Windows is up to date. You must update windows.

[DimitriP]

Taken from https://redmondmag.com/blogs/scott-bekker/2019/01/windows-10-microsofts-forever-os.aspx

On one hand :

Windows 10 was famously called "the last version of Windows" by Microsoft developer evangelist Jerry Nixon. A better way to think of it may be as the "forever version of Windows."

On the other hand ...

It's all very clear and makes total sense in pure Microsoft fashion:

[SiliconWizard]

 

[magic]

It's kinda the opposite of web browsers

[SiliconWizard]

Forever OS... I'd say you're forever screwed with it, yes.

As to web browsers, the whole thing with versions is actually more similar than it appears. Like, Mozilla has suddenly switched (I don't remember the exact date, that was quite a while ago) from a traditional versioning to a versioning that makes no sense anymore (major versions are definitely not incremented when major features are added now ), mainly to compete with other browsers (namely Chrome I think, which already had inflated version numbers?). Like, so there, my version is bigger than yours.  I'm not even kidding. Apparently having a lower version number would make people think that the product is inferior or something.

But ultimately, it's just the same bullshit. Version numbers are now just used as a marketing tool. I guess MS had no problem switching to a "forever" version 10 (well, until they change their mind ), because the main competitor on the desktop, MacOS, was also at number 10 (X) and hasn't increased it in a long time now. Had Apple decided to release a MacOS XI, XII, or XX, I'm pretty sure MS would have thought about the versioning thing a bit more. But Windows still has "major updates" (although they are certainly less major than a typical new OS version). They just use the build number now to make them remembered (and usually they ARE remembered by how much they screw up). What a change!

[chickenHeadKnob]

To borrow  a phrase from forum member coppercone, Windows has officially become a "Troll product".
I guess you could say it was one for a long time already, but now they are admitting it.

[Halcyon]

On one hand :

Windows 10 was famously called "the last version of Windows" by Microsoft developer evangelist Jerry Nixon. A better way to think of it may be as the "forever version of Windows."

I think they mean Windows 10 is the last version of Windows people will ever use before they ditch it entirely in favour of Linux because of how terrible Windows has become.

[Daixiwen]

They are just doing the same shit as before but calling all versions of Windows "Windows 10" 

And now before downloading a 8Gb development environement you will have to find out if it is compatible with the latest Windows 10 1909 or if you need to go back to Windows 10 1803

The next few years will be fun! 

[BravoV]

Once you W10-ed ... your soul belong to MS. 

Like a food, it will rot once its time. 

-> When will you get the next version of Windows 10?

[magic]

Version numbers aren't even date codes but look like they might be

This is ludicrous

[Daixiwen]

It looks like they wanted to copy the Ubuntu release numbers without understanding what they mean 

[ebclr]

"And now before downloading a 8Gb development environement you will have to find out if it is compatible with the latest Windows 10 1909 or if you need to go back to Windows 10 1803"

This isn't Linux is windows, the Developer environment will work even on Windows XP 

[Daixiwen]

You have obviously never used a high quality development environment like Quartus. They have had compatibility issues with almost every new version of Windows, sometimes even with just service packs, and they often remove compatibility with older versions of Windows (Quartus 19.1 Standard is not even supporting Windows 7). And I was optimistic with my 8Gb, it now requires 40 Gb 

It's in fact a lot more stable with Linux

[SiliconWizard]

And I was optimistic with my 8Gb, it now requires 40 Gb 

Yep. Dev environments for FPGAs are getting ming-boggingly HUGE. Sure FPGAs are complex beasts and some environments actually support a large number of different models, but what can you reasonably fit in 40GB? This is an enormous amount of data. I'd be willing to bet that 80% of that is just byproduct waste (using gigantic software frameworks, etc.)

[Electro Detective]

..and all this time I thought those numbers were Win 10 BETA Build IDs    

well, they do sort of perform like it 

[Ed.Kloonk]

On one hand :

Windows 10 was famously called "the last version of Windows" by Microsoft developer evangelist Jerry Nixon. A better way to think of it may be as the "forever version of Windows."

I think they mean Windows 10 is the last version of Windows people will ever use before they ditch it entirely in favour of Linux because of how terrible Windows has become.

I hoped this would happen with the release of WinME. Then, I thought, with the release of Vista, surely, people will ditch it. Then Win8 came out..

And here we are.

[james_s]

Forever OS... I'd say you're forever screwed with it, yes.

As to web browsers, the whole thing with versions is actually more similar than it appears. Like, Mozilla has suddenly switched (I don't remember the exact date, that was quite a while ago) from a traditional versioning to a versioning that makes no sense anymore (major versions are definitely not incremented when major features are added now ), mainly to compete with other browsers (namely Chrome I think, which already had inflated version numbers?). Like, so there, my version is bigger than yours.  I'm not even kidding. Apparently having a lower version number would make people think that the product is inferior or something.

This drives me absolutely nuts. Software version numbers were carefully crafted to make it simple to identify major releases and minor updates and this process worked perfectly for many years. Then suddenly someone decided to throw this all out the window and now nobody has any idea what version is what aside from whether it's the latest or not, which I suppose is what the software companies want. I hate it though, a distinct point in the lifecycle of virtually all software is where it matures and then they start screwing with it and inevitably ruin it, happens to everything sooner or later. Either that nice simple, elegant program becomes enormously bloated and unbearably slow, or they change the whole UI around and lose useful features.

[Ed.Kloonk]

Forever OS... I'd say you're forever screwed with it, yes.

As to web browsers, the whole thing with versions is actually more similar than it appears. Like, Mozilla has suddenly switched (I don't remember the exact date, that was quite a while ago) from a traditional versioning to a versioning that makes no sense anymore (major versions are definitely not incremented when major features are added now ), mainly to compete with other browsers (namely Chrome I think, which already had inflated version numbers?). Like, so there, my version is bigger than yours.  I'm not even kidding. Apparently having a lower version number would make people think that the product is inferior or something.

This drives me absolutely nuts. Software version numbers were carefully crafted to make it simple to identify major releases and minor updates and this process worked perfectly for many years. Then suddenly someone decided to throw this all out the window and now nobody has any idea what version is what aside from whether it's the latest or not, which I suppose is what the software companies want. I hate it though, a distinct point in the lifecycle of virtually all software is where it matures and then they start screwing with it and inevitably ruin it, happens to everything sooner or later. Either that nice simple, elegant program becomes enormously bloated and unbearably slow, or they change the whole UI around and lose useful features.

LOL

Where I come from a 'do one thing and do it well' program can sit on v0.999 for years and it's developer wont kick it over the line.

[Bud]

This drives me absolutely nuts. Software version numbers were carefully crafted to make it simple to identify major releases and minor updates and this process worked perfectly for many years. Then suddenly someone decided to throw this all out the window

It is the reality that many do not realize that it all is at the mercy of top executives and their level of insanity. Just one idiot is all it takes and the company will be turned around, no matter if and what technology policies existed. Just because he/she felt like that one morning or a fellow CEO from another company told him how great it is.

[Electro Detective]

On one hand :

Windows 10 was famously called "the last version of Windows" by Microsoft developer evangelist Jerry Nixon. A better way to think of it may be as the "forever version of Windows."

I think they mean Windows 10 is the last version of Windows people will ever use before they ditch it entirely in favour of Linux because of how terrible Windows has become.

I hoped this would happen with the release of WinME. Then, I thought, with the release of Vista, surely, people will ditch it. Then Win8 came out..

And here we are.

Sorry mate, Win 7 came out after Vista

In fairness to MS, Windows 2000 was a great relief from the Win ME/98/NT period,
as was XP once the service packs came out and hardware drivers for it.

Vista was a fiasco, but remedied with service pack 1 and 2,

and luckily Win 7 came out to un-Vistafy MS lost faithers 

Win 8 is ok-ish and Win 8.1 is miles better than Win 10 FOREVER BETA

EMMV   



 

[Ed.Kloonk]

On one hand :

Windows 10 was famously called "the last version of Windows" by Microsoft developer evangelist Jerry Nixon. A better way to think of it may be as the "forever version of Windows."

I think they mean Windows 10 is the last version of Windows people will ever use before they ditch it entirely in favour of Linux because of how terrible Windows has become.

I hoped this would happen with the release of WinME. Then, I thought, with the release of Vista, surely, people will ditch it. Then Win8 came out..

And here we are.

Sorry mate, Win 7 came out after Vista

In fairness to MS, Windows 2000 was a great relief from the Win ME/98/NT period,
as was XP once the service packs came out and hardware drivers for it.

Vista was a fiasco, but remedied with service pack 1 and 2,

and luckily Win 7 came out to un-Vistafy MS lost faithers 

Win 8 is ok-ish and Win 8.1 is miles better than Win 10 FOREVER BETA

EMMV   

It's like having a nasty case of the herpes. Keeps coming back.

[Electro Detective]

Windows spin from the past "Where do you want to go today?"    


Fast Forward 2020:

Windows 10: "Listen up m0f0, forget the Where do YOU want to go today? s**t, that's like way over, gone, nada..
yo ma b!tch now and yoll goes where an whens I sez..you feel me bro?!"

Noob B!tch: "hey ok    i just wanted to check for security updates before I use it,
I wasn't aware Windows is now a Thug OS" 

Windows 10: "Say what..?!! 


                                                                                 



                                                                                                       [  BSOD ]   

[cliffyk]

I heard they (Microsoft) wre going to combine code from CE, ME an NT for the next version--Windows CEMENT; it's supposed to be quite stable.

BTW, MIcro means "small" and soft means "not hard"--So Microsoft = "Small and Not Hard"...

[Ed.Kloonk]

I heard they (Microsoft) wre going to combine code from CE, ME an NT for the next version--Windows CEMENT; it's supposed to be quite stable.

Lets hope it sinks like a stone.

BTW, MIcro means "small" and soft means "not hard"--So Microsoft = "Small and Not Hard"...

Ha!

[james_s]

Sorry mate, Win 7 came out after Vista

In fairness to MS, Windows 2000 was a great relief from the Win ME/98/NT period,
as was XP once the service packs came out and hardware drivers for it.

Vista was a fiasco, but remedied with service pack 1 and 2,

and luckily Win 7 came out to un-Vistafy MS lost faithers 

Win 8 is ok-ish and Win 8.1 is miles better than Win 10 FOREVER BETA

EMMV   

The biggest issue with Vista is just that hardware was not yet ready for it at the time. When Vista came out a Pentium III with 256MB-512MB of RAM and no GPU was common and Vista was a dog on that. People balked at the idea of needing 2GB of RAM and a fast GPU to have a smooth experience with the operating system and also hardware drivers were not quite ready for prime time. A few years later even low end PCs were much more powerful and having several GB of RAM was not uncommon. Drivers had matured and Vista was really not a bad OS, I know several people who are still using it daily and it's rock solid. Like numerous other products that had teething problems the damage was done and the reputation stuck long after the problems were corrected.

Windows 7 is essentially Vista 2.0 and is for the most part excellent. Win8 is when they really went off the rails and never recovered. 8 was stable enough, the back end was quite good, but the UI was and still is a complete train wreck, it was a massive regression that felt like stepping back in time 15 years, the bland flat UI resembling graphical DOS applications and very early versions of Windows on 16 color VGA.

[SiliconWizard]

The biggest issue with Vista is just that hardware was not yet ready for it at the time. When Vista came out a Pentium III with 256MB-512MB of RAM and no GPU was common and Vista was a dog on that. People balked at the idea of needing 2GB of RAM and a fast GPU to have a smooth experience with the operating system and also hardware drivers were not quite ready for prime time. A few years later even low end PCs were much more powerful and having several GB of RAM was not uncommon. Drivers had matured and Vista was really not a bad OS, I know several people who are still using it daily and it's rock solid. Like numerous other products that had teething problems the damage was done and the reputation stuck long after the problems were corrected.

Yeah, I never installed Vista on one of my own machines, but got to use it on some work laptop at the time. The laptop was brand new and came with Vista, I think it had 2GB RAM. Ran fine, never had a single issue with it. People were probably not ready for the gap in resource requirements. Note that now MS is actively suggesting people to buy a new computer to upgrade to Windows 10, so times have changed.

Windows 7 is essentially Vista 2.0 and is for the most part excellent. Win8 is when they really went off the rails and never recovered. 8 was stable enough, the back end was quite good, but the UI was and still is a complete train wreck, it was a massive regression that felt like stepping back in time 15 years, the bland flat UI resembling graphical DOS applications and very early versions of Windows on 16 color VGA.

Yep, agreed. This whole new UI came straight from their Windows phone experiments, and they just didn't succeed in getting it right. They just tried to jump on the whole flat design bandwagon that was trendy at the time. I never much liked flat design, but I admit some have done a pretty good job with it. MS didn't.

As I think Steve Jobs once said about MS, they write great software but they just have no taste. I think it's ultimately really a core problem. It's a cultural company fault. It's almost as though the greater UI design that happened at MS kinda happened by accident.