new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004

[JoHr]

Hack the Beeper!!!

[nctnico]

Nyanscope! Excuse poor cat drawing skills.

Getting the solid pink block was tricky - the annotation only stores a finite number of blobs - if you keep drawing, earlier stuff disappears. Had do do something nasty using a reference waveform.

Pity the ARB only has one channel - could have done sound as well with 2!

Naahhh it's cool enough as it is!  Had a good laugh about it!

[ws2812b]

Why hack? If it follows the logic of the other R&S Scopes it should be

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SYSTem:BEEPer[:IMMediate]
Generates an immediate beep.
see: https://cdn.rohde-schwarz.com/pws/dl_downloads/dl_common_library/dl_manuals/gb_1/h/hmo1002_1202/HMO1002_1202_SCPI_ProgrammersManual_en_01.pdf page  206

could you try this mike?

[mikeselectricstuff]

Why hack? If it follows the logic of the other R&S Scopes it should be

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SYSTem:BEEPer[:IMMediate]
Generates an immediate beep.
see: https://cdn.rohde-schwarz.com/pws/dl_downloads/dl_common_library/dl_manuals/gb_1/h/hmo1002_1202/HMO1002_1202_SCPI_ProgrammersManual_en_01.pdf page  206

could you try this mike?

It beeps (rather quietly) but no pitch control

[thanasisk]

I have two units, one to giveaway!

BTW, I'm told that the launch deal on this scope is limited to 300 scopes in each market segment (US, Asia, Europe), so you'd better get in quick before the universities scoop them up.

Stil waiting for the launch in Europe... so far cannot find any such deal (R&S Benelux have never even replied to my email, it has been one week!)

[EEVblog]

1. ok we understand that a full RTB2000 review is too much for Dave for doing it right now. 2. On the other side the RTB2000 has some features many users are waiting for since the invention of the DSO

How can this discrepancy be solved?

I drop everything else I have going on, including the two other scopes that came before this one that everyone is waiting for too.

[JPortici]

I have two units, one to giveaway!

the ride never ends           

[JoHr]

Why hack? If it follows the logic of the other R&S Scopes it should be

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SYSTem:BEEPer[:IMMediate]
Generates an immediate beep.
see: https://cdn.rohde-schwarz.com/pws/dl_downloads/dl_common_library/dl_manuals/gb_1/h/hmo1002_1202/HMO1002_1202_SCPI_ProgrammersManual_en_01.pdf page  206

could you try this mike?

It beeps (rather quietly) but no pitch control

... is there an arb waveform available to fm-modulate a sine wave on the gen output?

[nctnico]

1. ok we understand that a full RTB2000 review is too much for Dave for doing it right now. 2. On the other side the RTB2000 has some features many users are waiting for since the invention of the DSO

How can this discrepancy be solved?

I drop everything else I have going on, including the two other scopes that came before this one that everyone is waiting for too.

Which other scopes? Given the amount of RTB2000 videos already out there doing the other scopes may be more informative.

[mikeselectricstuff]

Why hack? If it follows the logic of the other R&S Scopes it should be

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SYSTem:BEEPer[:IMMediate]
Generates an immediate beep.
see: https://cdn.rohde-schwarz.com/pws/dl_downloads/dl_common_library/dl_manuals/gb_1/h/hmo1002_1202/HMO1002_1202_SCPI_ProgrammersManual_en_01.pdf page  206

could you try this mike?

It beeps (rather quietly) but no pitch control

... is there an arb waveform available to fm-modulate a sine wave on the gen output?

Don't think you can modulate with an arb, but there are quite a few options.

[pm.llb]

Pity the ARB only has one channel - could have done sound as well with 2!

Pink cat with digestion problems flying over brand new scope screen. All in HD!
R&S could not imagine better promo :-)

Mike - full respect!

[ebastler]

How can this discrepancy be solved?

I drop everything else I have going on, including the two other scopes that came before this one that everyone is waiting for too.

No, careful! Please don't drop a scope! 

[nctnico]

How can this discrepancy be solved?

I drop everything else I have going on, including the two other scopes that came before this one that everyone is waiting for too.

No, careful! Please don't drop a scope! 

Especially if the BNCs aren't bolted to the chassis! (Sorry, couldn't resist).

[vokars]

How can this discrepancy be solved?

I drop everything else I have going on, including the two other scopes that came before this one that everyone is waiting for too.

No, careful! Please don't drop a scope! 

Especially if the BNCs aren't bolted to the chassis! (Sorry, couldn't resist).

Don't worry, these scopes have already broken through the eval 8bit wall without a scratch. Now the eval 8bit wall, that resisted for decades, will no longer disable honest engineers from looking behind the eval 8bit quantisation noise. Even two unknown 8bit scopes, that were sent to distract the attention of honest truthseeking users, will not stop their victory. Finally the 8bit wall ... has collapsed.

[EEVblog]

Which other scopes? Given the amount of RTB2000 videos already out there doing the other scopes may be more informative.

Keysight 1000X, Siglent 1000X-E, and I haven't done the Hameg or the GW Instek either. That four scopes that come before the R&S.

[mikeselectricstuff]

Which other scopes? Given the amount of RTB2000 videos already out there doing the other scopes may be more informative.

Keysight 1000X, Siglent 1000X-E, and I haven't done the Hameg or the GW Instek either. That four scopes that come before the R&S.

Sounds like a job for the new employee...

[vokars]

Which other scopes? Given the amount of RTB2000 videos already out there doing the other scopes may be more informative.

Keysight 1000X, Siglent 1000X-E, and I haven't done the Hameg or the GW Instek either. That four scopes that come before the R&S.

I also like the Keysight 1000X and the Siglent 1000X very much. On the other side: Keysight already delived a lot of videos during their scope month. I believe that the users expectations will be fulfilled with both scopes. I don't expect a sensation here.

Different with the RTB2000. The questions here is: Are we at the beginning of a new development cycle? After increasing samplerates, screensize, refreshrate and memory step by step for the last 20 years: Will vertical resolution and sensitivity be the feature, that will be improved by the vendors for the next decade step by step? What does the expanded dynamic mean for the measurement of THD, SNR,  etc.? Does the RTB2000 fulfill the expectations?

[mrpackethead]

Send it over here, i'll review it.

[nctnico]

Which other scopes? Given the amount of RTB2000 videos already out there doing the other scopes may be more informative.

Keysight 1000X, Siglent 1000X-E, and I haven't done the Hameg or the GW Instek either. That four scopes that come before the R&S.

Do the Hameg and GW Instek so you have something new to show & tell. Others have already beaten you when it comes to the other scopes.

[EEVblog]

Do the Hameg and GW Instek so you have something new to show & tell. Others have already beaten you when it comes to the other scopes.

I don't care about being beaten.

[Neganur]

Others have already beaten you when it comes to the other scopes.

No they have not, the 'reviews' were useless (for the RTB at least)!
Only Mike's showed it in actual use and you can see stuff on the screen. Dave does different things with scopes so it would still be valuable.
Also, there is quite a few people on the forum who bought the presale  and would love to get Dave's impression.



edit: quote mess  :S

[nctnico]

Others have already beaten you when it comes to the other scopes.

No they have not, the 'reviews' were useless (for the RTB at least)!
Only Mike's showed it in actual use and you can see stuff on the screen. Dave does different things with scopes so it would still be valuable.
Also, there is quite a few people on the forum who bought the presale  and would love to get Dave's impression.

Still it is zero information versus some information. I rather know more about the scopes with zero information available than the ones I've already seen in action. Mike's RTB2000 review & teardown was pretty thourough anyway and with the presale event over it is a very expensive scope.

@Dave: it is not about being beaten but I rather see something I have not seen before.

[Neganur]

Mike's RTB2000 review & teardown was pretty thourough anyway and with the presale event over it is a very expensive scope.

What are you talking about he only looked at the decoding and that was thorough, but far from all as he said himself. There is tons in the scope we haven't seen yet.

[agdr]

Speaking of things not seen yet, is anyone aware of a video review of the RTB2004 FFT posted anywhere yet?  Maybe part of one of the existing videos that I've missed. I've been using a Rigol 2000 series so there is nowhere to go  but up with the FFT, but still would love to see a review.  Especially of the RTB's FFT vs. some of these new crop of cheaper (list price) scopes coming out.

[nctnico]

Mike's RTB2000 review & teardown was pretty thourough anyway and with the presale event over it is a very expensive scope.

What are you talking about he only looked at the decoding and that was thorough, but far from all as he said himself. There is tons in the scope we haven't seen yet.

You can't do a full functional test in a review. What Mike has showed (besides decoding) is how the menu's work, how the general operation works, etc so all in all it is a good review to get an idea whether you like the way it works or not. If you are really interested in buying it then have to do more homework, get one on loan and do your own tests to see if it fits your needs.