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Offline BrianHG

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Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« on: August 13, 2022, 09:15:15 pm »
I making another Verilog based RS232 utility, this time with an ASCII user interface.

Now, since Hyperterm is no longer part of windows, and it kinda sucked anyway.  I'm looking for a good cheap small terminal software.  I just need ascii text, 921600,8,n,1 baud.  Something small, like under 400kb, preferably no required setup/install.

Any recommendations?
 

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2022, 09:33:11 pm »
TeraTerm is probably the best terminal out there currently. Check for yourself if it fits your criteria, but I use it for all serial needs on Win and it worked fine for me.
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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2022, 09:35:31 pm »
- PuTTY (which I use the most for that, ~1 MB if you only take the putty.exe executable that is needed here): https://www.putty.org/
- YAT (more features, but requires ~10 MB!): https://sourceforge.net/projects/y-a-terminal/files/

Under 400 KB I do not know of anything. Maybe someone else.
 

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2022, 09:51:45 pm »
TeraTerm is probably the best terminal out there currently. Check for yourself if it fits your criteria, but I use it for all serial needs on Win and it worked fine for me.
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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2022, 10:00:19 pm »
So? Are you really that worried about disk space? I guess keep looking for things that may not exist then.

Also, HyperTerminal is still available for download. But it is a 17 MB installer, so I guess that excludes it too.
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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2022, 10:12:16 pm »
I'ts not a disk space issue.

Here: https://www.compuphase.com/software_termite.htm
The .exe is only 139kb, and it runs on it's own.  No other system reg modifications or BS.

I'm not sure why you need a bigger program to take keyboard key-presses and send them out the RS232 while showing me what's being received back in.

Why waste system memory and hd space for such a simple task.
 

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2022, 10:18:00 pm »
TeraTerm does quite a bit more stuff that I personally use all the time. Like sending and receiving files over X/Y/Z-modem protocols, or even sending and receiving large plain text files.

If you don't need any of that, then use Termite. I personally find it extremely limited. I don't often need to do large file transfers, but when I do, I'd rather use the same tools I already know how to use.
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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2022, 03:05:02 am »
At a middle ground, this 750Kb 'Kitty' seems much more capable:

https://www.fosshub.com/KiTTY.html
 

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2022, 05:00:16 am »
I use Teraterm as well. 

I have also used Netterm.  It looks like it may still be around.    http://www.securenetterm.com/html/downloads.html   It has some features like programmable keys that I like.  It makes setting it up to control different peripherals painless.   For example shown, setup to run my Motorola 6811 ICE.  Very 90s.   :-DD

Before that, I was using Qmodem and before that, Procomm.  :-DD    Scripting with these was very powerful.   

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2022, 05:50:36 am »
With Windows I used to use Termite.  Unpack only, or install.
https://www.compuphase.com/software_termite.htm

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2022, 06:12:00 am »
TerraTerm +1
 

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2022, 06:37:35 am »
Use Termite,
It's the best simple soliton with no setup
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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2022, 08:14:51 am »
Also like the "Hercules" small 1.2Mb and hex support and a nice feature to send predefined strings even as hex and it also have UDP and TCP support
https://www.hw-group.com/software/hercules-setup-utility
 

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2022, 09:36:19 am »
I making another Verilog based RS232 utility, this time with an ASCII user interface.

Now, since Hyperterm is no longer part of windows, and it kinda sucked anyway.  I'm looking for a good cheap small terminal software.  I just need ascii text, 921600,8,n,1 baud.  Something small, like under 400kb, preferably no required setup/install.

Any recommendations?

I'm quite sure I did some console hacks during old DOS era but can't really remember how.
What "type com1" does, can you send anything?

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2022, 01:54:19 pm »
If you are open to writing your own - should not be that difficult - consider PowerBasic. Developed by the former Borland software team that wrote Turbo Basic.

The compiled code is lean and mean, no fat.

There is the GUI version of Power Basic and also the console version. Both are excellent tools and highly recommended.
 

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2022, 04:58:00 pm »
Writing your own is "easy" for a simple sender and receiver of the bytes. But most normal terminal emulators would also support VT-100 emulation, which is often used in embedded systems. And implementing that is a huge waste of time to save a few MB of hard drive space. There is a lot more to terminal emulators than you normally think about. Things usually just work, so you don't notice it.

And that's not even taking into account that the size on the disk does not correlate with the amount of RAM used by the program. That small Termite may allocate 500 MB of memory.
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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2022, 05:23:11 pm »
There's always the venerable Bray terminal program - only a 325k download:

https://sites.google.com/site/terminalbpp/

Downsides are last updated in 2014 and apparently still some bugs (although I never ran into any of them).

But I would look into YAT (yet another terminal program):

https://sourceforge.net/projects/y-a-terminal/

Last updated this past week and touts a lot of features useful for engineers and programmers.
 

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2022, 05:34:02 pm »
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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2022, 06:20:59 pm »
I have used TerraTerm and PuTTY for decade.
Both no nonsense and gets the work done.

Also look at SamSpade (internet), HTTrack (website copy) and HxD (hex file editor).
All basic functions but still work after all this time.


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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2022, 07:57:43 pm »
So? Are you really that worried about disk space? I guess keep looking for things that may not exist then.

Also, HyperTerminal is still available for download. But it is a 17 MB installer, so I guess that excludes it too.
I'm trying to make use of old Pentium grade laptops as simple terminals.  The smaller the program, the better.
 

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Re: Need a really dumb PC/Win RS232 terminal program.
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2022, 11:09:46 pm »
I making another Verilog based RS232 utility, this time with an ASCII user interface.

Now, since Hyperterm is no longer part of windows, and it kinda sucked anyway.  I'm looking for a good cheap small terminal software.  I just need ascii text, 921600,8,n,1 baud.  Something small, like under 400kb, preferably no required setup/install.

Any recommendations?

Maybe run the Unix utility screen from MinGW?
 


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