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Offline nigelwright7557

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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #125 on: August 12, 2020, 12:18:25 am »
free software is pretty much the only thing that is given away.
i dont see scopes etc being given away.
on the one hand great for software users but bad for business.
i sell pcbcad software and have done for 28 years.
i used to do ok but competition has pretty much killed it so now no incentive to take it to the next stage.
innovation killed.

think how much better your software would be if it was funded properly?
take on more programmers to increase productivity.
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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #126 on: August 12, 2020, 12:48:23 am »
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i dont see scopes etc being given away.

Hardware designs are. Clearly, you can't give away physical stuff because each single instance costs you. Although that hasn't stopped people giving actual hardware away. However, the designs and everything that don't have a per-instance cost are given away.

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think how much better your software would be if it was funded properly?
take on more programmers to increase productivity.

Not quite that simple. You might have a significant number of users for your free or low-cost product, but double the price and watch most of them disappear. Where is the funding going to come from for the new mouths you now have to feed? Maybe bumping up the price of the product to compensate, and now you have an even more niche clientele.

There are numerous instances of products that had a loyal user-base, who would pay upgrade fees as a matter of course because without thinking about it, and then either the company or product got bloated by the success (with the price to match) and suddenly the upgrades needed thinking about, and that's the loyal inertia-driven income stream gone.
 

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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #127 on: August 12, 2020, 01:08:31 am »
i think my main point was giving stuff away wont make you rich.
Easy-PC gave away one of their lesser pcb design packages and went on to sell the new version for £379 a go and did ok.
this killed off a lot of cheaper packages.
Kicad is now the main free package i have to compete with.
i agree about bloatware as Easypc forum is full of people complaining about bugs.
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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #128 on: August 12, 2020, 01:13:14 am »


Not quite that simple. You might have a significant number of users for your free or low-cost product, but double the price and watch most of them disappear. Where is the funding going to come from for the new mouths you now have to feed? Maybe bumping up the price of the product to compensate, and now you have an even more niche clientele.

is it better to sell 100 with £1 profit or sell 1 with £100 profit?
with 100 times more customers there is more chance of attracting people who have problems.
i spend half my life hand holding because people dont understand the basics of pcb design.
some people just wont spend money, you would be gobsmacked how many customers i have talked to still on Win XP

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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #129 on: August 12, 2020, 01:21:31 am »
Swings and roundabouts. On the face of it, supporting 1 customer instead of 100 looks pretty good, but you're stuffed if that one customer decides he's no longer interested. Lost 20 of the 100 and there's probably another 30 waiting to tie you down in silly support calls :)

 

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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #130 on: August 12, 2020, 10:30:57 am »
i think my main point was giving stuff away wont make you rich.
Easy-PC gave away one of their lesser pcb design packages and went on to sell the new version for £379 a go and did ok.
this killed off a lot of cheaper packages.
Kicad is now the main free package i have to compete with.
i agree about bloatware as Easypc forum is full of people complaining about bugs.

Getting rich / making money isnt always the point. If that was your point, I think you might be in the wrong thread.
If you would like to offer software as a business there is nothing wrong with that, have at it.
Competing with the free stuff makes it better for the users. Because now, you have to offer something that's worth paying for.
Those who cant or wont compete, either improve their offerings-- or die away.. it it the natural law of things.

ZofZ is doing great things and he should keep going and keep a free offering. I for one, am thankful for his dedication.

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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #131 on: August 12, 2020, 07:26:59 pm »

Getting rich / making money isnt always the point. If that was your point, I think you might be in the wrong thread.
If you would like to offer software as a business there is nothing wrong with that, have at it.
Competing with the free stuff makes it better for the users. Because now, you have to offer something that's worth paying for.
Those who cant or wont compete, either improve their offerings-- or die away.. it it the natural law of things.

ZofZ is doing great things and he should keep going and keep a free offering. I for one, am thankful for his dedication.

with free offerings all that happens is companies see that and realise its pointless to develop software and walk away.
if i was starting out again i would avoid writing cad software like the plague.
i have found i have had to diversify into specialist hardware/software to compete.
making money is vital to fund software projects properly unless you have a day job too.

while i am impressed with his software i never use 3d viewers.
i just make sure my 2d components are correct sizes.



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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #132 on: August 12, 2020, 08:37:38 pm »
...for collision detection, before post-production disaster... today in order to compete, one need to be the best (better service better product better price better offering etc) otherwise they will just die like the rest...
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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #133 on: August 13, 2020, 08:22:24 pm »
First of all, thanks for the software. I had been using it on and off for a few years now. Nothing commercial, just my own PCBs. I would use it to verify other viewers that just seemed to misbehave. Yours ran without issue as a visual confirmation. I downloaded the latest version and started to play around with which features are free and which are not. No problem with licensing some extras. Well I was able to right click on the component and do adjustments to shape, size etc. Now when I right click on the component, I cannot adjust anything as the "Body Builder" menu option is gone. Is there a limitation as to how many times I can use that function? I've used it for about a day, See the attached "Modify" photo. Thanks.

Quote from: zofz on 2017-02-26, 23:41:03
Right-click menu for component model and parameters (like elcap height) - I am still working on it. I hope to release this in couple of weeks.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2020, 08:30:47 pm by Quarlo Klobrigney »
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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #134 on: August 14, 2020, 08:56:58 am »
First of all, thanks for the software. I had been using it on and off for a few years now. Nothing commercial, just my own PCBs. I would use it to verify other viewers that just seemed to misbehave. Yours ran without issue as a visual confirmation. I downloaded the latest version and started to play around with which features are free and which are not. No problem with licensing some extras. Well I was able to right click on the component and do adjustments to shape, size etc. Now when I right click on the component, I cannot adjust anything as the "Body Builder" menu option is gone. Is there a limitation as to how many times I can use that function? I've used it for about a day, See the attached "Modify" photo. Thanks.

Quote from: zofz on 2017-02-26, 23:41:03
Right-click menu for component model and parameters (like elcap height) - I am still working on it. I hope to release this in couple of weeks.

It looks like the "Parametric" model generator is disabled. It could be caused by the end of license validity, as the modeler is a "premium" feature. Or it can be caused by configuration - see picture.
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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #135 on: August 14, 2020, 09:23:13 am »
 I downloaded the free version. So the real answer is that it was working and has a limited time functionality? You haven't quite answered the question.
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Re: Take a look at my newly improved PCB viewer / Gerber Viewer
« Reply #136 on: August 14, 2020, 11:27:56 am »
I downloaded the free version. So the real answer is that it was working and has a limited time functionality? You haven't quite answered the question.
The same image can operate in the premium mode and in the free mode:
There are 3 demo designs included.
The program loads one demo design, after the other, by first 3 starts.
I want the user to see the demos in a fully loaded mode, of course. So the program acts in the premium mode, whenever the demo is loaded. This includes the Parametric Modeler and the STEP file export.
This mode override ends, when you load your own design.
In case no valid license key is stored in the program, after the 3 demos are shown, the program randomly shows a nagging info. The popping up nagging message can be disabled by switching off the Parametric Modeler. Go to menu: Components / Model Generator / Extruded (free)
Or, of course, by a license key. There you can have date based, 30-day, free license per email address.

 


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