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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #225 on: May 21, 2019, 10:18:26 am »
I'll check tonight (name of the firmware file doesn't correspond 1 to 1 with what's written on the system info page)
but it should be this one http://old.siglentamerica.com/USA_website_2014/Firmware&Software/firmware/SDS5000X_0.8.0R1B5_EN.zip
(from http://siglent.com/ENs/gjjrj.aspx?id=15)
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #226 on: May 21, 2019, 10:24:01 am »
According to my sources the SDS5000 firmware is currently at version 0.8-ish.

The one I looked into had FW v4.6.0.8.0R1B5.
Then it is a) weird people talk about .8-ish and b) not in Beta stage like I assumed? Or does B5 indicate it is a Beta version?

I believe member RF-loop  explained some time ago that full string consists of boot loader part (4.6. part) and software ver part( 0.8.0R1B5.)
Boot loader part would be partially connected with mainboard hardware revision probably....
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #227 on: May 21, 2019, 10:24:17 am »
According to my sources the SDS5000 firmware is currently at version 0.8-ish.

The one I looked into had FW v4.6.0.8.0R1B5.
Then it is a) weird people talk about .8-ish and b) not in Beta stage like I assumed? Or does B5 indicate it is a Beta version?

Nico,

Don't know the answer...

What I saw was:

 <Manufacturer>SIGLENT TECHNOLOGIES</Manufacturer>
 <Model>SDS5104X</Model>
 <SerialNumber>SDS5X..........</SerialNumber>
 <FirmwareRevision>4.6.0.8.0R1B5</FirmwareRevision>
 <ManufacturerDescription>SDS5X............</ManufacturerDescription>
 <HomepageURL>http://www.Siglent.com</HomepageURL>
 <DriverURL>http://www.Siglent.com</DriverURL>
 <UserDescription>SIGLENT TECHNOLOGIES SMU</UserDescription>
 <IdentificationURL>http://169.254.32.14/lxi/identification</IdentificationURL>
 <Interface xsi:type="NetworkInformation" InterfaceType="LXI" IPType="IPv4" InterfaceName="et0">
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #228 on: May 21, 2019, 11:00:17 am »
I believe member RF-loop  explained some time ago that full string consists of boot loader part (4.6. part) and software ver part( 0.8.0R1B5.)
Boot loader part would be partially connected with mainboard hardware revision probably....


makes sense, at some point they have changed the first number on the 1000X-E, the actual firmware was the same
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #229 on: May 21, 2019, 11:45:10 am »
Very first impressions before this SDS5034X must go to my customer.  :(

Big display, the same physical size as those used for SSA and SVA models.
Super quiet fan that make some little noise when booting but slows to nearly inaudible before boot has finished.
SDS5034X (350 MHz) comes with 10x auto-sense SP3050A 500 MHz probes.
They have 1x LF and 2x HF compensation adjustments in the BNC box and with the normal accessories like a spare needle tip, probe to BNC adapter and ground spring.
https://siglentna-qwavztc8hvq2w.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/SP3025A_3050A_Users_Guide.pdf

The scope is a joy and simple to use, front panel layout is good and intuitive.
Knobs are rubber coated like we've seen in SDS2000X models.
Touch display works just fine even through the factory screen protector tear-off and can be toggled ON or OFF.
Rear VGA ports to an external monitor perfectly with zero visible latency.
The current factory firmware is 0.8.2R1 The full string from the webserver info is: 4.6.0.8.2R1
SN# indication: SDS5XDAD2R0***

Some meaningless play screenshots.
Ch4 1 MHz 1V p-p from SDG1032X for probe HF adjustments*. (*SDG1032X risetime marginal)
Connection via BNC adapter to SP3050A 10x probe.

Ch1 500 MHz 0dBm from SSG3021X
Connection: Siglent 6 GHz rated N-N cable with unknown N-BNC adapter.






One thing is quite an improvement on other/older Siglent models is the Zoom display proportioning.
This shot shows a much improved ratio of the un-zoomed and zoomed working area.


« Last Edit: May 22, 2019, 07:46:58 am by tautech »
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #230 on: May 21, 2019, 12:56:10 pm »
I once munged-up a thread on this board by posting a png that was really a bmp or something like that.  Ensure that the uploaded images aren't corrupt/improper format.
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #231 on: May 21, 2019, 01:37:07 pm »
It seems tautech did a DoS attack to the thread...  ;D
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #232 on: May 21, 2019, 02:49:24 pm »
Quite simply the image you are attempting to attach is broken/invalid and the forum is crashing out trying to load it to generate a thumbnail.

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geoff@aeryn:~/Downloads# pngcheck a.png
a.png  CRC error in chunk IDAT (computed dade6bff, expected 00000000)
ERROR: a.png

Please do not try to attach this image again, it is clearly corrupted.

Attached a test PNG image to this post to show that attachments are working fine.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2019, 02:52:22 pm by gnif »
 
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #233 on: May 21, 2019, 03:06:53 pm »
* I've had issues with corrupted PNGs generated by the scope saved to USB *
but it's not an issue with the scope per se.
Basically, wait a few more seconds before ejecting, or you'll have corrupted files / corrupted filesystem. Windows can render the image (it may show noise on corrupted areas) but other systems are not very happy..
I happens quite a lot with me, linux and > 8GB pen drives.
I've suggested they add an unmount button.
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #234 on: May 21, 2019, 03:08:36 pm »
Quite simply the image you are attempting to attach is broken/invalid and the forum is crashing out trying to load it to generate a thumbnail.

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geoff@aeryn:~/Downloads# pngcheck a.png
a.png  CRC error in chunk IDAT (computed dade6bff, expected 00000000)
ERROR: a.png

Please do not try to attach this image again, it is clearly corrupted.

Attached a test PNG image to this post to show that attachments are working fine.
agh, so close to deadbeef
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #235 on: May 21, 2019, 03:09:45 pm »
Yep, the test went OK.

Probably they aren't doing the sync (flush) command after save and the last PNG becomes incomplete.

If the USB standard was correctly implemented a USB removable drive doesn't require an explicit unmount from the user.

I bet this is one of the consequences of the way the USB disks can be used in this equipment...  ::)
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #236 on: May 21, 2019, 03:13:09 pm »
Yeah, could be a write cache enabled. Note that even Win10 now disabled the write cache for USB devices by default to avoid problems like that.
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #237 on: May 21, 2019, 03:59:54 pm »
Quite simply the image you are attempting to attach is broken/invalid and the forum is crashing out trying to load it to generate a thumbnail.
Code: [Select]
geoff@aeryn:~/Downloads# pngcheck a.png
a.png  CRC error in chunk IDAT (computed dade6bff, expected 00000000)
ERROR: a.png
I guess that is another SDS5000 firmware bug  >:D
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #238 on: May 21, 2019, 05:19:16 pm »
Thank you Performa01 and 2N3055.
I was a bit overexcited by the R&S promotion.

Im still young and I still make unreasonable choices.
R&S is for me like Ferrari....you know, one day maybe ?!

But on paper there is no competition between SDS5000X and RTB2000.
The RTM3000 is out of my budget.

I have a SDS2204X and im pretty happy with it but there is still few bugs I had to report te Siglent.
The SDS5000X has everything I need ( or everything the SDS2000X miss ? ), 350Mhz is enough for me 95% of the time but 500Mhz will be a nice feature.
It is not a bad idea from Siglent to have two different hardware and purpore a very capable scope a low cost.

If Siglent introduce a 25-30% discount like it is for the SDS2000x currently, I will buy one right know !
Nobody wants to buy my SDS2204X, it seems that it is not easy to sell an oscilloscope like this one  :-\

I think I have to take a subscription to the gear acquisition syndrome thread  :palm:
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #239 on: May 21, 2019, 06:07:10 pm »
Yep, the test went OK.

Probably they aren't doing the sync (flush) command after save and the last PNG becomes incomplete.

If the USB standard was correctly implemented a USB removable drive doesn't require an explicit unmount from the user.

I bet this is one of the consequences of the way the USB disks can be used in this equipment...  ::)

I don't know how things work but I think the flush is performed at time intervals, because a few more seconds and you can't get the bug, period. A < 8 GB drive and you can't get the bug, period (or maybe the flush is performed sooner so you don't have the chance to encounter it?)
In any case, i have to dig out the emails but IIRC they were pointing the finger at the linux side of things and i believe them.
i never, ever, ever ever had this issue with my mac or windows machines, only with linux machines, computers or embedded platforms.
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #240 on: May 21, 2019, 06:36:22 pm »
On that topic:

https://superuser.com/questions/646232/do-usb-memory-sticks-have-controller-and-disk-cache-on-board

Like Jportici said, it would be nice to have remove (unmount) function.
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #241 on: May 21, 2019, 06:42:07 pm »
I'd expect that a file is written when the notification on the screen of a piece of test equipment dissapears. Perhaps Siglent should disable write caching on removable media if that isn't the case.

@Jportici: I have had my fair share of Windows problems with USB sticks as well if I don't 'eject' them first. It depends on some setting in Windows and it isn't a given it is set correctly for removable media.
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #242 on: May 21, 2019, 08:00:20 pm »
So, it's not an easy question but Siglent has a bug/lack of feature.

I saw one of tautech .PNGs and the tail of the file was not missing. It's was there but it was all 00s. This is a different thing from being truncated. But it could have been added when the file pen was re-inserted back in the PC...

JPortici, I don't recall people reporting this problem in the SDS X-E

2 things are certain:

- Siglent must address this theme
- Dave / other admins must protect the forum servers against this .PNG "bug" since it can be used to attack the forum's security.
 
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #243 on: May 21, 2019, 09:18:23 pm »
I believe member RF-loop  explained some time ago that full string consists of boot loader part (4.6. part) and software ver part( 0.8.0R1B5.)
Boot loader part would be partially connected with mainboard hardware revision probably....

I've rechecked in System Status. The FW version format is like this:

Uboot-OS Version: 4.6
Software Version: 0.8.0R1B5
 
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #244 on: May 21, 2019, 09:24:44 pm »
On this .png issue, yes maybe I did not allow enough time for the scope to finish writing to the stick and in this case it was a stick without 'busy' LED indication that I much rather prefer.
So today there will be experiments to find the cause of this bad inconvenience to the forum and it might just be to use another USB stick.
Thanks to all that have helped.  :clap:

I believe member RF-loop  explained some time ago that full string consists of boot loader part (4.6. part) and software ver part( 0.8.0R1B5.)
Boot loader part would be partially connected with mainboard hardware revision probably....

I've rechecked in System Status. The FW version format is like this:

Uboot-OS Version: 4.6
Software Version: 0.8.0R1B5

This scope I have has later SW and a reply from Dave in another thread confirms the SDS5104X he has also has this newer version.
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #245 on: May 21, 2019, 10:44:46 pm »
On this .png issue, yes maybe I did not allow enough time for the scope to finish writing to the stick and in this case it was a stick without 'busy' LED indication that I much rather prefer.
So today there will be experiments to find the cause of this bad inconvenience to the forum and it might just be to use another USB stick.
Thanks to all that have helped.  :clap:
Previous post is now repaired and with new png screenshots.  :phew:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/at-last-siglent_s-sds5054x-touchscreen/msg2426481/#msg2426481
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #246 on: May 21, 2019, 11:52:55 pm »
More checks.....
Noise floor
50 Ohm BNC terminator connected.
Full mem depth selected.
Various timebase and BW settings @ 500uV/div sensitivity
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #247 on: May 21, 2019, 11:59:25 pm »
Is it correct to assume that the bandwidth limit can't be deactivated for <= 2.45 mV/div (for 500MHz and 1GHz models)?
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #248 on: May 22, 2019, 01:19:57 am »
Is it correct to assume that the bandwidth limit can't be deactivated for <= 2.45 mV/div (for 500MHz and 1GHz models)?
We can only refer to the ** in P8 of the datasheet where it's specified for all models.
https://www.siglenteu.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2019/01/SDS5000X_Datasheet_DS0105X_E01D.pdf

However there would seem to be no automatic indication of this should you study the screenshots above.
Only B or b are indicated in the channel tab if either one of the BW limits are manually selected despite the screenshots being taken at the max sensitivity of 500uV/div.

So yes, if auto BW limiting is used automatically at higher sensitives there must indeed be BW limit indicators for the operator.
Reported to Siglent for clarification.
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #249 on: May 22, 2019, 08:54:06 am »
A little look a simple decoding with current firmware.

I2C  STB-3 source

List default start position is the first packet decoded rather than the first after the trigger.
This is evident with reference to the timestamp.



The new SDS5000X display Zoom proportioning allows for better visibility of signal fidelity while still providing Decode results without overlaying the list over waveform information.
Here the list is 100 packets where mid-list #50 is first after the trigger as again is evident from the timestamp.

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