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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2019, 06:31:44 am »
And how will that ARM board be interacted with ?
With a monitor, mouse and keyboard like you would with a normal PC. 1Gbit ethernet takes care of network connectivity. A very fast micro-SD card serves as a hard drive and I must say the speed isn't bad.

so it's not actually like a tablet at all. There are plenty of low power platforms made by intel and AMD as well and I had a tablet with and intel all in one job which was not much better than a mobile phone. There is a lot of crossover in the market and that is what confuses the non technical user.

Sure they market the surface as a tablet but those things come with dual channel DDR4 RAM and i7 processors. on the other hand I expect the ARMs will catch up although they are not primarily aimed at "desktop use"
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2019, 07:14:25 am »
Doesn't seem to run of x32, try ipad... needs ios10. Give up  :palm:
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2019, 08:37:33 am »
Sure they market the surface as a tablet but those things come with dual channel DDR4 RAM and i7 processors.

I have Microsoft Surface and I consider it quite slow for many applications. I can barely even do a decent screen capture, and forget about screen capture with even a low res webcam in a window.
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2019, 04:57:08 pm »
Well it is microsoft.......
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2019, 06:11:47 pm »
That is all well and good with something like windows where your jesture is applicable to a large part of the screen. what jesture will you do on a touch screen to interact with one in dozens of tracks without affecting the others? to say that a touch screen is going to oust the mouse is naive at best.
Pinch zoom or use a pen? I prefer a mouse + keyboard but there are plenty of people who have an iPad or Android tablet as their only computer and do everything on it.

I have Microsoft Surface and I consider it quite slow for many applications. I can barely even do a decent screen capture, and forget about screen capture with even a low res webcam in a window.
The Surface tablets are notorious for very heavy CPU throttling for cooling reasons.
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2019, 06:43:50 pm »
What are these people that only use touch I puts doing? Not PCB design I bet.

Ah yes reality versus desires, Acer spins have the same problem not that I notice performance  issues but they were clearly over zealous with allowing  200% overclock, I disabled it as I am not happy with the heat and in the time it took to let Windows setup it had already distorted the case.
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2019, 07:17:25 pm »
When I explain it to my non tech friends, you can use PC to "consume stuff" or "create stuff".

So you can watch, read, liste to content someone else created.
That takes care of all Youtube, newspapers, books, any content you browse trough. Here all you have to do is to navigate, start and stop and such. Also you can read your e-mails, facebook or such, and occasionally write some response. Mind you, response won't be long, will be in bastardized shorthand (that people invented because it was awkward to type) most of the time with no proper punctuation  and grammar. But sometimes you just need to know that your sales rep sent you the quote, you might even open it and check numbers quickly. And then respond with :" Thanks Brian, I ll talk 2 you tomorrow..." 

If that is what you use your computer for 90% of the time, yeah, you'll be able to do that on a tablet. Or a phone to that matter. Because you only "consume stuff" and that can be done with dumbed down interface of tablet like devices.

Everything else, where you actually have to answer with a coherent text, that has more than few sentences, that have some kind of formating, where you actually create content of any substance beyond instagramming or "thanks I ll call you tomorrow when I get to office" you cannot do on tablets. Screens are cretinously small, you have no normal keyboard on which you can type with 10 fingers and have keyboard shortcuts, and your pointing device has a resolution and accuracy of points of the compass (" he went North, officer", said he pointing finger towards the mountains..).

Even proper E-mail response is much easier on a propper PC. Creating any kind of report, editing photos, writing documentation, programming, doing any kind of CAD, circuit simulation, etc. etc...

It is as simple as that. The fact that some people, at great effort, are occasionally doing something a bit more complicated on tablet platforms, is a testament of how misguided they are, not that it it's a smart to do..

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2019, 07:32:56 pm »
It looks like they recently change their website hence the annoying WordPress theme and the empty forum. It wasn't there in the last archive.org snapshot.

What are these people that only use touch I puts doing? Not PCB design I bet.
If a single tablet with pen can cover everything they need then why not? For some people, their office is actually the local coffee shop so getting it all into a tablet sounds like a win. As I said before, this isn't something I'd want to use but different strokes for different folks. Doubt you'd want to do anything complicated but looks usable for Makers designing stuff for Tindie etc...
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2019, 07:33:59 pm »
Yes quite, consumption versus creation, I am just like that and this response is short because it's a phone. I do viewing on touchscreen devices and limited responses like this but quickly move to a pc or better laptop for anything extensive.
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2019, 07:37:32 pm »
It looks like they recently change their website hence the annoying WordPress theme and the empty forum. It wasn't there in the last archive.org snapshot.

What are these people that only use touch I puts doing? Not PCB design I bet.
If a single tablet with pen can cover everything they need then why not? For some people, their office is actually the local coffee shop so getting it all into a tablet sounds like a win. As I said before, this isn't something I'd want to use but different strokes for different folks. Doubt you'd want to do anything complicated but looks usable for Makers designing stuff for Tindie etc...


You can fit a well speced laptop on your lap (clue is in the name) and a mouse can be used on a sofa, the space thing for tablets is BS. I am still waiting to be told how you run and edit a track with a touchscreen.
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2019, 07:39:40 pm »
I give up. Just continue using your mouse and keyboard. Leave tablets and touchscreens for people who understand how to use them.
 
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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2019, 08:09:11 pm »
I give up. Just continue using your mouse and keyboard. Leave tablets and touchscreens for people who understand how to use them.

do they? then try and enlighten a young fool.....
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2019, 08:24:36 pm »
A stylus could do it. Lots of people use Wacom input tablets (without display) as input device for using CAD packages.
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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2019, 08:27:30 pm »
What is a Wacom input tablet? remember we were talking about mobile phones not dedicated graphical pads that replace mice?
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2019, 09:25:44 pm »
What is a Wacom input tablet? remember we were talking about mobile phones not dedicated graphical pads that replace mice?
Well it shouldn't take much imagination to combine an input tablet and a regular tablet + stylus to be able to do CAD.


Actually Wacom thought of that by themselves too:
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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2019, 06:48:58 am »
I'm sure they did think of it and while pressing an icon in a program may look inspiring no one has yet explained how you deal with the various operations using just a finger on a screen. The pens are mouse replacements so don't really count I am afraid.
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2019, 06:58:17 am »
A stylus could do it. Lots of people use Wacom input tablets (without display) as input device for using CAD packages.

That would be horrible, as the non-registration between tablet and screen position would be frustrating and tiresome. Touch screen is the proper solution for that.
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2019, 08:40:12 am »
A stylus could do it. Lots of people use Wacom input tablets (without display) as input device for using CAD packages.

That would be horrible, as the non-registration between tablet and screen position would be frustrating and tiresome. Touch screen is the proper solution for that.

While I haven't used them for PCB design, I did use old Wacom's of various sizes for graphic design (usually on classic Mac OS running PowerMacs) quite a bit, the relative scaling is one of those things that either just clicks with you or doesn't.
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2019, 10:38:18 am »
A stylus could do it. Lots of people use Wacom input tablets (without display) as input device for using CAD packages.

That would be horrible, as the non-registration between tablet and screen position would be frustrating and tiresome. Touch screen is the proper solution for that.
Did you ever try it or just made an assumption? You won't get users of a Wacom tablet back to using a mouse or trackball so they must be on to something (and strongly disagree with your statement).
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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2019, 10:40:19 am »
I'm sure they did think of it and while pressing an icon in a program may look inspiring no one has yet explained how you deal with the various operations using just a finger on a screen. The pens are mouse replacements so don't really count I am afraid.
Now you are just moving goal posts. The original claim is that you can't use a touchscreen for CAD at all; this clearly isn't true.
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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2019, 10:53:39 am »
If you have not actually tried a Wacom, you shouldn't dismiss it that glibly.

They are incredibly popular with their users, and their styles is a lot more flexible than a normal mouse pointer is (pressure sensitive, several buttons, double ended with different behaviours etc.)

I have not tried one myself for PCB layout, but I easily see how it could be a major productivity booster if that is your job.

The footnote is that the layout program needs to be configurable to take all the extra input signals, and I don't know if they are.
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2019, 10:58:33 am »
Going off topic..

Entering fact that not even a mouse is good enough for pro work is another nail in the tablet coffin.

Simply: Can you design a PCB on a 6" phone or a 10" tablet with one finger ?

Resounding and definite NOOO..
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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2019, 02:16:25 pm »
I'm sure they did think of it and while pressing an icon in a program may look inspiring no one has yet explained how you deal with the various operations using just a finger on a screen. The pens are mouse replacements so don't really count I am afraid.
Now you are just moving goal posts. The original claim is that you can't use a touchscreen for CAD at all; this clearly isn't true.

Listen, trouble maker that has to be always right! the claim in the OP was that this software will allow me to do a PCB design at a bus stop on my phone. I don't care what YOU have decided it is, if you don't like it get out!
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2019, 02:17:51 pm »
If you have not actually tried a Wacom, you shouldn't dismiss it that glibly.

They are incredibly popular with their users, and their styles is a lot more flexible than a normal mouse pointer is (pressure sensitive, several buttons, double ended with different behaviours etc.)

I have not tried one myself for PCB layout, but I easily see how it could be a major productivity booster if that is your job.

The footnote is that the layout program needs to be configurable to take all the extra input signals, and I don't know if they are.

nctnico is well known for starting rows by re-establishing constantly what the topic is about when he is not happy with the replies........
 

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Re: PCB Droid
« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2019, 02:49:40 pm »
I'm sure they did think of it and while pressing an icon in a program may look inspiring no one has yet explained how you deal with the various operations using just a finger on a screen. The pens are mouse replacements so don't really count I am afraid.
Now you are just moving goal posts. The original claim is that you can't use a touchscreen for CAD at all; this clearly isn't true.

Listen, trouble maker that has to be always right! the claim in the OP was that this software will allow me to do a PCB design at a bus stop on my phone. I don't care what YOU have decided it is, if you don't like it get out!
IMHO you seem to be the one who is stuck in his own believes. Why even bother posting if you don't want to learn any new insights anyway? Are you going to lock this thread too because you don't like the answers?

Let me give you a small history lesson. Back in the old days we used 14" (effectively 11") monitors with a resolution of 640x480 to design boards. Heck; I've even used a Toshiba Libretto (which is the size of a VHS casette / A5 sized book) to design boards. So why would a (big) smart phone or a small tablet (both together with a stylus) be out of the question?
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