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AntiProtonBoy:

--- Quote from: PKTKS on January 17, 2022, 03:46:14 pm ---Because it is no longer *NIX .. it is something complete departure from *NIX
several forums call them POTTERIX and i think it is the best definition...

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That's not necessarily a bad thing?

PKTKS:

--- Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on January 17, 2022, 11:46:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: PKTKS on January 17, 2022, 03:46:14 pm ---Because it is no longer *NIX .. it is something complete departure from *NIX
several forums call them POTTERIX and i think it is the best definition...

--- End quote ---
That's not necessarily a bad thing?

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YES and NO.
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YES...
For my 6y old nephew is a bless.. He can power up his doom game
MINT machine and do everything himself  Amazingly fast he
memorized the icons to upgrade linux and play his games..
I am very happy seeing him fussing around...

Obviously when anything just F*** he press the UNCLE PAAAAAAUL button

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NO for anything other than a KIOSK or
the  press button machine for a 6y old kid...

Why?... Well ...  I will try to be short ... ..
- Since the real *NIX kernel from version 2.6x  moved the device management
from /proc to /sys (to allow all the crazy USB gizmos attach) things got
weird.. 

Managing devices like network links complex interfaces and disks with
also a  complex file system hierarchy and other critical pieces of a real
infra struct. is not trivial. In particular using

security mechanisms and proper system daemons..

UNIX traditionally always had a 100% proof init logic to handle this...
Decades of professional managed tools for sys admin

The advent os SYSFS (managed by udev) caused 2 things:
- for my 6y old nephew a bless he can just see things popping..and working (like pen wifi..)
- for any other sys admin a total nightmare ...

Setting up a complex network with several attached interfaces and
mounting a dozen file systems became really complex with udev..
the rules are insanely arcane and things can go really adhoc bad..

Necessary to understand that UDEV has been INTEGRATED into systemd
among other several dozens critical tools.. (like DNS resolver, disk tools..etc)

UNLIKE traditional safe and methodic configurable (by sys admin) systemd
became a panacea of a messy bloated stuff pile together.. exposed via  SYSFS

So.. however even though I am very happy to see my 6y nephew happy with his doom
machine.. (which I will just overwrite when he calls UNCLE PAAAAULLL )

I will never ever run such a messy systemd thing on my servers...

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Like Android,, ChromeBooks..
it has a niche.. the kiddo loves it..  ^-^

But... Not on my bench.. or any serious machine...  :-+
Paul

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: PKTKS on January 18, 2022, 01:12:08 pm ---*************************************************
Like Android,, ChromeBooks..
it has a niche.. the kiddo loves it..  ^-^

But... Not on my bench.. or any serious machine...  :-+

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Well sure... but here you were talking about MINT to begin with. And I personally wouldn't consider putting MINT on any "serious machine" myself, so... :popcorn:

Nominal Animal:
None of my Linux machines are "serious".  The laptops and desktop ones all boot up with Tux rolling its eyes like its last herring was laced with crack.

And yet, those are miles more "serious" than the Linux appliances like routers I've looked at.  Their "firmware" looks like the integrator themselves was on crack when they put that shit together.

I don't think 'serious' is a word one can accurately use when talking about computers anymore, unless it refers to money, as in 'this cost serious money'.

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