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« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2022, 05:43:00 pm »
And again, the display size and aspect ratio excluding the notch is normal, so what they did was to offload the menu bar onto the area around the camera, creating the notch. The alternative is to have no screen there at all, so the notch is actually giving you more screen space, not less.

Having no screen there at all would be far preferable to me. I know a lot of people have this attitude of "It doesn't bother me at all so it therefor is a non-issue and stupid to complain about!" but I would be most of those people have encountered something else in their life that bothers them greatly which others would consider a non-issue. Whatever the case it doesn't matter, a notch, hole, or any other blemish in the continuous area of a screen is an absolute deal breaker for me. I will not buy a device that has a cluster of bad pixels, and I will not buy a device that has a deliberate cluster of missing pixels, period. I will not put up with this nonsense fad and I most certainly will not support it with my wallet, this is not negotiable.
 

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« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2022, 05:48:04 pm »
Yeah. I for one don't care about having a webcam embedded in the display anyway, so I would rather have none and no notch. Other, smaller sensors such as light sensors can be put outside of the display area.

Is there any laptop out there without an embedded webcam?
 

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« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2022, 05:48:48 pm »
Laptop lids need a little bezel, it's not like the new Macbook Pro has mobile phone sized bezels, a small webcam fits in there comfortably. I'm sure if you want to show your zoom partners every pore on your face the Apple cam is vastly superior ... but I don't really care. It solves nothing of value for me. Face Id at least would be somewhat useful, maybe some engineering schedules didn't line up and they just couldn't get it to fit in time and this was the result.

I think it was a very deliberate branding move, it makes the device recognizably Apple, at least for a few weeks until everyone else copies them, and fanbois and corporate apologists will fall all over themselves to justify it and smugly belittle anyone who has a problem with it, I guess it makes them feel superior, I don't know. Whatever the case it triggers my OCD tendencies, I simply cannot stand it, it's like a bad pixel or a blob of snot on the screen that I can't wipe off. If it doesn't bother some people that's great, life must be easier for them, but for others like myself it is intolerable and I don't appreciate being blown off and marginalized.
 

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« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2022, 07:04:33 pm »
Laptop lids need a little bezel
They don’t “need” them any more than a phone does, if anything, less so, since an accidental touch of a MacBook screen doesn’t cause things to happen…

… it's not like the new Macbook Pro has mobile phone sized bezels, a small webcam fits in there comfortably. I'm sure if you want to show your zoom partners every pore on your face the Apple cam is vastly superior ...
If only. They may be better than they used to be, but the cameras in the MacBooks are still far behind those in the iPhone and iPad, which are similarly space-constrained, if not more so.


I wonder if it's the IR projection which stands in the way of further miniaturization for Face ID, I don't see why a ToF camera would need to be any larger than a webcam. Of course Microsoft snapped up most of the ToF camera patents a little before Apple realized they needed it.
Since both iPhone and iPad have Face ID, I doubt space is the reason.

Me, I wish they equipped the iPad Pro with Touch ID, either as an option instead of, or in addition to, Face ID. I really prefer Touch ID, since I nearly always stabilize my iPad with my left hand, obscuring the cameras.


Having no screen there at all would be far preferable to me. I know a lot of people have this attitude of "It doesn't bother me at all so it therefor is a non-issue and stupid to complain about!" but I would be most of those people have encountered something else in their life that bothers them greatly which others would consider a non-issue. Whatever the case it doesn't matter, a notch, hole, or any other blemish in the continuous area of a screen is an absolute deal breaker for me. I will not buy a device that has a cluster of bad pixels, and I will not buy a device that has a deliberate cluster of missing pixels, period. I will not put up with this nonsense fad and I most certainly will not support it with my wallet, this is not negotiable.
Since you can disable display area next to the notch (open an app’s Get Info panel and there’s a checkbox named “Scale to fit below built-in camera”; having any app with that option set running causes the screen to shrink just enough to schooch out of the way of the notch), it really is a non-issue for those who dislike it.
 
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Re: W11 - Worth upgrading from W10 ?
« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2022, 08:37:08 pm »
Having no screen there at all would be far preferable to me. I know a lot of people have this attitude of "It doesn't bother me at all so it therefor is a non-issue and stupid to complain about!" but I would be most of those people have encountered something else in their life that bothers them greatly which others would consider a non-issue. Whatever the case it doesn't matter, a notch, hole, or any other blemish in the continuous area of a screen is an absolute deal breaker for me. I will not buy a device that has a cluster of bad pixels, and I will not buy a device that has a deliberate cluster of missing pixels, period. I will not put up with this nonsense fad and I most certainly will not support it with my wallet, this is not negotiable.
Since you can disable display area next to the notch (open an app’s Get Info panel and there’s a checkbox named “Scale to fit below built-in camera”; having any app with that option set running causes the screen to shrink just enough to schooch out of the way of the notch), it really is a non-issue for those who dislike it.
This would be an option for me as well. This article mentions you need to do this for every application software individually - I wonder if every update would reset this setting, but that would be somewhat uncontrollable by Apple (I would have preferred a system-wide setting, though).

Also, the same article mentions that Apple also mentions in the support document that this scaling feature will disappear once developers update their apps to deal with the notch correctly. - so it wouldn't be a permanent solution for the "notch annoyed"...  :-\
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« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2022, 09:16:08 pm »
And again, the display size and aspect ratio excluding the notch is normal, so what they did was to offload the menu bar onto the area around the camera, creating the notch. The alternative is to have no screen there at all, so the notch is actually giving you more screen space, not less.

Having no screen there at all would be far preferable to me. I know a lot of people have this attitude of "It doesn't bother me at all so it therefor is a non-issue and stupid to complain about!" but I would be most of those people have encountered something else in their life that bothers them greatly which others would consider a non-issue. Whatever the case it doesn't matter, a notch, hole, or any other blemish in the continuous area of a screen is an absolute deal breaker for me. I will not buy a device that has a cluster of bad pixels, and I will not buy a device that has a deliberate cluster of missing pixels, period. I will not put up with this nonsense fad and I most certainly will not support it with my wallet, this is not negotiable.

Buy a studio display to go with it and you’re sorted  :-DD
 

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Re: W11 - Worth upgrading from W10 ?
« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2022, 10:27:10 pm »
This would be an option for me as well. This article mentions you need to do this for every application software individually - I wonder if every update would reset this setting, but that would be somewhat uncontrollable by Apple (I would have preferred a system-wide setting, though).

Also, the same article mentions that Apple also mentions in the support document that this scaling feature will disappear once developers update their apps to deal with the notch correctly. - so it wouldn't be a permanent solution for the "notch annoyed"...  :-\
As the article says, as long as an app is running this way even in the background, the display is scaled. And the option will presumably disappear when a developer sets a flag in the compiler saying “notch compatible”. So just run some old version of some tiny utility hidden in the background.
 
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« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2022, 12:55:48 am »
Yeah. I for one don't care about having a webcam embedded in the display anyway, so I would rather have none and no notch. Other, smaller sensors such as light sensors can be put outside of the display area.
but you miss one most important thing.. being trendy and modern..

Is there any laptop out there without an embedded webcam?
for webcam 'not on monitor stupidity', there are plenty of options from not the macbook and not the m$. if you really mean no builtin webcam at all, then its difficult. Hence thats why my general consensus still applies that...

Any breed of laptop (or tablet) is a piece of junk, afa serious work is concerned, esp the 16" monitor and keyboard are so 80's it only meant for kids or newcomers enthusiasts, unless you have a very good reason for your work that a pc or workstation inherently incapable of doing.. a much capable and powerful pc/used workstation can be had for 1/10 to 1/20x the cost of topline macbook.. i'd rather buy a kawasaki ninja then i can do much more such as clubbing..

Why win10/11 thread wanders to laptop discussion? Esp the webcam on lcd abomination? They should be left piling up in dark corner of the gollum world.
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« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2022, 01:13:33 am »
....

While you're busy complaining, many more people are busy getting things done without issue.
 
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« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2022, 01:25:12 am »
Good for you.. i get things done on a $500 machine..with no webcam ever..

How to get things done nowadays :-DD
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« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2022, 02:56:14 am »
Any breed of laptop (or tablet) is a piece of junk, afa serious work is concerned, esp the 16" monitor and keyboard are so 80's it only meant for kids or newcomers enthusiasts, unless you have a very good reason for your work that a pc or workstation inherently incapable of doing.. a much capable and powerful pc/used workstation can be had for 1/10 to 1/20x the cost of topline macbook.. i'd rather buy a kawasaki ninja then i can do much more such as clubbing..
LMAO at how insanely wrong you are. A top of the line, maxed-out MacBook Pro is $6100. You think a $305 PC can exceed that MacBook? 🤣 It won’t even match it. The M1 chip performs extremely well, and M2 ships shortly.

16” display being “so 80s”? 🤣 some more: typical displays in the 80s were 12-14”. 17” didn’t become common until the late 1990s.

Are the most powerful computers in existence desktops? Absolutely. But given that most software, even professional stuff, can’t actually make use of that (since that requires being highly parallelized, something most applications simply aren’t), the real-life performance of even a midrange laptop these days is sufficient.

In my day to day, I use Altium, and it runs beautifully on my $1000 HP laptop. At home, I connect some bigger displays to it.
 

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« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2022, 02:58:36 am »
Good for you.. i get things done on a $500 machine..with no webcam ever..

How to get things done nowadays :-DD
https://youtu.be/hQ4tmH7V7dQ

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« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2022, 04:00:24 am »
In my day to day, I use Altium, and it runs beautifully on my $1000 HP laptop. At home, I connect some bigger displays to it.
i know what you meant and also know how clumsy it is.. in the end, whats most usefull if anything in that tiny piece is the integrated board under the keyboard, but then, like the rest, is crippled in term of upgradability... (once i considered an integrated pc inside a full scale 20"+ monitor that i can carry around, forgot the breed name, that we can plug usb devices at the back of the standing monitor, but i figured my current pc is doing fine, the extra cost is not justifiable)

btw, I know when my modded z800 utilizes all of its 12c/24t cpu, the fans will get noisy. Surprisingly mortal games that i installed  (i learn to be a pilot) will ramp the fans up to max for a shortwhile during loading, unlike whats normally claimed that we only need 4 cores... let alone things like EM/FEA solvers and a diy brute force app to find 4th degree polynomial fit's global minima.. granted that this is only a minority report.. if you dont need it, a macbook at a cost of a kawasaki ninja will make you more than happy..
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Re: W11 - Worth upgrading from W10 ?
« Reply #63 on: June 13, 2022, 06:38:33 am »
Good for you.. i get things done on a $500 machine..with no webcam ever..

How to get things done nowadays :-DD
https://youtu.be/hQ4tmH7V7dQ

 :-DD

To be fair I mostly use the webcam on mine for shaving  :-DD
 

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« Reply #64 on: June 13, 2022, 06:43:03 am »
Yeah. I for one don't care about having a webcam embedded in the display anyway, so I would rather have none and no notch. Other, smaller sensors such as light sensors can be put outside of the display area.
but you miss one most important thing.. being trendy and modern..

Is there any laptop out there without an embedded webcam?
for webcam 'not on monitor stupidity', there are plenty of options from not the macbook and not the m$. if you really mean no builtin webcam at all, then its difficult. Hence thats why my general consensus still applies that...

Any breed of laptop (or tablet) is a piece of junk, afa serious work is concerned, esp the 16" monitor and keyboard are so 80's it only meant for kids or newcomers enthusiasts, unless you have a very good reason for your work that a pc or workstation inherently incapable of doing.. a much capable and powerful pc/used workstation can be had for 1/10 to 1/20x the cost of topline macbook.. i'd rather buy a kawasaki ninja then i can do much more such as clubbing..

Why win10/11 thread wanders to laptop discussion? Esp the webcam on lcd abomination? They should be left piling up in dark corner of the gollum world.

Just have both worlds. A laptop that’s as powerful as a workstation and turns into an desktop. That is not that possible on the PC side of things unfortunately. All the workstation class laptops run stupid hot and noisy. To point out as well: the power cost of most desktop workstations is a significant contributor to the total cost of ownership.

Anyway best solution at least for me. If I bought a Kawasaki Ninja I’d not live long enough to do any work.
 
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« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2022, 07:03:22 am »
In my day to day, I use Altium, and it runs beautifully on my $1000 HP laptop. At home, I connect some bigger displays to it.
i know what you meant and also know how clumsy it is.. in the end, whats most usefull if anything in that tiny piece is the integrated board under the keyboard, but then, like the rest, is crippled in term of upgradability...
Statistically speaking, the vast majority of computers never get any hardware upgrades whatsoever over their lifetimes. While we techies may think of upgrading as an essential thing, most people see a computer as a magic box and simply replace it once it no longer serves their needs. As such, it’s perfectly reasonable for the vast majority of computer models to not bother with upgradability, especially if giving up the upgradability allows for optimizations like reduced cost, thickness and weight, or improved performance (like Apple is getting by building RAM directly into the SoC).
 

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« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2022, 07:06:39 am »
Can confirm. I haven't seen anything upgraded in any business for 15 years other than RAM and CPUs in servers  :-//
 
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« Reply #67 on: June 13, 2022, 08:00:15 am »
Statistically speaking, the vast majority of computers never get any hardware upgrades whatsoever over their lifetimes. While we techies may think of upgrading as an essential thing, most people see a computer as a magic box and simply replace it once it no longer serves their needs. As such, it’s perfectly reasonable for the vast majority of computer models to not bother with upgradability, especially if giving up the upgradability allows for optimizations like reduced cost, thickness and weight, or improved performance (like Apple is getting by building RAM directly into the SoC).
thats why i said for kids and newcomers is ok, and if you dont think to upgrade your skillset (more serious and larger softwares) in foreseeable future during the machine's lifetime. if they have the money, they can go for mac brand from the start. i cant name a single techies in my place that will touch a mac with 10' barge pole though. due to cost, most people will buy not a mac anyway and maxed out their hw later by going to itshop or if they have family who knows how when their os/sw got bloated. good luck doing that on a mac.

Can confirm. I haven't seen anything upgraded in any business for 15 years other than RAM and CPUs in servers  :-//
because for business, i havent heard the boss asked for upgrade, they just buy entirely new sets within 5-10 years time, most of the retired sets still have a good life in them and thats what we B40 grade will usually keep an ear to, i have one here dell brand that i got for free few years ago and i maxed out recently for kids usage (after they managed to render my install to an unbootable state), about 13yrs of hw age... if its an old mac, the rubbish is its rightful place (no hope for upgrade). for normal (esp techies) people, esp storage tech is rapidly changing, you can mark the transition between HDD -> SSD -> NVMe and recently 1TB -> 4TB HDD/SSD upgrade, i bet its within less than a 5 years time for each tech to reach the market.

another aspect is customization option during purchase, with normal PC, the range is basically limitless. dont have the know how? just ask your itshop to do it for you, just name your budget, what games you are going to play what engineering SWs will be in, how many hundreds GB of RAM or TBs of storage you want and you will be all set. you can even ask them to beat this brand or that brand at a fraction of price... 10 years later there is a new hardcore game/simulation that requires a new card, no worries, buy the new card and snap it in the PCIex slot of the old PC, mac? just buy the new book pro of that time i guess and you can put your old mac to a good rest. ymmv.
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« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2022, 08:20:13 am »
Fair points. Last place I worked just shredded 50 unused i9 16" macbook pros. That's the horrible reality of corporate IT. A lot of stuff that goes through disposals and doesn't get shredded is excellent though. For many years I used ex corp desktops and laptops mostly new in box. Chuck some more RAM and an SSD in and use it and job done.

I think the "average user value proposition" is peaking in the second hand Lenovo Tiny series. They are cheap, don't take a lot of room, fairly fast and don't use a lot of energy. Following that, the M1 mac minis are crazy powerful for the money. My Ryzen 3700X desktop was replaced within a week of buying one because it was faster and didn't bake my feet in summer  :-DD
 
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« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2022, 08:22:14 am »
Just have both worlds. A laptop that’s as powerful as a workstation and turns into an desktop. That is not that possible on the PC side of things unfortunately.
i'll do the other way around. buy a powerful PC and a cheap bottom grade laptop if i want portability, just to port my files from a PC/workstation to another PC or for presentation, web meeting etc.

If I bought a Kawasaki Ninja I’d not live long enough to do any work.
discuss that with big bike enthusiasts in their forum and see how much hatred you'll get for that statement ;D i dont need a big bike just as i dont need a mac. your opinion is not wrong, in fact it is right for certain type of people. i'm just giving opinion who think want to be on the side of my type of people, cheers ;)
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« Reply #70 on: June 13, 2022, 08:30:07 am »
I did the two computer thing for years. It never worked out for me. Always sync problems. I do have an iPad though for mostly writing up notes on and mobile use and that does sync perfectly with the mac.

As for the bike thing, that is a statement about my ability, not the bike  :-DD

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« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2022, 11:21:16 am »
Statistically speaking, the vast majority of computers never get any hardware upgrades whatsoever over their lifetimes. While we techies may think of upgrading as an essential thing, most people see a computer as a magic box and simply replace it once it no longer serves their needs. As such, it’s perfectly reasonable for the vast majority of computer models to not bother with upgradability, especially if giving up the upgradability allows for optimizations like reduced cost, thickness and weight, or improved performance (like Apple is getting by building RAM directly into the SoC).
thats why i said for kids and newcomers is ok, and if you dont think to upgrade your skillset (more serious and larger softwares) in foreseeable future during the machine's lifetime.
Utter nonsense.

The days when software was always teetering on the brink of not running are long over. Most computers today far, far exceed the minimum requirements (or even recommended requirements) for most software. It certainly is not the case that "more serious" software always has higher system requirements than more entry level stuff. Heck, the most hardcore professionals often use software that is more lightweight than the stuff for consumers. For example, Keil (the big ARM MCU IDE) is extremely lightweight. A ton of professional software was originally created long ago, with the core code originally designed for far, FAR less powerful systems. Even with new features tacked on, they don't come close to taxing a modern computer.

So "upgrading your skillset" certainly doesn't always (or even often) necessitate upgrading a computer.

In contrast, modern games are extremely demanding.

if they have the money, they can go for mac brand from the start. i cant name a single techies in my place that will touch a mac with 10' barge pole though. due to cost, most people will buy not a mac anyway and maxed out their hw later by going to itshop or if they have family who knows how when their os/sw got bloated. good luck doing that on a mac.
Maybe that's true in Malaysia; I know the relative prices between brands vary significantly around the world. Here in Switzerland, Macs are only a bit more expensive than similar PCs, and their significantly longer usable lifespans more than make it worthwhile, so it's quite common to see techies using them. USA is the same. (I'm an American in Switzerland so I have close ties to both countries.)

Can confirm. I haven't seen anything upgraded in any business for 15 years other than RAM and CPUs in servers  :-//
because for business, i havent heard the boss asked for upgrade, they just buy entirely new sets within 5-10 years time, most of the retired sets still have a good life in them and thats what we B40 grade will usually keep an ear to, i have one here dell brand that i got for free few years ago and i maxed out recently for kids usage (after they managed to render my install to an unbootable state), about 13yrs of hw age... if its an old mac, the rubbish is its rightful place (no hope for upgrade). for normal (esp techies) people, esp storage tech is rapidly changing, you can mark the transition between HDD -> SSD -> NVMe and recently 1TB -> 4TB HDD/SSD upgrade, i bet its within less than a 5 years time for each tech to reach the market.

another aspect is customization option during purchase, with normal PC, the range is basically limitless. dont have the know how? just ask your itshop to do it for you, just name your budget, what games you are going to play what engineering SWs will be in, how many hundreds GB of RAM or TBs of storage you want and you will be all set. you can even ask them to beat this brand or that brand at a fraction of price... 10 years later there is a new hardcore game/simulation that requires a new card, no worries, buy the new card and snap it in the PCIex slot of the old PC, mac? just buy the new book pro of that time i guess and you can put your old mac to a good rest. ymmv.
The average lifespan of PCs in business, which for many years was 2-3 years, has now crept up to 3-4 years due to the factors mentioned at the top of this reply. Macs in businesses typically are kept one year longer than PCs, so around 4-5 years now. Either way, 5-10 years is completely unrealistic.

As for comparing a desktop PC to a Mac laptop: very few PC laptops have upgradeable graphics cards. Laptops, regardless of platform, tend to have highly customized motherboards, and while the Mac has embraced fully-integrated, completely non-customizable/upgradeable motherboards, the PC world is going the same direction, just a few years later (as always...).

FWIW, I do still miss the days of upgradeable desktop Macs. The current Mac Pro is upgradeable-ish, but nothing like how my 2008 Mac Pro is, in which all the drives and expansion cards have been upgraded many times over the years.
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Re: W11 - Worth upgrading from W10 ?
« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2022, 11:38:28 am »
The days when software was always teetering on the brink of not running are long over. Most computers today far, far exceed the minimum requirements (or even recommended requirements) for most software ...

That's so true!  :-DD

The funny thing is, the PC I'm using now has a Ryzen 3 3200G and does the most intensive tasks I do (Fusion 360) with ease. Yet, I'm still planing to upgrade to a Ryzen 5 5600G in a few weeks. It's an addiction I think.

What with all the AI advances going on I may need to run on of those on it soon.  :P Yea that's the reason for upgrading ...
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Re: W11 - Worth upgrading from W10 ?
« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2022, 12:35:27 pm »
Get a mac. Neural engine. 11 trillion float16 ops a second  :scared:
 

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Re: W11 - Worth upgrading from W10 ?
« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2022, 02:14:48 pm »
As for comparing a desktop PC to a Mac laptop: very few PC laptops have upgradeable graphics cards. Laptops, regardless of platform, tend to have highly customized motherboards, and while the Mac has embraced fully-integrated, completely non-customizable/upgradeable motherboards, the PC world is going the same direction, just a few years later (as always...)
just to be clear, my comments earlier are on any laptop in general, not particularly on mac brand. macbook is just a high end version of a laptop. any laptop doesnt have upgradable graphics card, thats what i was talking about, one of the thing.

i dont consider any EDA such as Keil or Microchip Studio as "demanding" tools, even the Photoshop or Altium Designer, they are in "lightweight" to "middleweight" range. AutoCAD or other 3D CAD or renderers start to demand on GPU power, CPU power for custom render methods that the GPU cant do efficiently. things got heavy when you play with engineering solvers and FEA/FEM analysis tools. and i heard people talking about large scale SW development that the compiler will use to the last bit of your CPU power to do compilations of many code files, i dont think Keil is one of them. probably in sci-fi film production too. maybe you can ask people at NASA or CERN about which PC/laptop is suitable for their particle physic modeling/prediction etc. and there is no amount of processing power on earth that is "enough" if you want to do a custom O(n^x) operation with x >= 2, n = extremely large value, even for a small single function of code. ymmv.
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