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One of the disadvantages of using a Win OS that is "out of support" is that software developers will not make versions of software that work on the old OS (why should they?).

e.g., Have a Windows XP machine? Newer Firefox versions stopped supporting it a while are stuck with older versions. Web sites are more interested in developing for phones rather than making things still working with old Win versions.  Same with other "common" software - even antivirus software becomes difficult. Now, I have to deal with different software on different machines - it is a waste of time for me to learn (or remember) different way to do the same thing on multiple machines. With those old USB ports and slots, you get hardware limitations as well. For dedicated purposes, they are still fine, but if it is a desktop, you have a lot of space taken up for decreasing gain.

It has not become that bad with 7 yet, but it is not far off. Yeah, it's a racket. I have two XP machines within eye reach at the moment. I have no idea what I will do with them - that's what I get for keeping a machine for more than 10 years. True, 25 years ago, I would have dyed my nut hairs orange to have that much computing power  ;).

I have no reason NOT to accept WIN 11 other than I'm lazy, I know it will peak suck for the first year, I have to buy more crap and find more space.  Did I say "no reason"? Maybe "no choice" is a better phrase.

That is the way I feel right now and I know that there are comebacks to each of those issues, but they have their disadvantages as well...I just try to remember that I have these machines to help me do stuff easily...that was the idea anyways.

I had a Linux 'box' when the version of it used to called Kernel 1. I installed and used FreeBSD on a 486 machine. Hell, I still have all 3 volumes of those Stevens books to learn TCP/IP

The Win stacks for that stuff were seriously crippled. But, as things evolved, I relented - I always thought WordPerfect was better than Word (at the time), but with Office and everybody in the workplace going there - it became a matter of how much time do I want to spend "learning" and how much time do I want to spend "doing"?

Now what am I supposed to do - become a Linux fanboy to run software that has the look and feel of Win crap?

Yeah, I know...rantings of a curmudgeon, but I say are your gold coins Caesar, now go eff yourself.


The issue is, if you have older hardware as well (printers, musical instruments, whatever) that are no longer supported on the new version of Windows...   then it becomes expensive to upgrade.

The "solution" that Big Tech is pushing us all into is to subscribe to everything...  so you end up paying a hefty monthly bill (if you have multiple computers and applications).

The alternative is, perhaps, to own just one PC that is bang up to date for secure, "official" work...   -  and be OK with owning several older ones as well,  that work fine for various hobby purposes?

The older hardware thing is a serious issue, it's easy for people to say "just buy new hardware" and that might be reasonable for mice, joysticks, webcams and stuff like that but there is a lot of stuff where that is not reasonable at all. There is test equipment that costs thousands of dollars to replace. My partner has a fancy Bernina sewing and embroidery machine that cost around $5k, about $5k worth of assorted accessories and add-ons for it and another $5k or so worth of software, all of it originally purchased by my grandmother around 16 years ago. For a long time we couldn't even use the software because the hardware lock had gone missing in the process of going through my grandma's estate. Finally just recently I found an old parallel port dongle in a box of random stuff my dad had and discovered that it works with one of the versions of the software we have. Fortunately there was also a 2005 era laptop running Windows XP with a real parallel port on it so now that machine is dedicated to the embroidery stuff. Replacing everything with modern hardware that works with a modern OS would be at least a $10k investment, that's a steep price to pay for hobby toys to replace existing hardware that still works just because progress marches on.

That would still be cheaper than subscribing in the long run though.


I have a nice Focusrite audio interface (on Firewire). Support is broken starting with some build of Windows 10 (I use it on 7 for now...) Let alone Windows 11. Trashing the interface would make absolutely no sense. Especially just for switching to an OS that, apart from being "up to date", would have almost everything to annoy the hell out of me. Hello?

But... I didn't try so far, but it should be supported by ALSA on Linux. So... that will be yet another reason to switch to Linux when Windows stops being usable for me.


--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on July 22, 2021, 12:08:44 pm ---I always wonder why people 'worry' about supposed "Support Endings" !!
There's still numerous people still using Win-7, and are perfectly happy with it, considering their individual 'needs'   :-+
No more support??... great!!... No more forced nagging downloads/upgrades for an older system to constantly churn over!!

--- End quote ---

I have been using TurboTax software for years, renewing it every year.
(There is an old accountants' axiom that tax law changes will always obsolete last year's tax software.)
In 2020, my old Windows 7 laptop was dying (the famous Toshiba overheating problem), so I upgraded to a Windows 10 machine.  This was fortunate, since the TurboTax software for tax year 2020 no longer runs on W7, but ran on my new W10 machine.  This is a real problem for "support endings", even with non-MS software.


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