Mystery Underwater Device Lost By U.S. Navy in Adriatic Sea.

[Fraser]

Don’t you just love it as the presenting scientist sits and talks behind his desk and then rises to casually walk around to the front of the desk to continue his presentation .... classic stuff 

Fraser

[Electro Detective]

Here in Germany one underwater observatory got missing in action last summer.

The more the media will write about it (and most notably about the $$$ related) the more fishermen will try to fish the stuff out of sea..

and if they don't get paid for fishing out someone else's irresponsibly dumped TRASH, there's always Youtube and Patreon 

 

[Fraser]

Electro Detective,

What “dumped trash” are you referring to ? Scientific research equipment is usually recovered, where possible, after the mission is completed. It is too valuable to leave behind and abandonment goes against most scientists ethics regarding polluting the sea. Many deep sea scientific instruments need to be recovered fir data download anyway ! This is not like some well known cases of dumping industrial waste and obsolete sea going vessels in deep water.

Fraser

[joeqsmith]

Here is the article, i believe you can find some info in English sites.
...
I'm wondering if you know for any other similar stories, accidental discoveries of army equipment or so?

Fairly recent.
https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/georgia-amateur-divers-find-long-lost-nuclear-warhead/

[Fraser]

Another nuclear bomb loss incident......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37875697

Fraser

[Fraser]

The full story of the H bomb dumped in the sea after the mid air collision incident. I am amazed that the search was not continued then and in later years to discover the bombs location. Good that it has now been recovered safely. It was in a ‘safe’ mode anyway, with no Plutonium trigger, but still not great to have it laying around !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8107908.stm

Fraser

[Electro Detective]

Electro Detective,

What “dumped trash” are you referring to ? Scientific research equipment is usually recovered, where possible, after the mission is completed. It is too valuable to leave behind and abandonment goes against most scientists ethics regarding polluting the sea. Many deep sea scientific instruments need to be recovered fir data download anyway ! This is not like some well known cases of dumping industrial waste and obsolete sea going vessels in deep water.

Fraser

'scientists ethics' aren't worth much if their research/data gathering money gets pulled,

and or bean counting employers don't want to pay for recovery, re-deployment, and or scrapping/disposal.

Dumpers of industrial waste and obsolete sea going vessels in deep water deserve public shame,
and their ill gotten profits directed to cleaning up THEIR mess.
They should do something useful in the short time they have left, rather than back pat themselves on saving a buck by dumping,
passing that lousy buck to future generations to carry. 

I'm certain there's a special department in Hell for these types when they cash out,
a heated petition form concerned people can fill out would be handy, to ensure they get what's coming,
and handball it to the appropriate messenger clerk   

[Fraser]

As an ex Maritime Radio Officer I can assure you that you need to be very confident that you will not get caught dumping junk in the Worlds Seas. Some countries apply stiffer penalties than others but many cruise ships have been fined enormous sums of money for dumping waste at sea, including raw sewage that is biodegradeable.

https://www.epa.gov/ocean-dumping/learn-about-ocean-dumping

Attitudes have improved towards the sea and its pollution, but there is a very long way to go. As a lover of the sea, I understand your anger with people dumping their unwanted rubbish in it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2019/06/11/carnival-cruise-to-pay-20-million-after-admitting-to-dumping-plastic-waste-in-the-bahamas/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jul/22/janemartinson

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/02/the-40m-magic-pipe-princess-cruises-given-record-fine-for-dumping-oil-at-sea

https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/9226261/carnival-cruise-dumping-waste-guilty-fine/

https://www.ybw.com/news-from-yachting-boating-world/princess-cruise-lines-fined-record-amount-for-dumping-at-sea-45199

China regulations....

http://www.asianlii.org/cn/legis/cen/laws/rocodowito564/


Fraser

[Fraser]

The UN view on dumping ANYTHING at sea.......

https://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part1.htm

Fraser

[daqq]

Electro Detective: You should really get things into perspective. The total amount of stuff dumped* and left in the ocean by scientists is absolutely negligible when compared to a single dump of crap by some shoddy business. Scientific gear generally serves a noble and important purpose. You are essentially conflating a people who 'dump'* a few tens of kgs per year with the express intent of understanding how things work and in the process doing vital research with people who don't give a shit about anything aside from a quick buck and don't mind dumping a few tons daily.

I'm fully onboard with shaming and jailing dumpers of industrial waste and all sorts of polluters, but I don't think that scientific monitoring equipment falls into this category.

'scientists ethics' aren't worth much if their research/data gathering money gets pulled,

While I do not doubt that there are people like that in the scientific community, I'd say that it's a small percentage.

* - when it's not recovered.

[Fraser]

Trawlers that operate in some parts of the World that had sea mines, parachute mines or dumped ordnance left over (effectively dumped) after past conflicts are exposed to the very real risk of ‘catching’ an in exploded mine or other explosive device    The mines are of varying ages and can be still functional and highly sensitive. This could be another cause of trawlers just ‘disappearing’ without a Mayday or survivors as the mines contain a large amount of explosive and fragmentation metal. 

https://www.forces.net/news/german-wartime-parachute-mine-caught-fishing-boat

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/skipper-describes-nervy-moment-pulled-2450283


Fraser

[Fraser]

As this is posted in the General computing section of the forum (it may get moved to ‘General’) I thought this story appropriate regarding lost technology and the weird way that it was found again !

A USB memory stick was found in a Scat sample from a Leopard Seal by Scientists !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47135528

Fraser

[Fraser]

Garfield phone mystery from the 1980’s partially solved in 2019 

As can be seen, lost containers at sea likely cause more pollution than the odd lost scientific platform on the sea bed 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/garfield-phones-mystery-devices-washing-up-on-beaches-france/

Fraser

[Fraser]

Some lost technology gets reunited with its owners against all odds !

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/lost-camera-wash-up-taiwan-japan-park-lee-facebook-a8281721.html

Fraser

[Fraser]

2018.... lost science equipment containing important geological movement data from the sea bed. 25 responded to ‘come home’ signal, 5 did not. Possible equipment failure or maybe lost to trawler activities ?

https://sunlive.co.nz/news/231184-search-on-seas-missing-science-equipment.html

The hunt goes on in 2020......

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/gns-scientists-search-for-earthquake-sensors-missing-off-east-coast-of-north-island.html

Fraser

[nardev]

Here is the article, i believe you can find some info in English sites.
...
I'm wondering if you know for any other similar stories, accidental discoveries of army equipment or so?

Fairly recent.
https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/georgia-amateur-divers-find-long-lost-nuclear-warhead/

  Ou my

[Fraser]

Mini ROV recovery operation after loss....

https://news.sky.com/story/deep-ocean-live-rescuers-save-mini-submarine-which-was-stranded-on-seabed-11665280

Fraser

[Fraser]

Lost ROV reappears on reef........

https://www.sanpedrosun.com/environment/2015/03/25/submersible-rov-successfully-removed-from-reef/

http://www.deepseanews.com/2015/03/does-this-rov-belong-to-you/

Fraser

[nardev]

CJay,

The scary thing is that limited yield battlefield nuclear weapons for use by infantry actually exist, but thankfully have never been used.

Fraser

They do indeed exist.

I was told about the anti-submarine uses independently by three people, one ex Royal Navy who was teaching a course I attended, one a serving RN submariner (who I met in circumstances that, had I heard from someone else and not actually experienced myself, I would have called BS) and the third who was ex forces (never asked, it was *that* sort of place).

I believe it was tested.

Those weapons are terrifying.

Well, for quite some time, some of the Russian anti aircraft or anti ballistic shield systems were actually based on small nuclear heads.

The reason was that they couldn't get the precise kinetic shot to destroy attacking projectile so they made a system to make a small nuclear explosion in a proximity of target. That's how they "increased the accuracy" 

However, USA  exploited infra red technologies to the max, some of the anti ballistic missiles that they have can hit 4 Mach moving object with a speed of almost 4 Mach withing the size of a projectile. Which is something like 70 cm or so.

Anyway, what terrifies me the most is those silent, unmanned submarines with nuclear warheads that can be hiding around the costs, be very hard to detectable and stay alive for a very long time. Such things exists. 

[Fraser]

I would love to find an ROV like this one washed up on the shore  Sadly ‘finders keepers’ is not applicable in such cases  These things are very expensive so the owner will be pleased if they get it back.

https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/204932/video-mystery-rov-washes-up-on-beach/

Fraser

[Electro Detective]

Let's get real, the war mongers and their well paid tech heads don't gas about cannon fodder public attitudes, much less dumping their unwanted crap in the seas.

Who is is checking for compliance and who checks the checkers for compliance,
and who verifies and signs off on both groups doing those tasks, in an independent unbiased manner and layperson friendly ?  please

They don't do shyte, most of those 'industries' have to be full of mentally unstable power puppies and 'look away' yes people to do what they do,
and get away with it decade after decade.

Make excuses all you like, but that is how it is, and it won't change 
no matter how good the illusion of 'change' is marketed to the gullible majority that have to pay for that BS and 'like it and stfu.. or else'   

[Haenk]

Interestingly, the paperworks is still sticking to the cube in a transparent envelope, so I can only assume it accidently fell over board. Certainly a serious scientist would remove the shipping papers before deploying it.

[nardev]

Interestingly, the paperworks is still sticking to the cube in a transparent envelope, so I can only assume it accidently fell over board. Certainly a serious scientist would remove the shipping papers before deploying it.

They were in a hurry or simply didn't care : )

[Twoflower]

Interestingly, the paperworks is still sticking to the cube in a transparent envelope, so I can only assume it accidently fell over board. Certainly a serious scientist would remove the shipping papers before deploying it.

I'm more puzzled that they shipped the equipment without a shipping case. I would expect that the device has some more or less sensitive parts which could be damaged by shipping.

[Haenk]

in Germany one underwater observatory got missing in action last summer. They're really puzzled how that could happen.

One should be aware of the location. Eckernförde is *the* german naval testing site (plus home of some elite forces), for more than a century now. Lots of secret stuff going on there (a classmate is working there as an EE, but isn't allowed to talk, obviously...). So it wouldn't surprise me, if some foreign country were involved in this case (by accident).