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What linux distributions is everyone using?
« on: May 25, 2023, 12:23:13 am »
I have a fairly elaborate home network of computers.  Two servers running Ubuntu acting as nfs and samba storages (one backs up the other), Windows 10, and 11 workstations, Mac workstations, and Linux workstations. 

My question is about Linux.  Ubuntu used to be small and nimble.  But I'm not so sure about the latest version, 22.0.4.  It seems bloated, and I am even having stability issues.  Samba disconnects periodically and randomly.  ntp service fed by gpsd simply doesn't recognize the GPS device (worked on 20.0.4).  Plainly put, it feels it's coming closer to how Windows used to be.

I'm not trying to find the best, as it really is a matter of opinion and use case.  But I am curious what Linux distributions everyone is using for server and workstation duties.  Would guys mind sharing that information with short descriptions on why?

Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2023, 12:38:31 am »
Mostly Ubuntu. I switched from fedora years ago, for a variety of minor reasons that I can no longer enumerate.

I do like apt better than yum, but I doubt that was a major driver.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2023, 12:52:53 am »
I use artix linux, which is like arch without system d. I run it in my fairly outdated thinkpad and it's great.

I've been experimenting with dwm and dwmblocks as my tiling window manager/user interface and it's great for tinkering due to how easy it is to interface it with custom scrips/programs.

There's a installation script (https://larbs.xyz) from Luke Smith (somewhat famous linux youtube guy) that installs it and a lot of neat dotfiles on a bare arch/artix install. I recommend everyone interested in linux installing it in a older unused laptop to start playing with it.
 
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2023, 01:17:16 am »
I dropped CentOs in December and installed Debian. I am very satisfied with it.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2023, 01:24:12 am »
Linux Mint on two PCs using Ryzen 7 1700s.

One of them runs 24/7 for Einstein@home. The other PC I use in the evenings to keep in touch (like this forum) while also running Einstein@home. Seems to be a very reliable system for the last few years I've been using it.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2023, 02:20:27 am »
I run Debian on my home media and file server and just moved over to Elementary for desktop duties after years on Ubuntu, mainly for the same reasons the OP exposed. Very happy with it.
 

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2023, 02:45:18 am »
Ubuntu when I can, but anything Debian-based will do.

I run Ubuntu server (i.e. no GUI) on everything from under $10 Arm and RISC-V boards (Pine64 Ox64 is cool) to a 64 core 2 GHz OoO SG2042 RISC-V board, AWS Graviton 3 in the cloud, VMs/docker on my M1 Mac. Oh, and yeah, on a few x86 machines as well :-)

The certainty of knowing that everything from shell scripts to C++ code is going to Just Work across all those devices without worrying about whether X utility is available or Y option is supported on tar or ps or whether a system header file is incompatible is just about magical. Just put Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (ok 22.04 soon) and be happy.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2023, 04:43:03 am »
Devuan on everything. I've always used Debian or Ubuntu and I just don't seem to get on with systemd.
 
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2023, 04:47:49 am »
I use Arch on all machines I've installed Linux on, including SBCs (using archlinux arm), except my NAS which runs on CentOS (but I wouldn't use CentOS these days, I just don't see any benefit of reinstalling it as it's been running smoothly for years.) My next install is going to be migrating my main workstation from Windows to Linux, and it's going to be Arch as well.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2023, 05:04:23 am »
Mint xfce on a few PCs. Debian on an Udoo Bolt Gear.

Thinking of moving to Debian on the PCs, when the LTS expires.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2023, 08:31:19 am »
Arch Linux on all my private machines. Ubuntu on my mother’s laptop, though I will certainly replace it with something else in the future.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2023, 09:31:28 am »
I use Ubuntu only (except from docker) for Linux distro. I have used it for many years on my work (mainly Java software engineer) computer. At home I use Mac as my desktop computer, it's got a zsh shell I can use.

I don't want to fuzz with compiling stuff I actually need. I can get very annoyed (don't come near is the advice) when tools don't work, and I definitely consider the OS as one of my tools.

I also run Ubuntu 23.04 on my PI, which runs SMB just fine. The PI is runs my KNX (wired home automation) to HomeKit. Very critical little machine that is.

On my machines, I always use them as being easily replaceable. E.g. code and KiCad drawings are in git, documents are safely stored / backed up, SMB config has a backup etc. Kinda like docker images.

Also I don't mock around with my own newest compiled stuff on machines I work on. I only use repeatable installs via package management. (One of things I like about Linux distros in general). Or use a virtual machine to test something out if I really need / want to.

Keeps it clean, everything is "stock". If you search something for Ubuntu, you get loads of stuff. But that is no different to other distros.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2023, 10:33:44 am »
Ubuntu IS the windows of linux, has been for some years now, and if i had to choose between the two i would grab windows 100% of the time.
Long gone are the days in which ubuntu (or almost any functional distro) would fit in 300-400MB (the first distro i installed was actually ubuntu, which came on a neat CD for free from canonical. At that time nobody but internet cafes had DSL, at it would cost an arm and a leg. we all ran 56k dialup)

I found my comfort zone in debian. Easy to install, easy to install packages, fairly good support, embedded linux support. XFCE as a window manager, light on the CPU and polished.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2023, 10:43:34 am »
Desktop use - Ubuntu

For containerization its a mixed bag but I usually default to Debian.

 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2023, 10:50:58 am »
I have a fairly elaborate home network of computers.  Two servers running Ubuntu acting as nfs and samba storages (one backs up the other), Windows 10, and 11 workstations, Mac workstations, and Linux workstations. 

My question is about Linux.  Ubuntu used to be small and nimble.  But I'm not so sure about the latest version, 22.0.4.  It seems bloated, and I am even having stability issues.  Samba disconnects periodically and randomly.  ntp service fed by gpsd simply doesn't recognize the GPS device (worked on 20.0.4).  Plainly put, it feels it's coming closer to how Windows used to be.

I'm not trying to find the best, as it really is a matter of opinion and use case.  But I am curious what Linux distributions everyone is using for server and workstation duties.  Would guys mind sharing that information with short descriptions on why?

Thanks in advance.

You might consider moving to TrueNAS and do your smb shares there. IMO you should run Proxmox and virtualize everything and pick 1 desktop OS, I did and it's been a good change.


Devuan on everything. I've always used Debian or Ubuntu and I just don't seem to get on with systemd.

As mentioned, I use Proxmox and avoid Docker which in no time will become a money grubber company, you see all the signals already. Another Sonos, Synology, Ubuquiti clone company.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2023, 05:30:48 pm »
Thanks everyone for input.  Unexpectedly, it came in all over the map, but Debian or its cousins were the majority.  I will give it more thought as this is a good chance to rearchitect my home system.

Thanks again.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2023, 05:38:26 pm »
OpenSuSE Leap (@ work & @ home)
 
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2023, 05:40:25 pm »
Yes, is my answer.

More seriously: Gentoo, Arch, Alpine, Debian, (K)Ubuntu. The latter is shortly going to burn in the fires of he- I mean get replaced with something not using snap.

I use Gentoo for my main workstation and for various VMs, it's flexible and generally doesn't get in my way (just mind the compile times).
Alpine for most containers doing odd jobs, it's tiny, fast, and easy to manage.
Arch where Alpine won't work due to silly, silly non-portable software.
Debian for the same reason, where Arch won't work. Possibly going to just replace Arch with it, because pacman is a little clumsy.
(K)Ubuntu was an experiment on my laptop to remove the maintenance burden - instead made it more annoying, because snap is awful and hilariously overcomplicated for the simple task of package management.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2023, 06:47:12 pm »
[Gentoo] is flexible and generally doesn't get in my way (just mind the compile times).

generally doesn't get in your way for x86, for other architectures (especially MIPS) is a different story :o
Do you have any personal Overlay?


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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2023, 06:48:20 pm »
[Gentoo] is flexible and generally doesn't get in my way (just mind the compile times).

generally doesn't get in your way for x86, for other architectures (especially MIPS) is a different story :o

Yes, ancient dead-end architectures receive very little attention.
 

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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2023, 07:12:29 pm »
ancient dead-end architectures receive very little attention.

that software - compiled from sources - should be architecture-independent, but in reality, it is not.

that's why I am supporting personal overlays and personal stages. If I don't receive attention, I fix stuff myself.
You have to spend a lot of time committing bugs, and if it's not x86 you will receive little/zero attention.

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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2023, 08:28:30 pm »
I prefer Gentoo first, and then Debian second because of its packages system.
 

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2023, 10:33:34 pm »
I'm on stock Fedora with the KDE environment installed over the stock GNOME environment.

I'm not quite at the point of recommending it to anyone, only for the fact that I want to see if there's any long term issues with upgrades.

I was able to upgrade from F37 to F38 with no issues. The KDE is probably the most problematic thing of the installation, but nothing has been a fatal problem. Sometimes updates will result in a number of bugs with all the associated environment plugins and processes, but they are usually fixed fairly quickly.
 

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2023, 11:58:32 pm »
Lubuntu.
 

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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2023, 10:32:26 pm »
I have a fairly elaborate home network of computers.  Two servers running Ubuntu acting as nfs and samba storages (one backs up the other), Windows 10, and 11 workstations, Mac workstations, and Linux workstations. 

My question is about Linux.  Ubuntu used to be small and nimble.  But I'm not so sure about the latest version, 22.0.4.  It seems bloated, and I am even having stability issues.  Samba disconnects periodically and randomly.  ntp service fed by gpsd simply doesn't recognize the GPS device (worked on 20.0.4).  Plainly put, it feels it's coming closer to how Windows used to be.

I'm not trying to find the best, as it really is a matter of opinion and use case.  But I am curious what Linux distributions everyone is using for server and workstation duties.  Would guys mind sharing that information with short descriptions on why?
That is one question with a million answers. If you are already familiar with Ubuntu, then Debian is a logical choice because the package system is the same. Basically Ubuntu tries to have the latest & greatest which might be broken. Debian OTOH tends to lag behind due to thourough testing but what is there, works. I have been using Debian for 25 years or so.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2023, 04:00:08 am »
Every day use: Debian (SLS  -> Slackware -> Debian).
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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2023, 06:22:39 am »
For family: Linux mint.  It's basically Ubuntu minus the crapware (I think it uses the same mirrors too).  I have been running them on it happily since at least 2017.  The default Cinnamon desktop is traditional and well behaved.

For personal devices: Void linux.  I used to use Arch many years back, but systemd bit me too many times and Void's runit implementation is very simple (much simpler than systemd unit files and definitely better than traditional initscript messes).

For servers: varies, a bit of everything.  If it's in an existing environment then I copy the distro choice of its comrades.  For small or high-reliability stuff I use Alpine (it's ability to store changes to disk in RAM and only have them committed manually is magic) and for routers typically Openwrt (comes with a convenient GUI and firewall ruleset system).



 
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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2023, 07:21:15 am »
Started with Redhat before Fedora was even born. Been using Fedora ever since on desktops. Debian and Redhat varieties on servers.
 

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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2023, 08:41:07 am »
distro made yourself: anyone?
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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2023, 11:24:13 am »
distro made yourself: anyone?
I did it for a few years about two decades ago for some servers I maintained, during which I was somewhat active at Linux From Scratch and Beyond LFS.

It's too much effort for anything besides dedicated appliances or one-off purposes (like learning how to do it).

Even most dedicated appliances are better off built on top of minimal Debian or OpenWRT, rather than building all of it from pure sources.  That way you can leverage the know-how of others, and can find out about fixes and bugs before they bite you.
 
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« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2023, 12:27:20 pm »
That way you can leverage the know-how of others, and can find out about fixes and bugs before they bite you.

edit: better quote
from things like Yocto, meta-builders
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« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2023, 03:53:27 pm »
I did it for a few years about two decades ago for some servers I maintained, during which I was somewhat active at Linux From Scratch and Beyond LFS.

I've always suspected that you're Linus Torvalds in disguise.
 
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« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2023, 04:06:08 pm »
I did it for a few years about two decades ago for some servers I maintained, during which I was somewhat active at Linux From Scratch and Beyond LFS.
I've always suspected that you're Linus Torvalds in disguise.
Nope.  Although the early time scale matches, I was in the Physics department; Linus was in the Computer Science department, or "käpistely".  I did meet him a couple of times.
 
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« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2023, 04:18:08 pm »
Mint xfce has served me well for almost a decade.
 

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« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2023, 08:30:00 pm »
I did it for a few years about two decades ago for some servers I maintained, during which I was somewhat active at Linux From Scratch and Beyond LFS.
I've always suspected that you're Linus Torvalds in disguise.
Nope.  Although the early time scale matches, I was in the Physics department; Linus was in the Computer Science department, or "käpistely".  I did meet him a couple of times.

Thanks, I learned a finnish word today. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/k%C3%A4pistely ;D
 
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2023, 09:29:04 pm »
Moved to Mint when Ubuntu made Unity the default desktop.  I've never seen a reason to move back.  Since Mint is based on Ubuntu nearly all of the huge trove of troubleshooting help on the web that targets Ubuntu applies just was well to Mint.
 

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« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2023, 09:42:23 pm »
yet another ubuntu user here,been using it as my main os  since it was a hedgehog
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2023, 01:01:44 am »
distro made yourself: anyone?
I threatened a security team with that as a response when they said
"You MUST apply all patches [not just all security patches] that your OS vendor publishes within X days of them being published".
"OK, I SHALL become my own OS vendor and I assure you that I will apply all patches that the vendor of my OS publishes in an incredibly timely fashion..."
 

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« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2023, 04:24:39 am »
And they did not report you for that kind of an answer? Just silently accepted it? I must admit somebody there is not doing their job right.

The reasons, all patches must be applied, are:
  • The vulnerability may be published not under the full disclosure, but responsible disclosure regime, in which case the patch is not released as a security fix. Even worse, some software vendors mislead the users and never reveal critical security vulnerabilities. Of course one may argue it would be best to avoid such companies, but there is no way to identify them until they are caught lying.
  • Non-security patches may inadvertently fix vulnerabilities, leading to the latter never being announced in the first place. In a similar fashion, security patches may assume presence of a non-security patch.
That of course applies to users, not actual projects maintaining distros. But it’s clear from your statement, you are the former.
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« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2023, 05:13:00 am »
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« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2023, 06:50:24 am »
distro made yourself: anyone?

Always. I don't like any of the bloated rubbish distros.

Was it really supposed to do that?
 

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« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2023, 08:41:50 am »
distro made yourself: anyone?

Always. I don't like any of the bloated rubbish distros.

What do you use as meta-builder? OE? Catalyst? Yocto? ...
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2023, 09:01:35 am »
I am happy user of MX linux.

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« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2023, 09:18:51 am »
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« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2023, 09:19:49 am »
distro made yourself: anyone?

Always. I don't like any of the bloated rubbish distros.

What do you use as meta-builder? OE? Catalyst? Yocto? ...

None of these. I use the LFS build system to start the core build and then fork to my custom build about 3/4 through to include other tools and packages I require on hosts.
I have both BIOS boot systems for older devices and UEFI boot systems for the newer devices.
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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2023, 10:31:17 am »
And they did not report you for that kind of an answer? Just silently accepted it? I must admit somebody there is not doing their job right.
This was in the context of debating what policy we should have. It resulted in an amicable change of policy as they realized they couldn’t define what an OS vendor was in the case of an open-source OS, which was my point. (This was an error stemming from a “there are only two vendors of OS” mindset, not an actual disagreement on whether one should apply patches.)
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2023, 11:02:45 am »
I have a fairly elaborate home network of computers.  Two servers running Ubuntu acting as nfs and samba storages (one backs up the other), Windows 10, and 11 workstations, Mac workstations, and Linux workstations. 

My question is about Linux.  Ubuntu used to be small and nimble.  But I'm not so sure about the latest version, 22.0.4.  It seems bloated, and I am even having stability issues.  Samba disconnects periodically and randomly.  ntp service fed by gpsd simply doesn't recognize the GPS device (worked on 20.0.4).  Plainly put, it feels it's coming closer to how Windows used to be.

I'm not trying to find the best, as it really is a matter of opinion and use case.  But I am curious what Linux distributions everyone is using for server and workstation duties.  Would guys mind sharing that information with short descriptions on why?

Thanks in advance.

TL;DR

Not Linux but:

Solaris 10 because of the ZFS filesystem (huge management feature set and top reliability), professional, complete doc and great compilers including Fortran.
NetBSD because it has the best package management system I have seen, and saved me a long time ago when a machine was dying and nothing else would run on it.
OpenBSD because it's thin, light, and the devs care about correctness and safety/security. Lots and lots of innovations.

Linux:

Slackware because it's a good blend of letting you set up your box how you want, giving you a fair shot at eliminating bloat, while also offering a lot of packages.
Fedora Workstation (with a bunch of package groups removed) since I got tired of playing home sysadmin. Works great, have never had a problem.

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Longer version:

I have a bunch of boxes in two locations running various OS including some Linux.

Desktop machine has been Fedora for the last 4 or 5 years, before that I ran Slackware for 10 years or so. While I really liked that a couple of guys wrote packaging tools so I could make my own packages, it started to be too time-consuming and my priorities changed, so in the end I went with a packaged-managed distro (Fedora, as mentioned) and I'm completely happy with it. Nothing ever breaks. Also have a laptop from hell running Fedora. And I use Fedora for WSL on my Windows 10 Pro boxes. I don't like Windows, but WSL has made me dislike it a lot less... and I need Windows for work sometimes.

Main desktop lately has been Win 10 Pro. Without WSL I would not have done that.

I run OpenBSD on some Fuloong boxes which are file servers and emulation hosts.

I run FreeBSD on a Xeon box as a NAS, Samba, minidlna. I have another Xeon box running Fedora which I use as a backup box. Both of these boxes are also emulation hosts.

I have a bunch of Sun rack servers running Solaris 10, with S8 and S9 in zones. I have made accounts on these boxes available in the past for a couple of open source projects that I follow/followed.

I have DietPi on some RPI boxes, and NetBSD on Odroid.

Solaris 10 is my favorite do-everything OS, but for various reasons I don't use it as a desktop anymore although I did for a few years. 11 has been out for a long time, 10 isn't being developed anymore, the source for patches I had for S10 dried up. But and I haven't wanted to go to 11. Still useful as a server and development box but not a viable desktop choice unless you like hurting yourself. Sad, because S10 and CDE are so awesome, and nobody does ZFS like Sun did.

You could look into OpenBSD, NetBSD, or FreeBSD (in no particular order) if you would consider not using Linux. They're all perfectly good as desktops and servers, I'd choose FreeBSD if server use was more important than desktop, Net or Open if desktop was more important. Not that OpenBSD can't be used to make a great server, it certainly can. But ZFS is very important to me.

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2023, 11:27:22 am »
None of these. I use the LFS build system to start the core build and then fork to my custom build about 3/4 through to include other tools and packages I require on hosts.

do you use the Debian/Ubuntu package manager? PACman (Arch Linux), Portage(Gentoo), BitBake OE? ... or have you implemented your own package manager with a dependency resolver?

and do you use "recipes" and/or "ebuilds" from other distros?

I am going to replace "emerge" with something written in C, able to also use "recipes", and based on a true database.

# mypac
> db import /var/db/pkg
> db save

(how it will import from the Gentoo text-based packages database)

I don't like Python-based tools, and I need to support EAPI from 1 to 8. Two years ago Gentoo dropped all the support for EAPI<5.
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« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2023, 11:32:14 am »
I run OpenBSD on some Fuloong boxes which are file servers and emulation hosts.

oh, arch/mips/loongson64 -> ~MIPS64/LE  :o :o :o
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« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2023, 12:14:12 pm »
None of these. I use the LFS build system to start the core build and then fork to my custom build about 3/4 through to include other tools and packages I require on hosts.

do you use the Debian/Ubuntu package manager? PACman (Arch Linux), Portage(Gentoo), BitBake OE? ... or have you implemented your own package manager with a dependency resolver?

and do you use "recipes" and/or "ebuilds" from other distros?

I am going to replace "emerge" with something written in C, able to also use "recipes", and based on a true database.

# mypac
> db import /var/db/pkg
> db save

(how it will import from the Gentoo text-based packages database)

I don't like Python-based tools, and I need to support EAPI from 1 to 8. Two years ago Gentoo dropped all the support for EAPI<5.

No. I build all upgrades from sources. I resolve dependencies by examining the source build notes and the configure scripts.
Since the system I build are very lean there are not that many packages to be concerned with. I've eliminated all the useless bloat that mainstream distros have.
The only time I do a full OS rebuild is when there are major updates to gcc, glibc or Linux, as this tends to have an effect on everything.
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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2023, 12:54:23 pm »
No. I build all upgrades from sources.

I am talking about that! Gentoo and BitBake both compile stuff from sources unless you need a binary package

e.g. to compile gnat, you first need a binary "bootstrapper", basically a compiler able to compile Ada
e.g. Java{c,jre} is a binary package, a tarball that contains stuff that will be installed in /opt
e.g. since Yaboot is broken on PowerMac and nobody (except me) wants to fix it, if you don't want to use Grub2, you can only install Yaboot-static

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      Description:   PPC Bootloader

sys-boot/yaboot-static <----------------------- it's a tarball that contains the binary program
      Description:   Static yaboot ppc boot loader for machines with open firmware

I always compile stuff from the source, but you still have to consider and resolve dependencies!
What has to be compiled, and in which order. Sometimes there are also conflicts, and you have to resolve them.

There are also conflicts with user flags! Which features enable which rebuild -> sometimes you have to choose mutually exclusive.

The Portage has "slots" to facilitate the tasks. OE has a similar concept, but "recipes" are simpler than "ebuilds".

That's the job of the package manager! Plus, it needs to keep information about which file belongs to which package, and how every single package has emerged!
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« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2023, 06:57:48 pm »
I like this approach in theory, but it's much too time consuming, unfortunately.

The day I might go as far as that, I might as well write my own kernel too. (Something I'd like to experiment with, but too big an endeavour unless sticking to a very very small set of hardware.)
 

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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2023, 07:38:49 pm »
Mint is good thesedays, MATE version is good if you just want the OS to run and don't care about more modern looking graphics, though some of the default settings are terrible (like a fat ungainly cursor without a sharp indicating point) and need changing right away when you install. Ubuntu is pretty similar to Mint except that with more recent versions Ubuntu is moving in the rather corporate "we'll handle all the settings, don't worry your pretty little head" direction whereas Mint still has menus which let you get at most things easily. Obviously command line gives you yet more control on either distro.
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« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2023, 07:43:01 pm »
I run OpenBSD on some Fuloong boxes which are file servers and emulation hosts.

oh, arch/mips/loongson64 -> ~MIPS64/LE  :o :o :o

They're great little green servers :D
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« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2023, 09:44:25 pm »
Personal use / preference:

Servers - Debian Stable
Desktops - Arch

At $dayjob:

Servers - Mostly Ubuntu Server, some CentOS
Desktop - Kubuntu
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« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2023, 10:26:11 pm »
No. I build all upgrades from sources.

I am talking about that! Gentoo and BitBake both compile stuff from sources unless you need a binary package

e.g. to compile gnat, you first need a binary "bootstrapper", basically a compiler able to compile Ada
e.g. Java{c,jre} is a binary package, a tarball that contains stuff that will be installed in /opt
e.g. since Yaboot is broken on PowerMac and nobody (except me) wants to fix it, if you don't want to use Grub2, you can only install Yaboot-static

Code: [Select]
sys-boot/yaboot <----------------------- it will be compiled from the source
      Description:   PPC Bootloader

sys-boot/yaboot-static <----------------------- it's a tarball that contains the binary program
      Description:   Static yaboot ppc boot loader for machines with open firmware

I always compile stuff from the source, but you still have to consider and resolve dependencies!
What has to be compiled, and in which order. Sometimes there are also conflicts, and you have to resolve them.

There are also conflicts with user flags! Which features enable which rebuild -> sometimes you have to choose mutually exclusive.

The Portage has "slots" to facilitate the tasks. OE has a similar concept, but "recipes" are simpler than "ebuilds".

That's the job of the package manager! Plus, it needs to keep information about which file belongs to which package, and how every single package has emerged!

I've been building my own distro for around 20 years now.
The original bootstrap system was an old Fedora/Redhat installation. This was used to build the toolchain required to compile the sources in a chroot environment.
These days I just use the existing system to build a new system.
I identify the dependencies and install what is needed with just the options that I want on the system. I do this for all packages.
I have it well documented and scripted so it's not too time consuming. I have many types of servers running this OS, from Supermicro rack servers to desktop boxes to NUC boxes. Usually all that is needed is the addition of a network driver if there is different network hardware. After booting I can rebuild the kernel with additional support for things like sensors if needed.

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2023, 09:10:51 am »
I identify the dependencies and install what is needed with just the options that I want on the system. I do this for all packages.
I have it well documented and scripted so it's not too time consuming.
Nowadays, whenever I compile stuff from Git or elsewhere, I write a build script capable of pulling the sources from git (unless the directory already exists), running ./configure options..., make et cetera, that I keep around even after deleting the actual sources (and binaries).  It makes rebuilding stuff much, much easier, since the cognitive load is minimal.  (I of course do read the script first, because it can remind me of oddities in particular software projects.)

I never liked the Automated Linux From Scratch approach of extracting the commands from the XML LFS or BLFS book(s), and instead always preferred to put the commands for each package into a script.  Prefixing the script with a three or four-digit order number, you could just execute them in series to compile an entire system.

For Debian derivatives, I like that script to build a .deb package, and then install the built package by hand, because it makes system maintenance simpler – especially so if you bother to set the prerequisites/required packages/conflicting packages right.  Even when no suitable debian/ exists for a particular package (often one from another derivative works fine; sometimes may need small edits), it is very easy to add yourself; see Guide for Debian Maintainers, especially chapters 8.3 and 8.2, because they cover the most typical cases.
I used to do the same for .rpm packages under RedHat derivatives, but haven't used RHEL/Fedora-derivatives as my workhorse for a few years now.  Adding the details to build an RPM package is quite similar process, though; see e.g. RPM Packaging Guide, or the packaging guide for your distribution.
 

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« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2023, 10:11:58 am »
I identify the dependencies and install what is needed with just the options that I want on the system. I do this for all packages.
I have it well documented and scripted so it's not too time consuming.
Nowadays, whenever I compile stuff from Git or elsewhere, I write a build script capable of pulling the sources from git (unless the directory already exists), running ./configure options..., make et cetera, that I keep around even after deleting the actual sources (and binaries).  It makes rebuilding stuff much, much easier, since the cognitive load is minimal.  (I of course do read the script first, because it can remind me of oddities in particular software projects.)

I never liked the Automated Linux From Scratch approach of extracting the commands from the XML LFS or BLFS book(s), and instead always preferred to put the commands for each package into a script.  Prefixing the script with a three or four-digit order number, you could just execute them in series to compile an entire system.

Agreed. I build my own scripts because I decide on what is needed and what is not needed as options for each package configuration, primarily for security and performance.
 
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« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2023, 12:23:11 pm »
I build my own scripts because I decide on what is needed and what is not needed as options for each package configuration, primarily for security and performance.
Yup; for me a major part was also thorough understanding of how the various parts of a working system interact.

Nowadays, few server admins realize that keeping e.g. server configurations in their standard locations is problematic, because it causes new related services to be "enabled" (if that is what distro maintainers have configured it to) by default when installed, and that can conflict with the existing configuration.  My favourite example of this is Apache (the HTTP/HTTPS server).  Many packages provide "utility" components accessible via the local server, and even in Debian, some of them are enabled by default.  Personally, I move its configuration directory elsewhere, and require any new features to be added to the actual configuration by hand by an administrator.  (Combined with admin action tracking even across 'sudo su -', this leaves an immutable log of which admin has enabled what additional features.)

One can be pleasantly surprised how much better performance one can get from an Apache or Nginx installation, with properly tuned settings and chosen modules.  (The related security issues, especially using multiple user accounts per site, with server-side code unable to modify itself or create new server-side executables, is one of my buttons I could rant about for hours on end.)
It is doubly important when you have a server with multiple sites, and user administrators of various levels (including students) and occasionally across subsites; I developed a well-working local groups based scheme with only a couple of helper utilities needed for that scenario.

At the time I maintained my own distro, around the turn of the century, one was a qmail mail server and DNS server/cache and NAT gateway for a subnet, and another was a file and print server for Mac OS (pre-X) and Windows clients, using Mars NWE and Samba, for sharing the same volumes.  I did a lot of work around proper file locking (for MS Office users), but I cannot recall whether I got it bullet-proof or not.  (It was good enough to not have issues I did not have workarounds for, though.)  I had very good relations with the IT dept at that uni, but unfortunately my own stuff worked so well and I didn't advertise it enough that the dept heads had no idea what I did –– they just saw everything working as it should, with no effort...  Started my own downfall, that.
 

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« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2023, 11:41:51 am »
Thanks everyone for input.  Unexpectedly, it came in all over the map, but Debian or its cousins were the majority.  I will give it more thought as this is a good chance to rearchitect my home system.

Thanks again.

Though I'd add a postscript to this. After trying to find a setup I like for an rpi4, I've just configured one with Debian server (Bookworm) plus XFCE desktop plus tightvncserver, wih good results so far.
Haven't tried that setup yet on an rpi3.

So I can see Mint or Debian plus XFCE becoming my standard setup for PCs, Udoo boards, rpis and the like. I'll be looking for Debian or Mint compatibility in any future hardware for my
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« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2023, 11:46:46 am »
I use Ubuntu, Debian (both WSL), CasaOs and Zorin Pro.
 

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« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2023, 11:01:46 am »
Former Sysadmin here (20+ years experience in 3rd line support), so my experiences related below primary relate to server rather than desktop usage.

For several years, RedHat (prior to Fedora) and CentOS were my favourites, but then I started running into package dependency issues.

I ran into stability issues with Fedora so switched to Debian, which I have used almost exclusively for the past 10 years or so.

I rarely ever used Linux on the desktop (I used to manage mixed environments so needed the Windows tools) however I note that most of the software developers I provided support for favoured Ubuntu and CentOS with a tiny percentage liking Linux mint.

More recently (and having developed a dislike for Systemd) I have been using Void Linux which uses runit instead of systemd (although I note that runit is now available in Debian).

I have also had brief encounters with Slackware (I find the package management a bit clunky) and Gentoo (also found managing packages a bit tedious), although in fairness I think both of these have improved in recent years. I've not tried them for a long while.



 

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« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2023, 06:25:44 pm »

For several years, RedHat (prior to Fedora) and CentOS were my favourites, but then I started running into package dependency issues.

I ran into stability issues with Fedora so switched to Debian, which I have used almost exclusively for the past 10 years or so.


It's a long time ago since Redhat and the most common derivatives had dependency issues. The repositories are rock solid nowadays and testing and quality control is top class. Where you can get some hiccups, is with third party repositories that don't have the same quality control. Even Fedora that has a fast development pace with latest versions of everything, doesn't have any issues nowadays. I would say around 10 years ago or so, there were sometimes issues with Fedora. Nowadays it's a solid desktop distribution. I wouldn't use it on a server, though. Even CentOS Stream would be easier to maintain. (Written from a Fedora desktop).
 

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« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2023, 06:56:49 pm »
I started with Slackware and then RedHat in the early/mid 90's. I still have a commercial boxed copy of RH 3.0 (on 3.5" floppies) on the shelf. I still remember installing from FTP servers. When RedHat split the distro between RHEL and Fedora, I started looking at others. I've dabbled in several, but have mostly landed on Debian and Ubuntu LTS distros. I do some desktop work but it's primarily server and CLI based development work, so I don't need a Linux GUI. When I need a GUI then I'm typically needing MacOS or Windows.
 

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« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2023, 05:23:50 pm »
Ubuntu since 6.06 (2006) is my daily and go-to distro. I install others only if needed for a particular reason.
 

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« Reply #66 on: September 26, 2023, 01:28:07 pm »
I have been using Linux Mint for quite some years now and I am very happy with it on the whole. I do miss some things from Windows like the Device Manager and mint still has some bugs that bother me but, on the whole, I am happy and would not go back to Windows. I absolutely refuse the concept of the software as a service and the "telemetry" spying, etc. No way.

Linux Mint requires much less in resources and will run efficiently in machines that would choke on Windows 10. When Covid arrived I installed Mint on a bunch of old laptops so the kids could attend remote classes. Those laptops were older dual cores that would choke on Windows.

Mint has some bugs that bother me and I do not understand why they are not fixed.  One is the desktop icons not behaving, moving, etc. It seems so basic.

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« Reply #67 on: September 26, 2023, 01:51:27 pm »
Too lazy for Gentoo :palm: so it's Arch even though it sucks massive donkey balls ::)

Debian derivatives I can't stand, their package managers are weird and have crap UX.
 

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« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2023, 02:01:13 pm »
I am experimenting with fedora for the first time. Previously, I used MX Linux. The reason for fedora is simple - Framework 13 laptop. However, I am not friends with Gnome. It is weird but some say one gets used to it. :phew:

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« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2023, 02:10:28 pm »
Debian derivatives I can't stand, their package managers are weird and have crap UX.

LOL I'm the opposite. I love me some apt! Everytime I have to use a non-apt based distro I curse as much as I type. It's become second nature to me. I came from RedHat back in the 90's when RPM was state of the art over building from tarballs, though dependency management was still hell. Yum was just gaining ground on RH-based distros when I shifted to Debian-based builds. Yum is okay but I'm far more proficient with apt.

If you're referring to the GUI UX, then I can't speak to that as I rarely use it. I do all of my sysadmin stuff from the CLI.
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« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2023, 02:15:02 pm »
No, I'm talking all the apt-* dpkg-* stuff.

A million executables with a billion subcommands, no single man page, IIRC some of them are only usable after fetching additional data which are not downloaded by "apt-get update",  :scared:

I presume one can get used to it and become proficient, but I'm not there yet.
 
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« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2023, 02:53:18 pm »
Debian, minimal on the little print server I made from a junk netbook, whatever the default desktop is on the desktop machine (meh, it works well enough I haven't bothered to change, yet).
 

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« Reply #72 on: September 26, 2023, 03:11:19 pm »
I am experimenting with fedora for the first time. Previously, I used MX Linux. The reason for fedora is simple - Framework 13 laptop. However, I am not friends with Gnome. It is weird but some say one gets used to it. :phew:
I think what most people who are happily running Fedora get used to is you select one of the other desktops, like Mate or XFCE, as you install it. Fedora has them all packaged up nicely, so they install just as smoothly as Gnome. Gnome took a weird turn at version 3, that they won't retreat from.

I've used Fedora and RedHat before that for the last 25 years. However, recent changes to Fedora have finally made me seriously experiment with Debian. I haven't been finding any issues I can't live with, although the apt world seems clunkier than the rpm+dnf world.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #73 on: September 27, 2023, 04:04:05 am »
Gnome took a weird turn at version 3, that they won't retreat from.

What actually, did they do?  Gnome 2 was great.  But I landed up in a Windows world just as G3 was getting substantial enough to consider transitioning.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #74 on: September 27, 2023, 04:33:52 am »
Gnome took a weird turn at version 3, that they won't retreat from.

What actually, did they do?  Gnome 2 was great.  But I landed up in a Windows world just as G3 was getting substantial enough to consider transitioning.

its quite fine if all your gonna click on the desktop is a few apps, its the desktop to give to your mum, big icons, all staring right at you, can't get confused about that?.

For anyone else its insanely inadequate. And please, doing a search to get at all your special apps,its WTF?
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #75 on: September 27, 2023, 05:04:44 am »
There are many alternative window managers on Linux, it is not like Win or Mac. I think it doesnt matter much with which one the distribution comes with.
 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #76 on: September 27, 2023, 05:08:53 am »
People are really divided about Gnome 3 (now Gnome 4x), some love it, but many despise it.
I have used it a bit on my laptop at some point, and for some light use on the go on a laptop, it was ok. But for any serious desktop use, I would trash it in an instant, I find it unbearable.

Windows had already tried something like this with the infamous Metro start screen of Win 8, which basically looked like the Activities screen of Gnome 4x, just admittedly that Gnome looks better.
Windows 11 is trying to steer back in the same direction with their new "start menu", although you can still use desktop icons.

Gnome can become remotely usable if you install a number of extensions, unfortunately extensions tend to break at every Gnome update due to how the extension subsystem is architectured, so that bites immensely.
But for people who dig Android-like UIs, that probably works fine.

 

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #77 on: September 27, 2023, 11:26:09 am »
There are many alternative window managers on Linux, it is not like Win or Mac. I think it doesnt matter much with which one the distribution comes with.

Here is the thing. PC is a tool for me. A tool to browse the web, watch youtube, design PCBs, run simulations, etc. I am annoyed when I need to babysit it. From my experience, when you start "tweaking" something, you break things and introduce bugs. It may work at the first glance but two weeks later you find out that something does not work***. It steals my precious free time.
For all my devices, I try to keep as default configuration as possible. This is the configuration that is likely most tested. I also like to use all software in English.

Even fedora has things that bug me
  • TouchPad palm rejection
  • DPI scaling (high-res internal LCD on laptop + external 21:9 ultra-wide screen)
From what I understood, Gnome DE is probably the best DE to get reasonable experience when docking with monitors that have different DPI. I like my Framework 13 laptop. The manufacturer and the community is very Linux-friendly. However, still you need to do "this and that" to make it running. And sometimes it does not work anyways. I hate to say that but I always end up using Windows 11 again. (no problems with battery, hibernation, etc.)

What I am afraid is that when I take Fedora and change the desktop environment, I spend hours to make it reasonable and the next update kills it again. Once again, I don't want to babysit my computer. I don't babysit my pliers and wrenches in the workshop either. I expect them work 24/7.

*** had it some time ago, I solved audio but HDMI stopped working. I found out when desperately needed to connect my PC to the TV...

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2023, 01:21:17 pm »
what I really need at the moment is a C well written and coherent tiling window manager.
I don't need any file-manager, desktop-manager, session manager.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #79 on: September 27, 2023, 02:23:22 pm »
There are many alternative window managers on Linux, it is not like Win or Mac. I think it doesnt matter much with which one the distribution comes with.

Here is the thing. PC is a tool for me. A tool to browse the web, watch youtube, design PCBs, run simulations, etc. I am annoyed when I need to babysit it. From my experience, when you start "tweaking" something, you break things and introduce bugs. It may work at the first glance but two weeks later you find out that something does not work***. It steals my precious free time.
For all my devices, I try to keep as default configuration as possible. This is the configuration that is likely most tested. I also like to use all software in English.

I dont think this can be called tweaking, as it is pretty well defined and the well known window managers are pretty stable, but I totally understand your point.
 
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #80 on: September 27, 2023, 02:26:39 pm »
Debian and now for 20 years almost. Very stable and still (some?) possibility to get somewhat "latest" packages if needed. I think it is not about distribution it is about your selections that make this or that heavy/light/or so. I have now used i3 tiling thingy with some "extensions" for very long and would not go back to resizing "float" windows (not talking os now) hazzle. I3 comes with multiple desktops but is not the most easy to start with. However still pretty much easier than awesome for example. Whatever you take (specially ubuntu / debian or derivant) don't install everything and specially not with all "recommends".
 

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« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2023, 04:50:54 pm »
I installed Debian 12 at home a couple of weeks ago, for s/w development. I started out using XFCE but I switched to Cinnamon after a few days. So far it's all working well.
 

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« Reply #82 on: September 27, 2023, 08:14:31 pm »
what I really need at the moment is a C well written and coherent tiling window manager.
I don't need any file-manager, desktop-manager, session manager.

Don't 'awesome' or 'i3' fit the bill?
 

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« Reply #83 on: September 27, 2023, 08:33:28 pm »
what I really need at the moment is a C well written and coherent tiling window manager.
I don't need any file-manager, desktop-manager, session manager.

Don't 'awesome' or 'i3' fit the bill?

Unfortunately no.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #84 on: September 27, 2023, 11:03:26 pm »
what I really need at the moment is a C well written and coherent tiling window manager.
I don't need any file-manager, desktop-manager, session manager.

Have you tried Xmonad?
 

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« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2023, 11:05:45 pm »
what I really need at the moment is a C well written and coherent tiling window manager.
I don't need any file-manager, desktop-manager, session manager.

Have you tried Xmonad?

yes, but it's written in Haskell, and I have serious problem supporting a Haskell compiler for { MIPS-I, MIPS-IV, MIPS32, HPPA2 }.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #86 on: September 28, 2023, 05:13:48 am »
what I really need at the moment is a C well written and coherent tiling window manager.
I don't need any file-manager, desktop-manager, session manager.

Don't 'awesome' or 'i3' fit the bill?

Unfortunately no.

I am interested to hear why not?
 

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« Reply #87 on: September 28, 2023, 09:24:34 am »
I am interested to hear why not?

Not C well written and not coherent.
To make it support what I need I have to hack it heavily.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #88 on: September 30, 2023, 02:07:59 pm »
I have been using Debian for both servers and desktop for decades and I'm very happy with it. I only had a very brief period of running Ubuntu on a new laptop because of a hardware support problem but returned to Debian immediately once that was sorted out. I have used several Desktop environments over the years (KDE, XFCE, Gnome) but have pretty much settled on i3 now.

I have a virtual Windows machine on my laptop for the odd cases when I really need it.

I even converted my in-laws to Debian+XFCE when they started having problems with Windows changing on them al the time and they are pretty happy with it for their needs (web surfing, email, writing stuff, managing their pictures and a game of solitaire every ow and then). The switch has made my life a lot easier as I can now easily maintain their computers remotely via ssh without them having to do anything beyond turning it on.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2023, 07:11:27 pm »
I have been using Debian for both servers and desktop for decades and I'm very happy with it. I only had a very brief period of running Ubuntu on a new laptop because of a hardware support problem but returned to Debian immediately once that was sorted out. I have used several Desktop environments over the years (KDE, XFCE, Gnome) but have pretty much settled on i3 now.

I have a virtual Windows machine on my laptop for the odd cases when I really need it.

I even converted my in-laws to Debian+XFCE when they started having problems with Windows changing on them al the time and they are pretty happy with it for their needs (web surfing, email, writing stuff, managing their pictures and a game of solitaire every ow and then). The switch has made my life a lot easier as I can now easily maintain their computers remotely via ssh without them having to do anything beyond turning it on.

Do your in-laws have a static IP address, or how do you solve this?
I too need to (and want to) babysit my father's PC.

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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #90 on: September 30, 2023, 07:16:41 pm »
Most sytems here are FreeBSD, far more lightweight and clean than current Linux, which I mainly dropped after the systemd debacle. Suse or Debian otherwise, but Suse always sems just that bit more polished and feature rich than even Debian, which used to be the stock install for years here...
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #91 on: September 30, 2023, 07:19:14 pm »
I too need to (and want to) babysit my father's PC.
I maintain remotely a bunch of computers running Linux Mint and I use Anydesk. Years ago I used Teamviewer but they became very obnoxious demanding payment saying they detected professional use. i switched to Anydesk and I am very satisfied.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #92 on: September 30, 2023, 09:28:30 pm »
Do your in-laws have a static IP address, or how do you solve this?

No – they don't. I'm using a dynamic DNS service. There are plenty out there (dynDNS, No-IP, ...). As they are behind a NAT router, I also configured their router to forward different external ports to port 22 (ssh) on the respective computers so I can connect. E.g. 22222 -> 22 on computer 1 and 22223 -> 22 on computer 2.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #93 on: October 01, 2023, 06:28:15 am »
In the past I had a similar situation with my mother’s laptop. I installed Ubuntu for her. She’s behind a non-configurable NAT with no static IP address.

While the setup is no longer in place, it had an SSH tunnel configured to connect to my computer (which has a full internet connection). This way I could access ports on her machine. That does require coöperation from both ends: I must enable the service, she must enable the laptop and click a button. But for the intended purpose of sporadic or emergency maintenance it was fine.

Another often overlooked option is running SSH as an onion service in the Tor network. The downside is having two layers of encryption and authentication: one from Tor, one from SSH. But for terminal sessions it’s not particularly painful. A small advantage is lower exposure, because addresses can’t be enumerated and are expensive to discover.
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Re: What linux distributions is everyone using?
« Reply #94 on: October 02, 2023, 11:47:23 pm »
The 'easy' solution to the remote access issue is to set up Tailscale on the device. NAT traversal etc. is handled for you.

I tend to just use Chrome Remote Desktop for one-off support, though.
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