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« on: January 26, 2019, 09:33:12 pm »
https://www.amazon.com/EMF-Radiation-Protection-Cap-blocking/dp/B07C4G45Y2/

best part is, you actually just get shipped a POS plain old hat! perfection.
 
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2019, 11:39:29 am »
Theoretically such a hat can be made. The efficiency has to be tested, but what you need to protect is not only your head. Radio waves can cause cancer on any part of the body.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2019, 07:02:41 pm »
From the same Amazon page, Cell Phone EMF Protection Radiation Neutralizers, they should be locked up!

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2019, 07:23:22 pm »
Radio waves can cause cancer on any part of the body.
Nah. Ionizing radiation can cause cancer. For anything that doesn't have the energy to cause ionization, there is no effect mechanism  known that could cause cancer. There were so many studies done on non-ionizing radiation and there never were any conclusive results that would prove it would cause cancer. If at all, warming up the body tissue may facilitate the growth of cancer cells but that is also true for any other kind of warming.
So normal radio waves up to visible light with a photon energy below 3eV won't cause cancer. Ultraviolet light and anything above (frequency wise,  wavelength < 400nm ) can cause cancer as it's ionizing.
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Re: tin foil hat! v2.0
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2019, 01:51:53 pm »
Lol. I've herd that , tin hats increase radiation by reflecting em back into the head,like radar dish
 

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2019, 03:12:33 pm »
There is a substantial body of evidence that (strongish) RF can and does cause numerous biological changes to occur which can be measured, (often effects that in other contexts are known to cause problems). Nobody who is responsible claims that RF in a cell phone usage context is "harmless" as some people do. OTOH, the benefits we get from cell phones generally are substantial. So for that reason, people have them.

What I think lies at the root of many of the problems is the fact that numerous arguably toxic - most definitely unhealthy environmental factors (various kinds of EMF can be shown to do this) cause reactive oxygen species which act as a form of depletion of a finite resource - glutathione, and at specific moments - gestation/cell differentiation (where ROS impacts expression of two genes Fyn and c-Cbl) is one, and when we get a bit older is another. Non-availability of a substance that is depleted, glutathione, can at times in the life cycle, be crucial.

Without glutathione, apoptopsis (programmed cell death) becomes the only way a cell can prevent otherwise repairable DNA damage from possibly leading to cancers.

And cell division is a finite resource - see "Hayflick Limit" etc.  (An easy way exists to prevent this ROS depletion of glutathione from having as severe an impact as it would otherwise exists, supplementation with its rate-limiting precursor, the amino acid, n-acetylcysteine. (NAC) Irregardless of exposures of any kinds, as we get older the creation of AGE's in our tissue ("glycation") increases the amount of glutathione thats used up unavoidably, so NAC is a smart thing to take extra of for that reason alone.

Note: in several studies, with several changes that occur, some antioxidants may have some protective effect. melatonin  was found in a few studies to be protective against some of the parameters that have been measured. In other words, melatonin taken during the daytime. Not in the evening to reduce sleep latency.

Here is how the IARC puts their summary with regard to some of these non-heat, non-cancer endpoints. Note that the studies looked at by IARC in this particular monograph (102) are also several years old.
It's worth it to read the original studies.

"5 .4 .3  Effects on genes, proteins and signalling
pathways

No   studies   assessing   gene   expression   in   
humans exposed to RF radiation were identified,
and only one pilot study assessed protein changes
in exposed human subjects.
Nearly  30  studies  investigated  gene/protein 
changes  in  rodents  exposed  to  RF  radiation. 
Many of these studies were unreliable due to
deficiencies in the exposure system or
methodological shortcomings. The data from the remaining
studies  are  limited  and  present  mixed  results 
with no consistent pattern of response.

A large number of studies have assessed the
ability  of  RF  radiation  to  affect  gene/protein 
expression  and  protein  activation  in  human-
derived cell lines in vitro
. The majority of studies
assessing  effects  of  RF  radiation  on  expression 
and  activity  of  heat-shock  proteins  reported  no 
effect. A limited number of studies assessed the
ability  of  RF  radiation  to  influence  the  activity 
of signal-transduction pathways in human cells
in  vitro.  Three  studies  found  changes  in  MAPK 
signalling, while another did not. The role of
reactive oxygen species in mediating these responses
is unclear.
A  total  of  16  studies  used  high-throughput 
genomics/proteomics    approaches    to    evaluate   
the  effect  of  exposure  to  RF  radiation  on  human 
cell  lines  in  vitro
.  Many  of  these  studies  had 
serious  methodological  shortcomings  related  to 
poor  exposure  conditions,  inadequate  statistical 
analysis,   and   lack   of   validation   of   alternative   
approaches. The remaining data were limited with
no consistent pattern of response, but some studies
demonstrated  changes  in  both  gene  and  protein 
expression, for some proteins in some cell lines.
On  the  basis  of  the  above  considerations, 
the  Working  Group  concluded  that  data  from 
studies of genes, proteins and changes in cellular
signalling show weak evidence of effects from RF
radiation, but did not provide mechanistic infor
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mation relevant to carcinogenesis in humans.
5 .4 .4  Other mechanistic end-points
Several   potential   changes   resulting   from   
exposure to RF radiation are summarized here.
With the exception of changes in cerebral blood
flow, many of the other studies reviewed by the
Working   Group   provided   conflicting,   nega
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tive or very limited information, which made it
difficult  to  draw  conclusions,  especially  in  rela
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tion to carcinogenesis. These studies focused on
electrical  activity  in  the  brain,  cognitive  func
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tion,  general  sensitivity  to  RF  radiation  and 
alterations  in  brain  biochemistry.  Even  though 
the  relationship  between  alterations  in  cerebral 
blood  flow  during  exposure  to  RF  radiation 
cannot be directly related to carcinogenesis, the
Working  Group  concluded  that  the  available 
data were sufficiently consistent to identify them
as important findings.

Some studies were conducted in experimental
animals to explore the possibility that exposure to
RF radiation in vivo may induce the production of
reactive oxygen species in multiple organs, most
frequently  brain,  but  also  kidney,  liver  and  eye.
 
Markers of oxidative stress included increases in
the  concentration  of  malondialdehyde  (related 
to lipid peroxidation) and nitric oxide, enhanced
activities  of  antioxidant  enzymes  (superoxide 
dismutase,    catalase,    glutathione    peroxidase)   
and  pro-oxidant  enzymes,  and  reductions  in 
glutathione. Many of these studies are weakened
by methodological shortcomings in design, such
as   absence   of   sham-exposed   or   cage-control   
groups,  use  of  mobile  phones  as  the  exposure 
source, and lack of dosimetry.
A  few  studies  in  human  cells 
in  vitro
  evalu
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ated  the  possible  role  of  exposure  to  RF  radia
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tion  in  altering  levels  of  intracellular  oxidants 
or  activities  of  antioxidant  enzymes.  One  study 
showed  a  marginal  effect,  while  other  studies 
demonstrated   an   increase   in   activity   with   
increasing  exposures.  There  were  not  enough 
studies  to  make  a  reasonable  assessment  of  the 
consistency of these findings. Additional studies
addressed  this  issue  in  in-vitro  systems  with 
non-human  cells.  While  most  of  these  did  not 
find changes, one study evaluated the formation
of  DNA  adducts  from  reactive  oxygen  species 
(8-hydroxy-deoxyguanosine)   and   was   able   to   
demonstrate reversal of this effect by melatonin.
While the overall evidence was inconclusive, the
results from in-vitro studies with animal models
raise some concern.
Overall,  the  Working  Group  concluded  that 
there  was  weak  evidence  that  exposure  to  RF 
radiation  affects  oxidative  stress  and  alters  the 
levels of reactive oxygen species.
Numerous studies have assessed the function
of the blood–brain barrier in rodents exposed to
RF  radiation  at  various  intensities.  Consistent 
results  from  one  laboratory  suggest  an  increase 
in  the  permeability  of  the  blood–brain  barrier, 
but  the  majority  of  the  studies,  many  of  which 
aimed  at  replicating  published  results,  failed  to 
observe  any  effect  on  this  point  from  exposure 
to either continuous or pulsed RF radiation. The
evidence that exposure to RF radiation alters the
blood–brain barrier was considered weak.
A few studies dealt with alterations induced
by RF radiation in cell differentiation or induc
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tion  of  apoptosis  in  the  brain  or  other  organs. 
While most of the studies showed an association,
the Working Group was not convinced that these
data were of sufficient scientific rigour to assess
apoptotic  effects  in  these  organs.  An  additional 
14   studies   focused   on   apoptosis   in   cultured   
human cells. Only two studies demonstrated an
increase  in  apoptosis:  one  compared  the  results 
observed in treated cells with controls that were
not subject to the same conditions as the exposed
cells,  while  thermal  effects  may  have  had  an 
impact in the other study. Finally, other in-vitro
studies  with  non-human  cells  gave  essentially 
negative results, with the exception of one study
that  demonstrated  mixed  results.  The  evidence 
that  exposure  to  RF  radiation  alters  apoptosis 
was considered weak.
Multiple  assays 
in  vitro
  were  conducted  to 
test proliferation of primary cells or established
cell  lines  by  analysis  of  cell-cycle  progression 
and thymidine uptake, after exposure to various
intensities of RF radiation at various time intervals. 

Many  of  these  studies  used  small  sample 
sizes  and  description  of  experimental  details 
was lacking in several cases. Studies with positive
results showed increases and decreases in cellular
replication,  and  no  consistent  pattern  could  be 
discerned. The evidence that RF radiation alters
cellular replication was considered weak.
Ornithine    decarboxylase    is    an    enzyme   
involved   in   the   metabolism   of   polyamines,   
which  are  critical  components  of  cellular 
replication and differentiation processes. The activity
of this enzyme was the object of several studies
in  vitro in  human  and  animal  cells  exposed  to 
GSM900  and  GSM1800  signals.  Some  of  these 
studies showed significantly increased ornithine
decarboxylase  activity.  The  result  of  one  study 
suggested  that  ornithine  decarboxylase  activities 
may  be  reduced.  It  was  unclear  how  these 
changes in activity relate to human cancer. There
was  weak  evidence  from  in-vitro  studies  that 
exposure to RF radiation alters ornithine decar
-boxylase activity.
The evidence that exposure to RF radiation, at
intensities below the level of thermal effects, may
produce oxidative stress in brain tissue and may
affect neural functions was considered weak.

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Re: tin foil hat! v2.0
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2019, 03:15:56 pm »
Theoretically such a hat can be made. The efficiency has to be tested, but what you need to protect is not only your head. Radio waves can cause cancer on any part of the body.

Actually radio waves do not cause cancer.  Also, a tin foil hat, if it did anything could also concentrate radio waves into the brain - if it did anything at all. Learn the difference between RF and Ionizing radiation.    RF can harm the body by heating - that's real. What you wrote is not.
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2019, 03:34:09 pm »
The argument that says heating is the only problem caused by RF does not seem to be appropriate any more. Lots of other things can be shown to be happening, and those things are fairly well understood to be problematic in general.

To give one example, creation of reactive oxygen species, is well understood to often become problematic and many decades of research exist on it, so its not reasonable to ignore it in the RF context.

ROS creation and resultant cell damage in some contexts have a signaling function, for example, as a signal to the body it needs to build up more muscles somewhere. However that situation is not applicable to RF exposure.

What needs to happen is that much more needs to be understood about ROS (from all sources) and its effects on the body before we allow peoples - especially involuntary, exposures to it to rise a great deal. That means they should all be treated as cumulative and high amounts of exposure to one source of it should reduce the allowed levels of other sources of ROS exposure, like many chemicals, radiation, mercury vapor from coal, etc.

We're likely already facing a growing threat to human (and animal) reproduction due to this Fyn and c-Cbl issue in particular. It's technically complicated and it does not serve society well to try to hide it.

That problematic reactive oxygen species are created by a very large number of dangerous environmental chemicals, RF, radiation of many kinds, as well as elements like gaseous mercury - levels of which are rapidly rising, means that the sort of policy space land rush thats going on, as various entities basically try to grab as much potentially health impacting policy space to pollute in a great many different manners, as they can, as fast as they can should be halted until we know more. There needs to be a moratorium on deregulation and things that act like it. A moratorium on all policy ratchets.

Glutathione - is a specific chemical made in the body to protect cells, is a resource which is impacted by literally dozens of toxicants and toxicant-like pro-oxidant exposures including RF at the intracellular level, and we already know GSH depletion impacts an unborn child (It can cause serious birth defects) in its mothers womb based on GSH availability even at 'environmentally relevant' levels of common toxicants.

We know that because feeding a mother GSH's precursor, NAC, prevents the adverse effect.

Our understanding of all this is moving forward, but big holes exist in our knowledge that need to be filled. Its unwise to try to rush forward before we know more.

In this larger context, where policy ratchets make re-regulation impossible (that is a big mistake) we still may be facing a situation where its wise to pull back on a bunch of different things, (we don't know yet)

Given that, its just unwise to try to pretend RF exposure is a settled issue, when it isn't. Its one of a cluster of related issues that all should be considered - and regulated, together.
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Re: tin foil hat! v2.0
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2019, 05:14:22 pm »
Ionizing radiation can create oxygen radicals while non-ionizing radiation can't. The borderline here is pretty clear and well understood. Of course there are tons of other things that might cause gene damage through radicals or other means, but let's not mix things up. There still is no evidence whatsoever and no effect mechanism known how non-ionizing radiation could cause gene damage. Stating anything else is speculation at best.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2019, 05:38:11 pm »
Could you please elaborate what you are saying in a bit more detail?

If I characterized what you are claiming below as you saying that 'no amount of RF is likely to cause any health related detrimental effect on health' would I be accurate or not?

I don't want to put any words in your mouth. I don't like it when others try to do that to me, so I won't do it here.

Are you saying that in terms of regulation, since in your opinion, there are no adverse health effects, except ones related perhaps to heating, that there should be no limits on RF beyond ones which use temperature rise as their measuring stick?

You should know that in fact there are lots of other, measurable impacts. Its not as cut and dried as you claim. Not by a long shot. Is that still your position?

Ionizing radiation can create oxygen radicals while non-ionizing radiation can't. The borderline here is pretty clear and well understood. Of course there are tons of other things that might cause gene damage through radicals or other means, but let's not mix things up. There still is no evidence whatsoever and no effect mechanism known how non-ionizing radiation could cause gene damage. Stating anything else is speculation at best.

If you learn more about the chemistry of oxidative stress that would be helpful to understanding exactly what it means to cells, where it matters.

pro-oxidant environmental chemicals impact on Fyn and c-Cbl is critically dependent on adequate levels of glutathione in early stages of life (while a embryo's precursor cells are rapidly dividing and turning into whatever they will become - in a process of cell differentiation.) And very sensitive to its lack of availability at that point.

Thats a completely different thing than the creation of DNA repair adducts (cell damage, possibly leading to cancers) typically much later in life, another stage in life where non-availability of glutathione is dangerous, and much more common because of the Schiff reaction and glycation of our body's tissues. (in a sense, our 'meat' undergoes a similar change to what would happen if it had been cooked, causing systemic inflammation and a using up, an unavoidable using up of more GSH.)
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2019, 05:59:41 pm »
Could you please elaborate what you are saying in a bit more detail?
I think I did that already.

If I characterized what you are claiming below as you saying that 'no amount of RF is likely to cause any health related detrimental effect on health' would I be accurate or not?
I don't want to put any words in your mouth. I don't like it when others try to do that to me, so I won't do it here.
Well, putting my statements this way would be the definition of putting words in my mouth. Nobody would argue that playing around with a magnetron can cause severe damage. But it's actually heat damage, not gene damage as ionizing radiation like X-rays or even ultraviolet light can do.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2019, 06:08:22 pm »
Right!

If a transmitter was directly beneath you and the wavelength was pretty short, a conical reflector (like a horn) or a corner cube shape made up of three perpendicular surfaces of RF reflective material (like the corner of a box) indeed likely would reflect the RF back in the direction from whence it had come increasing the RF density immediately below itself.
Lol. I've herd that , tin hats increase radiation by reflecting em back into the head,like radar dish

I don't know for sure if anything like an RF protective suit exists, (say, for working on antennas while they are pumping signals?) which would be likely to enclose the head as well, but frankly, I would be surprised if they didn't. Of course, they would likely also reflect your body's heat so I would suspect they would be uncomfortably hot in warm weather. Still, much preferable to being microwaved, literally.

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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2019, 06:15:48 pm »
There is a substantial body of evidence that (strongish) RF can and does cause numerous biological changes to occur which can be measured, and which cause problems. Nobody who is responsible claims that its harmless as some people here do. OTOH, the levels at which this occurs are disputed.

RF Exposure causes heat, it does so in different types of tissue depending on wavelength.  Heat damages tissues.  The heat is (of course) in proportion to power levels.   

There is a lot written about this. You should read it before you ramble on.  Yes, RF Exposure should be treated with respect AND KNOWLEDGE which is part of respect.

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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2019, 09:36:28 pm »
This a BIG  :palm:
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2019, 10:08:53 pm »
Why the urgency? Making decisions that could impact the health of so many people is a huge responsibility.

I'm sorry, the 'Trust us, we're experts' approach doesn't cut it in science any more than it does in real life.

Official panels, such as the one that published an official sounding report in the UK recently, especially have a responsibility to be accurate.

This is an analysis of how accurately they portrayed the research which they cited, what they included and what they left out. 

You can look up the papers and see for yourself if the panel was telling the truth about the conclusions they cited.  The paper is entitled:

Inaccurate official assessment of radiofrequency safety by the Advisory Group on Non-ionising Radiation. and it can be found on PubMed at
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27902455

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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2019, 02:01:25 am »
At least it doesn't look like a colander.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2019, 04:05:57 pm »
Why the urgency? Making decisions that could impact the health of so many people is a huge responsibility.

I'm sorry, the 'Trust us, we're experts' approach doesn't cut it in science any more than it does in real life.


So you are advocating for "Trust us we are not even educated on the subject"?   Nobody is asking anyone to trust someone merely because they are experts.  However you have to read and understand the science.  That's available to you but instead you offer silly rhetoric, not any thoughts for what you write.   You really should read the subject.  You have not.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2019, 04:32:50 pm »
Did you even read the official UK government report they are criticizing? You should read it, read its references, and then read the criticism of it's biased reporting of same. Once you've done that, then you should repost. It seems to me that you don't even understand what I was saying.


Why the urgency? Making decisions that could impact the health of so many people is a huge responsibility.

I'm sorry, the 'Trust us, we're experts' approach doesn't cut it in science any more than it does in real life.


So you are advocating for "Trust us we are not even educated on the subject"?   Nobody is asking anyone to trust someone merely because they are experts.  However you have to read and understand the science.  That's available to you but instead you offer silly rhetoric, not any thoughts for what you write.   You really should read the subject.  You have not.


I do read the scientific literature, frequently, and generally, I understand it well enough to discuss it intelligently.

Anybody should be able to follow the steps I outlined above and see what the paper is getting at.

Read it and the panel report they are examining, and the references the panel cited, and then ask yourself, did the official panel accurately summarize that research, or not, did they attempt to communicate the results they cited accurately, or not? 
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2019, 07:55:58 pm »
This is an analysis of how accurately they portrayed the research which they cited, what they included and what they left out. 

You can look up the papers and see for yourself if the panel was telling the truth about the conclusions they cited.  The paper is entitled:

Inaccurate official assessment of radiofrequency safety by the Advisory Group on Non-ionising Radiation. and it can be found on PubMed at
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27902455

Written by Sarah J. Starkey, an "independent researcher" with no scientific affiliation, who does not seem to have published anything else on radiofrequency safety.

Sorry cdev. This is obviously a pet topic of yours, but you don't have much street cred with me on this one. The increasing use of boldface in your posts does not help.  :P
 

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2019, 08:17:27 pm »
Except the points made by Ms. Starkey are good ones, as you can see if you read the advisory panel report, read the papers its citing, and see how she identifies what has been left out. She's undeniably right. And there is no excuse for it. They were clearly trying to mislead their readership.
As thats the criticism, its right.

What does she say that's wrong, in your opinion? Could you identify it for me, specifically?

This is an analysis of how accurately they portrayed the research which they cited, what they included and what they left out. 

You can look up the papers and see for yourself if the panel was telling the truth about the conclusions they cited.  The paper is entitled:

Inaccurate official assessment of radiofrequency safety by the Advisory Group on Non-ionising Radiation. and it can be found on PubMed at
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27902455

Written by Sarah J. Starkey, an "independent researcher" with no scientific affiliation, who does not seem to have published anything else on radiofrequency safety.

Sorry cdev. This is obviously a pet topic of yours, but you don't have much street cred with me on this one. The increasing use of boldface in your posts does not help.  :P
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2019, 08:53:23 pm »
Except the points made by Ms. Starkey are good ones, [...].

What does she say that's wrong, in your opinion? Could you identify it for me, specifically?

Skimming the article backwards, the first passage that caught my eye was on page 498, right column. Mrs. Starkey refers to a study which examined the potential benefits of RF therapy in mice with Alzheimer-type disease. And she concludes that the observed health benefits were potentially due to the fact that the mice were kept in shielded cages during the intervals between radiation exposure, so they were shielded from all that nasty environmental background radiation.

That's tinfoil hat territory, clearly. I don't think I am interested enough to read further.
 

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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2019, 10:08:58 pm »
From the same Amazon page, Cell Phone EMF Protection Radiation Neutralizers, they should be locked up!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HIT4QXM

check this review for that product  :-DD

My friend who is a certified nutritional counselor tested me on these and it really does work. She understands how to do muscle testing because she does this for foods, etc and she does it with her clients. She also helped me to understand about homeopathy and neutralizing verses blocking and why these don't change the EMF meters because they are "neutralizing" the damaging effects. So glad she showed me how these work. I now have a new and better understanding of the dangers of EMF's.

 

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Re: tin foil hat! v2.0
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2019, 10:48:12 pm »

Oh my goodness, for the sake of completeness, I went - I just went looking, for those studies on Alzheimers and I found them.

They are easy to find.
There are a number of them. I don't know enough about this to weigh in on it.
One paper theorizes that an observed effect (reduction) of some kinds of RF on beta-amyloid pathology may be due to RF modulation of levels of "transthyretin".

Read them for yourself.  Here is another..  this looks interesting. If this turns out to be helpful, thats great. Alzheimers is a horrible disease.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25505755

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4204502/  <<< Full text

    Format: Abstract

Journal of Biomedical and Physical Engineering. 2013 Sep 17;3(3):109-12. eCollection 2013 Sep.

Exposure to mobile phone radiation opens new horizons in Alzheimer's disease treatment.
Mortazavi S, Shojaei-Fard M, Haghani M, Shokrpour N, Mortazavi S.


Abstract

Alzheimer's disease, the most common type of dementia and a progressive neurodegenerative disease, occurs when the nerve cells in the brain die. Although there are medications that can help delay the development of Alzheimer's disease, there is currently no cure for this disease. Exposure to ionizing and non-ionizing radiation may cause adverse health effects such as cancer.  Looking at the other side of the coin, there are reports indicating stimulatory or beneficial effects after exposure to cell phone radiofrequency radiation. Mortazavi et al. have previously reported some beneficial cognitive effects such as decreased reaction time after human short-term exposure to cell phone radiation or occupational exposure to radar microwave radiation. On the other hand, some recent reports have indicated that RF radiation may have a role in protecting against cognitive impairment in Alzheimer's disease. Although the majority of these data come from animal studies that cannot be easily extrapolated to humans, it can be concluded that this memory enhancing approach may open new horizons in treatment of cognitive impairment in Alzheimer disease.

KEYWORDS:

Alzheimer; Microwave; Mobile Phone; Non-Ionizing Radiation; Radiofrequency (RF)

PMID:
    25505755
PMCID:
    PMC4204502


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Is that relevant? Well, I don't know. But I can tell you, as its something Ive read a fair enough about, very low (DC) voltages can be shown to both promote and inhibit neuron growth, depending on where they are applied. Electrical currents are biologically active, this should be obvious as its been known for a long long time. Just deal with it.

 
Except the points made by Ms. Starkey are good ones, [...].

What does she say that's wrong, in your opinion? Could you identify it for me, specifically?

Skimming the article backwards, the first passage that caught my eye was on page 498, right column. Mrs. Starkey refers to a study which examined the potential benefits of RF therapy in mice with Alzheimer-type disease. And she concludes that the observed health benefits were potentially due to the fact that the mice were kept in shielded cages during the intervals between radiation exposure, so they were shielded from all that nasty environmental background radiation.

That's tinfoil hat territory, clearly. I don't think I am interested enough to read further.



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Re: tin foil hat! v2.0
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2019, 04:35:17 pm »
There are indications Alzheimers is related to gum disease.

Anyway, localized non-ionizing radiation is a problem, because it can induce changes in the tissues.  It is not damage; it is tissue adaptation to the presence of added (thermal) energy.  As the adaptation is a slow process, it is a long-term exposure issue, and very difficult to pare out from statistical data.  It is also likely the amount of energy is not as big a factor as the gradient is.  (So, a big space heater you sit in front of every day is unlikely to cause any tissue changes, but a small warm rock you keep in the same pocket every day all day may be. That sort of adaptation is extremely common in evolutionary terms: skin callouses, for example.  As an organ, skin has evolved to deal with that sort of stress/damage; your internal organs haven't. Except for the liver, which also deals with constant biological stress by filtering out toxins etc. from your blood, and is pretty good at regenerating itself.)

Instead of tin foil foolery, all you need to do defuse those risks with cell phones is to not store the thing in your pocket next to your gonads all day every day.  Considering current RF energy levels, just a few inches is likely enough to completely defuse those risks (because r2).  Besides, when keeping it e.g. on your desk, its antenna is better placed without surrounding materials absorbing the RF EM, which means the device uses less power for transmission, and your batteries will last longer too.
 

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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2019, 05:34:53 pm »
Oral health is really important in reducing systemic inflammation. Periodontal health is really important for vascular health generally. Incidences of 'dementia' of all kinds are linked to vascular health.

Gum disease = bacteria that enter the bloodstream and cause inflammation, including neuroinflammation.

All sorts of inflammatory biomarkers which are tied to Alzheimers are influenced by oral health.

A growing body of evidence shows that curcumin, the active constituent in turmeric, seems to prevent the development of Alzheimers in people who get a lot of it. It also likely improves gum health.

Dozens of phytonutrients impact the gums and have activity against bacteria and fungi. They are just as useful against multidrug resistant bacteria as they are against other bacteria. They offer promise of helping treat antibiotic resistant bacteria.

I'm sure I will get criticism from some folks here for saying this, because it sounds sort of new-agey, but its a fact that plants - our fellow living things, have developed numerous technologies, which we likely are only beginning to learn. They deserve the credit.
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There are indications Alzheimers is related to gum disease.
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is to not store the thing in your pocket next to your gonads all day every day. 


Shouldn't that be obvious to people!
But somehow it isn't.
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.....Considering current RF energy levels, just a few inches is likely enough to completely defuse those risks (because r2). 


It seems to me that in order to sell many phones legally in the past, they had to offer some solution so that people could carry the phones a bit farther from their bodies. Although they don't any more, it still would be a smart idea to do so.

Besides, when keeping it e.g. on your desk, its antenna is better placed without surrounding materials absorbing the RF EM, which means the device uses less power for transmission, and your batteries will last longer too.

Yup, and use a hands-free headset if you spend a lot of time on cell phones.
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