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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2020, 07:44:05 pm »
The definition of a stable system is that it and its programs don't crash.
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2020, 07:47:55 pm »
Try this browser: https://brave.com/  :-+
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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2020, 12:44:38 am »
I had to disable hyperthreading and reduce the CPU multiplier on my Intel Windows 10 test system to stop periodic crashes.

Sounds like a hardware problem to me.

Oh, I am sure of that. See below.

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It can be a weak power converter in either the power supply or the motherboard resulting in unstable power rails; unreliable memory modules due to bad chips, bad PCB design or higher than average background radiation; or a processor that aged badly.

If you have the funds, try replace the machine with an AMD Ryzen system with a reputable brand motherboard and unbuffered ECC memory. This replaces all PCB with newer and hopefully better designed ones, and ECC memory can catch the radiation-induced errors via SECDED.

The system is an NOS (new old stock) Asus P7P55D-E Pro with Intel i7-870 so almost 8 years old.  It was given to me as parts and I finally got around to having a use for it as a test system.

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2020, 08:23:53 am »
The only program to have issues is firefox. If several programs had issues I'd accept a machine issue. My bios is as updated as it can go but this is the last piece of Gigabyte/Aorus garbage i buy.
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2020, 08:47:07 am »
Most Linux distro's have live cd's that can run a very thorough memory test (without installing anything).
Grab one and let it it run overnight and see what happens.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/343114/how-to-check-for-errors-in-ram-via-linux
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2020, 02:28:22 pm »
The only program to have issues is firefox. If several programs had issues I'd accept a machine issue. My bios is as updated as it can go but this is the last piece of Gigabyte/Aorus garbage i buy.
I understand where you're coming from but Firefox isn't exactly flaky or obscure software either.
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2020, 03:43:00 pm »
Why keep using the G browser that spies on you? Stop behaving like sheeps. And Firefox is no more what it used to be, Mozilla is now run by a flock of ex politicians, LGTBI activists and all sorts of SJW and antifa weirdos ( https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/ ) who care more about the COC and everything else but their own browser. Gentlemen, seriously, switch to Brave, you won't regret it: http://brave.com





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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2020, 06:31:30 pm »
Why keep using the G browser that spies on you? Stop behaving like sheeps. And Firefox is no more what it used to be, Mozilla is now run by a flock of ex politicians, LGTBI activists and all sorts of SJW and antifa weirdos ( https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/ ) who care more about the COC and everything else but their own browser. Gentlemen, seriously, switch to Brave, you won't regret it: http://brave.com





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Hm, not so sure. So they serve up adds themselves, how? by blocking the sites own and putting their own in?
they claim to route your data through several servers to mask your location. Ah so we have trust them on that even though it's all free and they must get their money somehow.
 
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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2020, 06:34:28 pm »
This thing spookily looks like some kind of scam. ::)
 
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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2020, 06:40:59 pm »
has anyone used plain old chrome?
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2020, 06:47:22 pm »
has anyone used plain old chrome?
It's a perfectly serviceable browser. Er, sensor.
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2020, 06:48:42 pm »
Sorry i meant chromium
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2020, 10:16:48 pm »
Hm, not so sure. So they serve up adds themselves, how? by blocking the sites own and putting their own in?

Nope, no tracking, no ads, no nothing, full stop.

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they claim to route your data through several servers to mask your location. Ah so we have trust them on that even though it's all free and they must get their money somehow.

Watt? No! No such thing. Only if you use the built-in Tor browser (command-option-N).

Hey, instead of guessing, try it. It's good, very good, seriously!  :-+

This thing spookily looks like some kind of scam. ::)

Up your game, that's a cheap shot. At least have you tried it?
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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2020, 10:22:01 pm »
I checked and Brave apparently supports both NoScript and uBlock Origin, which are mandatory for me, so I will probably give it a try when I finish with some more important projects.
 
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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2020, 03:03:00 pm »
Sorry i meant chromium
I think that is the default on Raspbian. Outwards it works just like Chrome, minus the built-in Adobe-licensed PDF viewer and Flash player. (Chromium uses PDF.js instead as the built-in PDF viewer, and have no Flash player at all.) Google login and Chrome add-ins works as-is.

I checked and Brave apparently supports both NoScript and uBlock Origin, which are mandatory for me, so I will probably give it a try when I finish with some more important projects.
For me the mandatory ones are Nano Adblocker and EFF Privacy Badger. I think Nano Adblocker is a uBlock Origin fork? EFF Privacy Badger serves a similar purpose as NoScript when coming to blocking trackers, but allows other scripts to run so heavily script-based websites would still work properly.
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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #65 on: February 19, 2020, 06:57:59 pm »
It seems like the Nano Adblocker is almost a direct clone of uBlock Origin. Does it still allow blocking of individual page elements like those annoying popups on the latest youtube incarnation? The ones that pop up constantly warning that you are not signed in or the bar at the top warning that support for your browser will end soon.

Privacy Badger I will have to look at, seems similar to Ghostery.

What I like to do for fun is see how much stuff I can block before a site breaks. Here is Newegg, it still works and I can log in and complete purchases.



 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2020, 07:16:29 pm »
If we are so tetchy about chrome why use the internet at all? i pulled up the cookie options for the met office today and the list of third party cookies was easily 100 or more.
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2020, 07:29:52 pm »
Primary purpose of third-party cookies is advertising related tracking. They almost never are doing anything useful for you and should be turned off. I know this is now default in Firefox, not sure about other browsers.
 
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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2020, 08:00:52 pm »
Primary purpose of third-party cookies is advertising related tracking. They almost never are doing anything useful for you and should be turned off. I know this is now default in Firefox, not sure about other browsers.
That is what I am using EFF Privacy Badger for. It blocks trackers either entirely (blocking entire elements) or just block the cookies, however it usually leaves the rest of the page intact. (There have been a few cases when it broke some 3rd party captcha though, but it does allow manually allowing individual sources so just unblock the captcha provider and the rest would work as usual.)

It seems like the Nano Adblocker is almost a direct clone of uBlock Origin. Does it still allow blocking of individual page elements like those annoying popups on the latest youtube incarnation? The ones that pop up constantly warning that you are not signed in or the bar at the top warning that support for your browser will end soon.
I can block elements using Nano Adblocker. Well in its about page the Nano Adblocker authors are frank that their work is based on uBlock Origin but with their own modifications, hence I calling it a fork.
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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2020, 09:06:25 pm »
Same, use Privacy Badger here and it's very innocuous for the most part, to the point where I have to remember to check it if I find a page doesn't seem to be behaving normally.

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #70 on: February 20, 2020, 05:02:54 am »
If we are so tetchy about chrome why use the internet at all? i pulled up the cookie options for the met office today and the list of third party cookies was easily 100 or more.
It's sensible to block things outside of Chrome as well. It's a battle for your data and it's mostly used to either manipulate you or decide about you. Neither tends to serve you.
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #71 on: February 20, 2020, 08:43:59 am »
Well "they" don't manipulate me. I don't respond to adverts and I only buy what I need or want. I ask myself before any purchase, do i really want this?

As for deciding about me, who? deciding what?
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #72 on: February 20, 2020, 08:39:17 pm »
Well "they" don't manipulate me. I don't respond to adverts and I only buy what I need or want. I ask myself before any purchase, do i really want this?

As for deciding about me, who? deciding what?
You too are influenced by ads. Most people like to think they're independent and rational folks who aren't that easily manipulated. About half of people think ads don't influence them. That's obviously as plausible as the vast majority of people thinking they're superior drivers. Advertisers actually know people don't like the feeling of being coerced to buy something. That's why advertisement is much more subtle than that. It's not see X, buy X. How to influence people is a science which has been carefully crafted and perfected over decades. There's no shame in being susceptible to it as it's years of development and science versus what makes you human. We essentially don't stand a chance. Moreover, the more information people have about us, the less of a chance we stand. "...participants thought others would be influenced by the message, but that they themselves would remain unaffected. When psychologists looked at the results, though, it was clear that participants were just as influenced as other people. This was dubbed the ‘third-person effect’." See the first three links posted below for more on advertising.

It's not just advertisements though. We're constantly manipulated in many ways. Algorithms and bots decide a large part of our lives. What results you see when you do a websearch, what articles you see, what song comes up next, what ads are served to you and what videos Youtube suggests. Everything is carefully tuned to cater to your specific interests and needs to retain your attention the longest possible time. Here too does more information mean more well-crafted suggestions that serve the needs of those making the suggestions. Many people never even realize they live in a search bubble constructed by someone else for the benefit of someone else.



It doesn't stop there though. Companies you never heard of know more about you than you could ever imagine. They collect data from various sources and compile these into results. They score you and they rate you and how you do has a meaningful impact on your life. These kinds of companies end up deciding whether you're considered a trustworthy customer, whether you can rent a car at what rate, whether you're a big fish with cash to burn. All you might get on your end is a "computer says no" and you'll never know that it was your data and some algorithm that made this happen to you. See the bottom two links for some more information.

Big data is a very exciting field but it can be a great friend, but also your worst enemy. All these things are only possible because large datasets about you exist and many groups know a lot about you while you know nothing about hem. There's no way to win such an imbalanced situation. The best thing you can do is reducing the amount of data collected as much as possible even if it's not going to ultimately save you.

https://scottfenstermaker.com/third-person-effect/
https://medium.com/@dahanese/advertising-works-don-t-believe-me-then-you-are-my-favorite-demographic-ebf6b1f2541a
https://www.mediavsreality.com/mediavsreality/2018/12/6/advertising-doesnt-work-on-me

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/business/secret-consumer-score-access.html
https://www.fastcompany.com/90310803/here-are-the-data-brokers-quietly-buying-and-selling-your-personal-information
 
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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #73 on: February 20, 2020, 08:50:16 pm »
Yes most people have an ego, I don't, i am happy to see that i am wrong or that I need to change approach. I know i am not the best driver, but I also know I am not a dangerous and reckless one. i don't like echo chambers which is why i hardly use facebook. i recently left a group that bashes our prime minister who i hate as much as the next rational person does because i could see that like any other social media echo chamber it's just "one side" name calling "the other side". I don't go in for that crap but I'm sure someone is profiling them nicely for the next election

If people truly want their privacy back they have to accept that they have to pay for stuff. But people don't want to pay for stuff so it's a race to the bottom that big corporate exploits. Sadly most people are too stupid to see it.
 

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Re: How much memory do Chrome take on your computer?
« Reply #74 on: February 20, 2020, 08:59:37 pm »
Yes most people have an ego, I don't, i am happy to see that i am wrong or that I need to change approach. I know i am not the best driver, but I also know I am not a dangerous and reckless one. i don't like echo chambers which is why i hardly use facebook. i recently left a group that bashes our prime minister who i hate as much as the next rational person does because i could see that like any other social media echo chamber it's just "one side" name calling "the other side". I don't go in for that crap but I'm sure someone is profiling them nicely for the next election

If people truly want their privacy back they have to accept that they have to pay for stuff. But people don't want to pay for stuff so it's a race to the bottom that big corporate exploits. Sadly most people are too stupid to see it.
I don't get the feeling you read the links that were posted very carefully. People who feel they're not susceptible are found to be actually more susceptible to influence. That's not surprising either, as people who think they are safe are much easier to catch out. Your sentence "I don't go in for that crap but I'm sure someone is profiling them nicely for the next election" almost seems to be a textbook example of the third person effect described in the first link. Apparently you have enough of an ego to tell yourself you're not fooled by any of this. ;D
 


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