Author Topic: New Flir products (Read 226171 times)

NathanFowler · « **Reply #350 on:** September 08, 2015, 08:49:54 pm »

Wonder if it's possible to drop a Lepton 3 to replace the Lepton 2 on the F1 Rosebud sled. I'd be curious to see if there's a software resolution restriction in place or if 160x120 would actually work out. Call me crazy but I really like the sled since it's an integrated device allowing me to carry one unit as opposed to a dongle. I only see the 80x60's on Digikey...

cynfab · « **Reply #351 on:** September 08, 2015, 09:01:39 pm »

Mine just arrived!!

In the sealed box:
Quick start & warranty card
Thank You card from Bill Terrel
microUSB cable
Spacer
Case
Lanyard

Box has a "Made for iPod" sticker inside ( I guess they ran out of Android boxes)

As expected the app doesn't recognise the camera when plugged in and turned on on my S4 mini.

It does however work ok on my Digiland $49US tablet. Updated the firmware and everything.
Frame rate on the preview is slow, but usable, will take a video & some snapshots soon...

Plugging it into my linux box lsusb -vv gives the following

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Bus 002 Device 007: ID 09cb:1996  
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
  bcdUSB               2.00
  bDeviceClass            0 (Defined at Interface level)
  bDeviceSubClass         0 
  bDeviceProtocol         0 
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  idVendor           0x09cb 
  idProduct          0x1996 
  bcdDevice            1.08
  iManufacturer           1 FLIR Systems
  iProduct                2 FLIR ONE Camera
  iSerial                 3 FLIRONEF0xxxxxxxxx
  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
    bLength                 9
    bDescriptorType         2
    wTotalLength           96
    bNumInterfaces          3
    bConfigurationValue     3
    iConfiguration          4 SBIBDP Configuration
    bmAttributes         0xc0
      Self Powered
    MaxPower                0mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           2
      bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
      bInterfaceSubClass    240 
      bInterfaceProtocol      0 
      iInterface              5 iAP Interface
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               0
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x02  EP 2 OUT
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               1
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        1
      bAlternateSetting       1
      bNumEndpoints           0
      bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
      bInterfaceSubClass    240 
      bInterfaceProtocol      1 
      iInterface              6 com.flir.rosebud.fileio
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        1
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           2
      bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
      bInterfaceSubClass    240 
      bInterfaceProtocol      1 
      iInterface              6 com.flir.rosebud.fileio
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x83  EP 3 IN
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               0
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x04  EP 4 OUT
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               1
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        2
      bAlternateSetting       1
      bNumEndpoints           0
      bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
      bInterfaceSubClass    240 
      bInterfaceProtocol      1 
      iInterface              7 com.flir.rosebud.frame
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        2
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           2
      bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
      bInterfaceSubClass    240 
      bInterfaceProtocol      1 
      iInterface              7 com.flir.rosebud.frame
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x85  EP 5 IN
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               0
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x06  EP 6 OUT
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               1
Device Qualifier (for other device speed):
  bLength                10
  bDescriptorType         6
  bcdUSB               2.00
  bDeviceClass            0 (Defined at Interface level)
  bDeviceSubClass         0 
  bDeviceProtocol         0 
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  bNumConfigurations      1
Device Status:     0x0001
  Self Powered

It works about the same with my 2012 Nexus 7.

...ken...

marshallh · « **Reply #352 on:** September 08, 2015, 11:27:46 pm »

Received, it's a letdown.
Image quality is comparable to the last one (i.e. blurfest). Can't turn off MSX, though the MSX is decent quality and adjustable. If you try to charge with anything besides a 1A charger, it actually slowly dies, presumably because the cpu running linux inside it draws more power than it can charge with.
Charged with my smartphone cable for an hour, now it will not boot under its own power.
Because of this it is not possible to upgrade the firmware.

At this point it seems the Seek is more useful and doesn't require a stupid charging system just to run its own linux-based glue logic.

in.Vitro · « **Reply #353 on:** September 09, 2015, 12:28:12 am »

Is the Image quality that bad?
As you say, the first gen was very very blurry.. :/ but they said that it has 4 times the resolution of the first generation

maybe I wait a few years when the F1 has the same resolution as the Seek but its less nosier and has manual adjustible focus....for 250$

marshallh · « **Reply #354 on:** September 09, 2015, 12:45:19 am »

FLIR ONE V2 DISASSEMBLY

Use a plastic spudger to remove the halves, which are conjoined by 4 smalll pads of adhesive.

Lift up the battery connector to unplug it.

Combo LPDDR/NAND is the bga device with the serial QR code on it.

Unscrew 3 outer security torxes and lift the pcb directly straight out.

USB/Lightning pcb is a 4pin connector that plugs into a smd header.

Unclip 2 of the translucent white assembly from the pcb.

Lift vertically to remove assy and lepton from socket.

Fraser · « **Reply #355 on:** September 09, 2015, 01:31:39 am »

I do not like the look of that screen connection mess on top of the USB plug !

I am starting to think FLIR could be playing games over the true resolution of the LEPTON 3. Having re visited all the FLIR blurb I get the definite feeling that they did not want to specify the physical pixel count. There is even comment in one pre release document saying that picture appearance is more important than resolution ! This almost appeared to say that the new LEPTON had better image manipulation 'magic'. I wonder if we are back to our old friend of cheap low resolution imaging chips. Namely interpolation.

I would comment further if I had a working unit but as mine was DoA I will have to wait to see the images on my phone.
I will do a side by side comparison of the ONE with two other 160*120 pixel cameras. If FLIR are not being totally honest about the 160*120 physical resolution I think we will spot it.

If this is smoke and mirrors marketing crap, my camera will be heading back to FLIR pronto. I still have the email confirming physical resolution as 160*120 from FLIR CS.

I should have stuck with professional thermal cameras. At least they have real specs and you can trust them !

Aurora

NathanFowler · « **Reply #356 on:** September 09, 2015, 03:02:46 am »

I find the following fairly unique -- The use of "Rosebud" (Citizen Kane, "Sled") used to describe the FLIR G2 in the kernel boot log (thanks Mike for posting) is quite interesting. At frame 0:42 to 0:43 shows the same kernel load addresses, kernel version, load addresses, etc. JFFS2 kernel image sizes differ (firmware differences?). Also appears G2 no longer has dropbear SSHd running on init/boot (firmware differences?)

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Interesting output around G1 and G2 with regard to inserting lepton.ko kernel module, would love to compare differences between the two. Equally interesting is G1 running an SSHd without an ethernet interface. Odd the G2 is reporting SPI and other verbose output not seen in G1. Again, suspect possible firmware differences?

Would love to have 'root' on the G1/G2 and start comparing the kernel modules, modinfo, etc. Very interested to hear about interpolation findings. Thanks all for the thread, very much appreciate the constant learning I have while reading these threads. All the best.

NathanFowler · « **Reply #357 on:** September 09, 2015, 03:39:58 am »

http://media.wix.com/ugd/53cdb6_9b698564a2e84af6a955078615b3a9da.pdf notates true 160x120 and a 17 to 12 micron pixel size reduction

Possibly useful

http://www.mako.co.kr/#!---/cyai

marshallh · « **Reply #358 on:** September 09, 2015, 04:32:56 am »

After putting it back together, it charges properly, and charge LED does not blink erratically. It seems the battery connector may have loosened to marginal contact during shipping.

Fraser · « **Reply #359 on:** September 09, 2015, 04:49:22 am »

I wonder if that is what is wrong with mine. I get no life out of it at all. No LED, nothing.

It's going back to FLIR though so I am loathed to mess with it. A possible weak area in the design ?

At least if we see strange behaviour when charging it will be reasonably easy to open the unit to check that connector.

Aurora

Fraser · « **Reply #360 on:** September 09, 2015, 05:02:41 am »

Maybe my X-Ray machine can see if the power connector is correctly mated in my unit. The problem will be seeing through or around the Battery. I'll take a look later.

Aurora

mikeselectricstuff · « **Reply #361 on:** September 09, 2015, 07:27:19 am »

Quote from: Aurora on September 09, 2015, 01:31:39 am

I am starting to think FLIR could be playing games over the true resolution of the LEPTON 3. Having re visited all the FLIR blurb I get the definite feeling that they did not want to specify the physical pixel count

Quote

I would comment further if I had a working unit but as mine was DoA

..well if they don't want the old one back I'd be happy to take a look inside to confirm the physical pixel count

mikeselectricstuff · « **Reply #362 on:** September 09, 2015, 07:30:56 am »

Quote from: in.Vitro on September 09, 2015, 12:28:12 am

Is the Image quality that bad?

Although I couldn't compare side to side I'd say it was better than the Seek, definitely less noise.
MSX is a big help to improve readability of image - there will be some filtering to scale up the IR image to the phone's screen resolution.

tomas123 · « **Reply #363 on:** September 09, 2015, 08:15:53 am »

Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on September 06, 2015, 02:00:28 pm

BTW just for fun I used the UsbWebCamera App to connect my E4 ub UVC mode to the phone and it works just fine - framerate and lag are not much worse than on the E4's own screen!

Certainly do you know the thread "Flir Ex: Realtime raw radiometric data streaming via UVC

It's simple, to patch the libuvc library for android to get a E4 RAW stream

Unfortunately the Flir One G2 is not a UVC camera

Quote from: cynfab on September 08, 2015, 09:01:39 pm

Plugging it into my linux box lsusb -vv gives the following
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Bus 002 Device 007: ID 09cb:1996 Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x09cb idProduct 0x1996 bcdDevice 1.08 iManufacturer 1 FLIR Systems iProduct 2 FLIR ONE Camera iSerial 3 FLIRONEF0xxxxxxxxx bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 96 bNumInterfaces 3 bConfigurationValue 3 iConfiguration 4 SBIBDP Configuration bmAttributes 0xc0 Self Powered MaxPower 0mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 240 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 5 iAP Interface Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 1 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 240 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 6 com.flir.rosebud.fileio Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 240 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 6 com.flir.rosebud.fileio Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 EP 3 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x04 EP 4 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 1 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 2 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 240 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 7 com.flir.rosebud.frame Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 2 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 240 bInterfaceProtocol 1 iInterface 7 com.flir.rosebud.frame Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x85 EP 5 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x06 EP 6 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 1 Device Qualifier (for other device speed): bLength 10 bDescriptorType 6 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 64 bNumConfigurations 1 Device Status: 0x0001 Self Powered

filtered
>grep -i interface FlirOne.txt
bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level)
bNumInterfaces 3
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 0
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 240
bInterfaceProtocol 0
iInterface 5 iAP Interface
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 1
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 240
bInterfaceProtocol 1
iInterface 6 com.flir.rosebud.fileio
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 1
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 240
bInterfaceProtocol 1
iInterface 6 com.flir.rosebud.fileio
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 2
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 240
bInterfaceProtocol 1
iInterface 7 com.flir.rosebud.frame
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 2
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 240
bInterfaceProtocol 1
iInterface 7 com.flir.rosebud.frame
bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level)

the seek camera has also a iAP Interface

The libseek library is using the first interface iAP Interface
https://github.com/zougloub/libseek

Quote from: marshallh on October 20, 2014, 09:46:25 pm

>grep -i interface seek.txt
bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level)
bNumInterfaces 2
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 0
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 240
bInterfaceProtocol 0
iInterface 3 iAP Interface
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 1
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 240
bInterfaceProtocol 1
iInterface 4 com.thermal.pir206.1
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 1
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 240
bInterfaceProtocol 1
iInterface 4 com.thermal.pir206.1
bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level)

compare with E4 UVC camera

Quote from: tomas123 on August 12, 2015, 06:31:02 pm

check Flir E4 USB announcements
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$ lsusb -v Bus 001 Device 006: ID 09cb:1007 Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 239 Miscellaneous Device bDeviceSubClass 2 ? bDeviceProtocol 1 Interface Association bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x09cb idProduct 0x1007 bcdDevice 0.00 iManufacturer 7 FLIR Systems iProduct 8 FLIR Ex-Series iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 241 bNumInterfaces 3 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0x80 (Bus Powered) MaxPower 500mA Interface Association: bLength 8 bDescriptorType 11 bFirstInterface 0 bInterfaceCount 2 bFunctionClass 14 Video bFunctionSubClass 3 Video Interface Collection bFunctionProtocol 0 iFunction 10 FLIR USB Video Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 14 Video bInterfaceSubClass 1 Video Control bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 2 FLIR Ex-Series VideoControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 13 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (HEADER) bcdUVC 1.00 wTotalLength 85 dwClockFrequency 0.001000MHz bInCollection 1 baInterfaceNr( 0) 1 VideoControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (INPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 1 wTerminalType 0x0201 Camera Sensor bAssocTerminal 0 iTerminal 0 wObjectiveFocalLengthMin 0 wObjectiveFocalLengthMax 0 wOcularFocalLength 0 bControlSize 3 bmControls 0x00020260 Focus (Absolute) Focus (Relative) Zoom (Absolute) Focus, Auto VideoControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 3 (OUTPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 3 wTerminalType 0x0101 USB Streaming bAssocTerminal 0 bSourceID 6 iTerminal 0 VideoControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 4 (SELECTOR_UNIT) bUnitID 4 bNrInPins 1 baSource( 0) 1 iSelector 0 VideoControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 11 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 5 (PROCESSING_UNIT) Warning: Descriptor too short bUnitID 5 bSourceID 4 wMaxMultiplier 0 bControlSize 2 bmControls 0x00000217 Brightness Contrast Hue Sharpness Gain iProcessing 0 bmVideoStandards 0x1b None NTSC - 525/60 SECAM - 625/50 NTSC - 625/50 VideoControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 27 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 6 (EXTENSION_UNIT) bUnitID 6 guidExtensionCode {d41f59fa-5094-463a-b3bb-e7858a831fa3} bNumControl 4 bNrPins 1 baSourceID( 0) 5 bControlSize 2 bmControls( 0) 0x0f bmControls( 1) 0x00 iExtension 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0008 1x 8 bytes bInterval 16 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 14 Video bInterfaceSubClass 2 Video Streaming bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 VideoStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 14 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (INPUT_HEADER) bNumFormats 1 wTotalLength 79 bEndPointAddress 130 bmInfo 0 bTerminalLink 3 bStillCaptureMethod 0 bTriggerSupport 0 bTriggerUsage 0 bControlSize 1 bmaControls( 0) 27 VideoStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 27 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 4 (FORMAT_UNCOMPRESSED) bFormatIndex 1 bNumFrameDescriptors 1 guidFormat {59555932-0000-1000-8000-00aa00389b71} bBitsPerPixel 16 bDefaultFrameIndex 1 bAspectRatioX 0 bAspectRatioY 0 bmInterlaceFlags 0x00 Interlaced stream or variable: No Fields per frame: 2 fields Field 1 first: No Field pattern: Field 1 only bCopyProtect 0 VideoStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 38 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 5 (FRAME_UNCOMPRESSED) bFrameIndex 1 bmCapabilities 0x03 Still image supported Fixed frame-rate wWidth 320 wHeight 240 dwMinBitRate 912384 dwMaxBitRate 912384 dwMaxVideoFrameBufferSize 153600 dwDefaultFrameInterval 2666664 bFrameIntervalType 3 dwFrameInterval( 0) 666666 dwFrameInterval( 1) 1333332 dwFrameInterval( 2) 2666664 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 2 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk-Only iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 EP 3 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x04 EP 4 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Device Qualifier (for other device speed): bLength 10 bDescriptorType 6 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 239 Miscellaneous Device bDeviceSubClass 2 ? bDeviceProtocol 1 Interface Association bMaxPacketSize0 64 bNumConfigurations 1 Device Status: 0x0000 (Bus Powered)

>grep -i interface E4.txt
bDeviceProtocol 1 Interface Association
bNumInterfaces 3
Interface Association:
bFirstInterface 0
bInterfaceCount 2
bFunctionSubClass 3 Video Interface Collection
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 0
bInterfaceClass 14 Video
bInterfaceSubClass 1 Video Control
bInterfaceProtocol 0
iInterface 2 FLIR Ex-Series
VideoControl Interface Descriptor:
baInterfaceNr( 0) 1
VideoControl Interface Descriptor:
VideoControl Interface Descriptor:
VideoControl Interface Descriptor:
VideoControl Interface Descriptor:
VideoControl Interface Descriptor:
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 1
bInterfaceClass 14 Video
bInterfaceSubClass 2 Video Streaming
bInterfaceProtocol 0
iInterface 0
VideoStreaming Interface Descriptor:
VideoStreaming Interface Descriptor:
VideoStreaming Interface Descriptor:
Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber 2
bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage
bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI
bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk-Only
iInterface 0
bDeviceProtocol 1 Interface Association

encryptededdy · « **Reply #364 on:** September 09, 2015, 08:31:45 am »

Quote from: Aurora on September 09, 2015, 01:31:39 am

I do not like the look of that screen connection mess on top of the USB plug !

I am starting to think FLIR could be playing games over the true resolution of the LEPTON 3. Having re visited all the FLIR blurb I get the definite feeling that they did not want to specify the physical pixel count. There is even comment in one pre release document saying that picture appearance is more important than resolution ! This almost appeared to say that the new LEPTON had better image manipulation 'magic'. I wonder if we are back to our old friend of cheap low resolution imaging chips. Namely interpolation.

I would comment further if I had a working unit but as mine was DoA I will have to wait to see the images on my phone.
I will do a side by side comparison of the ONE with two other 160*120 pixel cameras. If FLIR are not being totally honest about the 160*120 physical resolution I think we will spot it.

If this is smoke and mirrors marketing crap, my camera will be heading back to FLIR pronto. I still have the email confirming physical resolution as 160*120 from FLIR CS.

I should have stuck with professional thermal cameras. At least they have real specs and you can trust them !

Aurora

I think this is just the consequence of 12um pixels paired with that small lens.

The "picture appearance is more important than resolution" quote is probably aimed at people comparing the FLIR to the Seek thermal (since the Seek is still higher res but arguably worse picture)

tomas123 · « **Reply #365 on:** September 09, 2015, 08:40:02 am »

Quote from: Aurora on September 09, 2015, 01:31:39 am

I am starting to think FLIR could be playing games over the true resolution of the LEPTON 3.
...
This almost appeared to say that the new LEPTON had better image manipulation 'magic'.

a resolution test with a heating wire will show the true resolution

Quote from: tomas123 on November 16, 2014, 05:15:09 pm

one square = one sensor pixel of Flir Exx

the result is really sharp (thanks to good optics of the Flir Exx)
Wow

...
one square = one sensor pixel of Flir One G1 (80x60)

Well, the result is definite poorer, as the 80x60 crop of the Exx ...

I love the artefacts around the heating wire on the RAW image of the Flir One G1

Fraser · « **Reply #366 on:** September 09, 2015, 12:26:57 pm »

Well the Faxitron is warming up and I will see is I can get any useful imaging of my units internal. The battery will be a PITA though.

Mike,

Sadly FLIR want the dead unit back. No surprises there. Any decent company will want to characterise production failures to avoid repetition. Pity though. I would have loved to keep it for the core alone. FLIR do not strike me as that generous though.

Aurora

frenky · « **Reply #367 on:** September 09, 2015, 02:13:09 pm »

When you will make a comparison with other thermal cameras with similar resolution; please make some photos in the dark so that msx won't interfere.

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Fraser · « **Reply #368 on:** September 09, 2015, 02:22:37 pm »

The issue wit taking pictures in the dark is the noise floor of the visible light camera. It may add noise to the image as the MSX algorithm searches for edges in the noise ? I can certainly give it ago though.

Aurora

frenky · « **Reply #369 on:** September 09, 2015, 02:25:23 pm »

It would be interesting to see the same scenes with and without light so we can see what happens with the details & noise...

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Fraser · « **Reply #370 on:** September 09, 2015, 02:44:35 pm »

I have tried to X-Ray my faulty FLIR ONE G2 to see if its power connector is correctly fitted. Sadly no dice, there was too much in the way obscuring the connector. Its going back to FLIR tomorrow anyway.

Images are here if anyone wishes to see them:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/the-x-ray-image-thread-by-aurora-various-electronics-via-x-ray-imaging/msg750572/#msg750572

Aurora

mct75 · « **Reply #371 on:** September 09, 2015, 04:30:14 pm »

Can MSX not be turned off? It seems like more of an annoyance than anything else, because I would use a Flir One for macro-type imaging than anything else.

in.Vitro · « **Reply #372 on:** September 09, 2015, 06:24:45 pm »

You can Stick "milky" tape in Front of the Camera

mikeselectricstuff · « **Reply #373 on:** September 09, 2015, 07:19:32 pm »

Quote from: in.Vitro on September 09, 2015, 06:24:45 pm

You can Stick "milky" tape in Front of the Camera

Yes - if you just blank it out, the camara turns up the gain & noise becomes annoying ( the software really should be able to sense that the light level is low and disable MSX).
Using translucent tape keeps the light level up while suppressing the edges

Fraser · « **Reply #374 on:** September 09, 2015, 07:54:32 pm »

I have heard from Bill on another matter and have taken the opportunity to ask him about the apparent slow frame rate of the Android camera. I hope he may respond on this with news of whether they expect to improve the situation.

Aurora


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