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Raspberry PI Zero W 2 launched today
« on: October 28, 2021, 02:03:46 pm »
https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-2/

Still available, at least I could order one flagged as available at local reseller (https://mauser.pt/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=096-4559&src=raspberrypi), but they are sold as 1 unit per person.

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Re: Raspberry PI Zero W 2 launched today
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2021, 04:08:54 am »
It is pretty astounding foolishness to have these "one order per person" limits from some resellers of these.
I mean it is nothing if not an IoT device being small and wireless and having computing capability.
So one unit isn't even a particularly satisfactory prototype / development set where one likely wants one or
more of the following configurations to develop & test with:

NODE A <--> NODE B

NODE A <--> HUB / collector / gateway (probably often also the same kind of device configured differently)

"FIELD" TEST NODE +  desktop / bench development test node.

Not even to elaborate on the mesh / cluster networking type arrangements where one wants several sensor nodes in a group all communicating with some other edge / hub / gateway node.

Wake me up when you can get like at least  4 nodes at MSRP with one shipping / handling charge and not having to buy unwanted useless things like cases, power supplies, etc. which don't make much sense for many kinds of IoT development projects.

Even for non IoT / wireless stuff having at least two devkits of the same kind is often practically the thing one
wants to do for breadboard vs. debugging & experimenting oriented uses.



 

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Re: Raspberry PI Zero W 2 launched today
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2021, 04:18:18 am »
It is pretty astounding foolishness to have these "one order per person" limits from some resellers of these.

Never ascribe to stupidity what can more easily be explained by malice.

The product isn't profitable at the price it's offered, so they force you to pay shipping over and over. And that's just for hobbyists that need a few.

Your can't design a product around it, unless it's also for hobbyists that will get the pi on their own.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2021, 05:34:57 pm by djacobow »
 

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Re: Raspberry PI Zero W 2 launched today
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2021, 04:24:09 am »
On the one per person; it isn’t great, but there is the whole component shortage going on…
 

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Re: Raspberry PI Zero W 2 launched today
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2021, 05:36:21 pm »
On the one per person; it isn’t great, but there is the whole component shortage going on…

True, but the Pi Zero W has always been sold this way. You've never been able to buy more than one at one at the "Pi Foundation price". There are people who will sell you more than one at once on Amazon, but at a higher price.
 

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Re: Raspberry PI Zero W 2 launched today
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2021, 01:45:46 am »
On the one per person; it isn’t great, but there is the whole component shortage going on…

One Pi Zero per order long predates the current component shortage. It was true at announcement in 2015. And it wasn't just a "shortage until production ramps up" thing either. It's *always* been true. There has never been a time when you could simply order 100 Pi Zeros at the advertised $5 each.

Contrast that with, say, the Longan Nano, available for $4.80 from China or $6.13 from Mouser:

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Seeed-Studio/102991302?qs=RcG8xmE7yp15ihBCpLOGNg%3D%3D

Right now it says 276 in stock. If you want you can order all 276 and they'll say "Thank you very much for your custom".

Mouser carry Raspberry Pi. They have a lot of Pi 3B, Pi 3+. and Pi 4 in varying RAM sizes:

https://www.mouser.com/c/embedded-solutions/computing/single-board-computers/?m=Raspberry%20Pi

Sadly, they don't seem to have any *stock* at the moment (global component crisis etc). But if you want 100 or 500 Pi4 8 GB they'll be very happy to take your order now and deliver them when they get them on December 20th.

They *don't* have Pi Zero. Never have.

The obvious and surely correct reason is that the Pi Zero at $5 is being sold at a loss. It's not a commercial product. It's charity. The Raspberry Pi Foundation is *explicitly* a charity, not a business.
 

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Re: Raspberry PI Zero W 2 launched today
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2021, 01:51:15 am »
Yes, I did some more looking and it seems that you are all correct: https://core-electronics.com.au/raspberry-pi-zero-w-wireless-bulk.html

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Note: this listing is an offering by Core Electronics and is intended for our industrial-type customers of Pi Zero W. This offering is not from the Raspberry Pi Foundation and not likely available in other countries/regions. The 1-per-customer restriction still exists, read below for more details.

Several times every day, we're asked: "Can I buy more than one Raspberry Pi Zero", especially from our industrial-type customers.

This listing is for bulk purchases of 2+ units (yes, it costs more - there is no error). The less expensive variant is a Raspberry Pi Foundation initiative to make computer science as accessible as possible (by reducing the price) and is limited to one-per-customer. It's a sensational gesture that we're more than happy to extend here in Australia.

This more-expensive option takes into account actual product costs. No quantity restrictions. The cheaper 1-per-customer option is (and always will be) available.
 

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Re: Raspberry PI Zero W 2 launched today
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2021, 03:23:18 am »
[...] The Raspberry Pi Foundation is *explicitly* a charity, not a business.

Make no mistake, it's about profit and paying 200 staff, almost doubled their income in 2020:
2020  £95,818,848
2019  £49,477,922

Rumours of going on the stock market for funding, a valuation of $500M, but instead new investors are on board.  https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/21/raspberry_pis_trading_arm_snags


New Pi Zero W 2 seems like a nothing burger, just a price increase on an awkward design. RPi foundation says the semiconductor shortage is mainly affecting their 40nm parts such as the Pi 3 so why roll this out?
Doesn't have Bluetooth 5, still uses Ethernet over SPI, no H265 or playing 720p. Mini HDMI yet the Pi4 uses micro HDMI?

What's the point in this form factor, making the smallest cheapola PC board and then you need extra $$ to add on cable adapters to connect to anything.
 

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Re: Raspberry PI Zero W 2 launched today
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2021, 03:50:36 am »
[...] The Raspberry Pi Foundation is *explicitly* a charity, not a business.

Make no mistake, it's about profit and paying 200 staff, almost doubled their income in 2020:
2020  £95,818,848
2019  £49,477,922

That's not the definition of a non-profit. Non-profits can pay staff -- and very well. The restriction is on distributing profits to "owners". And they get donations.

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New Pi Zero W 2 seems like a nothing burger, just a price increase on an awkward design.

I can't see the logic behind it. It's a Pi 3 in a small form-factor, better for embedding (like compute module 3, but different). It's got all those lovely through-board holes to solder stuff to, not an unreliable socket.

It must be 6x the performance of the Pi Zero on compute-intensive tasks. Maybe more, given its 64 bit. And it's got NEON, so up that by another factor of X, for tasks that can use it.
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