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Offline Blue

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #250 on: February 16, 2017, 05:04:18 am »
Looks like it is a very nice piece of equipment.
I would love to get one....
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #251 on: February 16, 2017, 05:24:19 am »
Looks like it is a very nice piece of equipment.
I would love to get one....

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #252 on: February 16, 2017, 05:29:52 am »
The MZ4 has the sample memory in it too.
And I'm doubting you can make a Zync based system as fast as the optimised MZ4 ASIC.
I'm very sure you can! There is absolutely nothing in the MZ4 ASIC you can't do with an FPGA. And having a direct path between the CPU and sampledata probably opens new possibilities due to the higher memory bandwidth.
You may be able to, but it's not just magic. FPGA's have fabric timing and routing overhead that ASIC's generally can optimise out with more consider layout.
I never wrote an FPGA solution would be more power efficient. Then again it seems the MZ4 uses a 90nm process and the Zync seems to be on a 28nm process.
Kind of off topic, but related to your comment.. some FPGAs can be quite efficient. Like the Lattice ice40 ultra series. I was kind of shocked to find out they are used in the iPhone 7. Although they are relatively small and more CPLDs than FPGAs.

Anyways, on topic: This looks like a nice little scope. Looks to be pretty responsive. Can't wait for a teardown!
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #253 on: February 16, 2017, 07:24:24 am »
Looks like a nice scope.
Have a day
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #254 on: February 16, 2017, 07:30:13 am »
is this the contest entry thread?
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #255 on: February 16, 2017, 08:24:25 am »
Wait. They give them away for free?
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #256 on: February 16, 2017, 09:33:25 am »
The FRA feature is the best feature I've ever seen on a oscilloscope. This feature alone would be worth buying one ... must persuade my boss the next new scope must be one of these ... (Usually new scopes here are ugly Yokogawa ones).
Would have been lucky if I had this thing some month ago, while checking the frequency response of a special purpose diff amp, Instead I had to do it manually and for some extent using a Red Pitaya. The "built-in" apps of the RP are a real PITA, the Keysight looks way much better.

Please ... I need one of these ...
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #257 on: February 16, 2017, 09:42:25 am »
was very disappointed by today's video.
(note: i have very high expectations for this scope.. and i'll get one from some of the countless german dudes who will win at the giveaway and resell it)

at first my heart skipped a couple of beats. i was thinking (oh crap another TBS-like disaster)  :-DD

then the style of the presentation was very disappointing compared to other of your "promotional" videos, from what i remember
not a review or a teardown, just advertising (also, the amount of replies by keysight in the video...).
Sure, a quick glance at all the functions but the tone..

also, not sure if stupid youtube but at some moments it felt like the playback was running at increased speed, like when dave was moving the vertical offset his movement was too "frenetic". not only there
probably stupid youtube.

When will there be the real review??
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #258 on: February 16, 2017, 09:48:32 am »
Dave, are you going to do a comparison between the new Keysight and Rigol 1000z series ?
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #259 on: February 16, 2017, 10:40:06 am »
was very disappointed by today's video.
then the style of the presentation was very disappointing compared to other of your "promotional" videos, from what i remember
not a review or a teardown, just advertising (also, the amount of replies by keysight in the video...).

The scope is not released yet. I was only allowed to show the bode plot function.

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Sure, a quick glance at all the functions but the tone..

All the functions? I showed very little of the functionality, on purpose.

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When will there be the real review??

When it's actually released.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #260 on: February 16, 2017, 10:41:41 am »
Dave, are you going to do a comparison between the new Keysight and Rigol 1000z series ?

People probably expect that.
So eventually I guess.
 
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #261 on: February 16, 2017, 11:00:51 am »
was very disappointed by today's video.
then the style of the presentation was very disappointing compared to other of your "promotional" videos, from what i remember
not a review or a teardown, just advertising (also, the amount of replies by keysight in the video...).

The scope is not released yet. I was only allowed to show the bode plot function.


that's reasonable

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on purpose.

of course, which is why i said "not a review or a teardown, just advertising"

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When will there be the real review??

When it's actually released.

got it :-+
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #262 on: February 16, 2017, 11:50:28 am »
I'll kill up to 10 people to get one :). And 3 of them can be a president of a country... That's excluding Bill Gates - he can be a free bonus.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #263 on: February 16, 2017, 01:27:50 pm »
Here's my current scope. I'm not sure but the Keysight one might be an improvement...
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #264 on: February 16, 2017, 04:06:06 pm »
Thanks to my EEVblog YouTube subscription, I'll once again have a small chance of winning a life changing piece of test-equipment! Totally worth it! :-+ :-+
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #265 on: February 16, 2017, 04:12:48 pm »
Have you also noticed the big amount of noise on the traces ?

Why is Keysight wasting so much screen for the menu on the right side ?

 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #266 on: February 16, 2017, 04:51:15 pm »
It's tiny.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #267 on: February 16, 2017, 09:06:04 pm »
Why is Keysight wasting so much screen for the menu on the right side ?

Like the other InfiniiVision scopes, the plotting is all done in the ASIC at a fixed aspect ratio. So, we didn't so much take away screen space as add in extra for menus (that won't cover your trace).
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #268 on: February 16, 2017, 09:23:06 pm »
I hate Bode plotters that work with that stepped frequency method.  It not only takes forever to cover the frequency range, but by skipping between discreet frequency steps you can miss resonances/strange behaviors that might happen to be in between the steps.  Real continuous swept sine or full band "white noise" frequency response is sooooo much better and there is nothing keeping an instrument like this from doing either method.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #269 on: February 16, 2017, 10:22:57 pm »
Looks like a great entry level scope.  Would love to enter to win one.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #270 on: February 16, 2017, 10:38:23 pm »
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Got an MSRP on this new scope? I'd be interested in buying it if I don't win one  :-+
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #271 on: February 16, 2017, 10:45:21 pm »
I hate Bode plotters that work with that stepped frequency method.  It not only takes forever to cover the frequency range, but by skipping between discreet frequency steps you can miss resonances/strange behaviors that might happen to be in between the steps.  Real continuous swept sine or full band "white noise" frequency response is sooooo much better and there is nothing keeping an instrument like this from doing either method.
Somehow I doubt that. An oscillation needs time to build up so hitting it shortly with a too fast sweep or every now and then with noise seems just as prone to missing resonances to me as using discrete steps. Also you'll be looking at a resonator in a narrow frequency span anyway so you don't need many steps/slow sweeps.

Edit: some measurements really need time to get them right.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #272 on: February 16, 2017, 10:48:01 pm »
I'll kill up to 10 people to get one :). And 3 of them can be a president of a country... That's excluding Bill Gates - he can be a free bonus.

 :wtf: Please, do everyone a favor and don't try to be funny anymore...
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #273 on: February 16, 2017, 11:32:14 pm »
I wonder if they're gonna release a 4 channel model.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #274 on: February 16, 2017, 11:54:42 pm »
in like flin!!
 


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