FreeBSD rather than Linux?

[Monkeh]

Yeah I wasted 20 years learning Linux

...

If I want to do anything on linux now I first have to destroy any possibility of privacy by first searching on the internet how to do something

So you didn't actually learn anything, then.

[DiTBho]

TrueOS, formerly PC-BSD or PCBSD, *WAS* a friendly system built upon the most recent releases of FreeBSD.
Unfortunately, this happened

TrueOS Discontinuation
Hey TrueOS Community! I just wanted to take a few minutes to address what some of you may have already guessed. With a heavy heart, the TrueOS Project’s core team has decided to discontinue the development of TrueOS for the foreseeable future. We’ll still be heavily involved in other Open Source projects like FreeNAS & TrueNAS CORE. We’re incredibly proud of the work we put into TrueOS and its predecessor, PC-BSD.

TrueOS source code will remain available on GitHub for others that may want to continue the work that we started so many years ago.

[nightfire]

Yes, sad- but thats in lots of free projects a case, when not enough people can share work an keep a momentum going- also dependent on a situation where one has to be able to devote some time to a project.

[DiTBho]

Hey oh? Bought two new old CD sets.

[nightfire]

Wow, some nostalgica coming up- I began my journey with FreeBSD with a similar pack of the 3.2R distribution set, back then sold in the book store for around 70 DM, IIRC.

[SiliconWizard]

Just wondering - what's up with the devilish imagery of BSD stuff?
Anyone knows the history behind that?

[RoGeorge]

It's called Beastie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon

[DiTBho]

It's called Beastie.

Yes, you can find Beastie on hats, mugs and T-shirts too

I have a small collection, but on Amazon I found a book with our friend Beastie on the cover, all about kernels, network stacks, and file-system internals (this interests me the most), and that's where I spent my last hobbyist weekly budget.

[Zucca]

Example for this discussion, Picoscope support in FreeBSD.

I would love to try out my bench PC with GhostBSD, but it needs to run the picoscope sw on it.

I posted here why there is no support for FreeBSD in Picoscope.

It is still a mistery to me is a Linux SW can run or not in FreeBSD, or if a linux driver is compatible in FreeBSD or not.

For example once I tried turn on the WOL function in the msk(4) ETH driver for FreeBSD.
It was not possible to get the datasheet of 88E8059, and they pointed me to the Linux driver which had the WOL funciton.

I found some similarities between the Linux and FreeBSD drivers but the road was too steep for me.... and I gave up.

[Zucca]

It's called Beastie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon

worth to mention from here

Many people equate the word "daemon" with the word "demon", implying some kind of satanic connection between UNIX and the underworld. This is an egregious misunderstanding. "Daemon" is actually a much older form of "demon"; daemons have no particular bias towards good or evil, but rather serve to help define a person's character or personality. The ancient Greeks' concept of a "personal daemon" was similar to the modern concept of a "guardian angel"—eudaemonia is the state of being helped or protected by a kindly spirit. As a rule, UNIX systems seem to be infested with both daemons and demons.

by Unix System Administration Handbook Evi Nemeth

[SiliconWizard]

It's called Beastie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon

worth to mention from here

Many people equate the word "daemon" with the word "demon", implying some kind of satanic connection between UNIX and the underworld. This is an egregious misunderstanding. "Daemon" is actually a much older form of "demon"; daemons have no particular bias towards good or evil, but rather serve to help define a person's character or personality. The ancient Greeks' concept of a "personal daemon" was similar to the modern concept of a "guardian angel"—eudaemonia is the state of being helped or protected by a kindly spirit. As a rule, UNIX systems seem to be infested with both daemons and demons.

by Unix System Administration Handbook Evi Nemeth

Yep, thanks for the pointers.
So basically, the idea of those devil-like mascots is a bit twisted.

[Nominal Animal]

So basically, the idea of those devil-like mascots is a bit twisted.

No, that's twisted.

The idea of Beastie is twofold: it's how you pronounce BSD, and it's a play on preconceptions.  Daemon ≠ devil, daemon ≠ demon.

You know, like banning "master" and "slave" because ostensibly some other people are hurt by their use because they have decided to always associate them with human slavery.

[barelectricbear]

So basically, the idea of those devil-like mascots is a bit twisted.

No, that's twisted.

The idea of Beastie is twofold: it's how you pronounce BSD, and it's a play on preconceptions.  Daemon ≠ devil, daemon ≠ demon.

You know, like banning "master" and "slave" because ostensibly some other people are hurt by their use because they have decided to always associate them with human slavery.

Even so, it is kind of strange they decided to use the Devil as the mascot, instead of an actual monster character like Frankenstien or Godzilla.
The Devil does not seem like a monster but a mischievous character who tricks you into doing his biding.

[barelectricbear]

Yeah I wasted 20 years learning Linux only for it to not turn into a career and for me to have a lot of broken dreams and a really bad headache. I started out optimistic and bought a bash howto book and a /dev/null mug and now I just feel like its all just pointless.

If I want to do anything on linux now I first have to destroy any possibility of privacy by first searching on the internet how to do something that I'm going to do on my own operating system within a console.

20 years is a long time to be working with Linux and not learn much. Have you considered switching careers maybe some kind of day labor or trade job?

What exactly do you want to accomplish with Linux that requires so much privacy? The internet was designed as a tool primarily for communication, as a side effect you are transmitting information that other people can see, so if you don't want to use it for that purpose, don't plugin your computer into the internet.

[RoGeorge]

20 years is a long time to be working with Linux and not learn much. Have you considered switching careers maybe some kind of day labor or trade job?

You are new to this forum, please read the rules:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/

The idea is to be nice to each other.  No personal attacks and no shaming others please.

[Nominal Animal]

So basically, the idea of those devil-like mascots is a bit twisted.

No, that's twisted.

The idea of Beastie is twofold: it's how you pronounce BSD, and it's a play on preconceptions.  Daemon ≠ devil, daemon ≠ demon.

You know, like banning "master" and "slave" because ostensibly some other people are hurt by their use because they have decided to always associate them with human slavery.

Even so, it is kind of strange they decided to use the Devil as the mascot, instead of an actual monster character like Frankenstien or Godzilla.
The Devil does not seem like a monster but a mischievous character who tricks you into doing his biding.

Dude.  Beastie is not related to the Devil.  It is a play on preconceptions, people assuming it is devilish just because it's a little beastie.
Ever heard of the Nightcrawler character in Marvel Comics?

It's adoption to specifically BSD later on has a lot to do with SystemV vs. BSD, during the era when Universities were bastions of free speech and new ideas and accepted people with their quirks (things like Beastie and researchers like Nash with mental health issues), and SystemV was perceived as the stuffy, more rigid and business-like Unix.

Just go read its history at Wikipedia.  No need to speculate or wonder about devil-worshipping or satanism here.

[Zucca]

Digging into jails in FreeBSD right now... they are soooo nice.

[barelectricbear]

So basically, the idea of those devil-like mascots is a bit twisted.

No, that's twisted.

The idea of Beastie is twofold: it's how you pronounce BSD, and it's a play on preconceptions.  Daemon ≠ devil, daemon ≠ demon.

You know, like banning "master" and "slave" because ostensibly some other people are hurt by their use because they have decided to always associate them with human slavery.

Even so, it is kind of strange they decided to use the Devil as the mascot, instead of an actual monster character like Frankenstien or Godzilla.
The Devil does not seem like a monster but a mischievous character who tricks you into doing his biding.

Dude.  Beastie is not related to the Devil.  It is a play on preconceptions, people assuming it is devilish just because it's a little beastie.
Ever heard of the Nightcrawler character in Marvel Comics?

It's adoption to specifically BSD later on has a lot to do with SystemV vs. BSD, during the era when Universities were bastions of free speech and new ideas and accepted people with their quirks (things like Beastie and researchers like Nash with mental health issues), and SystemV was perceived as the stuffy, more rigid and business-like Unix.

Just go read its history at Wikipedia.  No need to speculate or wonder about devil-worshipping or satanism here.

I am sure you have seen what "Beastie" looks like on the BSD(beast) images? It is obviously a copy of the Devil who has a pitch fork, tail and horns.
Just like the Devil in the Simpons episode and the same or kids dress up for holloween.


Regarding Nightcrawler, this is from the wiki page "Originally, Nightcrawler was a demon from Hell who had flubbed a mission..."
So there you have a direct insperational quote. So how is Beastie not the devil?

If I was the creator of BSD I would have stolen the GNU mascot, becuase it is some kind of beast creature and more fitting to the name.

I don't agree with you that we should not wonder or speculate about what the creators of something meant as it stiffles are own creativity as makers.

[Nominal Animal]

It is obviously a copy of the Devil who has a pitch fork, tail and horns.

You mean, the same way your username is obviously a reference to your sexual preferences?

I don't agree with you that we should not wonder or speculate about what the creators of something meant as it stiffles are own creativity as makers.

I object to applying your Judeo-Christian worldview and the concept of "demon" to Beastie, and claiming it is "obvious", and then wondering how such a clearly evil character was chosen.  It is all in your own head; don't ascribe your own associations with evil as intended by others.

(If it is not clear, my first sentence in this post, beginning with "You mean," is intended as an antiphrasis.  I consider your username just your username, because I do not know you, and do not want to ascribe any of my own opinions or views to your choice of username.  The intent is to show that ascribing such to others' choices without knowing the context where the choice was made is invalid: it does not yield anything useful or insightful at all.)

To me, Beastie looks much more like juvenile Puck, imp, or kobold, anyway.

[magic]

This is pure applied autism.

Of course the image is stolen from You Know Where and of course You Know Who will associate it with You Know What.

[DiTBho]

Today I am back to NetBSD, a cousin of FreeBSD.
Like it, it runs even on old m68k-mac-s! 

[Zucca]

Interesting but you can't stop there :-), what are the pros and cons in your opinion?

 

[DiTBho]

Interesting but you can't stop there :-), what are the pros and cons in your opinion?

NetBSD?

Pros (personal opinions, based on personal weird/wild needs):
The kernel runs on every kind of hardware!!!
From 68k-mac (Quadra/LC475, 68040@25Mhz, 32M RAM) to PowerMac G2(PowerMac4400), G3, G4!!!
But also Sh4 (Sega DreamCast, Hitachi SH-4 32-bit RISC@200 MHz, with only Memory 16 MB RAM!!!)

It's well documented, and well written.


Cons  (personal opinions, based on personal weird/wild needs):
NetBSD, like OpenBSD and FreeBSD, doesn't come with a kernel builder facility, you have to manualy edit files to configure the kernel.

Being BSD != GNU, I haven't integrated Catalyst or Portage yet to reuse my GNU/Linux profiles for stage{1..4}, so the NetBSD rootfs is the one created by them, to which I simply add ( re/compiling manually) my things.

I haven't yet migrated/adapted special kernel drivers for CANbus and optical fiber (PCI 32bit 3.3V and 5V, to be used with PowerMacG4), which are "too Linux-ish", and never released for BSD.

[Zucca]

Excellent, thanks!

[Nominal Animal]

This is pure applied autism.

Of course the image is stolen from You Know Where and of course You Know Who will associate it with You Know What.

You just wait when the autists find out the presidential flag of Finland contains a swastika.

(The variants of the symbol, tursaansydän and later hakaristi, are old; originates in prehistoric times, and was very often used as a symbol for good luck in Fennoscandia.  In the 18th century, the simpler "hakaristi" became more common in decorative motifs as in houses.  Simply put, it is not related to the toothbrush-mustachioed Austro-German failed artist at all.)

Because of exactly the same kind of furore as "master"/"slave" and now here about "beastie", the Finnish Air Forces has already quietly been removing the use of the symbol.  Even though it is neither technically or semantically the same symbol, but just because it is similar, and because stupid people make assumptions about outward appearances being similar indicating a semantic connection.

But oh no, we live in the 2020s, and everything must be interpreted by todays "moral standards", and deleted if it does offend the most vapid and stupid, in case it damages their fragile snowflake minds.  If we need to rewrite and reinterpret all of history to get there, we shall!