Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators

[e0ne199]

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1870091/#msg1870091

i have downloaded sdg1000x ads file but i am unable to flash it to my AWG...are there any additional steps to use it?

You mean this [telnet_SDG1000X.ADS]

This you can not flash at all. You do all like FW update with this file and SDG tell that it fails... do not care...do not shut off... just telnet and do what ever inside SDG system. If you do not know what to do there inside system and how... then please study first...yes it may take time to find all or if you find right place there can perhaps find all very detailed full instructions (it is like spring festival gift package what include all you need) what can use like blind (after you have telnet working) but be careful... it do not forgive any kind of typemistakes.   Do not try..oops...try...oops iteration... because this method may lead you to real problems and nearly like "destroy" your SDG

And seriously, do NOT downgrade to semidanger factory original or "eevblog version" FW ....01P22 even if you find it somewhere because if bad happen and it goes to boot problem... it do not support USB recovery method.

yes i did firmware update using that file several times and the answer from my SDG was that it failed to download that FW file ...so does that mean it was successfully downloaded into my AWG?

[rf-loop]

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1870091/#msg1870091

i have downloaded sdg1000x ads file but i am unable to flash it to my AWG...are there any additional steps to use it?

You mean this [telnet_SDG1000X.ADS]

This you can not flash at all. You do all like FW update with this file and SDG tell that it fails... do not care...do not shut off... just telnet and do what ever inside SDG system. If you do not know what to do there inside system and how... then please study first...yes it may take time to find all or if you find right place there can perhaps find all very detailed full instructions (it is like spring festival gift package what include all you need) what can use like blind (after you have telnet working) but be careful... it do not forgive any kind of typemistakes.   Do not try..oops...try...oops iteration... because this method may lead you to real problems and nearly like "destroy" your SDG

And seriously, do NOT downgrade to semidanger factory original or "eevblog version" FW ....01P22 even if you find it somewhere because if bad happen and it goes to boot problem... it do not support USB recovery method.

yes i did firmware update using that file several times and the answer from my SDG was that it failed to download that FW file ...so does that mean it was successfully downloaded into my AWG?

It is not real FW at all...   it just open port...(and it is open just only until you boot again SDG, so every time you boot you need do this FW trick... and you need boot during this work except if you do all mods at once, and remember to keep original files also there in system but renamed for possible later needs)  now do your homework and read. Read ALL what is included in this zip package I give link in previous message. I know you did not read and look at all there because you ask this. As long as you need ask some thing related to this, tell that you did not read or you did not understand what you read. Sorry this was necessary.. 

Also here in forum is enough talk about what this ADS file do and how to use it...  I know you are hungry but I do not feed you... you need now do simple work.. read and if still do not know then read more. Golden rule, what ever you do... first brain work, then muscle work. There are no totally free lunches........

Btw, there in other thread

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1870091/#msg1870091

 tv84 write (where you first get also this .ADS):

How to open a telnet session in a Siglent when the root password is unknown?

Use the following scripts, according to each equipment.

They provide a root session via port 10101.

[e0ne199]

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1870091/#msg1870091

i have downloaded sdg1000x ads file but i am unable to flash it to my AWG...are there any additional steps to use it?

You mean this [telnet_SDG1000X.ADS]

This you can not flash at all. You do all like FW update with this file and SDG tell that it fails... do not care...do not shut off... just telnet and do what ever inside SDG system. If you do not know what to do there inside system and how... then please study first...yes it may take time to find all or if you find right place there can perhaps find all very detailed full instructions (it is like spring festival gift package what include all you need) what can use like blind (after you have telnet working) but be careful... it do not forgive any kind of typemistakes.   Do not try..oops...try...oops iteration... because this method may lead you to real problems and nearly like "destroy" your SDG

And seriously, do NOT downgrade to semidanger factory original or "eevblog version" FW ....01P22 even if you find it somewhere because if bad happen and it goes to boot problem... it do not support USB recovery method.

yes i did firmware update using that file several times and the answer from my SDG was that it failed to download that FW file ...so does that mean it was successfully downloaded into my AWG?

It is not real FW at all...   it just open port...(and it is open just only until you boot again SDG, so every time you boot you need do this FW trick... and you need boot during this work except if you do all mods at once, and remember to keep original files also there in system but renamed for possible later needs)  now do your homework and read. Read ALL what is included in this zip package I give link in previous message. Also here in forum is enough talk about what this ADS file do and how to use it...  I know you are hungry but I do not feed you... you need now do simple work.. read and if still do not know then read more. Golden rule, what ever you do... first brain work, then muscle work. There are no totally free lunches........

Btw, there in other thread

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1870091/#msg1870091

 tv84 write (where you find also this .ADS):

How to open a telnet session in a Siglent when the root password is unknown?

Use the following scripts, according to each equipment.

They provide a root session via port 10101.

What you did not understand there.

lol okok i just didn't see the link you provided in your previous post, now i have found it, thx 

[oewean]

New firmware released for Siglent SDG1000X Waveform generators
SDG1000X Firmware – 1.01.01.33R1B6 (Release Date 02.21.20 )
https://www.siglenteu.com/download/8977/

[klausES]

Thank you.

Although I would only have understood another firmware with such a small change if "this" is a real problem. 
So at least I have never even noticed a problem with bouncing buttons when operating and I have not been able to read anything about it. 

[klausES]

Anyone tried 1.01.01.33R1B6 on their SDG1032/62X ?

Any changes (apart from the explanation with the bouncing buttons) noticed ?

Telnet access (with the trick of the "wrong" firmware) is still possible?

[klausES]

I tested the 1.01.01.33R1B6 on my SDG1062X in some points (certainly not in all).
So far I could not find any changes and, what is important, none with negative effects.

I have not yet tested an influence on Telnet access or whether the special temporary access firmware still works.

[4x1md]

Sometimes I need to document the tests I perform. If I use a signal generator, I want to be able to save screenshots which show its configuration. In Linux it is fairly simple and can be done LXI Tools (see the attached screenshot). What is the way to get the screenshots from the AWG in Windows? EasyWaveX doesn't have this option. Any other ideas?

And one more question on Siglent software. Do EasyWaveX and EasyScopeX work in Linux under WineHQ? Are there any Linux alternatives?

[tubularnut]

In Windows 10 use the Snipping Tool, it’s built in.

[4x1md]

In Windows 10 use the Snipping Tool, it’s built in.

The question was how to get a screenshot from the AWG.

[tubularnut]

Apologies, perhaps I misunderstood, but you asked the question "What is the way to do it in Windows?"

I assumed you were remotely running the generator from a Windows PC, in which case using Snipping Tool you could take a screenshot.

Sorry I can't answer your question.

[spy]

After updating to 1.01.01.33R1B5 my SDG1032X I found that it started to be very laggy with detecting and browsing USB stick. In fact it acts the same with 1.01.01.33R1. It needs quite a long time to recognize USB stick is plugged in and when it does sometimes there is a message the drive has been removed and than detected again. Browsing USB stick content is a pain, it takes a second or two until it scrolls up or down. Easiest way to replicate this issue is plug in the USB drive and get into firmware update menu.

Could someone confirm that issue with other SDG1000X device?

[4x1md]

Yes. At first I thought it was related to the USB stick file system. Now I think that it happens when the stick has many files on it. Did you try it with  an empty USB stick?

[spy]

Yes I did. And in fact, when you have small number of files on USB stick (i.e only 3) browsing works OK. But when there are some directories with files inside just browsing the root folder without enterning any of them may cause umounting USB stick and pop up the message that device has been removed. It shouldn't look like that. User might not be aware of this issue and suspect USB stick is corrupted or not supported. On SDS1104X-E oscilloscope browsing works with no issues at all. I think it's a bug and should be investigated and fixed.

[klausES]

Just tried it (SDG1062X with 1.01.01.33R1B5) with a fairly full stick (4 levels directory depth, more than 20 files within the directories)
and noticed no slowdown, no delays in browsing through the file system.

The stick is a short Sandisk USB 3.0 16 GB

Maybe it was just that they weren't exactly the same conditions as yours ?

[spy]

I agree, conditions are different. I tried to investigate deeper and reproduce this issue and found out that total numer of files on USB stick matters. In my opinion problem starts to be annoying when there are more than 300 files. Over a 1000 and there are bizarre USB stick disconnections, generator might may stop responding to pressing buttons, removing the stick bring generator back to life, it might happen that siggen stops recognizing particular USB stick it had problems with. In that case only power cycling can fix that. It seems directory structure doesn't make any difference.

And one more thing is truncating file names on content browsing (however we can see file sizes now, that's good), which has been introduced in fw 1.01.01.30.R1 I think. Take a look at the pictures - which one is B5 or B6 version . Yes, we can always rename files, but why did they do that funny thing with 3 dots? The screen might be divided different way.

[klausES]

...In my opinion problem starts to be annoying when there are more than 300 files. Over a 1000 and there are bizarre USB stick disconnections...

He will want to read the FAT data from the stick and is probably "overwhelmed" with such a number of entries (computing power and possibly still the size of the ram) ?!?

If you know that, you should reserve your own stick for it.
It is a waveform generator and not an x core with an x GHz computer... 

The thing with the "truncated" filenames I did not notice at all. 

[tautech]

SDG1000X THD concerns and investigations:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdg1032x-harmonic-distorsion/

[mio83]

I confirm that my concerns were not well founded.
The THD was caused by the spectrum analyzer (set without using the proper attenuation).

My youtube channel is called "The RF noob" for a reason 

In any case I measured better THD values on my Siglent 1032X than those stated in the manual.
Also, the frequency counter works up to 250mhz (vs 200mhz in the manual).
I am very happy!

[klausES]

Something has been badly done publicly, it is difficult to correct it afterwards. 
If you absolutely have to make a video in yt, you should first be 100% sure of what you have done before publishing.

[TurboTom]

Something has been badly done publicly, it is difficult to correct it afterwards. 
If you absolutely have to make a video in yt, you should first be 100% sure of what you have done before publishing.

That should be true for politicians (...) 

But since all people make mistakes once in a while, it can be quite educative to see the mistake (published) and then as a follow-up the insight what led to the mistake and the remedy. Obviously, @mio83 still needs to practice some more with the settings of his SA (RBW to lower the noise floor and the like) but he'll get there I'm sure. Aren't we all "noobs" at a certain level? 

[Hexley]

Does anyone know of a programming guide for the SDG1000X series that is later than the version hosted at the NA and EU Siglent sites? That is version PG02-E04A, and it does not agree with the instrument's behavior in some cases.

While some discrepancies are minor¹, others are not. Here, for example, is what the instrument reports when set up for PWM modulation; emphasis added:

C1:MDWV STATE,ON,PWM,MDSP,SINE,SRC,INT,FRQ,333HZ,DEVI,3.115081301e-06S,DDEVI,38.3155,CARR,WVTP,PULSE,FRQ,123000HZ,AMP,2.8288V,AMPVRMS,1.4144Vrms,OFST,0V,DUTY,61.5,RISE,1.68e-08S,FALL,1.68e-08S,DLY,0

The programming guide says that the PWM parameter "DEVI" specifies percentage. "<PWM dev> := Duty cycle deviation. The unit is "%". Value depends on the carrier duty cycle .", from page 23, Section 3.5. But as shown above the instrument actually dimensions that parameter in seconds, not as a percentage.

And the parameter "DDEVI" which follows is not mentioned in the documentation at all.

I'm wondering if there might be a corrected and updated version of the programming guide available somewhere.

- Hexley

¹Note, for example, that the modulation type (PWM, in this example) follows the "STATE,ON," fields in the output string shown above, whereas the example in the manual shows it coming before the STATE fields. Or note that the carrier amplitude is reported in both V and Vrms, though the documentation doesn't include Vrms in the description of the CARR,AMP field, saying only "<amplitude>:= carrier amplitude. The unit is volts, peak to peak Vpp "". These are indeed minor issues, of course, but they illustrate a few of the differences between the manual and the actual instrument.

[klausES]

Because e.g. PWM did not come later with new firmware but was always available, it should actually be documented from the start.
Have you already looked into the programming guide of the 2000X and 6000X series ?
Probably there is no more than for the 1000X...

Maybe Tautech has a good channel to Siglent for more detailed documentation ?

[tautech]

Because e.g. PWM did not come later with new firmware but was always available, it should actually be documented from the start.
Have you already looked into the programming guide of the 2000X and 6000X series ?
Probably there is no more than for the 1000X...

Maybe Tautech has a good channel to Siglent for more detailed documentation ?

Updated documentation has always followed feature changes brought about by new FW unfortunately and it's something I've grumbled about to high levels not long ago.
Keep checking for manual updates is all I can suggest as they do come available once they are translated from the Chinese original versions.
I look here when trying to find new versions of anything:
https://int.siglent.com/download/documents/

[Hexley]

Does anyone know of a programming guide for the SDG1000X series that is later than the version hosted at the NA and EU Siglent sites? That is version PG02-E04A, and it does not agree with the instrument's behavior in some cases.

Any update on this? I checked https://int.siglent.com/download/documents/ to see if there was a new programming manual for the SDG100X series, but it still shows version PG02-E04A. Just thought I'd ping and see if there was anything new...