USB hubs don't work on windows 10

[Simon]

I seem to have problems with any USB hub I plug into my PC. For example I wanted to put all receivers for HID devices on one PC part with a HUB but they keep getting "ejected" and them re-acquired. I have come to the conclusion that maybe it is not the hub's but either windows 10 or the motherboard ( X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ).

Anyone have any experience? I have come to the conclusion that I just need to stuff every PCIe 1x slot with a USB expansion card.

[CJay]

Does the hub itself get 'ejected' or just the devices on it?

Is it specific to a device class or just anything?

Have seen something similar with Win 10 which turned out to be a driver issue after a Windows update.

Afraid I rarely have the patience to document the pre and post versions when it's a single PC* so all I did was blunderbuss it with the driver updater tool provided by the manufacturer** and it was resolved

*If it's a work problem and it affects more than three or four machines I'll document the hell out of it and work up a process for cascade to all sites.

** HP, their now deprecated Softpaq Download manager is a really useful tool, it did a BIOS update too which may have been relevant.

[Halcyon]

Can't say I have. We routinely use USB hubs at work on Windows 10 without major issues. However occasionally, USB interfaces will randomly stop working until a reboot.

I have come to the conclusion that Windows 10 is a buggy piece of shit (expert opinion which I will gladly give in court).

[Simon]

I have come to the conclusion that Windows 10 is a buggy piece of shit (expert opinion which I will gladly give in court).

Likewise but I don't want to have to became a linux guru to use linux. I just want an operating system that works, what it is is beyond my concern now but unfortunately windows still wins.

It's just single devices that get ejected and they were all logitech. So the mouse would suddenly stop, then the USB unplug noise then wait, the plug in noise and we are off again. Take the hub out and it's fine.

[PKTKS]

I have come to the conclusion that Windows 10 is a buggy piece of shit (expert opinion which I will gladly give in court).

Likewise but I don't want to have to became a linux guru to use linux. I just want an operating system that works, what it is is beyond my concern now but unfortunately windows still wins.
(..)

Try MINT...

I had deployed MINT for users just like that with great success.

It does fill that gap where you want something "just as"
while not dedicating time and effort to leverage...

And they boast gladly that they are now using linux.

period

Paul

[Simon]

Will it handle 3x 4k monitors on an AMD RX5500XT card. Dealing with the resolution issues? this was my latest peeve.

I can't abandon windows entirely and last time i tried linux I had libre office claiming that my libre office files were corrupt when in fact they were not and it was because you have to change the default of files opening with "libre office" to the actual libre office application.

[PKTKS]

Will it handle 3x 4k monitors on an AMD RX5500XT card. Dealing with the resolution issues? this was my latest peeve.

I can't abandon windows entirely and last time i tried linux I had libre office claiming that my libre office files were corrupt when in fact they were not and it was because you have to change the default of files opening with "libre office" to the actual libre office application.

The answer is: DEPENDS.

YES - it will work just fine with 3 4 or more monitors because Xwindows
can handle a hell of a lot more features than this simple request.

YES the drivers for RADEON boards are pretty good and stable
but if you request a bunch of "features"  from the vanilla drivers
you hit the problems that vendor support is entirely different
from the paid drivers bundled in MS.

The proprietary AMD drivers are still way too much crippled
by closed source and problems of compatible applets may arise.

Nevertheless you will run with vanilla drivers everything you
need  *just* with a performance penalty by not having vendor open
support.

Things like "security" and networked displays are above this entry
level but I HAVE NO ISSUES RUNNING AMD RX boards on fully installed
X servers... networked ... accelerated and even remotely managed.

MINT does not bundle fully features X servers.. they bundle a "light" variation

For entry level with vanilla drivers that should be fine for normal use..

YES you can run multiple displays just fine...

Some more specific configurations will just require a knowledge leverage..

Paul

[Simon]

I thought AMD were supposed to be quite open about their drivers or is that only up to a point.

I can have my 3x 4k monitors on, my CPU loaded with BOINC tasks and my GPU loaded with a folding at home task whilst watching a video and using 3D CAD with no issues.

[PKTKS]

I thought AMD were supposed to be quite open about their drivers or is that only up to a point.

I can have my 3x 4k monitors on, my CPU loaded with BOINC tasks and my GPU loaded with a folding at home task whilst watching a video and using 3D CAD with no issues.

Now here is a 2 cent thing...

The problem on both sides of the coin is the time line.

While on the side of the "paid drivers" the OS vendor requests
a driver compatible with some release and the hardware vendor
knows that it will deprecate that very soon ...

On the GPU arena each 15 days we have a new graphic thing..
a new graphic gizmo which requires new drivers new data paths
new I/O sensors... etc..

the OS vendor as soon as it get the drivers release a "OS new release"
which will be  re-licensed and paid again as soon the hardware vendor
deprecate their gizmos.

EASY MONEY MAKE FEEDBACK LOOP...

while users are willing to be fooled like that...
as 15 days release of new GPUs which require "new" firmware/drivers
are obvious a nonsense..

The 'open' side of the coin is that you can not fool users with
that firmware/soft  jambo...  and as soon the drivers are stable
(e.g. all the hidden stuff located..) we will run that for a long period.

I can run an ATI ALL IN WONDER TODAY from 90s !!! just fine...
on my Xserver...  the driver works fine and stable..

But in the mean time while the "new" crappy gizmos are filling
stake holders pockets with easy money.. WE HAVE ISSUES with
those hidden things that cripple driver performance and functionality...

The reason is that pocket filling...

On the  CAD/EDA  (3D soft) you will hit that problem...

While we can run an accelerated XServer in multiple displays
with MULTIPLE USERS simultaneously and VERY SECURE...(using XDM +xauth)
.. we  just can not run 3D accelerated CAD/EDA soft without the proper drivers..

But thanks to efforts of some dedicated folks.. video decoding and acceleration
is piece of cake in multiple displays with a reasonable hardware setup.

SO BOTTOM LINE is:  3D soft and GAMES  are still crippled by stake holder pockets..

While for secure safe and sane use we are orders of magnitude
better suited with open stuff..

OPINIONS ARE MINE ALONE - result of past (40y) 4 decades of this FUCK*** SHIT GAME

PAUL

[Simon]

10 decades? my didn't know abacuses had these problems  .

So basically how good is GPU support in linux. Is this variable based on version?

[JDubU]

I seem to have problems with any USB hub I plug into my PC. For example I wanted to put all receivers for HID devices on one PC part with a HUB but they keep getting "ejected" and them re-acquired. I have come to the conclusion that maybe it is not the hub's but either windows 10 or the motherboard ( X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ).

Anyone have any experience? I have come to the conclusion that I just need to stuff every PCIe 1x slot with a USB expansion card.

Have you tried disabling "USB Selective Suspend" in the Windows "Power Options" control panel?

[Simon]

Nope, never knew of such a setting. although if I am using my mouse and it cuts off then surely it's not a power saving measure unless windows is that messed up. I've tried it, will try plugging everything in to a hub again.

[PKTKS]

10 decades? my didn't know abacuses had these problems  .

So basically how good is GPU support in linux. Is this variable based on version?

   kid-keyboard   strikes again... fixed...

GPU support keeps pace with vendor releases but obviously
there is a lag that prevents the latest gizmos of proper working...

Thanks for those share holder pockets...

But if you are not that kind of latest gizmo and you want
a stable reasonable working hardware (e.g. safe and fine.)
GPU support is more than fine.

I run KiCAD/Blender native  WINE  with D3D for MS applets
.. several good games and other stuff run just fine..

That setup is not "trivial"  but ...

As I said .. MINT fill the gap for those willing to drop MS shit..

Expect a good reliable and working thing...
Although latest gizmos support is obviously crippled by vendors..

** USB support .. TCP/IP stack and system stability are orders of magnitude better **

You will not find that shitty USB driver bugs and TCP/IP flaws... etc.
You will just be delayed in getting new recent gizmos... until the drivers popup

Paul

[themadhippy]

is it an active hub or just powered by usb?

[Simon]

is it an active hub or just powered by usb?

Either does the same

[bd139]

Will it handle 3x 4k monitors on an AMD RX5500XT card. Dealing with the resolution issues? this was my latest peeve.

I can't abandon windows entirely and last time i tried linux I had libre office claiming that my libre office files were corrupt when in fact they were not and it was because you have to change the default of files opening with "libre office" to the actual libre office application.

Don't abandon windows for this. As much as I'm not a big windows fan, I've got to say that Linux is a complete shitshow when it comes to graphics. If you want 3x 4k monitors stay with windows. The drivers are much more mature. It's just 50x more reliable with the other problems included. If you ever want to play with high DPI then Linux is 10x the shitshow that any platform is as well. I'm completely done with it as a platform.

To note, rarely the answer to solve a small problem is "switch platform". That's like winning chess by burning the fucking board 

With the USB hub issue, this is usually because the USB drivers that ship with windows for the Ryzen chipsets are shit. I'm not sure what they include as WHQL now but it's terrible usually. Head over to AMD's web site and install the latest USB drivers for your chipset. I had problems with my keyboard disconnecting on a B550M board periodically until I did this. That was plugged in via a USB hub.

Another thing to look at is which ports your stuff is plugged in to. I tend to not bother to wire up the case-wired ports to the motherboard and only use the rear ports as the case ones are always dubious as hell. So many problems with them over the years.

I'm going to be honest though and break what I said earlier and say that I crawled back to Mac recently after a 2 year hiatus in PC and Linux land. I'm done. I want something that allows me to spend 100% of my time on productivity rather than 80% on productivity and 20% of wondering what the fuck has gone wrong now.

[Simon]

No I would not switch to Linux over a USB issue which I have solved with add in cards that cost the same as a decent hub. Although there are many annoyances with windows who have gone all out to make it clear that I am no longer master of my own machine with every major update (windows re-install actually) wiping out custom settings and removing programs. I don't like this overbearance and for that I would move rather than a minor technical issue.

The whole putting a pretty picture on the locked computer screen is just a ploy to get you to use their yet another version of chromium + spyware on top. Windows is no longer a product. it's a service Microsoft offers as a loss leader to get you locked into their ecosystem.

[bd139]

Yep. The key issue is that Microsoft has no products that are worth anything other than Office and to some degree Azure. Windows isn't worth shit so they spent the last 5 years cost cutting where possible which has lead to a quality decline and service upselling integration. It's a death spiral. The hardware vendors are tied to this as well so are trying to pick up the pieces wherever they can and try and patch up the bad. The state of Microsoft's online support forums says it all - even their MVPs are bailing now.

At the end of the day everyone wants your rent money because you're hooked on their crack forever then. 

<< insert comment about landlords and Mao  >>

[Simon]

Well what a pity that some of these hardware vendors don't form a consortium to manage yet another Linux distro but one that is actually usable by Joe blogs who just needs to use their PC to work with drivers that just work et cetera. Then the software vendors might be interested. At the end of the day it is acknowledged that OSes don't make money anymore, they just enable other products.

[bd139]

Well they would and did try (Intel included) but unfortunately Linux is pretty heavily controlled by Redhat who wants to sign up qualified partners only. RH literally control most of the core development these days and strong arm everyone else into compliance with their roadmap.

OS is still valuable but not to mindshare controllers if it doesn’t make a corporation money somewhere.

I’d like to have seen our government build their own Linux distribution from the ground up TBH to run the NHS and government services on and give to the public. But they are too busy being mugged by MS.

[Simon]

But linux is open source, they can do what they like, just like the other million distro's out there.

[bd139]

It’s a lie. You can read the source yes and it’s licensed like that but contributing is difficult if not impossible in most cases. You end up in a situation where you have to fork the thing entirely and expect everyone on the planet to keep up the momentum on your fork. RH know that so bought up most of the core developers and pays them to work on RH business.

The only successful forks have been where the developers left or were laid off or weren’t working for cash anyway which is very few people.

[Simon]

But why do they have to have anything to do with Redhat? there are a number of popular distro's out there, we just need a reason for one of them or a new one to come along and be the one that rules them all. If the hardware vendors get behind one and make sure that damn thing works and does not require a computer mechanic just to keep it working it will gain adoption.

[bd139]

They are subject to redhat too. Ubuntu went their own way and solicited support from vendors. Then Redhat bullied a whole desktop (gnome), init system (systemd), display engine (waylaid)  and various other tangles into everyone. They had to conform.  RH control everything.

To give you an idea how high level this goes, most Linux distributions don’t get early access to vulnerability information now either so have to patch after the releases.

[rstofer]

is it an active hub or just powered by usb?

Either does the same

I have powered hubs on at least 2 Win 10 machines that I can think of and both work fine.  Both are Microsoft Surface Pros since they don't tend to have very many ports.

Linux Mint is a terrific distribution and I have it on at least 5 machines (I seem to be a collector) and I like it a lot.  Never in my wildest imagination do I compare it to Win 10.  Like all Linux distros, I seem to spend half my time in the command line doing setup tasks or dealing with permission issues.

OTOH, when it comes to doing command line kinds of things, Linux excels.  Last week I was messing around with concurrent programming using gfortran with VScode for the editor and the built-in terminal window to execute.  A very nice programming environment.

Obviously, this would also work well with Python development.