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Offline rachaelp

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #550 on: February 25, 2018, 03:58:35 pm »
Apart from the subscription, which is a no go for us, there's another problem since autodesk took over Eagle.
There are no stable versions anymore. Every new version comes with some bugfixes, but also with new bugs.
You report them, they fix it in a newer version which contains again new bugs...

This WAS true up until the 8.4.x releases. Since then they have implemented a bug fix only in minor point releases policy. So new features (and bugs) arrive in x.y.0 releases and only bug fixes in the minor point releases after that. Since this policy, the latest point release of each revision has been considerably better than earlier 8.x releases which were not so stable.

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #551 on: March 22, 2018, 07:48:55 pm »
Online, subscription based software, what could possibly go wrong  :palm:
The difference between theory and practice is less in theory than
the difference between theory and practice in practice.
Expensive tools cannot compensate for lack of experience.
 
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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #552 on: March 22, 2018, 08:33:36 pm »
... and that happens if you have to meet a deadline and need to change something like a transistor type because the original one isn't available for the next 6 months.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #553 on: March 22, 2018, 09:09:19 pm »
But... but... allowing third parties to insert artificial points of failure into your business processes is what all the cool kids are doing these days!
 
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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #554 on: March 22, 2018, 09:53:58 pm »
I'm not going to say... Oh hell yes I am - I told you so, repeatedly.
Anybody got a syringe I can use to squeeze the magic smoke back into this?
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #555 on: March 22, 2018, 10:38:50 pm »
But... but... allowing third parties to insert artificial points of failure into your business processes is what all the cool kids are doing these days!

Telling people this would 100% happen at unknown times has been |O  |O  |O

Because it's just freaking obvious this can happen and will happen. If it's not obvious, then sadly that person is just not mentally equipped to understand. If they do understand but don't care, then they're just using the software as a toy rather than a tool.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #556 on: March 22, 2018, 11:37:52 pm »
I decided to actually see if I was being overly paranoid about this whole Eagle thing, so I've spoken to all my clients about it.  They've assured me it's perfectly fine for me to deliver on our contracts late, or even never, as long as it was due to a third party.

Wow, what a relief!  I've been so wrong for such a long time!
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #557 on: March 22, 2018, 11:53:16 pm »
When does Eagle stop working entirely? Never.

All files are local and you can work for a very long time with no internet. When my internet is dead for a few hours I am busted in so many ways, Eagle is the last of my concerns.

All that coming from a person very critical of Eagle.

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #558 on: March 23, 2018, 06:23:41 am »
Eagle also very rarely unexpectedly stops working. When working with Altium I have seen the error handling mechanism in action a few dozen times.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #559 on: March 23, 2018, 03:08:47 pm »
I have a solid list of gripes with Eagle, but fortunately stability is not one of them. On the rare occasions that Eagle has crashed, the data is generally intact.

There have been a few occasions over a number of years where the relationship between the schematic and layout files has been damaged. I tend to save bread crumb versions with different names in addition to the automatic backups - so recovery is not terrible. Overall, good reliability.

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #560 on: April 23, 2018, 08:35:29 am »
on a mission to tell everyone I know that life is too precious to use Eagle.
:-DD
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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #561 on: April 26, 2018, 11:32:06 pm »
All files are local and you can work for a very long time with no internet. When my internet is dead for a few hours I am busted in so many ways, Eagle is the last of my concerns.

I always find this hilarious.  People can't work without the internet....  I spend 2-3 months away at a time often without a phone let alone internet.  One very quickly works out what is "needed" vs what is "nice to have" ...  The real amusing part is to watch student geologists come out - that is as entertaining as hell.  :)
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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #562 on: April 27, 2018, 02:12:09 am »
All files are local and you can work for a very long time with no internet. When my internet is dead for a few hours I am busted in so many ways, Eagle is the last of my concerns.

I always find this hilarious.  People can't work without the internet....  I spend 2-3 months away at a time often without a phone let alone internet.  One very quickly works out what is "needed" vs what is "nice to have" ...  The real amusing part is to watch student geologists come out - that is as entertaining as hell.  :)

I can enjoy life without internet, phone, TV, etc.... not a problem.


Engineering with a distributed team spread all over the world....not so much. I need data to feed the engineering process constantly. From datasheets to pricing. Things don't completely stop, but relative to the speed expected in our modern world it may as well be stopped.
Eagle is an engineering tool and engineering in our modern world (professionally) is not practical without an internet connection.
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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #563 on: May 10, 2018, 08:53:11 pm »
https://www.autodesk.com/products/artcam/overview

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As of February 7, 2018, Autodesk will officially discontinue ArtCAM as an individual product. As of that date, there will not be any further releases or development for ArtCAM and product updates will no longer be delivered.

Customers who have an active ArtCAM subscription can continue to renew until July 7, 2018.

Perpetual licenses

Customers who have a perpetual license of ArtCAM on maintenance can continue to renew their maintenance plan or choose to use their license without maintenance.

ArtCAM was a large, capable, and well-known tool in the CNC operator world. It was announced EOL this year, with only 5 months to locate, purchase, train up, and convert existing parts to a different program before the subscription-based licenses would start self-destructing.

Meanwhile, the announcement above admits that permanent license holders will be able to keep using the abandoned software as long as necessary while making a switch to another program.

Not sure why I bother pointing out that SaaS is harmful to customers, the companies doing this are openly pointing out why permanent licensing is better in their own product-kill press releases!  :-DD
 
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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #564 on: May 11, 2018, 01:14:24 am »

Not sure why I bother pointing out that SaaS is harmful to customers, the companies doing this are openly pointing out why permanent licensing is better in their own product-kill press releases!  :-DD

This week I've officially begun my migration away from Eagle over to KiCad, and have found it to be generally painless (biggest pain being the development of new libraries for my components). I've been, in general, very happy with Eagle but the Rent-ware aspect just keeps showing itself to be a needless risk.  :-//
 
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