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$2 for 10 PCB's!
« on: June 20, 2017, 10:10:08 am »
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https://easyeda.com/order
+$7.30 for Airmail but still  :o
 
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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2017, 11:07:12 am »
There is something fishy about their price calculator. For some sizes & quantities it quickly jumps to much higher prices.
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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 01:37:28 pm »
For 10cm*10cm, our price is the bottom, but for any others size, EasyEDA PCB order cost all the best.


Free for frist order will provide soon.

EasyEDA is 6 years old https://easyeda.com/editor# , we provide PCB design tool, PCB order, and components order https://lcsc.com/

EasyEDA is acquired by JLC PCB, JLC PCB  is the largest PCB prototype enterprise in China .


Soon , the supper fast PCBA service will on line soon.

Lots of PCB order sites use JLC service to fab PCB, then sell to others.

EasyEDA PCB price almost the same of the Chinese site.
paypal get 4%, and some others get n%

A few years ago,  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/*easyeda-web-based-eda-official-support-topic*/

 
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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2017, 01:43:28 pm »
For 10cm*10cm, our price is the bottom, but for any others size, EasyEDA PCB order cost all the best.


Free for frist order will provide soon.

EasyEDA is 6 years old https://easyeda.com/editor# , we provide PCB design tool, PCB order, and components order https://lcsc.com/

EasyEDA is acquired by JLC PCB, JLC PCB  is the largest PCB prototype enterprise in China .


Soon , the supper fast PCBA service will on line soon.

Lots of PCB order sites use JLC service to fab PCB, then sell to others.

EasyEDA PCB price almost the same of the Chinese site.
paypal get 4%, and some others get n%

A few years ago,  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/*easyeda-web-based-eda-official-support-topic*/

Are you with EasyEDA...? Not sure what to think given the grammar and spelling of the post.  :-DD
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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2017, 01:52:14 pm »
Yes,  It is excited to see the big BOSS to post this topic and forget to check.
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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 03:13:11 pm »
By default, on the order page, 5 PCBs and 10 PCBs cost the same, is this the same (is price for 5 pcbs = price for 10 pcbs) for all choices (size, material etc)?
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2017, 09:35:48 pm »
There is something fishy about their price calculator. For some sizes & quantities it quickly jumps to much higher prices.
that happened to every cheap pcb makers online i've entered. each one of them have this sweet spot pcb size and quantity that they promoted at very cheap, usually just a small size for innocent noobs. once you get pass that size, the price will go up like crazy. thats why i stick with homebrew pcb etchant.
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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 12:01:54 am »
The vast majority of PCBs I've made are within the size range that they are ridiculously cheap to have made. I hardly ever etch my own boards at home anymore, only when I need something right away. If it needs to be larger than about 10cmx10cm then it's probably more complex than I want to deal with etching at home. Vias are a pain on double sided boards, and small pitch SMT ICs are pushing the limits of what I can etch at home. I've done some boards with 0.5mm pitch ICs but it's difficult to get a good etch.
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2017, 03:14:36 am »
Recently used EasyEDA to have some boards made.   220mm x 120mm, 2 layer, 2oz copper, Qty of 5. 
Did a good job.  Arrived in a reasonable timeframe.   The boards weren't ultra complex but look good to me, and more importantly worked fine.
The shipping cost was a little high at approx $48 (aud) by DHL, but of course DHL are not cheap.
Their online Gerber preview works really well too.

If you have some small boards to be made, at this price point, it is an absolute bargain.
 
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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2017, 12:07:12 pm »
I had a number of design errors on my current version of one of my projects so decided to fix those and submit an order just for fun.

I sent my order off 26th June and around 5th July I have the boards back.

Look fine, although a bit thicker than I expected... possibly pressed the wrong box on the order form. 

My only gripe is that some number was added to the silkscreen but that's not a real issue.

Recommended.

(It was US$11 all in.  $2 PCB and $9 being the P&P)... or £8.95 in real money (after Paypal charges etc)
« Last Edit: July 08, 2017, 12:12:03 pm by NivagSwerdna »
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2017, 12:11:31 am »
Looks like they still charge $2 even you choose to let them panel your PCB.
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2017, 12:31:54 am »
@NivagSwerdna,

a lot of component designators are missing. Is that your fault or EasyEDA ? Also, is that solder mask covering the pads ?
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2017, 02:39:34 am »
at 2,5, or 10 dollars the price is irellevent.  How easy they are to deal with is key.
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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2017, 10:54:35 am »
a lot of component designators are missing. Is that your fault or EasyEDA ? Also, is that solder mask covering the pads ?
I only have a few designation showing... that is intentional.  All pads are clear of mask.  I've since partially assembled it and it works fine, so electrically good too. I'm happy.
(It has holes in it too... that's by design as well :))
« Last Edit: July 14, 2017, 10:57:43 am by NivagSwerdna »
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2017, 07:45:43 pm »
Cool!

JLC is my go to board house when I'm in China. I've made around 10 orders with them from 10 pcs 5x5 cm to 25 pcs 20x30 cm. No problems. The standard price in China for 10 pcs 10x10 cm is 50 RMB. You probably shouldn't expect much in terms of service, it's not that kind of board house. I've tried the Chinese version of LCSC too. Not the most complete selection of course, but cheap on a lot of stuff. Even more so with alternative brands e.g:

https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Micro-USB-Connectors_ValuePro_micro-USBFemale_MICRO-USB-5S-B-Type-horns-High-temperature_C10418.html
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/amphenol-fci/10118194-0001LF/609-4618-1-ND/2785382

 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2017, 07:49:50 pm »
They can't be making any profit with these prices, i feel there is a storm coming and some fabs won't survive it.
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2017, 09:40:19 pm »
Cool!

JLC is my go to board house when I'm in China. I've made around 10 orders with them from 10 pcs 5x5 cm to 25 pcs 20x30 cm. No problems. The standard price in China for 10 pcs 10x10 cm is 50 RMB. You probably shouldn't expect much in terms of service, it's not that kind of board house. I've tried the Chinese version of LCSC too. Not the most complete selection of course, but cheap on a lot of stuff. Even more so with alternative brands e.g:

https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Micro-USB-Connectors_ValuePro_micro-USBFemale_MICRO-USB-5S-B-Type-horns-High-temperature_C10418.html
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/amphenol-fci/10118194-0001LF/609-4618-1-ND/2785382

Yeah the LCSC prices compared to digikey are crazy, and I thought JST was cheap already. They have quite a selection, even some micros and dc/dc, etc. Haven't got my order yet though (international shipping to canada is very slow).
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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2017, 08:21:36 pm »
Looks like they still charge $2 even you choose to let them panel your PCB.

I placed an order yesterday.
4 different designs all well under 100x100mm x10pcs each @5$ per design.
BUT i also had a 5th design, a 33x19mm board which i placed first in the cart and i chose to have 10 panels each with 15 little boards, 150 boards total.... there was no price difference or anything, it was only priced at 2$.....

They emailed me some hours later to let me know
"It seems our website has some wrong. Sorry for this.
n fact, each order only includes one chance of $2.  $2 is just availble for total 10 panels (10 individual boards) and without any paneled.
If 150 individual boards, maybe  you have to pay the extra.
And we can produce the pcb of 10 individual boards for you.
Or you can request us to refund the fee of this pcb, so we will it delete from your order."

Now, i emailed them back telling them to open their eyes, my order has 4x10 single board items none of which was priced at 2$ and the one i chose to panel was simply placed first and had i placed it last, it would simply be charged 5$ and one of the other 4 would go 2$ and simply put, the total they would ask me to pay would be exactly the same...... so i asked them if their website is indeed very wrong and they should show any charges in the paneling option....

I am stuck now since i also ordered half the parts needed for the pcbs from them (lcsc.com) and i have a short window to take action if i need to cancel parts ordered all the way around the globe from over a dozen different sources to achieve the lowest possible cost.....

the designs i am trying to build can be seen here https://easyeda.com/catech75
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2017, 08:51:44 pm »
the designs i am trying to build can be seen here https://easyeda.com/catech75

Thats nice, didn't know they had a way to share designs like this.
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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2017, 08:54:06 pm »
Yeap their site is broken, I had managed to get 2$ for 4 layer board (which is obviously wrong) and was thinking if they gonna accept it or not, guess not :P
We are from the same country so numbers are the same:
#1 manufacturer: PCB 2$ shipping 15$ (china post cause you know, greece... :P)
#2 manufacturer: PCB 5$ shipping 12$ (china post too...)
They are hiding production cost in shipping to see 2$ and go buy from them but at the end you pay the same more or less...
You can't buy 4 designs from them because its gonna be 8$ production cost and its not normal to charge you 50$ for shipping, that's why they don't allow more than one 2$ offer in a single order. To be able to get the money from shipping costs.

For 10 pieces you will pay ~15$ (It was ~16 for 100x100 idk if size matters in their calculator, bored to generate gerbers...) so at the end you can place 5 orders. 2$ is just a trick, its more like 10pcbs 16$ (For not a courier shipping always...)

You can also get your gerbers and check other manufacturers, I know that PCBWay has combined shipping for orders to reduce overall shipping cost but I haven't try it and idk how much discount you get, you can ask them I guess.

 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2017, 09:13:27 pm »
It is obvious they hide some of their cost into shipping, but the fact i could order most of the parts needed from them in the same order was also a selling point.... in most cases they did have very good prices and with free shipping in parts when you also place a pcb order too....

The 2$ "trick" you mention though is valid only for the first pcb in one order, all subsequent pcbs in the same order begin from 5$ anyway and shipping costs raise by weight too.... so in the end, they cannot be "loosing" anything, of course they would like it better if i placed 5 separate orders, which perhaps i should, order one pcb with its parts, test them then order another, now i am stuck with the remaining parts orders either half processed, pending shipment etc or i am already waiting for them.... and although we are not talking really serious ammounts of money (you can see what parts we are talking about) I would hate to find myself sitting on a pile of smd parts and spending more on pcbs and getting out of my target price with my final products which are already marginal....

Anyway.. i hope to resolve this tomorrow.
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2017, 09:17:57 pm »
Yeap their site is broken, I had managed to get 2$ for 4 layer board (which is obviously wrong) and was thinking if they gonna accept it or not, guess not

when i change the form to 4 layers, before anything else at all, the cost goes up to $32.84 ex.shipping.. I dont think their site is broken i just think they are trying to make something more on top of what i paid them.... but its stupid... they tell me 1 design per order gets the 2$ discount (otherwise would be 5$) and it has to be 10 single boards... nice..... my order is exactly that and if i cancel and place it again, they will have to find something else to tell me before i go from "ok, they are not paying attention" to "they are trying to rip me off
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2017, 09:58:16 pm »
There is something fishy about their price calculator. For some sizes & quantities it quickly jumps to much higher prices.
that happened to every cheap pcb makers online i've entered. each one of them have this sweet spot pcb size and quantity that they promoted at very cheap, usually just a small size for innocent noobs. once you get pass that size, the price will go up like crazy. thats why i stick with homebrew pcb etchant.

That's a lot of tinfoil hattery in that guess....

They just have a optimized process for certain popular types and sizes. Panellizing and handling a bunch of small boards is just easier.
 
Like if their design will cause them to have empty space becasue they can't fit anything else it is loss for them.

Or rather it could fit if it was smartly placed, but they can't account for it in calculator (as the panel is not yet "planned") so you get the price for "worst case" scenario
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2017, 10:15:44 am »
The (totally disappointing) answer i got from easyeda is the following
"Hi, it's a bug of our website. Really sorry for that.
In fact, $2 order has two rules. One is board of under 10x10cm and another is less than 10 individual boards?10 single boards ?without any paneled just like figure 1.
And we can produce the pcb of 10 individual boards for you.
Or you can request us to refund the fee of this pcb, so we will it delete from your order.
Of course , you can choose to pay the extra of $15.
The link is : xxxx
Pls you check and confirm.
Thanks for your understanding.

At the same time, i didn t use their 4$ coupon ordering half the parts for these boards and with their deal, no item in my order gets their 2$ special..... Had i not already started the ordering process for housings and other parts etc and had i not paid banking fees etc which i will loose, i was considering to order elsewhere... perhaps i will as i really dont like being treated like that.... what I would do to a paying customer would be to apologise, correct my own mistake and offer them a discount to proceed with their order even at my own cost so i have a happy customer who will return and will probably forward others my way...  and i am sure, this is not a mistake or bug on their site, its simply a way to get the job and screw the customer....
 

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Re: $2 for 10 PCB's!
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2017, 11:49:14 am »
I got a final response from easyeda
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Sorry again for the problem.
We can produce it  for your first order in spite of the financial loss.
For our future long time cooperation, please forgive our problem.
Thanks for your understanding.
Best regards
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Thins resolves this favourably and correctly as i see it.
This also means they are not trying to rip you off and they do offer good customer care, even for a first time 100$ worth of a job incl. parts.

I want to be really fair with them so expect me to post once i receive my order hopefully, a glitch is a glitch and a good company is a good company
 
 


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