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tggzzz:
From https://www.osnews.com/story/133955/gnome-to-prevent-theming-wider-community-not-happy/

--- Quote ---GNOME to prevent theming, wider community not happy
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There are various problems non-GNOME GTK developers are running into, but as a user, my biggest problem is GNOME’s adoption of libadwaita. GNOME is going to ship a library, libadwaita, that when used by an application, will force it to use the default light Adwaita theme, with no option to change it to dark mode or a different theme. The end result is that if you use GNOME, you’re going to start seeing applications – both from GNOME itself as well as from third parties – that do not respect your choice of GTK theme, and instead always default to light Adwaita.
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But of course, this problem extends beyond GNOME itself, as other popular GTK desktops, such as MATE, Cinnamon, and Budgie, also make use of both GTK applications, as well as components and applications from GNOME. On top of that, countless popular distributions, such as Linux Mint, Ubuntu, and Pop!_OS, all use custom themes. Their desktops will be severely broken since GNOME and GTK applications will no longer use their custom themes.
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This is a shitty situation, and the GNOME developers are causing a lot of bad blood and rifts here that really could have been avoided. Theming and customisation are a core aspect of the Linux desktop, and breaking it like this is going to make a lot of non-GNOME developers as well as users very, very unhappy.
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I'm sick of spotty 25yos "forgetting" the hard-learned lessons of history, and thinking new->better, and that they know what "new" should be.

Personally I like a GUI where

* all the menu options are visible, but dimmed if not applicable
* the menu operations stay in one place, and don't move/appear/disappear depending on what some cretinous algorithm decides I'm interested in
* I choose what best suits my eyesight and reading capabilities - not a dyslexic with 20/20 vision

Whales:
Working with popular GUI frameworks is a PITA from a technical perspective, so it's interesting to see them evolve to also be a PITA from a user perspective.  I once saw the existence of multiple GUI frameworks as bad; now I see that they're really good things to have around (and their "ugliness"/differences are a shallow problem compared to the real problems of day to day computer use).

Gnome & GTK is particularly sad because it was once a great thing with lots of themes and adoption back in the 2.x days.  I started using Linux with Ubuntu and Gnome 2, it was the ants pants.  I still use lots of 2.x GTK programs (it's like win32, it will have to always be there).  The GTK2 save dialog is still miles ahead of the GTK3 save dialog, I hate "search" based navigation of files.

Apparently Qt is easier/better than it used to be; but it's been years since I tried so I can't comment.  Is using their qmake mandatory?  I vaguely recall gtk-server being convenient, Puppy Linux uses it for GUIs in shell scripts.

magic:
I guess RedHat's corporate customers don't give a damn about theming :-DD


--- Quote ---Fortunately I use Xfce, not GNOME
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Indisputably the best integrated DE for Loonix :-+

If only they stayed with GTK2...

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: Whales on September 17, 2021, 08:06:42 am ---I once saw the existence of multiple GUI frameworks as bad; now I see that they're really good things to have around (and their "ugliness"/differences are a shallow problem compared to the real problems of day to day computer use).

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... and so he became an "enlightened one" :) Welcome to wisdom - I wish more people gained it :)

DiTBho:
too many forks, too many bugs, too many regressions

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