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Offline Shock

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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2022, 05:17:34 pm »
Technically noone needs to use the MS Windows update service, Window 7 can be updated with offline MS updates. It also can install from USB media and supports slip streaming updates natively. I don't see the logic in installing updates and root certs from file sharing services or other 3rd parties.

It's unclear what issues you are solving and why you needed to do any of the above or outsource your trust to 3rd parties when you grant a certain level of trust running the OS in the first place.

Again I'll give the divorce the wife and date the hooker analogy, seems like a risky trade off.
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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2022, 01:07:04 pm »
Technically noone needs to use the MS Windows update service, Window 7 can be updated with offline MS updates. It also can install from USB media and supports slip streaming updates natively. I don't see the logic in installing updates and root certs from file sharing services or other 3rd parties.

It's unclear what issues you are solving and why you needed to do any of the above or outsource your trust to 3rd parties when you grant a certain level of trust running the OS in the first place.

Again I'll give the divorce the wife and date the hooker analogy, seems like a risky trade off.

It seems like you don't have the experience in this subject. Try updating an old image because you can no longer get any updated images from m$. Try it and see for yourself.
That cert is safe, look at censys, I've also added cryptographic hash for verification. Why MS will not sign it anymore is because the OS is EOL. Maybe just mabe server 2008 kernel patches work on win7 and cert, idk have to extract the updates and look but 2008 is also EOL now and companies have migrated. I can ask my buddy he works at big telecom company he does migrations all day long.

Regarding the updates. This is just so you don't have to risk and bootloop your OS while using the built-in updater that installs all the crap updates. What happens a lot in the older version while installing 400+ updates.
Just a shortcut, and like again https://gitlab.com/wsusoffline/wsusoffline what risk, you can compile and look in the source code yourself also it works as follow, you fork all update packages from MS services and use a offline service to install them instead of using the automatic update service what somewhat sucks and messed stuff up, slipstreaming takes a lot of time (but you're right sure possible).. 3rd party crap that isn't open, should rather make a bell ring. I remember the old days of the outsource firm that worked in our company when we migrated from unix to win. They had a hard ball trying to do the same all according to the book slipstreaming the updates, testing, fixing bugs, disabling shit like badusb by disabling usb pens in policy. Even in terminal services, they defaces instances by rundll32 (this was a decade ago or longer by now).. So this is just my two cents, I've made too many WIM images. This worked for me the best. I am just sharing my knowledge if we talk about security just toss all your old crap in the bin right away because the USER is the fault, not the os, but if the os is wacked this is a problem in 3 2 1 right now... Unless you say I'll welcome all unwanted guys in my system. How hard is it? Not hard at all. Just play with msf framework.. So tinkering and modding stuff out and disabling service, isn't a bad thing if you know what you are doing and if you want to extend it's lifespan a bit beyond the support. It only makes the system safer, from a security perspective/pov. The golden rule, decrease the attack vector make it really small. Same on your unix boxes.

Some fun facts to add here. I've worked on IPCS a lot (in food,car,medical industry,machine builders), and most customers relay on system stability a lot, they even deploy old OS as we speak because the fact is it's much more resilient and reliable. They indeed are completely offline or in a different vlan communicated by I/O cards or custom protocols.. Why is this? msvbvm60 is less buggy on old kernel and companies who can't afford to have big off time because of high customer demands. Just a few examples I can give. Like yeah why still use old crap, why not migrate 50k lines of code. Just replace all systems! Good luck with that, hah. Some customers are not happy to see Candy crush on their IPCS screen, random crashes, dead ssds, and no system dumps yeah Ikr there are industrial editions but guess what those licenses go for a pop. Also many companies with expensive ASIC capture cards or MLS they advised to use old OS, kinda funny but that's how it works testing the drivers and hardware reliability on modern version is expensive, and also often really buggy too because of different reasons. This is my experience, other may differ. "Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.".
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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2022, 02:14:43 pm »
Technically noone needs to use the MS Windows update service, Window 7 can be updated with offline MS updates.
its called Service Pack. M$ only came up with SP1 since like 10 years ago... do you mind sharing where is the official SP2 or SP3 up to today's update? if you are refering to this... https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-to-obtain-and-install-windows-7-sp2/c2c7009f-3a10-4199-9c89-48e1e883051e we still need to online update anyway up to today.
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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2022, 04:38:56 pm »
The problem is indeed to get a full collection of updates. Sure the individual KB are available, but collecting them all would take a ridiculous amount of time.
There's no officially curated bundle such as a Service Pack, as Mechatrommer said, for the latest state of Windows 7 when support ended, so including all the latest updates.

There are some non-official bundles you can find here and there online, but I would definitely be very wary.

 
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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2022, 01:01:20 am »
I'm not saying an open source downloader that pulls from MS is out of the question either. But having a full manual set off offline updates lets you include/leave out certain updates, then you can script install in batches or reroll a slipsteam later.

I'm going to have a play soon and compile a list of updates and useful ancillary files. I already tried it a while ago and it was effortless. But want to exclude some of the garbage that comes in the rollup past sp1.
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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2022, 01:38:15 am »
Watching with interest.   8)
I've been using Windows 7 Ultimate for many years without any problems and have always vigorously disabled updates but this recently came back to bite me in regards to SSL errors and site certificates which I posted about in the supporters lounge.

I download a collection of updates but none of them would install without Service Pack 1 being installed first which I don't have and cannot find. Another problem which has suddenly appeared is a "The version of Windows you are using is not legitimate, click here to resolve this problem" or words to that effect.

This has never happened before and the message even appears when offline and when I view a random image with picture viewer or similar. This might be normal and a common occurrence to others but is new to me, I've resorted to using system restore to get rid of the message if and when it returns.
 

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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2022, 02:06:14 am »
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I download a collection of updates but none of them would install without Service Pack 1 being installed first which I don't have and cannot find. Another problem which has suddenly appeared is a "The version of Windows you are using is not legitimate, click here to resolve this problem" or words to that effect.
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Would this help?
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/microsoft-windows-7-service-pack-1/
 
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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2022, 02:20:51 am »
Many thanks, I forgot to mention that I'm still running with 32 bit which is also available in the link you provided. I'm also still running MS Office 2003 and a stack of other software from genuine flea market resellers, none of that silly subscription rubbish.   ;) :-X
 

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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2022, 05:21:23 am »
you can still find several archive sites if you google "windows 7 ultimate service pack iso" (for ultimate version) 32/64bits. download it before its too late. one example https://archive.org/details/en_windows_7_ultimate_with_sp1_x64_dvd_u_677332_202006 (i dont check validity) coupled with Windows6.1-KB3102810 install it, connect internet and update everything. backup with a backup tool like aomei backupper free version or macrium reflect and you have a backup file acting as install file (your own service pack version) most up to date for restore later if your installation get corrupted. you can include your most favourite programs before making the backup.
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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2022, 06:04:39 am »
Windows 7 SP1
https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB976932

Again, all up MS updates can be downloaded from them directly.

The original MS image that used to contain the KB976932 SP1 updates:
7601.17514.101119-1850_Update_Sp_Wave1-GRMSP1.1_DVD.iso
SHA1: F2ABA1102E18EAD08C78527AB422C09AB7D1F54C
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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2022, 01:45:09 am »
Note this includes the telemetry, nag files etc.

Had a play, you can archive all the updates from Windows update service and offline install again later with a fresh install by following something like this:

Install Windows 7, then SP1, then Service Stack Update, then Convenience Rollup, then any newer updates.

All the downloaded updates get cached to C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download\ into folders. So you take a copy and get the order they were downloaded by the date/time. Any .cab files can be installed with Pkgmgr otherwise .msu files can be extracted and then installed by Pkgmgr (native to Windows 7).

So this entire process looks like it can scripted to just dump a copy of all your updates on a clean install and do silent installs with reboots in between if needed.

The bit more time consuming part is correlating the list of updates included in the convenience rollup and excluding or uninstalling undesired updates. Then will need to check the slipstream process and make sure they can all be incorporated that way as well.
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Re: Updating Windows 7
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2022, 10:56:56 am »
Windows 7 had End of Life, meaning no more updates released, two years ago. Don’t confuse signature updates for Defender with actual Windows updates.
 


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