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Re: Best replacement for AMD/Xilinx CPLDs XC9500
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2024, 06:39:17 am »
I can not even download their fpga conversion software (Supra) from f..king baidu
 

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Re: Best replacement for AMD/Xilinx CPLDs XC9500
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2024, 06:41:34 am »
Saw them for around 8...14 CNY
http://www.tcx-micro.com/
Are you sure? Where?
They have dev boards on taobao but nowhere near this price.
 

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Re: Best replacement for AMD/Xilinx CPLDs XC9500
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2024, 10:23:32 am »
5V tolerance doesn't bring you 5V compliance. With the XC9500 you'll need level shifters to interface with 5V logic because the 3.3V output levels are not suitable to produce valid 5V CMOS logic levels. Been there, done that.

5V CMOS no, but 5V TTL yes. And 5V TTL is quite common, in vintage hardware for instance. XC5900XL could do without level shifters in a lot of 5V TTL contexts.
 

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Re: Best replacement for AMD/Xilinx CPLDs XC9500
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2024, 08:36:31 am »
My choice would be based on what tools I am already current and comfortable with....  then see if I can use their devices.

Case... ATM I am looking for a  small cell count FPGA  to use as a frontpanel display interface.  the main unit will talk up  two wires to the display.... I need an small FPGA with  >= 20 IO

only a 320x240 graphics display  but enough that a microcontroller will choke....I want to boot the fpga up the same lines I will talk to the display with, IE no software to keep synced with the main board.
anyway....
which means I want something 48QFN or something, QFP if we really must (hate them but they are hand solderable) .... and from my two vendors that I am familiar with
Xilinx.  .... there is a 1mm 256 BGA package.....  groan. Efinix- there is a 144p QFP. mmm yuk. I'm not going back to the bad old days  of big QFPs.
neither I like for a board with PB switches and rotary encoders..

But you guys are talking small QFN etc from Gowin has got me interested. It's not hi tech and really I dont even have to care about timing, it'll all work. so as long as the tools will FAITHFULLY accept a HDL file, it will work.
needs 78kb for display buffer plus maybe a few hundred bytes for minimalistic 10 instruction CPU etc. Rules out ICE40. Lattice  Igloo 1 has some packages that will work but not enough RAM
But Gowin.. if their tools work for simple stuff....
GW2A-18, GWN1  in a QFN32, QFN48, QFN88  could even deal with a LQ100..... perfect.

 

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Re: Best replacement for AMD/Xilinx CPLDs XC9500
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2024, 08:42:38 am »
You find QFN easier to solder than QFP?
 

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Re: Best replacement for AMD/Xilinx CPLDs XC9500
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2024, 08:50:27 am »
yeah I find them easier.... But I have paste setup, machines and xray.... Never ever had a pin short issue with QFN

So today, I updated my Efinix Trion selector guide, and they now have a T13 and  T20 device  in QFP100  :-)  $5. I can handle a QFP100, on rotation they are not so difficult (smaller size / smaller radius).
so Efinix it is.
and the device has a built in FLASH part for config. I can have it boot up with a bootloader from flash,   and listen for comms on two LVDS pairs, and have its config file   loaded up on the pairs, then it can trigger reconfiguration....
« Last Edit: February 06, 2024, 10:28:10 pm by glenenglish »
 

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Re: Best replacement for AMD/Xilinx CPLDs XC9500
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2024, 03:55:17 pm »
I, too, find QFN easier to solder than QFP when using a paste stencil. Most of my boards need a paste stencil to do the fine-pitch passives anyway. I do a few one-off designs with larger passives and QFP to avoid the small added cost of using a stencil. But that's the exception rather than the rule.
 

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Re: Best replacement for AMD/Xilinx CPLDs XC9500
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2024, 04:13:15 pm »
If you let the pads of a QFP package stick out about 0.3 to 0.4mm, they are easy to hand solder. Nowadays I tin the pads, reflow the package using hot air and touch up with a solder iron. But I do have thermal vias in the exposed pad so the excess solder under the package can flow away if necessary.
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Re: Best replacement for AMD/Xilinx CPLDs XC9500
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2024, 10:33:04 pm »
so, I would say a Efinix T13 QFP100 part with built in config flash  is a good option for a XC9500 replacement - except for the 5V issue, so you'll need a bunch of translators these days.
T13Q100F3C3 $8 at digikey .the bigger logic one T20Q100F3C3 is only an extra $1.

I use https://www.ti.com/product/TXU0101  , they are a do-all 1 to 5.5V dual supply translator in a sot23 or sc70

there is a 4 way version... https://www.ti.com/product/TXU0104  and it is in a TSSOP or QFN etc

as for QFP, yeah I only avoid stencils for somestuff  because there is a big setup time to put it into the printer etc, align it, then clean it afterwards....
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Re: Best replacement for AMD/Xilinx CPLDs XC9500
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2024, 10:13:54 pm »
That day i could browse TaoBao ... Today i'm just sent to "Member login" on every link i click.
Yes they do this most of the time. Not hard to register though. Can register with any mobile phone number (not chinese)
 


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