Windows 7 vs Windows 10??

[Jeroen3]

To be fair. I'm using windows 10 for a few months now. And they do learn, although slowly.

I've installed it by decrapifying in the audit mode, this gets you rid of all the recurring UWP apps.
The pro version allows you to delay feature updates for a year, so the "october update deletes your files" will probably go by me. And also patches can be delayed a month.
You still can only delay the inevitable rebooting for a maximum of 7 days though. So Windows 10, even LTSC which replaces embedded, is unsuitable for 24/7 operation!
Windows MUST HAVE a reboot once a month. There is only one other scenario I can think of that requires this, bugs.

Anyway, for a workstation this is fine.

Windows 10 still hides common settings in this ridiculous tablet mode. Getting to the network adapter overview is a pita, so much for many similar things.
The lack of decent shell inhibits effective productivity and is imho just a job creator.
However, they do try with powershell, but it's still not finished or the wrong time. As always with Microsoft products. Their product is wrong or they are doing it at the wrong time.

I wonder if the server product line is just as bad...

[james_s]

In my very limited experience administering Windows servers, the server versions of the OS are much better. They still have the fugly UI but that doesn't really matter for a server and you can do most of the administration via powershell now. I can't think of many reasons to run a Windows server anymore though, and outside of Microsoft itself, *nix experience is far more valuable on the job market. Most tech companies are all Linux on the back end these days.

[SilverSolder]

[...] I wonder if the [Microsoft] server product line is just as bad...

Server 2003 is actually quite good! 

[LeonR]

I'm experiencing a weird thing on my Win 10 (that didn't happened back when I had 7): Sometimes my mouse cursor freezes for half a second or so, randomly and not linked to high RAM or CPU usage. I suspected it being a disk issue but even after changing my OS disk (upgraded my OS SSD, 256GB -> 500GB) it persists. It happens maybe twice a day. Haven't tried a fresh install though.

[Jeroen3]

Sounds like some driver spends too much time in an ISR.

[dzseki]

I'm experiencing a weird thing on my Win 10 (that didn't happened back when I had 7): Sometimes my mouse cursor freezes for half a second or so, randomly and not linked to high RAM or CPU usage. I suspected it being a disk issue but even after changing my OS disk (upgraded my OS SSD, 256GB -> 500GB) it persists. It happens maybe twice a day. Haven't tried a fresh install though.

Windows 10 can do funny things. On my laptop the scrolling does not work in EDGE, but everywhere else yes. This was a problem last time in Windows 95...

[SilverSolder]

I'm experiencing a weird thing on my Win 10 (that didn't happened back when I had 7): Sometimes my mouse cursor freezes for half a second or so, randomly and not linked to high RAM or CPU usage. I suspected it being a disk issue but even after changing my OS disk (upgraded my OS SSD, 256GB -> 500GB) it persists. It happens maybe twice a day. Haven't tried a fresh install though.

I have seen similar things in Win7.  In my case, it was a tray application that was misbehaving and blocking the whole PC intermittently.

Perhaps try stripping the system down by switching applications and services off one by one, until the problem stops - to identify the culprit.

[NorthGuy]

Perhaps try stripping the system down by switching applications and services off one by one, until the problem stops - to identify the culprit.

Cannot do it in Windows 10. Whatever you turn off, will automatically turn back on

[SiliconWizard]

Perhaps try stripping the system down by switching applications and services off one by one, until the problem stops - to identify the culprit.

Cannot do it in Windows 10. Whatever you turn off, will automatically turn back on

A bit like a bad virus.
 

[LeonR]

Seems like disabling C-States did the trick. I suspected it was a power management thing because it happened mostly when switching applications. I already had High Performance as my default power plan. Power consumption seem pretty OK with just SpeedStep turned on, at least by the wattage and temp readings that CoreTemp/PPM Panel show. Temps are just 6ºC above ambient on idle/low usage.

Had LatencyMon running and it didn't find anything weird, aisde from the occasional higher usage from DirectX/nVidia kernel drivers. The latter topped at ~1ms and the first at ~300us.

For a "cleaner" system I used ShutUp10, by O&O Software. Just went with the default optimizations it suggests (that are already many). I just have the nVidia control panel outside Windows default stuff. I like my main desktop to be as clean as possible of resident software.

[SilverSolder]

^Winner, winner, chicken dinner!   

[langwadt]

Windows Subsystem for Linux works great

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10

[james_s]

WSL is useless when you already have Linux machines and if you really want Windows bare metal you can run a proper Linux distro in a VM rather than use the WSL hack.

[langwadt]

WSL is useless when you already have Linux machines and if you really want Windows bare metal you can run a proper Linux distro in a VM rather than use the WSL hack.

why is it useless if you already have linux machines? what major thing can a "proper Linux distro in a VM" do the WSL can't?

[BravoV]

Perhaps try stripping the system down by switching applications and services off one by one, until the problem stops - to identify the culprit.

Cannot do it in Windows 10. Whatever you turn off, will automatically turn back on

A bit like a bad virus.
 

Also its now becoming ransomware, and own and take full control completely your PC, if its not constantly connected to the mother ship in Redmond. 

 -> Windows 10 users fume: Microsoft, where's our 'local account' option gone?

[Black Phoenix]

Also its now becoming ransomware, and own and take full control completely your PC, if its not constantly connected to the mother ship in Redmond. 

 -> Windows 10 users fume: Microsoft, where's our 'local account' option gone?

Keep putting nails in the coffin Microsoft. Go on, I dare you. 

Of course it was expected when they announced on the release of Windows 10 to be free to install for 1 year, including updates from cracked Windows 7/8/8.1 (specially the ones who used local VLK activation). When its free, then the product is the user.

[james_s]

WSL is useless when you already have Linux machines and if you really want Windows bare metal you can run a proper Linux distro in a VM rather than use the WSL hack.

why is it useless if you already have linux machines? what major thing can a "proper Linux distro in a VM" do the WSL can't?

It's redundant, and it's a subset of Linux, a Linux distro in a VM is the real deal, you can have the entire graphical environment if you want, I've found no reason to want to run Linux software under Windows, Windows is the problem, the thing I've been working slowly to escape from for years.

[langwadt]

WSL is useless when you already have Linux machines and if you really want Windows bare metal you can run a proper Linux distro in a VM rather than use the WSL hack.

why is it useless if you already have linux machines? what major thing can a "proper Linux distro in a VM" do the WSL can't?

It's redundant, and it's a subset of Linux, a Linux distro in a VM is the real deal, you can have the entire graphical environment if you want, I've found no reason to want to run Linux software under Windows, Windows is the problem, the thing I've been working slowly to escape from for years.

so it is more of a religious thing like being vegan?

a computer doesn't become redundant because you have another computer. As for being a subset, can you give some examples that makes a difference? everything including graphics seems to work the same as any other linux machine 

[james_s]

What are you even talking about? There's nothing religious about it, WSL is redundant because I can already run a full Linux distro under Windows if I really want to. If I'm going to use Linux anyway then why put up with the hassles of Windows? I don't mind that WSL is there, it just does not seem like a compelling feature, I cannot figure out what it offers over what I already have. I run Windows only because I have a significant amount of software that requires Windows, I cannot think of any other reason to run that OS. If I'm going to use Linux software I can just run it on Linux and not have Windows making my blood pressure rise.

[NorthGuy]

People don't switch to Linux because they miss Linux command line in Windows 10. They switch to Linux to get rid of the rest of Windows 10.

[nigelwright7557]

As a normal user Windows 10 does the job. You can block/delay updates if you like.

I had to connect two computers using a LAN.
There are bits and pieces all over the place in Win10 that need setting up to get it to work.
In this case Windows 10 is the worst software I have ever seen, very user unfriendly.
It seems like it was designed for techs to use, not normal users.

I got Win10 when it first came out and it was a bit unstable for a while but is much better now.
I have reinstalled Win10 about 10 times due to unrecoverable problems.

[james_s]

Meanwhile my Win7 laptop has been humming right along since I bought it in 2015. My Linux machines have also just worked, never had to reinstall any one of them, networking and file sharing works fine on all of them, I'm even able to access my Samba shared folders from Windows and my employer issued Macbook. I haven't experienced an unrecoverable problem requiring re-installing since Windows 2000. That was generally a solid OS but it did break on me a couple of time.

[SilverSolder]

^I have Win 7 on all my PCs (about 7 of them), and it "just works"^TM.

I also have several old but good printers, which most likely are not supported in Windows 10.

I have hundreds of applications collected over the years, some of which most likely won't work well in Windows 10.

I have a big problem with all the surveillance capitalism going on,  I don't like entrusting my digital life to the cloud, and I don't like paying monthly for things that rightfully should be bought outright.

If I felt more comfortable about the above issues, I would have upgraded to Windows 10 a long time ago.

[SiliconWizard]

Meanwhile my Win7 laptop has been humming right along since I bought it in 2015.

The Win7 install on my main workstation actually dates back to... 2009. I've of course upgraded the hardware several times since then, cloned the OS on different hard drives (and then, SSD), but without ever re-installing it! The machine itself has little to do with what it was when I installed the OS, but never had any issue when upgrading hardware (several times, I think it has seen 3 generations of Core i7 processors, a different motherboard for each, several HDDs/SSDs, several different graphics cards...) But it works fine to this day.

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