WeSupergreen Energy. Genius or Scam

[JayDubya]

Hey guys/gals, I just wanted to get confirmation of my deductions from some experts here. So please… be gentle.

It is hard to pinpoint what exactly this company is claiming but they do have a patent. It seems to me they are marketing one thing but their patent isn’t exactly what they are marketing. I believe it’s a (not so) fresh spin on perpetual/free energy… thus a very gutsy hoax.
 
Seems they are trying to ride the renewable energy wave/hype/desperation and raise capital and now they are trying to go public (maybe).

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https://WeSupergreen.com
Here is one of their schematics. Which to me shows nothing of note basically. “Tesdison” is their ground breaking technology according to their website.




Here is the patent:

https://uspto.report/patent/grant/10,547,179



They had a NTS test done but did not actually post the test. Just the signed page of the NTS report.

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https://wesupergreen.com/we-sge-tesdison-test-results/

What do you think? To me it seems pretty obvious scam. But maybe I’m getting confused by their marketing as they do have a patent after all.

Anyhow if anyone looks at this and can help me make sense of it… thanks in advance.

[james_s]

Self-charging unit? Sealed black box that self destructs if opened? Do you even really need to ask? Of course it's just another over-unity scam.

[JayDubya]

Hah yes. My reaction as well. The blatancy is what struck and caused me pause. “Surely they aren’t risking prison and huge monetary penalties on this.” But I guess they are. Should be an entertaining story to follow nonetheless. Hopefully not that many investors get burned. 

[Ian.M]

The burden of proof for any 'free energy' device is extremely large. A suitable procedure could be:

Weigh it, then put it on a moveable Perspex stand so there can be no concealed feed to it and let it power a resistive load bank through a traceably calibrated energy meter^* at a high enough power for long enough^# to eliminate any possibility its any sort of known battery, then finally weigh it again, all under the supervision of at least three professionally qualified independent observers.

Oddly enough, none of the 'free energy'/'over unity' kooks and scammers are willing to pay for such testing to be done on their devices, or show continuous footage of such a test, moving to get enough camera angles to make fakery unlikely, and if anyone tries to arrange for such testing to be done, their devices are mysteriously out of order or unavailable.

This article on the USPTO and perpetual motion patents may be of interest: https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2011/10/11/the-patent-law-of-perpetual-motion/id=19828/

* Some 'inventers' have deceived others and even themselves with pulsed currents or voltages that exceed the capabilities of their instrumentation to accurately record, so one would also need to monitor waveforms on a scope to check that the current or voltage crest factor doesn't exceed that permitted by the energy meter's specifications.

# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density_Extended_Reference_Table

[daqq]

The fact that they have a patent means that they filled out a form and it did not get shot down by a bored patent clerk. There's a host of nonsense patents.

Quickly looking over their patent (might have missed something) it seems that they are not so much as patenting their self charging thingie or energy booster thingie, but rather some heftier, but normal UPS.

Only 3 pages of the 39 page NTS report are shown. Two of those seem to be in a notably different style than the first page.

Seems very scamy, buyer and investor beware.

[JayDubya]

Thanks for checking it out. It’s been a long while since I looked at a circuit diagram but that’s the gist I got as well by looking at the patent and then comparing it to their claims. Again I’m just shocked at the guts of these people at how far they are pushing this. I suppose they are hoping it will be hard to prove malice. Interesting the “genius” inventor is rather absent.

[SiliconWizard]

No discharge time – perpetual energy delivers 24/7

The self-charging energy platform generates power at up to an amazing 99% efficiency, which is unheard of in the renewable energy sector.

 

But if you're not convinced yet...

Investing in renewable energy promises excellent returns socially, environmentally and economically.

That's for sure.

[JayDubya]

Some of the companies other products. A product suite of scam tech? Wow

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https://weworldenergy.com

[SiliconWizard]

Yeah well. The whole world itself is becoming a scam. 

[Ranayna]

Lol, not just water, but "glacial water". 

[james_s]

I noticed that too. If you want glacial water it has to come from a glacier, there are lots of other ways to get pure clean water but it's still not glacial.

[Ian.M]

Well theoretically you could have a water purifier feeding a snow machine feeding a miniature glacier, however you'd have to wait a very long time for your first cup of glacier water out, as it isn't a glacier unless the ice mass is (or was) experiencing plastic flow solely due to its mass and the action of gravity, and with a very limited mass of ice, said plastic flow will be *EXTREMELY* slow! 

[xrunner]

Functionality
The two 12-volt batteries deliver the initial power to get the system cycling. Energy flows from the two batteries to a DC Electric Motor which powers the Generator. The Generator puts out a steady power supply of 110VAC. This power is directed by the AI Chipset Charger to charge both batteries though an internal Inverter.

Finally, the Inverter converts the 12-volt power from the 2 batteries to 110 VAC of clean power supply. In this test, we used two simple household appliances to consume the capacity; an Iron and an A/C unit.

This technology has proven to increase the output of the initial stored voltage and amps exponentially, effectively creating additional energy capacity.

https://wesupergreen.com/we-sge-tesdison-test-results/

 

(My bolding)

So sorry - cannot happen. Oh, unless they can create a microuniverse with new laws of physics. 

Oh wait - they got an AI chipset - sorry maybe I spoke too soon ...

[JayDubya]

“…generates pure glacial water anywhere and anytime at a fraction of the cost”

Fraction compared to what? Towing a glacier?

[ebastler]

Maybe I am seeing ghosts here, but this whole thread might just be an unusually elaborate version of link spamming.

We have had examples before where the spammer put their links in a context of criticizing the product. Doesn't matter to them, since it's not about attracting forum users to the site in order to sell products directly. It's all about improving their site's Google page rank, via links from highly ranked sites like eevblog.com, and links placed in a critical context work just as well for that.

This particular thread would be unusual in that the original poster took the effort to come back over several days, engage in dialog, and thank a couple of posts from others. But he certainly dropped plenty of links (to HTML pages and images), registered on the forum directly before making the first post, and has not contributed to any other topics.

Should we ask to mods to remove all links and replace them by plain text references to the URLs only? That would keep the information intact for human readers, but make the links useless for a spamming attempt.

@JayDubya -- come to think of it, could you edit your posts to change the links to plain text? That would dispel any concerns that you might be a spammer. Thanks!

[JayDubya]

Maybe I am seeing ghosts here, but this whole thread might just be an unusually elaborate version of link spamming.

We have had examples before where the spammer put their links in a context of criticizing the product. Doesn't matter to them, since it's not about attracting forum users to the site in order to sell products directly. It's all about improving their site's Google page rank, via links from highly ranked sites like eevblog.com, and links placed in a critical context work just as well for that.

This particular thread would be unusual in that the original poster took the effort to come back over several days, engage in dialog, and thank a couple of posts from others. But he certainly dropped plenty of links (to HTML pages and images), registered on the forum directly before making the first post, and has not contributed to any other topics.

Should we ask to mods to remove all links and replace them by plain text references to the URLs only? That would keep the information intact for human readers, but make the links useless for a spamming attempt.

@JayDubya -- come to think of it, could you edit your posts to change the links to plain text? That would dispel any concerns that you might be a spammer. Thanks!

Sure. Np

Done. However, they still look like hyperlinks though my browser. Good to know you don’t really need the “[url]” stuff anyway.

I’m not associated with the company, for whatever that is worth.

Last edit: if anything else let me know. Also, I’ve thanked every post. How dare you.

[Ian.M]

Unfortunately SMF forums converts anything that 'smells' like a URL to a hyperlink unless you break the  URL till it no longer 'smells' URLish.  URLs broken with spaces or by replacing the dots are incredibly annoying so please don't do that.  Instead wrap the URL in SMF BBCODE code tags, which you can get from the forum's full editor toolbar [#] button, (mouseover 'Insert Code') or type them manually^* as:

[code] URL goes here [/code]

which hides it from the hyperlinkifier, but still lets us select the URL text and right-click copy/paste or even go to it.

e.g.

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https://wesupergreen.com/we-sge-tesdison-test-results/
* Do *NOT* copy the visible 'code tags' above as I used BBCODE syntax breakers to show them rather than their result.

[JayDubya]

Alright there you go. Thanks.

[CatalinaWOW]

To me the real proof that this is a scam is that almost all of the block diagram that they provide is not necessary if their magic box actually works.  Why go to the trouble of connecting with the grid and doing all the associated switching etc.?  It is the standard magicians misdirection trick.

[james_s]

To me the real proof that this is a scam is that almost all of the block diagram that they provide is not necessary if their magic box actually works.  Why go to the trouble of connecting with the grid and doing all the associated switching etc.?  It is the standard magicians misdirection trick.

Yeah, if you can't blind them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit. There's even a classic pitfall the over-unity guys often fall into themselves, they add enough complexity to the system that they fool themselves into believing it could work by obfuscating the gotchas where the laws of energy screw everything up.

[SiliconWizard]

Yes, but I admit this one has something.
The "Sealed black box, self-destruction if opened" is hilarious. Thank you guys!

[james_s]

Yes, but I admit this one has something.
The "Sealed black box, self-destruction if opened" is hilarious. Thank you guys!

Is it lead lined too? Because some of us have access to xray machines.

[JayDubya]

And… the saga continues 

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/08/24/2285696/0/en/Global-Tech-Industries-Group-Inc-We-Supergreen-Energy-Corp-and-the-We-SuperGreen-Energy-Corp-Shareholders-Enter-into-Definitive-Letter-Agreement.html

Under the terms of the Letter Agreement, GTII will acquire 100% of the issued and outstanding capital stock of WSGE from the WSGE Shareholders, which will result in WSGE becoming a wholly-owned subsidiary of GTII at the closing of the transaction, which the parties anticipate will occur on or before December 30th, 2021 (the “Closing”). The Closing is subject to customary and specific terms and conditions contained in the Letter Agreement.

[SiliconWizard]

And... looking at the buyer, you'll have as much fun: http://gtii-us.com/
 

[Gregg]

I see a great retirement scheme in action here:   
Study the field of gullible companies with capital to throw away then dream up a silly free energy scheme with new or remixed elements.  Market the hell out of your ideas on all available inexpensive platforms.  Be sure to get your plan noticed by previously mentioned gullible companies and sell at the most reasonable offer. 
Then take the money and run.