PC Build or Buy

[metrologist]

A friend wants a high performance gaming PC. Anyone hip to what are the high quality components, such as MB, video card, ram...? I'd probably suggest a high spec i7.

Or is just more feasible to buy a pre-built system like an Alienware?

[IanMacdonald]

The main issue with self build is when you hit awkward compatibility issues between components. Especially as the suppliers will likely 'play off' one against the other rather than admit they are at fault. 

[Rbastler]

Prebuild systems might end up more expensive, but you have a warranty on the whole PC not spred on different parts.
I build mine mainly, because it was cheaper for the config I choose and I wanted to have the experience of building it. And also I could choose whatever parts I wanted to have inside the PC.
Therefore I'd say it comes down to money and personal preference to build your own PC, which of course can be quite risky, if you damage say the CPU socket for example.

[ChrisLX200]

I've only ever bought one 'budget' PC, it was i7-based and I was lazy as it was a single-purpose PC for controlling some hardware. The CPU was the only useful component inside it. In fact, the PSU blew up within a week, and within a month the whole lot was gutted and replaced with other parts. Then I swapped the case for a decent one (because I could not fit a better graphics card inside it) leaving just the CPU as the only part re-used in the rebuild. A total waste of money. I'll stay with building my own - but not because it's cheaper, it isn't, but then I like to choose quality components rather than the crap they use for budget pre-built machines. You can get a good quality gaming rig if you pay for it, and vendors like Overclockers allow you to configure your own, but it's not cheap.

[bd139]

If I buy PCs these days I get 2-3 year old workstation class machines from HP (z-series). You can get a Xeon E5 for less than a new self build and the thing will work properly because it has decent end to end integration. 

[rx8pilot]

8 years ago, I built the PC I am typing this on. I chose the best available hardware at the time and carefully considered compatibility and future upgrades. The purpose was to be my primary design computer for SolidWorks and MasterCAM which were rather picky back then.

It has been on 24/7 since 2009 and the only major problem was the system drive crashed and I had to recover from an Acronis backup (side note - Acronis SUCKS!!!!)

Other than an HDD fail - this has been the most reliable and longest lasting computer since 1984. It is still my primary PC. Still quick - even for graphics-heavy stuff, watching YouTube, and 30 browser windows open at any given moment. Compared to a similar setup at the same time from any of the major manufacturers - it was maybe 50% of the cost and I would have had a much more limited scope of options.

While this machine is on borrowed time....I still like the idea of building my own solution. It pays to plan - if you just hack it together you risk having a huge and non-stop project on your hands.

[macboy]

A friend wants a high performance gaming PC. Anyone hip to what are the high quality components, such as MB, video card, ram...? I'd probably suggest a high spec i7.

Or is just more feasible to buy a pre-built system like an Alienware?

If you (your friend) wants to get great performance on the cheap, look into socket 2011 (not 2011-3). Specifically look for X79 chipset motherboards. Intel X79 is the 'consumer' version of their C600/C602 server chipset. It's identical but without dual-CPU or SAS support.  Some generic brand X79 boards have shown up recently and appear to be a really good deal. They've also put downward pressure on the name brand ones as a bonus.

LGA 2011 XEON processors can be had for a pittance compared to similar i7 ones. I put together a two CPU system with E5-2690 CPUs, these are eight core (16 thread with HT) each with 20 MB of L3 cache and QUAD channel DDR3 memory. Base frequency is 2.9 GHz but they run continuously at 3.3 GHz with all cores loaded and up to 3.8 GHz with fewer. Yes, only DDR3, but with quad channel (per CPU!), the bandwidth can still be exceptionally good. The CPUs cost me only about $200 each. Any i7 even remotely comparable in performance is many times the price, probably over $1k. Just for one CPU. And the memory I used is server memory (registered, ECC) so it too cost a fraction of equivalent normal DDR3 or DDR4. I got 64 GB for just over $100. (Some X79 boards do not support the cheaper registered server memory).

Going this route won't get you the highest GHz on the block, but the performance/$ ratio is hard to beat.

[bd139]

Just note when you do build something, factor energy usage as in the 250W+ territory that becomes a significant portion of the cost of the unit over its lifetime.

[Halcyon]

I've built my own PCs for the last 22 or so years and that kind of knowledge and experience can't really be summed up in a few forum posts, but I'll summarise the important points.

In my experience, very few PC builders "get it right" when it comes to compatibility between different components. Sure you could put together a reasonably decent machine, but if it means you need to reboot it every few days, weeks etc... just for it to remain stable (even on Windows), then it's not an optimal hardware configuration. If you don't know what you're doing intimately and know PC hardware inside out, I'd probably lean on buying a decent pre-built brand (but do your homework).

Work out what operating system you're planning to run, if it's Windows 7, you're severely limited by choice these days as most hardware and drivers are designed for Windows 8 and up.

Start with first building block, that's your motherboard. Decide on a board then work your way up.

There is no "one size fits all" approach to building a PC. One machine won't be "the best" at everything. A machine which is great at high-end video editing isn't necessary good at playing high-end games etc...

[metrologist]

I would probably look at

Asus ROG Maximus IX Hero or Formula
7700k cpu
16GB of some compatible ram, probably some top rated Corsair DDR4
GeForce GTX 1080
850W name brand 80+ gold PS
primary SSD like Samsung 850 and secondary magnetic HDD
full tower case

[grumpydoc]

Self build vs buy can be a difficult thing to judge and is heavily dependent on personal choice and the exact use to which the PC will be put although performance gaming rigs are definitely one application where there can be lots of advantages to choosing the components yourself.

Self build can be fun and you will wind up knowing a lot more about PCs and components and how it all fits together - but you have to be comfortable with knowing that you will  be your own warranty support.

If you are none too sure of what components to buy you are probably best going for a pre-built system. If you are interested in an overclocked system I would also suggest going pre-built because anyone doing overclocked bundles will have lots of CPUs to choose from and select the good ones (from an overclocking perspective). If you do want to go down the DIY overclocking route do not buy your CPU from anyone offering O/C'd systems (increased chance of getting a CPU that failed to overclock well). If you want to DIY but also a guarantee of a good CPU look at O/C'd CPU and motherboard bundles.

Your best bet is to decide what bits you want and price everything up, then look around and see what you would pay for something similar (or find a system that you like and price up the bits). If you feel the saving is worth it go for self build. If the saving is not that great you might as well have someone do the work for you.

[Mr. Scram]

The main issue with self build is when you hit awkward compatibility issues between components. Especially as the suppliers will likely 'play off' one against the other rather than admit they are at fault. 

That's not unheard of, but fairly rare. If you adhere to the QVL, it's really rare.

[hermit]

Start with first building block, that's your motherboard. Decide on a board then work your way up.

I start with the processor but it's probably chicken/egg.  I decide the most I want to spend on the processor because their is always some obvious price gap on the high end I don't want to cross for the absolute top shelf of the day processor.  Finding a board to fit that isn't usually too hard.

My last system purchased whole was a P90.  You do have to watch CPU/Board/Memory matching to get the best out of the system as a whole but it isn't hard.  Does your friend have legacy components he wants to carry over?  Even his old game controller might be a problem so check that out.

[Mr. Scram]

Just note when you do build something, factor energy usage as in the 250W+ territory that becomes a significant portion of the cost of the unit over its lifetime.

Thank you! Cheap used hardware is nice, but often comes with that hidden cost. What good is cheap hardware if it drains your wallet when you turn it on.

Look at TCO, not purchase price.

[metrologist]

And for comparison, I looked at an Alineware Area-51, second from top at $2500. Probably a better CPU than I tossed out there.

This guy is not much computer literate, and I suggested it's going to cost $2500 to build and now he's thinking $1200 is more in line. He wants a future proof PC and to play GTA5 and rainbow six siege with top graphics and all the mods on. I'm not much into games and would have to do research. I don't generally overclock and tend to pick a higher end CPU and ram with a good chipset so I don't have to hassle with it.

I'm not sure I want to be his support person, but $1200 is not going to buy much of a high end gaming PC either.

[tszaboo]

I choose my components and payed some 20 EUR to the webshop for assembly. It is well worth the money IMHO.

[Mr. Scram]

I've built my own PCs for the last 22 or so years and that kind of knowledge and experience can't really be summed up in a few forum posts, but I'll summarise the important points.

In my experience, very few PC builders "get it right" when it comes to compatibility between different components. Sure you could put together a reasonably decent machine, but if it means you need to reboot it every few days, weeks etc... just for it to remain stable (even on Windows), then it's not an optimal hardware configuration. If you don't know what you're doing intimately and know PC hardware inside out, I'd probably lean on buying a decent pre-built brand (but do your homework). There are lots of systems out there with a shiny i7 in it, but with the rest of the system woefully underequipped to make that processor sweat.

Work out what operating system you're planning to run, if it's Windows 7, you're severely limited by choice these days as most hardware and drivers are designed for Windows 8 and up.

Start with first building block, that's your motherboard. Decide on a board then work your way up.

There is no "one size fits all" approach to building a PC. One machine won't be "the best" at everything. A machine which is great at high-end video editing isn't necessary good at playing high-end games etc...

Prebuilt systems are often worse. They are specced to barely meet the requirements and tend to be horrible to upgrade, due to a lack of flexibility. A rare handful of sellers of prebuilt systems will use proper parts, but most will sell you a system with nice components to put on the sticker, and bare minimum or fairly terrible ones for the rest of the system.

Things like power supplies that don't have extra connectors or that barely produce enough power are fairly common. As an example, a lot of HP desktop computers won't even take regular ATX supplies, but some bullshit HP proprietary supply that costs an arm and a leg to replace, with higher power options not always available. To be fair, if you run them within spec, they are pretty solid.

[Mr. Scram]

I choose my components and payed some 20 EUR to the webshop for assembly. It is well worth the money IMHO.

Only if it comes with a warranty on the full system, rather than the separate components.

[retiredcaps]

I saw this video by Linus.  Which leads to https://www.pugetsystems.com/ . Puget is in the USA which might matter to you?



I have no affiliation with Linus or Puget, but just sharing info.  It gives you an idea on what some builders do for custom built systems.

Other than that, all my systems that I use personally are what people throwaway as too old, buggy, dead or virus filled.  I haven't purchased a PC in long time now.

[imidis]

I'm not sure I want to be his support person, but $1200 is not going to buy much of a high end gaming PC either.

Honestly unless it's a good friend or family member well, someone you don't mind doing it for, i would stay away from helping them, otherwise you will be their support person and well, someone to blame if they are unhappy.  If they want to take building on I would stay out of it personally, probably too much hassle. Unless you are getting paid. I could do a fair bit with 1200 but I mean you can go nuts on the high end trying to future proof, but the cost gets nutty trying to get the latest and greatest of every component. Too much a premium.

[Mr. Scram]

And for comparison, I looked at an Alineware Area-51, second from top at $2500. Probably a better CPU than I tossed out there.

This guy is not much computer literate, and I suggested it's going to cost $2500 to build and now he's thinking $1200 is more in line. He wants a future proof PC and to play GTA5 and rainbow six siege with top graphics and all the mods on. I'm not much into games and would have to do research. I don't generally overclock and tend to pick a higher end CPU and ram with a good chipset so I don't have to hassle with it.

I'm not sure I want to be his support person, but $1200 is not going to buy much of a high end gaming PC either.

$1200 is enough for something fairly nice, unless he also needs peripherals.

[rstofer]

I just finished an I7-7700 build with a Gigabyte motherboard and 32 GB of RAM.  The most expensive component was the 1 TB Samsung 960 EVO SSD.  With water cooling and a Fractal Design tower + DVD drive, it came in around $2k.

I did NOT pay the extra $700 for a high end gaming graphics card because I built the machine specifically to run Xilinx Vivado (FPGA software) and graphics isn't important.

There are faster machines, there are slower machines.  Speed costs money, how fast can you afford to go?

[Mr. Scram]

I would suggest going with a cheaper GPU and better motherboard. A GPU is typically replaced one or more times during the lifetime of a gaming computer, while other components tend to last longer. It's also more of a pain to replace the motherboard, while replacing the GPU is easier. You will get a little less performance right away, but should have a better system in the long run. Also, 16 GB of RAM is plenty.

[shteii01]

For cheaper gpu look for manufacturer warranted refurbished gpu like these from EVGA: https://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=8
If I recall right, you get 1 year warranty.  I got two GTX 750 Ti SC a few years ago, they are still crunching and I play some games (but nothing super demanding).
Also.  EVGA has specials every Wednesday, some free shipping, some instant rebates, so check it out.

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