No AMD Ryzen 7 4xxxG for you!

[drussell]

This is different: there is no problem in getting OEM products with these processors, those are easily available.  No shortage there.  (If I wanted an used processor, I could just buy an OEM board or full machine myself, and reuse or sell the extra parts.  That's not the issue here.)  Here in Finland, although the processors are easily available in OEM setups

Really?  You can easily find pre-built machines with 4750Gs in them in stock there? 

That's indeed strange then as the OEMs are only getting a trickle of them, they're still on allotment everywhere.

I guess nobody is buying them?

[thm_w]

Really?  You can easily find pre-built machines with 4750Gs in them in stock there? 

https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-elitedesk-805-g6-desktop-mini-pc-customizable-2q297av-mb  Says "in stock", but ship date march 10th
https://www.csl-computer.com/mini-pc-csl-mini-itx-ryzen-7-pro-4750g-win-10.html 18 working days

[Nominal Animal]

Really?  You can easily find pre-built machines with 4750Gs in them in stock there?

Right now it looks like 3 to 5 days for HP EliteDesk 805 G6 with a 4750G, 2 to 4 days with 4650G.  Gaming PC's like Asus ROG Strix GL10 with Ryzen 5 3400G (plus a separate Nvidia GTX 1650 graphics card) are in stock.

If you consider sources anywhere outside your country as "not trustworthy"

No, I do not consider sources outside Finland as "not trustworthy".  I'm a happy customer of hardware from KAMAMI, Watterott, Pollin, etc.
But I do need them to 1) sell to private customers without VAT registration, 2) be in a language I can understand (English, for example; my German is so rusty to be almost useless, and I speak no French nor Dutch), and 3) indicate on their web pages they're happy to serve customers within the EU.

None of the suggested links thus far in this thread have fulfilled all three points above.

Also, I am not interested in buying processors removed from existing motherboards, even if said combos were new.  I've already explained why.  (And if my previous explanations do not convince you, then this: If I want an used processor, earlier in this post I've shown I can just buy an OEM rig myself, and sell the extra parts I don't want or need.)

Finland is not quite the center of the world, quantities moved there by distributors/resellers are peanuts compared to the numbers moved in China and USA.

Perhaps it surprises you, but that also means that thus far, it has also meant that recently released products (motherboards, processors) have been easier to get here than in e.g. Germany, exactly because the market is smaller: the batches needed to cater to the market are smaller, and thus easier to fulfull.  And before, they have been, pretty much, unless the shortage has been worldwide.

Please, reread my initial post.  The two key sentences were
    "But no, AMD only sells these to OEMs.  What the fuck?"
and
    "I did not realize that the world of "we'll decide whether you can buy this or not, peasant!" has progressed this far already!"
See?  I am expressing incredulity at AMD strategy, and the observable change in how (Finnish) computer and computer component market has made a sudden change.

[Doctorandus_P]

TL;DR
Here is a Dutch store that apparently sells some:
https://www.alternate.nl/AMD/Ryzen-7-PRO-4750G-3-6-GHz-(4-4-GHz-Turbo-Boost)-socket-AM4-processor/html/product/1714171

However, that same store got some reviews about bent pins on a similar processor.
AMD announced from the start these processors would be OEM only for the forseeable future, and the covid madness turned the whole world upside down. Half or more of the stuff AMD makes is just sold out almost everywhere.

[Nominal Animal]

Thanks for the link.

I'm seriously considering an i9-10900 or i7-10700 with an MSI Z490-A Pro motherboard, in case anyone is interested.
In particular, i7-10700 is roughly equivalent to Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G, but is locally available for 304 - 319 €.
After all, this is just a tool – and a project, since I'm going to build it into a custom silent enclosure; I'm not that stuck on any hardware!

I only started this thread because I found AMD's policy of selling these processors only to OEMs really weird.

FWIW, for an antenna rotator project for a friend, I was looking at cast iron weights (radius doesn't matter, but thickness preferably around 40mm or less; and cast iron so I can drill it to put an M8/M10/M12 threaded rod through it in the plane of the weight) to be used as a counterweight, and those too seem to be sold out in local stores!
Makes sense in these times, of course, to do your weight lifting at home, instead of at a sweaty gym.
The counterweight we have is just a grubby old 5kg lump of who knows what which is not really that symmetric, and is a bit underweight, so a 7.5kg disk-style cast iron weight would be pretty good for this.

[thm_w]

Yeah weights are sold out or going for ~$3-4/lb which is 4x the usual rate here.
Maybe a local metal scrap yard would be worth looking in if bored. They could probably make a half decent side business melting down random steel into plates.

[wraper]

Thanks for the link.

I'm seriously considering an i9-10900 or i7-10700 with an MSI Z490-A Pro motherboard, in case anyone is interested.
In particular, i7-10700 is roughly equivalent to Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G, but is locally available for 304 - 319 €.

You should also consider full system cost. 4750G will work just fine on EUR 55 A520 mobo FWIW. It will even have features comparable with low end Z490.

[themadhippy]

how about a stage weight or is 12.5kg to heavy

[Nominal Animal]

how about a stage weight or is 12.5kg to heavy

It is too heavy.

The antenna is a bit over a meter and a half long, and weighs about a kilogram, so to keep the outer edge of a circular counterweight close to the axis of rotation, something like 5-7 kg, depending on the diameter of the counterweight, is needed.  (The exact distance will be adjustable, but I'd prefer to keep the outer end less than 45cm away from the axis of rotation, so that we don't need taller vertical supports.)

If I had a scrapyard or a friendly metal shop nearby, I'm sure I could get a suitable counterweight there.  But 5 kg and 7.5 kg cast iron lifting weights would work quite well, and not cost too much, if only they weren't sold out.

[Doctorandus_P]

Why not cast a weight in concrete?
If you need holes you can cast around some plastic tubes, or a wooden stick and drill it out.
If it's very thin in comparison to diameter, add a bit of metal mesh.

[Nominal Animal]

Why not cast a weight in concrete?

It is a possibility, yes.  A circular disk of ~ 4cm thickness would need a radius of somewhere around 25cm to get the weight to around 7 kg.  But it would be a bit "crumbly" around the edges, and some sort of internal reinforcement would be needed.  Lot of effort for a simple counterweight.