long PC power supply

[coppercone2]

I am very disappointed by modern high power PSU because they are built like micro phone chargers.

Is there a power supply thats got all the nice features (like the 80%+ rating platinum etc) that fits in the standard PSU case but is elongated on the Z axis so it does not have such high density? Even like two inches. I have about 7 inches of spare room in my case and I would prefer it to be a longer same size brick then having to drill more holes in it (I would need to make a bracket).

I am looking at like 800W. The case I have is 2 bay PSU, so it can be taller but I am not sure that would help. I want something without so many fucking riser cards (tomb stones) in it. I want to look at it sideways and see a single PCB on the bottom not a converging  spiral of PCB, I am sure they want to go full logarithmic spiral now, complete with a black hole in the middle and polar vortexes of plasma when it goes bad. Pizza, not lasagna and defiantly not a pizza roll.

think spaceballs

[Doctorandus_P]

Consumer market PC power supplies are pretty much standardized into the same (almost) square bricks, which is ... ATX standard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_supply_unit_(computer)

In the market for servers there are some other form factors used.

At:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_supply_unit_(computer)#Other_form_factors
I see a "flexATX" which is a bit more elongated.

[wraper]

Is there a power supply thats got all the nice features (like the 80%+ rating platinum etc) that fits in the standard PSU case but is elongated on the Z axis so it does not have such high density? Even like two inches. I have about 7 inches of spare room in my case and I would prefer it to be a longer same size brick then having to drill more holes in it (I would need to make a bracket).

I bought such elongated 1kW PSU around 12 years ago but it makes little sense nowadays. Simply because it is not needed as modern high power PSUs have very high efficiency thus large radiators are not needed. Larger size will only increase use of materials and power loses in copper traces. Also because it's not standard it might not fit in some cases. And for measly 800W it makes even less sense.

[rdl]

It's not really clear what you are looking for as far as HxWxD. If you want just a single board inside look at 1u server power supplies.

[Mr. Scram]

You're asking for a longer design? Why? Do you think it'll help cooling? Modern supplies are so efficient they often don't even turn their fan on.

[coppercone2]

You're asking for a longer design? Why? Do you think it'll help cooling? Modern supplies are so efficient they often don't even turn their fan on.

they are difficult to fix with all the fucking tomb stones everywhere and I think it leads to bad design or weird decisions based on EMI. Nice flat design like a Sorenesen. This thing is filled with tuning forks and weird shit like transformers mounted on daughter boards.

[PKTKS]

they are difficult to fix with all the fucking tomb stones everywhere and I think it leads to bad design or weird decisions based on EMI. Nice flat design like a Sorenesen. This thing is filled with tuning forks and weird shit like transformers mounted on daughter boards.

They were not meant to be fixed at all.

They introduced those "folkloric adorable ratings" to cloud
what underlays the legislation today.

Legislators driven by mains providers lobby are making
demands (high demands) for "green"  efficient things..

so to spare heavy investments urged needed by the mains grid..

They crammed a bunch of stuff inside the ATX and left  no space
almost for a finger... some not even a hair

So we are paying a "PSU" which actually does the mains provider
job  (aka Power Factor Correction)  with crappy "patented" tech..
and Load Regulation left aside.. CLOUDY by those funny ratings
plus gold platinum... WTF garbage

If you are not aware of using two ATX of 500W to provide a
sane power check how some folks glue together 2 cheap
very affordable ATX PSUs w/ HALF BRIDGE no PFC almost 80%
efficient - plenty space inside...

One your system + One dedicated to GPU at 12V only.
Plus that nice board you can buy EBAY ALI just some dozen cents.

They work far more reliable than an enormous 1000W PSU
actually doing PFC for your mains provider..

downside the 2 cases..  only
Paul

[wraper]

If you are not aware of using two ATX of 500W to provide a
sane power check how some folks glue together 2 cheap
very affordable ATX PSUs w/ HALF BRIDGE no PFC almost 80%
efficient - plenty space inside...

You just described some pure junk (illegal in EU) not even qualifying to 80+ basic, not to say bronze, silver, gold... efficiency rating. FYI with our electricity prices buying cheap psu in long term will cost more in electricity than buying more expensive model. Oh, and your "almost 80%" wastes more than 2 times more power than 80+ gold PSU. Not to say that electronic electricity meters often report significantly higher than actual consumption when present with load with distorted current. BTW tying 2 PSUs is not that straightforward as you might think. 1. There is no place for second PSU in standard case. 2. Leaving 3.3V/5V without load often leaves 12V rail with reduced voltage under load. Secondary PSU may not even start due to protection. And you cannot connect power rails in parallel. 3. It may cause issues at computer startup even when both of them start.

They work far more reliable than an enormous 1000W PSU
actually doing PFC for your mains provider.

BS. It's simply ridiculous that two (4 times higher chance of single unit failure) PSUs built with cheap parts are more reliable than single PSU built with more expensive parts.

[PKTKS]

You just described some pure junk (illegal in EU)

Agreed. I do consider that a junk solution as well.

I will put some more considerations which i think will
make we agree more than disagree... hopefully

"Illegal" I will not even try to enter the merit as long
as the issue is "de facto" caused by legislation.

I will put just solutions - good ones - sustainable
cheaper and good enough in any normal  condition.

.. not even qualifying to 80+ basic, not to say bronze, silver, gold... efficiency rating. FYI with our electricity prices buying cheap psu in long term will cost more in electricity than buying more expensive model. Oh, and your "almost 80%" wastes more than 2 times more power than 80+ gold PSU.

No. You may (should) refer to sites dedicated in doing
"ratings (silver/bronze..) comparisons..".  To our discussion
all things will have the bottom line below:

- Those ratings apply to fully loaded (or 70% loaded) PSUs.
- ok above 80% of load some present "higher" "efficient" ratings
- 84%... 85% .. some 88%...   at 80% of load.. (on 1000W PSU..)
- that is a lot...  now.. BELOW 50% load... a DAMN CRAPY PROBLEM ..
 those designs present "efficient" well below 70%  60% .. typically
(will not put this here - google the folks which do tests far better than me..)
(those 1000W  gold silver gizmos are crappy garbage under light loads)

Well unless (EVERYBODY) start using 1000W PSUs at 80% or 90% load...
we have a real scary scalable problem of having less than 60% efficient
PSUs under "idle"..

No controversy - tests are well made.. both apply
- high ratings under high loads
- crappy ratings under light loads.

Now considering an average HALF-BRIDGE design with PROS:
- easily fixable - sustainable design
- RATINGS ARE just marginally lower like 78% or 80% efficient
- WORKS THE SAME WAY UNDER LIGHT or HEAVY LOADS FULL TIME
- RESULTS ARE SCALABLE - you can say pretty confident 78% efficient
- THAT SHOULD BE MORE THAN GOOD ENOUGH - by all means
- APART (obviously) the legislation.. - the lobby and required investments in
 better power grids..  - out of discussion here

By using 2x 500W ATX units (agreed it is a junk solution) PROs:
- you have 1000W not even warm solution - cheap reliable repairable
- EFFICIENT - as long as 78% is good enough
- 99% supervisors monitors the 5V ALW line.. good
- it is easy to put a dummy load of 1A on that line using just 12V to GPU
- 12 load regulation?  no!  GPUs uses the 12V inputs for 1 Volt Vcore-VRM
- any side effect ?  NONE - GPUs works damn fine using a dedicated 12V rail

ANY CONs?  yes a secondary ATX sized board or case...
- is it GOOD ?  No. obviously not - just a compromise..
- CHEAP?  Yes  - a 1000W/1600W PSU is costing U$500 or U$800 or even U$1000
3x 500W ATX HALF-BRIDGE designs are under 80 box only
- RELIABLE? - YES - as long as you use a line conditioner for them
- EXPENSIVE? NO - they work just  fine with a NORMAL non-sinus models
- while 1000W PSU would require a VERY EXPENSIVE TRUE SINE 3KVA inverter..

- I would rather wasting 80 box in that junk than $500 in the other.. (plus inverter)

Hope we agree more than disagree at this point
considering that expending at least 5x to 8x times
just to power a GPU is not clever.

New ATX12VO  is not here by choice..
the ATX thing reached a level of non sense based on those
paid "ratings" and certificates...

Last comment - I checked this solution myself
being far more adequate than expected.
Question is how you manage the second case.

The only problem so far.
Paul

[rrinker]

 Most people buy way too big a power supply - negating much of the "high efficiency" rating.

There have been a few ATX+ sized power supplies, if you have a case that can fit such a thing. Many physically can, but then the extra length covers up the slots for the cables to go through to make a neat wiring job.

The good ones these days -  have 10 year or more warranties on them. I'm not too worried. I've got 7 and 8 year old machines still running fine.

I recently put together a new server. When completed, it will have 32GB RAM, 2 network cards, 2x M.2 SSDs, 2x SATA SSDs, and 4x SATA spinning rust. Cheapest video card I could find, since it doesn't need to be one of those high power gaming things. I got a 550 watt power supply - and even that may actually be too much to operate in the best efficiency range, but most smaller ones stop being modular so all the cables have to be dealt with. This one has enough SATA power connectors to handle the final system. And neatly divided, too, one of them has 2 connectors, which can server the SATA SSDs which mount on the back of the motherboard tray, and another has 4 connectors for the 3.5" ones that mount in the drive bays. 80+ Gold, built like a brick dunny  with all top brand caps (the best review sites actually take these things apart and provide detailed pictures of the guts, in addition to all the load tests), and has a 10 year warranty.
 I'm impressed by this system enough that I want to replace my main desktop with the same thing, only swap all the drives out for just a single M.2 SSD, ditch the second network adapter, and put a real video card in. I think 550 watts will still be enough.

[PKTKS]

Most people buy way too big a power supply - negating much of the "high efficiency" rating.

They do. Mostly they just are not aware of facts.
Induced by those "is better" propaganda

Gamers are on top of the list.

There have been a few ATX+ sized power supplies, if you have a case that can fit such a thing. Many physically can, but then the extra length covers up the slots for the cables to go through to make a neat wiring job.

TRUE. I have considered SERVER CLASS PSUs but ...
they are not cheaper
they are not suited as ATX just replace and go
several problems as a server case has ZERO relation with a GAMER
case... much like related WITH LEDs and glass covers...

while server cases are pretty much built around the FANS...

The good ones these days -  have 10 year or more warranties on them. I'm not too worried. I've got 7 and 8 year old machines still running fine.

May be in US even EU things work just fine by RMA (replacement my best guess)

But not here. RMA here is far too much "complicated"
Warranty if so does not even reach 2 years. A year typical.

Add that double price per taxes and other expenses.
Even so  I doubt a warranty of 3 or 5 years will make any difference...

Problem will be solved by new ATX12VO form factor.

Hopefully
Paul

[rrinker]

 Perhaps they don't sell the same models in your country, but if they are willing to offer 10 year warranty replacement on the product, that tells me they have confidence that not enough will fail in that time period to ruin their profits. I could get the same power capacity at less than half the cost if I bought a much cheaper brand - which would only have a 1 or maybe 2 year warranty. Because it would be made with the cheapest components possible to save money, using an old design, possibly even fake parts (or at least not caring enough about the supply chain to know if they got a genuine controller chip or some fake). 
 This whole gamer silliness just annoys me. RGB everything - fans, on the MB itself, power supplies, the FREAKING CABLES, RAM modules, SSDs - I think they've pretty much managed to put RGB lighting on every possible object that goes into the computer now. All that wasted money that could have paid the difference to the next better video card and you know, actually improved gaming performance. The end result is I have to get a motherboard with a ton of things I don't want or need, just to get the features I do want. The cheaper ones without RGB controls and stuff share more ports, or use some crappy Ethernet chipset. I have never ever build a computer with a clear window on the side - my computers have always been parked on the floor next to my desk where no one would see such a window anyway. I kind of equate these people that go for this stuff to the ones who take a small Honda and replace the exhaust with a sewer pipe and cut the springs to lower the ride height and think they now have a 'sports car'. And then get annoyed when my 27 year old slow pickup truck pulls away faster.

[wraper]

Well unless (EVERYBODY) start using 1000W PSUs at 80% or 90% load...
we have a real scary scalable problem of having less than 60% efficient
PSUs under "idle"..

Above is the picture with requirements for certification. As you can see there is required efficiency at 20% load and even 10% for titanium. And the best efficiency should be at around 50% load.

By using 2x 500W ATX units (agreed it is a junk solution) PROs:
- you have 1000W not even warm solution - cheap reliable repairable
- EFFICIENT - as long as 78% is good enough
- 99% supervisors monitors the 5V ALW line.. good
- it is easy to put a dummy load of 1A on that line using just 12V to GPU

Using two PSUs only reduces efficiency because both of them use power required to just run. Even without considering transferring any energy to load. 78% efficiency is abysmally bad these days.

- 12 load regulation?  no!  GPUs uses the 12V inputs for 1 Volt Vcore-VRM
- any side effect ?  NONE - GPUs works damn fine using a dedicated 12V rail

There are a lot of issues with that. For example crappy 12V regulation when lower voltage rails are not loaded as I mentioned above.

[PKTKS]

Perhaps they don't sell the same models in your country, but if they are willing to offer 10 year warranty replacement on the product, that tells me they have confidence that not enough will fail in that time period to ruin their profits.
(..)

Hard to say.  But from experience ?
I would not buy that "10 warranty bait"

At the brink of a whole new form factor I would
not even consider that an issue.

You see...  I can power VideoCards for repair with
my bench PSU just fine ... using an external safe secure
bench PSU  combined with a MOBO setup..

It is not a big deal to power a power hungry GPU..
the problem is putting such solution into a proper case.

At the brink of this new ATX form factor I think
we better wait than just get those warranty baits

In a couple of years those 1000W beasts won't matter.
Paul

[PKTKS]

(..)
Above is the picture with requirements for certification. As you can see there is required efficiency at 20% load and even 10% for titanium. And the best efficiency should be at around 50% load. Using two PSUs only reduces efficiency because both of them use power required to just run. Even without considering transferring any energy to load.

I SAW THAT...   Actually I see these "WALLS OF STICKERS"
everywhere - and there are a lot of stickers...

I keep a ****VERY*** close track on folks  doing real world tests..
These stickers don't hold on real world.
above 800W PFC designs really sucks with light (idle)  loads.
The tests are wide available on the net...
even certificates from people .. not related w/gov.agn.

No matter the bait they published -- there is a **VERY** strong
lobby of patent holders and share holders behind that certificates.

Another whole discussion
Paul

[wraper]

I SAW THAT...   Actually I see these "WALLS OF STICKERS"
everywhere - and there are a lot of stickers...

I keep a ****VERY*** close track on folks  doing real world tests..
These stickers don't hold on real world.
above 800W PFC designs really sucks with light (idle)  loads.
The tests are wide available on the net...
even certificates from people .. not related w/gov.agn.

They hold to certifications pretty well according to reviewer tests. Even in questionable cases it's something like 1-2% below efficiency that must be according to certification. Certainly better than abysmal 78% efficiency you promote.

No matter the bait they published -- there is a **VERY** strong
lobby of patent holders and share holders behind that certificates.

Of course Ecos Consulting (80 plus) has strong intention everyone using their certification (they get money from that). But that ends about there. As for patents I dunno what you are talking about.

[PKTKS]

Of course Ecos Consulting (80 plus) has strong intention everyone using their certification (they get money from that).

It obvious depends upon the tests..
But we agree very well in the above (bolded - no upper caps) point ..
They do a *very* good money from that stickers..

The patent issues is simple:
- several semi corp. invested a lot building PFC dedicated controllers
- they were driven by legislators driven by other lobby - a supply chain
- dedicated PFC chips suited for doing those marvelous stickers looking good.

We now should pay those investments by 8x times the price of
perfect good 78%  efficient solution. Is that BAD? really ?

Marginally better 82% or 84%  8x times the price?

You got the point very well.

If 8x times more costly is not argument enough..
we just wait the new ATX12VO ..

And I doubt they will dump those stickers.. either
even being no longer necessary

Paul

[wraper]

The patent issues is simple:
- several semi corp. invested a lot building PFC dedicated controllers
- they were driven by legislators driven by other lobby - a supply chain
- dedicated PFC chips suited for doing those marvelous stickers looking good.

We now should pay those investments by 8x times the price of
perfect good 78%  efficient solution. Is that BAD? really ?

Marginally better 82% or 84%  8x times the price?

Some first grade bullshit here. You saying that 80+ bronze (or even basic @ 230V) which are the low end are 8x more expensive than crap you promote. You cannot possibly buy PSU with real power rating on a sticker for that cheap.

[PKTKS]

Some first grade bullshit here. You saying that 80+ bronze (or even basic @ 230V) which are the low end are 8x more expensive than crap you promote. You cannot possibly buy PSU that cheap.

I just bought 5 (five) last week U$15 box each (around R$70 here).  period

They are regular HALF-BRIDGE designs using the split-cap
virtual ground as usual. Each one provides 500W of power
just fine - at at least 78%.

I just don't run them on 230 (although my bench uses a 280VAC
VARIAC for full load testings) because my mains are 120V

Running fine. At 120VAC 500W with 78% efficient.
Normal Line Conditioners with plain semi-sinus UPS.

Nothing to complain - good enough solution
And just in case I need 1000W more...
I would do the tricks of adding another one.

No worries - good enough to me - no stickers as well
Paul

[wraper]

I just bought 5 (five) last week U$15 box each.  period

Then you are an idiot for buying complete junk. For this money you only can buy crap like Codegen with fake power rating and junk parts inside. And you will be lucky if it survives 20 minutes under 80% load. https://www.newegg.com/raidmax-vortex-rx-500af-v-500w/p/1HU-0061-000A0?&quicklink=true $40 for 500W bronze. 40/8 = $5.

[PKTKS]

I won' take and
I won't  reply insults..   but it is clear that

THEY HAVE NO STICKERS.
no bronze no platinum no gold..  regular PSUs

They are regular - very good quality -
indeed they  are from the same manufact.
which  sells those rated stickers ones..

Same fab quality.  I could even post pictures
and things - but.. i guess you value more
the stickers.

They don't have stickers.
They are (BRAND here)  first quality products.

Just a choice.
Paul

[wraper]

Same fab quality.  I could even post pictures
and things - but.. i guess you value more
the stickers.

I would be thankful if you post pictures of internals.

[PKTKS]

Same fab quality.  I could even post pictures
and things - but.. i guess you value more
the stickers.

I would be thankful if you post pictures of internals.

Not sure what you expect if different or extraordinary...

They are the regular widely available HALF-BRIDGE ATX
at least last 20 years standard.

Here you have - plain simple Chinese manufct. with
pretty decent acceptable quality.

For the record:
- I CHECKED THE ONE ALREADY OPEN
- THEY DO PROVIDE 550W SAFE AND CLEAN - prior to powering off
- cooling fan is more than adequate for 500W power
- 2 units roughly will do more than 300W each

There you go - absolute nothing - nada - zero - zipo thing new.

Paul

[PKTKS]

forgot this  last one shot..

As you can see I can buy parts for this PSU
at dozen quants.  very cheap and easy.

No hassle not even worry about warranty.

Really
Paul

[senso]

So...

Your mega PSU's can only make 300Watts, but advertise 500W, and you say that they are nice, and safe and well made 
Its so WELL MADE, that the freaking earth wire is not even soldered to the socket nor wired to the chassis, thats so real safe crap right there for sure
Gotta love some floating chassis.. 

Buy a Seasonic PSU, a 420Watts will cost you 30€, with real ratings and can work at 420 Watts load without bursting into fire.

That, or keep ripping your friends/costumers with junk while you pat yourself on your back about how great they are(because they make you a nice profit).