Doubt HDD impact contact

[renan88657]

Why do some 2.5" HDDs not turn off after ejecting in Windows 10? Is this behavior common? Two people told me that they have several models of the same brand, some turn off, others do not, and this is a problem if when the hand hits the HDD case, the mechanical arm and the needle scratch the HDD. My HDD is very quiet. I only saw the LED turn on after ejecting in Windows 10. I have the models Seagate ST500LM030, WD WD10JPVX-08JC3T5, HGTS HTS541010A99E662
enclosure cases USB 3.0 Orico 25pw1 and Kesu 2530
If Windows 10 eject fails and does not power off the HDD, is there any other protection against hand shocks on the side of the case not damage or generates bad secxtors in hdd?

[MK14]

To renan88657 (if not a bot or something)

If the data on such drives (or anywhere) matters and/or is important.

Then back it up and keep a suitable number of copies, on different devices.

Some people are happy with three copies in total, on at least two different types of media.  Some people also suggest, keeping the data in at least two different locations (i.e. one off-site).

Overly worrying about one specific device, is not a good idea.  Back up the data, then if that drive, does fail, you are covered.

Summary:
Take/make BACKUPS!

[magic]

This doesn't answer the question...

[MK14]

This doesn't answer the question...

You're right, it doesn't answer the question.

But it does suggest, what they should be doing.

[renan88657]

If the 2.5" HDD is ejected in Windows 10 but remains connected in operation, what is the position of the actuator and mechanical arm? no read/no write?

[DavidAlfa]

WARNING:
Seems to be a well known SPAM bot (or something, if a real person, they seem to spend all day, creating apparently pointless threads, hundreds of times, often with Ali-express stuff).

+1

https://www.tenforums.com/drivers-hardware/216001-doubt-hdd-impact-contact.html#post2652045
https://www.tek-tips.com/threads/doubt-hdd-impact.1831807/
https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/1fymzom/doubt_hdd_impact/

[Haenk]

I give him the benefit of the doubt, as it might help to post your question on several forums to make sure you receive an answer.
And that Ali product does not seem like an advertisement at all; any reader will certainly make sure to *not* buy this $random_crap.

And on a technical side: The head will move to a "crash zone", once transfer is done, especially on 2.5" drives. That's not the head parking after power down, but an area without data present, so in care of a headcrash, the data area is recoverable.
To actually crash a 2.5" there is quite some force necessary, probably in the area of forcefully throw it on a concrete floor (unless it's reading/writing).

[renan88657]

My 2.5" HDDs are a bit old, I don't know if they have the function of having automatic parking technology only when inactive? no read/no write/park

My models are: WD10JPVX-08JC3T5 and HGST HTS541010A99E662

Auto park technology has evolved in recent years

In the reports of people I see some 2.5" HDD + enclosure case USB 3.0 after being ejected in Windows 10 they remain connected and operating

[Gyro]

Any 2.5" HDD recent enough to be 1TB in capacity like yours (one Hitachi, one WD) will have unloading ramps and parking technology. Now get over it.

[renan88657]

These models are old, from 12 or 13 years ago. I think there are many updates to the park system, including the ability to enter autopark when the HDD is connected and working but without reading or writing. Some HDDs only have Park when the power goes out. I contacted WD but they said it was discontinued and they had no information about these models.

[Gyro]

...I contacted WD but they said it was discontinued and they had no information about these models.

If WD cannot satisfy you, then nobody and nothing can satisfy you other than buying new drives. I suggest that you do this rather than continuing to ask these questions.

[renan88657]

In Windows 10, does ejecting the 2.5" HDD + USB3.0 case turn off the drive or not?

[Gyro]

In Windows 10, does ejecting the 2.5" HDD + USB3.0 case turn off the drive or not?

As has already been discussed, it probably depends on the drive/usb adapter and maybe system settings. Just put your ear against the drive enclosure and tell us if it has stopped spinning. Then you can tell us! Why so difficult?

[renan88657]

my hdds very quiet no noise

[Gyro]

Then it's turned off.

[renan88657]

Does the plastic enclosure case for 2.5" HDD provide any kind of protection against shocks to the case on the table without damaging the HDD through the needle scratching the magnetic disk?

[Gyro]

I don't know. Does it?  All I've seen is a square of foam that you were complaining about in another thread.

You know very well by now that the heads are parked when the drive is not spinning and can withstand hundreds of g. Every time a question is answered, you go off on another tangent!

[renan88657]

I asked Seagate chat and they said that the 2.5" HDD was not turned off after ejecting the drive in Windows 10 the disks kept spinning with the needle on top

[ebastler]

Just on Reddit alone, there are about 100 (VERY approximate, I haven't counted) of their SPAM (or whatever) things, almost all, deleted, but are still mentioned.

Example (so far, this one has avoided deletion):
https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/1fymzom/doubt_hdd_impact/

As it might get deleted:

r/techsupport
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4 days ago
classicssamus87
Doubt HDD impact
Open | Hardware
[...]

"classicsamus87" is literally one of the many names used on this forum by the gentleman who was obsessed with his DVD drive and video game collection rotting away. "cloudff7", which you mentioned in an earlier post, was another name used on other forums by the same guy. Seems he is back...

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/electronic-device-storage/msg4478155/#msg4478155

I'll check with the mods whether they want to ban him, yet again. 

[Halcyon]

Yep. Matches previously banned users: tiago1986, classicsamus87, robertart, johnrodrigues, carlosff2 and tiago1986.

[magic]

Those threads were always going nowhere.
Each time there is somebody new to learn it the hard way

[Halcyon]

Those threads were always going nowhere.
Each time there is somebody new to learn it the hard way

The trouble is, we tend to err on the side of caution and not be over-zealous with the ban button. People are free to mostly post whatever. Banning users isn't taken lightly and we triple check that we are actually dealing with a previously banned user, or a spammer/scammer/bot before taking action. If I can't make a call one way or another, I tend to flag the account as "Watched" for other mods/future reference, with my notes.

Sometimes all the information isn't there right at the beginning, but you guys reporting your observations is always a massive help.

[Haenk]

(Having dealt with customers in computer-related stuff for more than half of my life, I see no suspicious questions here. Customers sending in multiple dozens of hand written pages, error protocol printouts etc. - boiling down to "yep, it's dead and needs to be replaced" did happen on a regular base. There *are* people who don't know a lot and tend to ask a lot, leading nowhere. Nervewrecking, yes, bad intentions, likely no. Sidenote: Banhammer or not is fine with me, I will not critize that decision...)

[MK14]

(Having dealt with customers in computer-related stuff for more than half of my life, I see no suspicious questions here. Customers sending in multiple dozens of hand written pages, error protocol printouts etc. - boiling down to "yep, it's dead and needs to be replaced" did happen on a regular base. There *are* people who don't know a lot and tend to ask a lot, leading nowhere. Nervewrecking, yes, bad intentions, likely no. Sidenote: Banhammer or not is fine with me, I will not critize that decision...)

It seems to be INTENTIONAL trolling, in this case.

E.g. The supplied images (including via other forums, to get the bigger picture), are often dated 2015 or 2021, which makes them sound non-genuine, as they should be considerably more recent, if genuine.

Another example, is that on some forums, they can speak good English, and write long coherent responses, but on other forums, they just keep on posting SPAM (like) posts.

[ebastler]

Either it's deliberate trolling, or obsessive/compulsive behaviour which they can't control. In either case these threads are never going anywhere: No answer is good enough to put the OP's mind at rest, there's always another question, another concern, another thread. Wasting everybody's time, whether it's readers of those threads or posters who try to help. A ban is the right response in my opinion.