hello yes tried it with others
and also disable the disable "ICSP_VCC Enable"
the programmer recognizes the device ID correctly
it reads the chip successful no problem.
but there is no data hex and the check sum remains all blank
it does it on all of them.
i have rechecked the ICSP conection and its correct.
i will test it again when i get home
thank you
forgot to say i use the enable button someone posted on the forum to enable the icsp connection
as it does not let you highlight it and that the only way it will let us.
could it be a program updated to block this from working on the icsp connections