones get replaced on contract every 2 years).

I Also dislike the cowboy attitude Google has to app security, I see almost weekly reports on infested Android apps being delivered from the play store to 100's of thousands of users. I also object to Android being almost entirely a user information collection platform to help drive Googles ad platforms.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on November 08, 2017, 10:05:14 am

One  reason I dislike the Android platform is the poor state of end user support - it took HTC 18 months to update my phone to 4.0 and the carrier bloatware was horrendous. I eventually rooted the phone and installed a custom ROM whcih I really liked, aside from the never quite fixed Bluetooth and some other bugs.

I think this thread has been derailed far enough that it should probably be split but...

Part of the problem with Android VS. Apple is that carriers have a lot more freedom to add their own bloatware and/or withhold updates on Android phones, it's more a carrier problem than a specifically Android one, choose your carrier wisely or buy your phone outright and go SIM Only and you get a better end user experience.

Apple for all the bad they can be, operate a tightly controlled eco system which is pretty much guaranteed to work well because they control it from end to end but the moment you step outside of that they wash their hands of you and you're on your own, there's no going back unless you buy back in which isn't cheap.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on November 08, 2017, 10:58:17 am
Part of the problem with Android VS. Apple is that carriers have a lot more freedom to add their own bloatware and/or withhold updates on Android phones, it's more a carrier problem than a specifically Android one, choose your carrier wisely or buy your phone outright and go SIM Only and you get a better end user experience.
Thats why all of my own personal phones have been SIM only and I still have workable phones as a result. Also as mentioned earlier I do have experience of both systems, and both are flawed in some way or other, end of the day you pay your money and take your pick, its as simple as that.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: The Electrician on November 18, 2017, 06:10:39 am
Has anyone seen these:

http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/new-discovery-could-lead-commercial-production-permanent-magnet-motors?NL=ED-003&Issue=ED-003_20171115_ED-003_191&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_2_b&utm_rid=CPG05000003328974&utm_campaign=14085&utm_medium=email&elq2=a5c0e8f11f7649fc8746cb507a990c65 (http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/new-discovery-could-lead-commercial-production-permanent-magnet-motors?NL=ED-003&Issue=ED-003_20171115_ED-003_191&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_2_b&utm_rid=CPG05000003328974&utm_campaign=14085&utm_medium=email&elq2=a5c0e8f11f7649fc8746cb507a990c65)

http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible (http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 18, 2017, 06:15:03 am
Has anyone seen these:

http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/new-discovery-could-lead-commercial-production-permanent-magnet-motors?NL=ED-003&Issue=ED-003_20171115_ED-003_191&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_2_b&utm_rid=CPG05000003328974&utm_campaign=14085&utm_medium=email&elq2=a5c0e8f11f7649fc8746cb507a990c65 (http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/new-discovery-could-lead-commercial-production-permanent-magnet-motors?NL=ED-003&Issue=ED-003_20171115_ED-003_191&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_2_b&utm_rid=CPG05000003328974&utm_campaign=14085&utm_medium=email&elq2=a5c0e8f11f7649fc8746cb507a990c65)

http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible (http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible)
How many of these permanent magnet motors are they going to build?  :palm:

At least these folks used proper references. It's something.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Bashstreet on November 21, 2017, 03:36:13 pm
There are many sources of free energy only thing that cost in resource is to make methods to collect them. :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: StillTrying on November 21, 2017, 06:51:50 pm
Why are the editors of http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible (http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible)

believing this, are they nuts.

A Motor Driven Entirely by Permanent Magnets Provides Clean, Abundant and Inexpensive Energy
The most incredible discovery of the century!
Simultaneous attract and repel between two permanent magnets with opposite poles facing produces an attract-repel sequence without reversing polarity and can drive a motor without electricity.

http://www.kedronenergy.com (http://www.kedronenergy.com)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: vk6zgo on November 21, 2017, 11:17:10 pm
Why are the editors of http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible (http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible)

believing this, are they nuts.

A Motor Driven Entirely by Permanent Magnets Provides Clean, Abundant and Inexpensive Energy
The most incredible discovery of the century!
Simultaneous attract and repel between two permanent magnets with opposite poles facing produces an attract-repel sequence without reversingse, polarity and can drive a motor without electricity.

http://www..com (http://www.kedronenergy.com)

Well, kedronenergy's video was nothing if not convincing, & it wasn't convincing!

Even if this silly concept worked, permanent magnets with consistent characteristics, convenient shapes & high field intensities do not exist in nature, & require substantial energy input to produce.
You could search for lodestones of just the right size & shape, I suppose, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

At best, if it worked, it would be a sort of "battery" -----magnets do slowly lose their magnetism.

And what the hell is an "atomic electron"-------I thought that all atoms had associated electrons!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Circlotron on November 22, 2017, 12:01:00 am
And what the hell is an "atomic electron"-------I thought that all atoms had associated electrons!
Those are the things that produce scalar electromagnetic waves of course.  ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Buriedcode on November 22, 2017, 12:36:36 am
Well, it doesn't surprise me that much.  More and more tech journalists are falling prey to such ideas as a backlash against those who say 'nope, doesn't work'.  Whilst the question 'what if..' has its place, it is dangerous as it can lead others to skim such articles and believe these things actually exist.

I can understand folks from Engadget or Gizmodo covering - and promoting - pseudoscience like the large number of kickstarter campaigns that can never, and will never deliver, but it is starting to creep into more technical magazines.  At least 'tech' sites and magazines are more commercial, for those interested in gadgets but perhaps not technically minded (as in, not caring how stuff works, rather than not understanding).

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again.  Just because someone is an engineer, or a doctor, highly educated, doesn't make them immune to believing in things that don't exist, or have belief's others find silly.  This perhaps explains why many engineers believe in alternative medicine, or why some doctors believe that 'quantum technology' can help us measure calorie content of food, but when someone believes the woo that is in their field, and it becomes 'normalised' over time, yeah, that's worrying.  Case in point: a GP that drinks 'smart water'.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: cprobertson1 on November 22, 2017, 06:47:32 am
And what the hell is an "atomic electron"-------I thought that all atoms had associated electrons!

Maybe he was referring to the electrons that appear when a neutron decays? Or maybe I give him too much credit, and it turns out he's just full of it ;)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Mr. Scram on November 23, 2017, 01:45:42 am
Well, kedronenergy's video was nothing if not convincing, & it wasn't convincing!

Even if this silly concept worked, permanent magnets with consistent characteristics, convenient shapes & high field intensities do not exist in nature, & require substantial energy input to produce.
You could search for lodestones of just the right size & shape, I suppose, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

At best, if it worked, it would be a sort of "battery" -----magnets do slowly lose their magnetism.

And what the hell is an "atomic electron"-------I thought that all atoms had associated electrons!
You have electrons without an associated atom though, so calling the ones that are associated that way "atomic" seems viable.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: WastelandTek on December 23, 2017, 07:45:29 am
Here is one making the rounds

(https://hardforum.com/attachments/upload_2017-12-22_10-58-27-png.47314/)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eOEAAOSwBkRaFJF7/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cubdriver on December 23, 2017, 08:20:19 am
WT, are you seriously questioning whether a receiver listed on ebay that's fused to draw a max of 690W can put out 4-1/3 times that?  All those blue LEDs magically multiply power output, don'tcha know?

 :-DD

On top of which, it was designed in the USA and Engineered in Japan.  (Ignore the 'made in China' part).  That means it MUST be good!!

-Pat
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: amyk on December 23, 2017, 09:49:28 am
3000W "PMPO" -- also known as "Purely Marketing Power Output".

Many years ago, I remember seeing computer speakers with "480W PMPO" --- containing two 2W drivers powered from a 0.5W amp.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: CJay on December 23, 2017, 05:32:45 pm
There's also the age old trick of making your product name 'suggest' it's power output, plenty of car stereos used to and probably still have model numbers like 250W, ISTR  graphic equaliser booster amps were the worst for it, usually having a couple of 10 Watt TDA10xx chips but a model number like 400WPCH
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: IanMacdonald on January 13, 2018, 11:39:48 am
I  propose that we adopt the unit of the Home for audio power measurements.

Seems to work quite well for wind turbine sellers in convincing people of the efficacy of their products.   :blah:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: ZomBiE80 on February 27, 2018, 09:29:36 pm
https://www.tvradius.com/ (https://www.tvradius.com/) Total BullShit.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on February 27, 2018, 09:40:24 pm
I saw a review of some very nice Krix speakers the other day, the review was quite well written and low on bs but then I saw pics of his set up, he had speaker cables with silly little stands to keep them off the floor!  :palm:

I just can't take anyone seriously who thinks these have any use whatsoever!
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: StillTrying on February 27, 2018, 10:55:13 pm
Why are the editors of http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible (http://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible)

believing this, are they nuts

The article was updated and answered my question. Yep, totally nuts.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cerebus on February 27, 2018, 11:11:16 pm
I saw a review of some very nice Krix speakers the other day, the review was quite well written and low on bs but then I saw pics of his set up, he had speaker cables with silly little stands to keep them off the floor!  :palm:

I just can't take anyone seriously who thinks these have any use whatsoever!

They let you sweep/clean underneath the cables.  That's a use. :)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on February 28, 2018, 12:21:24 am
I saw a review of some very nice Krix speakers the other day, the review was quite well written and low on bs but then I saw pics of his set up, he had speaker cables with silly little stands to keep them off the floor!  :palm:

I just can't take anyone seriously who thinks these have any use whatsoever!

They let you sweep/clean underneath the cables.  That's a use. :)

 :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on February 28, 2018, 07:31:34 am
https://www.tvradius.com/ (https://www.tvradius.com/) Total BullShit.

I am missing something? They don't say what it receives. There's certainly no Free HD TV floating around the airwaves anywhere near me. Is it just a fancy DVB-T antenna?

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on February 28, 2018, 11:46:58 am
I saw a review of some very nice Krix speakers the other day, the review was quite well written and low on bs but then I saw pics of his set up, he had speaker cables with silly little stands to keep them off the floor!  :palm:

I just can't take anyone seriously who thinks these have any use whatsoever!

They let you sweep/clean underneath the cables.  That's a use. :)
It increases the cable rating as its in free air and can thus deliver a purer sound to the speakers and a higher wattage as well, thats a real bonus is that  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: vk6zgo on February 28, 2018, 12:16:11 pm
https://www.tvradius.com/ (https://www.tvradius.com/) Total BullShit.

I am missing something? They don't say what it receives. There's certainly no Free HD TV floating around the airwaves anywhere near me. Is it just a fancy DVB-T antenna?

Bryce.

Yes, it's for DVB-T.
Just conventional terrestrial TV Stations.
The Digital TV broadcasters we have in Australia, are commonly called "Free to Air"(FTA).
Of course, they aren't all HD, but many of them are.

Free?---- we don't have TV Receiver licences, so the National Stations ( ABC) are paid for by the taxpayer, & the Commercial Stations by advertising revenue, so indirectly, we do pay for both.

As we pay whether we use,them or not, they are, effectively, free.
You can certainly get better antennas than the one shown, probably cheaper
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on February 28, 2018, 12:40:14 pm
Here in Germany you pay a TV license, but that only gets you standard resolution TV and there's not many of those left anyway. Anything HD costs extra. So DVB-T is pretty much empty unless you pay for a HD subscription (about €70 per year).

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on February 28, 2018, 09:14:20 pm
I saw a review of some very nice Krix speakers the other day, the review was quite well written and low on bs but then I saw pics of his set up, he had speaker cables with silly little stands to keep them off the floor!  :palm:

I just can't take anyone seriously who thinks these have any use whatsoever!

They let you sweep/clean underneath the cables.  That's a use. :)
It increases the cable rating as its in free air and can thus deliver a purer sound to the speakers and a higher wattage as well, thats a real bonus is that  :-DD

You need to get a job for an Audio Phool magazine mate, I almost believed that!  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on February 28, 2018, 09:44:17 pm
I saw a review of some very nice Krix speakers the other day, the review was quite well written and low on bs but then I saw pics of his set up, he had speaker cables with silly little stands to keep them off the floor!  :palm:

I just can't take anyone seriously who thinks these have any use whatsoever!

They let you sweep/clean underneath the cables.  That's a use. :)
It increases the cable rating as its in free air and can thus deliver a purer sound to the speakers and a higher wattage as well, thats a real bonus is that  :-DD

You need to get a job for an Audio Phool magazine mate, I almost believed that!  :-DD
So how many of these cable stands would you like?  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Fungus on March 01, 2018, 12:40:33 am
It increases the cable rating as its in free air and can thus deliver a purer sound to the speakers and a higher wattage as well, thats a real bonus is that  :-DD
You need to get a job for an Audio Phool magazine mate, I almost believed that!  :-DD

It might be true for some types of floor.

The wrong sort of floor could turn the cables into inductors and that would wreck the sound.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on March 01, 2018, 01:44:56 am
It might be true for some types of floor.

The wrong sort of floor could turn the cables into inductors and that would wreck the sound.

Have you seen the Cables AudioPhools use? Those things use more shielding than what you'd find in state of the art RF / EMP hardened Military gear!

FWIW, here's the review: https://www.stereo.net.au/reviews/review-krix-esoterix-altum-bookshelf-speakers (https://www.stereo.net.au/reviews/review-krix-esoterix-altum-bookshelf-speakers)

and the cables in question!  :palm:

(https://www.stereo.net.au/images/articles/Images/2239/p1030469__large_full.jpg)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on March 01, 2018, 02:59:46 am
It might be true for some types of floor.

The wrong sort of floor could turn the cables into inductors and that would wreck the sound.

Have you seen the Cables AudioPhools use? Those things use more shielding than what you'd find in state of the art RF / EMP hardened Military gear!

FWIW, here's the review: https://www.stereo.net.au/reviews/review-krix-esoterix-altum-bookshelf-speakers (https://www.stereo.net.au/reviews/review-krix-esoterix-altum-bookshelf-speakers)

and the cables in question!  :palm:

(https://www.stereo.net.au/images/articles/Images/2239/p1030469__large_full.jpg)
Fools, don't they know that hard, shiny surfaces like that floor for instance actually colour the sound and so they are not actually listening to the pure sound but slightly distorted sound. Secondly, the quoted frequency response of those speakers is 40Hz to 40Khz, why? I say why because it is a fact the the human ear can only hear frequencies in the 20Hz to 20Khz. That means that only animals can appreciate the upper infrequence between 20KHz and 40Khz. So not only are they missing out on 20Hz of pure joy, deep bass but the speakers are also supposed to to be able to produce sounds 20Khz above the human capability of hearing, why???

Thats proof enough to demonstrate that there are people around who are clearly deluded  and are easily parted from their money. And that cable and the fancy stands for the cable is another clear example.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on March 01, 2018, 03:12:44 am
Fools, don't they know that hard, shiny surfaces like that floor for instance actually colour the sound and so they are not actually listening to the pure sound but slightly distorted sound. Secondly, the quoted frequency response of those speakers is 40Hz to 40Khz, why? I say why because it is a fact the the human ear can only hear frequencies in the 20Hz to 20Khz. That means that only animals can appreciate the upper infrequence between 20KHz and 40Khz. So not only are they missing out on 20Hz of pure joy, deep bass but the speakers are also supposed to to be able to produce sounds 20Khz above the human capability of hearing, why???

Thats proof enough to demonstrate that there are people around who are clearly deluded  and are easily parted from their money. And that cable and the fancy stands for the cable is another clear example.

Lol, I personally have carpet in my HT room simply because I dislike the reflections created by hard floors. My system (w/400w, 300mm active sub) goes down to 16Hz which you can definitely feel more than hear (which is kinda the point with movies).

but yeah the 40Khz top end response is pointless considering the only way to perceive frequencies above 20khz, is via bone conduction ... which would require you to strap the speaker to your head! :palm:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: jh15 on March 01, 2018, 06:47:13 am
I thought bone conduction was only good into the 3khz or so. I played with transducers and found that so.

If you can tell me how you can get 10's of khz through bone conduction, tell me.  Maybey your cochlea still has to work there?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: helius on March 01, 2018, 06:54:07 am
http://www.lampizator.eu/Fikus/SILK_AC_FILTER.html (http://www.lampizator.eu/Fikus/SILK_AC_FILTER.html)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: djos on March 01, 2018, 07:05:24 am
I thought bone conduction was only good into the 3khz or so. I played with transducers and found that so.

If you can tell me how you can get 10's of khz through bone conduction, tell me.  Maybey your cochlea still has to work there?

You could well be correct, I'm no expert on the subject but I did read it somewhere on the internetz once, so of course it must be true.  :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on March 01, 2018, 07:56:58 am
It might be true for some types of floor.

The wrong sort of floor could turn the cables into inductors and that would wreck the sound.

Have you seen the Cables AudioPhools use? Those things use more shielding than what you'd find in state of the art RF / EMP hardened Military gear!

FWIW, here's the review: https://www.stereo.net.au/reviews/review-krix-esoterix-altum-bookshelf-speakers (https://www.stereo.net.au/reviews/review-krix-esoterix-altum-bookshelf-speakers)

and the cables in question!  :palm:

(https://www.stereo.net.au/images/articles/Images/2239/p1030469__large_full.jpg)
Fools, don't they know that hard, shiny surfaces like that floor for instance actually colour the sound and so they are not actually listening to the pure sound but slightly distorted sound. Secondly, the quoted frequency response of those speakers is 40Hz to 40Khz, why? I say why because it is a fact the the human ear can only hear frequencies in the 20Hz to 20Khz. That means that only animals can appreciate the upper infrequence between 20KHz and 40Khz. So not only are they missing out on 20Hz of pure joy, deep bass but the speakers are also supposed to to be able to produce sounds 20Khz above the human capability of hearing, why???

Thats proof enough to demonstrate that there are people around who are clearly deluded  and are easily parted from their money. And that cable and the fancy stands for the cable is another clear example.

9 out of 10 fruit bats said they preferred these speakers. :)

<Pedantic_rambling>
@Fungus: The cable would have inductance no matter what floor it was lying on, just some floors might increase the value.
</Pedantic_rambling>

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on March 01, 2018, 09:03:39 am
Fools, don't they know that hard, shiny surfaces like that floor for instance actually colour the sound and so they are not actually listening to the pure sound but slightly distorted sound. Secondly, the quoted frequency response of those speakers is 40Hz to 40Khz, why? I say why because it is a fact the the human ear can only hear frequencies in the 20Hz to 20Khz. That means that only animals can appreciate the upper infrequence between 20KHz and 40Khz. So not only are they missing out on 20Hz of pure joy, deep bass but the speakers are also supposed to to be able to produce sounds 20Khz above the human capability of hearing, why???

Thats proof enough to demonstrate that there are people around who are clearly deluded  and are easily parted from their money. And that cable and the fancy stands for the cable is another clear example.

Lol, I personally have carpet in my HT room simply because I dislike the reflections created by hard floors. My system (w/400w, 300mm active sub) goes down to 16Hz which you can definitely feel more than hear (which is kinda the point with movies).

but yeah the 40Khz top end response is pointless considering the only way to perceive frequencies above 20khz, is via bone conduction ... which would require you to strap the speaker to your head! :palm:
That's just the point, in the demo room they have wall to wall carpet and the other speakers on test are huge. In that case it is easy get the audience to select which ever set of speakers you want them to by selecting the audiences by their preferences. Take my wife as an example, she hates deep bass and large speakers preferring small unobtrusive ones, find similar people to make your test audience and you get the smallest speaker picked as the winner. Simple as that, big speakers get written off from the get go purely on sheer size and then because they will also produce the heaviest and deepest bass, bingo ladies and gentlemen your winner was predetermined. [emoji41]
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: IanMacdonald on March 05, 2018, 03:38:08 pm
There is also a world of difference between bass and boom.  Boom, is when the speaker just makes a nondescript noise whenever a note below 100Hz or so is played. In the worst cases it's not even possible to tell what instrument played the note.  :-//

The audiophools dote on boom though. Especially the car audiophools.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on March 05, 2018, 06:04:13 pm
Real quality bass is well defined and not just a one note samba that you tend to get the car audio lot whose main aim in life seems to be moving as much air as they can with their sub woofers. Anyone who has been in a large church/hall/theatre where a pipe organ is playing will of course know that part of the deep bass is also the ability to feel the bass in your body and the lower the note, the greater the feel and less actually hearing the note.

Now to my mind, the job of hi-fi and speakers is to try and reproduce the sound and the feeling that you get by being there and if the equipment is not capable of such reproduction then it is not true hi-fi and in the case of these speakers referred above, how can they be classified high end hi-fi speakers when they are incapable of giving you that lovely spine tingling deep bass that you can actually feel?

I've had the sheer pleasure of being in a theatre when a Wurlitzer pipe organ was being played and some of the bass notes are really deep and prolonged and down in the infrasonic range and speakers that cut off at 40Hz just don't cut the mustard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on March 05, 2018, 10:35:02 pm
Real quality bass is well defined and not just a one note samba that you tend to get the car audio lot whose main aim in life seems to be moving as much air as they can with their sub woofers. Anyone who has been in a large church/hall/theatre where a pipe organ is playing will of course know that part of the deep bass is also the ability to feel the bass in your body and the lower the note, the greater the feel and less actually hearing the note.

Now to my mind, the job of hi-fi and speakers is to try and reproduce the sound and the feeling that you get by being there and if the equipment is not capable of such reproduction then it is not true hi-fi and in the case of these speakers referred above, how can they be classified high end hi-fi speakers when they are incapable of giving you that lovely spine tingling deep bass that you can actually feel?

I've had the sheer pleasure of being in a theatre when a Wurlitzer pipe organ was being played and some of the bass notes are really deep and prolonged and down in the infrasonic range and speakers that cut off at 40Hz just don't cut the mustard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound

Those speakers are total trash. They look like cheap podiums from the 1970s, and they have little horns (an absolute no-no for modern speakers) meaning the drivers are weaker than bluetooth speakers making the sound "hollow". (this would explain the terrible frequency response) I bet those damn things sound like crank phonographs. :-DD
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Canis Dirus Leidy on March 13, 2018, 11:35:31 am
Audiophools don't cease to surprise and bring joy. Vacuum tube clock generator for CD-player. Just for $30, without shipping: http://www.abbasaudio.com/miniatjurnij-lampovij-klok.html (http://www.abbasaudio.com/miniatjurnij-lampovij-klok.html)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Cyberdragon on March 13, 2018, 06:24:05 pm
Audiophools don't cease to surprise and bring joy. Vacuum tube clock generator for CD-player. Just for $30, without shipping: http://www.abbasaudio.com/miniatjurnij-lampovij-klok.html (http://www.abbasaudio.com/miniatjurnij-lampovij-klok.html)

I want one of those (if it actually works). ;D More of a "because it can be done" novelty than anything practical. At least it's cheap, unlike most audiophool crap. Although it would probably be more fun to DIY.

We should send one to Paul Carlson and see if he can figure out what it is. >:D
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Brumby on March 13, 2018, 09:27:07 pm
Real quality bass is well defined and not just a one note samba that you tend to get the car audio lot whose main aim in life seems to be moving as much air as they can with their sub woofers.
... and not just the air, but the boot lid, windows and door panels.

While a few car owners have addressed this, there are so many that drive by and all I can hear is some muffled music (at least I think it's music) from within the vehicle accompanied by the dominant metallic buzz of the boot lid as it alternates between the boot imploding and exploding.

Considering the money put into such systems, I just laugh to myself.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: McBryce on March 14, 2018, 12:54:32 pm
These are the same people who install gold plated battery contacts to connect to lead battery posts, so nothing suprises me in the Car-audiophool world :D

McBryce.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on March 14, 2018, 01:29:29 pm
Real quality bass is well defined and not just a one note samba that you tend to get the car audio lot whose main aim in life seems to be moving as much air as they can with their sub woofers.
... and not just the air, but the boot lid, windows and door panels.

While a few car owners have addressed this, there are so many that drive by and all I can hear is some muffled music (at least I think it's music) from within the vehicle accompanied by the dominant metallic buzz of the boot lid as it alternates between the boot imploding and exploding.

Considering the money put into such systems, I just laugh to myself.

I myself have an upmarket sound system fitted to my car, not an after market option but manufacturers option on the particular model I have and sometimes the bass on it can cause various parts of the car to vibrate and rattle on really deep and high energy bass and thats to be expected. However to go to the extents that some people go to with the whole car being in effect a mass of speakers and huge great power amps in the boot which effectively turns the car into a music system on wheels and thats all its all its good for as there is often no passenger space either, is simply ridiculous.

These nerds will be stone deaf before long...

https://youtu.be/xt8Oe8zq3cM
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on March 14, 2018, 01:46:08 pm
Got one of these. No dancy stuff required :)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0787T8SZD/ (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0787T8SZD/)
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on March 14, 2018, 02:11:24 pm
That's a really cheap unit and I bet it would struggle to deliver the quoted power output and has sky high distortion figures and has poor frequency response to boot.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on March 14, 2018, 02:59:49 pm
It's got a class D amplifier which makes that a perfectly credible specification. I cracked it open - has a Chinese IC in it. Possible to get THD down to 0.03% easily with those. Haven't measured it but it sounds pretty excellent even with shitty Fiat default speakers. And I'm throwing Ralph Vaughan Williams' Lark Ascending performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra through it which has an excessively large dynamic range and no compression.  :-+

The thing is regardless of the promises, it delivers 99% of the performance of something 1000% of the cost which makes it a good value proposition. Good job China  :-+
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: Specmaster on March 14, 2018, 03:06:50 pm
It's got a class D amplifier which makes that a perfectly credible specification. I cracked it open - has a Chinese IC in it. Possible to get THD down to 0.03% easily with those. Haven't measured it but it sounds pretty excellent even with shitty Fiat default speakers. And I'm throwing Ralph Vaughan Williams' Lark Ascending performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra through it which has an excessively large dynamic range and no compression.  :-+

The thing is regardless of the promises, it delivers 99% of the performance of something 1000% of the cost which makes it a good value proposition. Good job China  :-+
Pink Floyd, The Division Bell, Dark Side of The Moon etc?
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: coppice on March 14, 2018, 03:54:19 pm
That's a really cheap unit and I bet it would struggle to deliver the quoted power output and has sky high distortion figures and has poor frequency response to boot.  :popcorn:
OK. How much are you prepared to bet and lose?

Class D amps are an area where Chinese silicon vendors hit a home run. They came up with some really good performers which are very cheap to make. Sometimes these devices get integrated into very poor amp designs, but there are other very respectable performers which are still quite cheap. Maybe in the long term their electrolytics won't prove to have the best longevity, but on day one they work well.
Title: Re: Snake oil
Post by: bd139 on March 14, 2018, 04:16:19 pm