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The SQ1 is just the beginning. ARM is coming for the PC

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Black Phoenix:
I've been following this Youtuber for a while regarding how he delivers their thoughts to the viewers and this is his last video:



Well being this a forum with a lot of well educated and knowledge people, what are your thoughts about this?

westfw:

* I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that systems need to have a common underlying architecture in order to have "seamless integration."
* (if I'm wrong, I find that depressing.)
* I sort-of viewed Windows8 as Microsoft's big experiment in unifying desktop and mobile UIs, and Windows10 as their admission that indeed, users don't particularly want their bug computers to work like their phones.
* I'm not convinced that RISC-V will penetrate high-end markets (mobile or desktop or mainframe) as quickly as people are predicting.  It's just an Instruction Set Architecture (as I understand it) as opposed to the full core design (like ARM or MIPS), and I suspect that it will be a lot more difficult to turn it into truly high performance silicon (at the desired MIPS/Watt points.)

andersm:
Apple introducing ARM-powered laptops next year has been predicted for many years now. I believe it when I see it. ARM may be nipping at the heels of ultrabooks, but so far their performance outside mobile hasn't been great. I ran code compilation tests half a year ago, when Packet started offering eMag server instances, and was disappointed by the results. NXP have been hinting that their Layerscape CPUs will outperform eMag's 1st gen CPU, but I haven't seen any test results of it yet.


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Ha!

techman-001:

--- Quote from: westfw on October 14, 2019, 09:46:30 am ---
* I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that systems need to have a common underlying architecture in order to have "seamless integration."
* (if I'm wrong, I find that depressing.)
* I sort-of viewed Windows8 as Microsoft's big experiment in unifying desktop and mobile UIs, and Windows10 as their admission that indeed, users don't particularly want their bug computers to work like their phones.
* I'm not convinced that RISC-V will penetrate high-end markets (mobile or desktop or mainframe) as quickly as people are predicting.  It's just an Instruction Set Architecture (as I understand it) as opposed to the full core design (like ARM or MIPS), and I suspect that it will be a lot more difficult to turn it into truly high performance silicon (at the desired MIPS/Watt points.)
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I have a feeling that RISC-V will be disruptive because it's open. Look how disruptive Linux has been ? What happens if someone releases a multicore RISC-V optimized for parallel processing at a low price, it could be a game changer now that Moores Law has pretty much fizzled out ?

The designer of Mecrisp-Stellaris has been very excited about RISC-V from the begining and has made a Forth for it named "Mecrisp-Quintus". While I was ambivalent myself, now that Gigadevice has made a chip with a RISC-V core and peripherals from the STM32F103 I'm beginning to become a bit more interested.

knapik:
Can it even be called a PC anymore if it uses ARM? I guess the term PC has pretty much lost its meaning a long time ago now. :-//

That said, I'm very excited for the possibility of RISC CPUs  to finally come to the home computer. The main issue has always been binary compatibility with proprietary software, but as so much software these days is free and open source it can be a pretty painless transition.

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