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Re: For those who are worrying about the longevity of Allwinner V3s
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2019, 05:24:47 am »
(just to add to the off-topic, but just a bit). In Brasil, brands like Chery, Lifan or Geely sell their cars there, but they are considered very poor quality by the specialized press. And that is saying a lot in a country where the quality of the big brands is considered tremendously low by worldwide standards.
They have a different target market than you. Those cheap cars are intended to be driven by folks in rural locations in China so they can get their produce out to the marketplace. Rural places in China can be very hilly and often lacked public transport infrastructure. The point of those cars isn't to be the safest thing to drive in, but to be cheap enough for those rural folks so they can earn some income to upgrade later. Those cars are even subsidized by the government for this purpose.
 
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Re: For those who are worrying about the longevity of Allwinner V3s
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2019, 05:44:47 am »
I actually think that drivers with a history of behavior (e.g. drunk or reckless driving) that put the public at risk should be restricted to driving only motorcycles or flimsy cars, in order to push the risk towards them and away from the innocent public.
Or how about life ban on driving and prison time of no less than 6 months? In China there is an official felony called "Reckless Driving", which covers all DUI and reckless driving cases, and it comes with a minimum prison time of 6 months. A convicted felon of Reckless Driving is banned from driving anything for life, as well as various other lifetime restrictions and social stigma of being a convicted felon.

The discussion was not about ESP, but about crash tests -- mechanical safety by design. Which protects drivers and their passengers not only from the results of their own driving, but also from third parties' behavior, which is out of their control.

To my (Western) mind, building cars which sacrifice solid safety design is just like allowing unsafe work practices or massive environmental pollution in the production of consumer goods: For the sake of profit, and maybe the sake of making cheap toys available to consumers, the manufacturer puts human lifes and health at risk.
AFAIK China requires all car designs to pass a crashworthiness test before it can enter mass production, however this test is carried out with China CCC standard, a different standard from Euro NCAP. Even car technology research have to base on a CCC-certified platform for it to be legal to have test runs on public roads. (Shanghai Tongji University College of Automobiles have a fleet of modified SAIC-VW cars as their test platforms. They have free access to SAIC test track, however only ones modified from CCC-certified mass market cars without compromising its safety features are permitted to have test runs on public roads, especially long distance tests along national expressway G2 to and from Beijing)
 

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Re: For those who are worrying about the longevity of Allwinner V3s
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2019, 11:57:01 am »
Well, right now, you are 50 times more likely to die if you ride a motorcycle or a moped. In fact, most people think motorcyclists should be organ donors by default, without their consent.
If they ban cheap, flimsy cars for being unsafe, why don't they also ban motorcycles for being even more unsafe? I think an analysis of the (reduced) risks such vehicles pose to others would help support the idea of restricting bad drivers to those, increasing the safety of the good drivers.
They made several safety equipment mandatory on bikes. For example ABS, rear view mirrors etc.
Also, they are setting up new environmental standards for motorcycle emissions. This has the indirect effect, that big engined cycles are now dont sell in the EU. What happens is that manufacturer X has a sales of 1000 cycles in across the entire EU from a certain model, and the complying with the emissions would cost them for example 3 million EUR. And they cannot increase the price by 3000 EUR (including the extra equipment), cause nobody would buy the cycle, and therefore they just abandon the market. Good riddance. BTW they are not allowed to ride on the cycle ways, have stricter speed limits etc... So they do things to limit it. But they cannot just ban it.

If you would put bungee jumping on the list, probably there is more bungee jumping accident per million KM than driving, but you are not going to ban that, do you.
 

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Re: For those who are worrying about the longevity of Allwinner V3s
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2019, 12:07:43 pm »


The cyclists are up there, cause they refuse to wear a helmet, and their eyes are glued to phones.

And because the authors chose to show accidents per distance driven, and bicyclists and pedestrians are slow. If you were to plot "accidents per hour spent in traffic", the data would look somewhat different.
 
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