Siglent SDS6000A DSO's 500MHz-2GHz

[tautech]

Taking orders for them now and SDS6000A info is now up on all Siglent websites.

The Siglent NA site says "Call for a quote" under the price.

Which, of course, means "if you have to ask, you can't afford it!"    

 

Or you could interpret that as 'we don't have stock yet'. 
The EU site has some pricing...........

[jemangedeslolos]

6480€ excluding VAT for SDS6054A ( Batronix )

Why 8bit ?? 

[Martin72]

Nearly 8000€ for private customers for the entry-model, there goes my dream...

[jemangedeslolos]

Honestly, who needs such performance for hobby only ?

[Martin72]

Honestly,

Having is better than needing...

But you´re right, of course.

[jemangedeslolos]

Honestly,

Having is better than needing...

But you´re right, of course.

Your last sentence is absolutely correct. Not enough said elsewhere. It should be written into the law.

That said, the price is still surprising.
Looks like a copy of the Lecroy 4000HD series, except the Lecroys are 12-bit. And there are promotions at -50% fully loaded which should place them more or less at the price of Siglent ...

[Someone]

Honestly,

Having is better than needing...

But you´re right, of course.

Your last sentence is absolutely correct. Not enough said elsewhere. It should be written into the law.

That said, the price is still surprising.
Looks like a copy of the Lecroy 4000HD series, except the Lecroys are 12-bit. And there are promotions at -50% fully loaded which should place them more or less at the price of Siglent ...

Siglent having the 2GHz version as their standout (although the bandwidth to sample rate ratio gets a little tight for some peoples likings). What is interesting about both these Lecroy and Siglent products is their very flat pricing for bandwidth (and the upgrade pricing), very little money to go for the top bandwidth model.

[Martin72]

Lecroys old waverunner LT series got 500Mhz and 500MSa/s with no problems, so I won´t worry about 2ghz and 5/10 GSa/s.

Apart from that, the prices are a clear statement to be a pro-equipment.
So in my opinion, the new siglent 6000 series should be compared to:

- Tektronix MDO 4 Series
- R&S RTA4000 series
- Keysight DSO/MSO 4000 series
- Lecroy Wavesurfer 4000HD series
- Rigol MSO8000 series

Where tek, R&S and lecroy got more than 8bit native resolution.
IMHO, the new siglent series is a ticket for them to be a "A-Brand", now they "must" proof it, in terms of quality and service to the customer.

[Martin72]

https://www.conrad.de/de/p/teledyne-lecroy-wavesurfer-4104hd-analog-oszilloskop-1-ghz-12-bit-1-st-2196853.html

Oops..

[luudee]

https://www.conrad.de/de/p/teledyne-lecroy-wavesurfer-4104hd-analog-oszilloskop-1-ghz-12-bit-1-st-2196853.html

Oops..

Yeah, but delivery in 10 weeks, Wich really means 2-3 months ...

[rf-loop]

https://www.conrad.de/de/p/teledyne-lecroy-wavesurfer-4104hd-analog-oszilloskop-1-ghz-12-bit-1-st-2196853.html

Oops..

WaveSurfer 4104HD
ENOB 8.3 bit.

Sample Rate (Single-shot)   5 GS/s on 2 Ch  2.5 GS/s on 4 Ch
Memory Length (4 Ch / 2 Ch / 1Ch) 12.5M / 25M




Siglent 6000A,
Sample Rate  5GSa/s (10GSa/s ESR) all channels.
Memory Length 500M one ch, 250M 2 ch, 125M 3 or 4 ch.

Oops...

[Sighound36]

Did Rf loop have a hand in this design? or other Siglent products answers on a postcard 

The time delay on the Lecroys has been for quite a while, a few parts are non stock, just like a slot of components recetly as Wurth have just quoted 48 weeks ona specific inductor 

8 bits instead of 12 possibly a small of matter of a non compete agrement regarding certain models possibly?

The new Siglent looks like a good tool and bear in mind these arn't really hobby scope ranges now

[luudee]

When will Dave get his hands on one of these babies and do a review ?

rudi

[2N3055]

Did Rf loop have a hand in this design? or other Siglent products answers on a postcard 

Nah, man is simply encyclopedia..

The time delay on the Lecroys has been for quite a while, a few parts are non stock, just like a slot of components recetly as Wurth have just quoted 48 weeks ona specific inductor 

8 bits instead of 12 possibly a small of matter of a non compete agrement regarding certain models possibly?

The new Siglent looks like a good tool and bear in mind these arn't really hobby scope ranges now

8bit it is, for many reasons.. But, nice 4x5GS/s ADC all the time, oodles of memory, and your special a Jitter/Eye package... Up to 2GHz BW..
4 Math  channels with formula editor...etc etc.
And no, not hobby grade.  Serious machine.

[rf-loop]

Did Rf loop have a hand in this design? or other Siglent products answers on a postcard 

Postcard with stamp:

I don’t know where in reality or alternative reality you live. But if you imagine that I, “born in Winston Churchill’s time as prime minister,” would develop modern instruments - maybe we could write a sarcastic story about it for kids when I separate the transistor from the tube, but some times hardly.
Despite the above, I can sometimes even read the public data sheets of devices alongside thinking.
Even though my memory is outdated, I may still also find something to say also here from my own partially outdated world of knowledge and experience as well.
If it is still unclear. Should it be explained by bending the iron rod or copper wire.

 

[jemangedeslolos]

If anyone is interested to buy my Rigol MSO7000 ( Rigol MSO7014 but fully loaded by our well known genius friend ) I'm willing to devote myself to buying this thing 

[hpw]

When will Dave get his hands on one of these babies and do a review ?

Yes, if he is serious to test using a Bodnar fast rising pulse generator (30..40ps rise/fall time) so we will see the beef.

Also to show how low the Jitter SW figures goes and how accurate they even are.

Keep in mind for 4 x 1..2 GHz props ... to pay the same amount once more 

my 2 cents

[2N3055]

When will Dave get his hands on one of these babies and do a review ?

Yes, if he is serious to test using a Bodnar fast rising pulse generator (30..40ps rise/fall time) so we will see the beef.

Also to show how low the Jitter SW figures goes and how accurate they even are.

Keep in mind for 4 x 1..2 GHz props ... to pay the same amount once more 

my 2 cents

Dave didn't do a real review of any scope in many years. That is a serious work and takes too much time and is not really interesting to his viewers. It makes no sense of him to spend a month doing only that and get less views than with some other theme. As for opening a scope and showing there is some electronics inside I can tell you what's inside : some electronics and 12" screen. And a 120 mm fan, and some sheet metal, and power supply..  No rust.

What do you mean by your statements : what beef? What do you expect to see?

It has jitter figures that are better than specified.

Third one I really don't understand.

[luudee]

Dave didn't do a real review of any scope in many years. That is a serious work and takes too much time and is not really interesting to his viewers. It makes no sense of him to spend a month doing only that and get less views than with some other theme. As for opening a scope and showing there is some electronics inside I can tell you what's inside : some electronics and 12" screen. And a 120 mm fan, and some sheet metal, and power supply..  No rust.

What do you mean by your statements : what beef? What do you expect to see?

It has jitter figures that are better than specified.

Third one I really don't understand.

I'm not sure why you think DSO reviews (specially a new one from Siglent) are less popular than other topics. We all have preferences, but to dismiss a DSO review because you think it is less popular doesn't make sense. For me, I am less interested what's inside, then to see how it performs in actual real-world application. I am ready to buy one !

1. "beef" is a synonym for problem(s). What HPW is trying to say (IMHO) is that the device he refers to with 30-40ps raise/fall time will show potential shortcoming of the scope.
2. I believe what HPW means is that we will see how well the Jitter Software behaves and how useful it will be.
3. HPW is saying that 4 probes, for 1-2 GHz, will cost as much as the scope ...

Of course, I do not speak for HPW 

Cheers,
rudi

 

[rvalente]

This is the kind of instrument that would totally benefit from an external keyboard (like tek DPO7) full knobs, one for each channel.
Its a big instrument I would not like to leave over the bench but on a shelf in my eyesight.

[luudee]

That is really nice to have such a remote keyboard!

Recently, I attached a small (travelers) mouse to my SDS5104, and after initial hesitation, I now find myself using it more and more. Unfortunately, I have not figured out yet how to reach all features with the mouse, and have to reach out from time to time to the knobs!

Also, I made my instrument rack such, that I can slide it back and forth on my bench. I can move it closer when I need to operate any of the instruments.

Cheers,
rudi

[jemangedeslolos]

Dave didn't do a real review of any scope in many years. That is a serious work and takes too much time and is not really interesting to his viewers. It makes no sense of him to spend a month doing only that and get less views than with some other theme. As for opening a scope and showing there is some electronics inside I can tell you what's inside : some electronics and 12" screen. And a 120 mm fan, and some sheet metal, and power supply..  No rust.

What do you mean by your statements : what beef? What do you expect to see?

It has jitter figures that are better than specified.

Third one I really don't understand.

I'm not sure why you think DSO reviews (specially a new one from Siglent) are less popular than other topics. We all have preferences, but to dismiss a DSO review because you think it is less popular doesn't make sense. For me, I am less interested what's inside, then to see how it performs in actual real-world application. I am ready to buy one !

1. "beef" is a synonym for problem(s). What HPW is trying to say (IMHO) is that the device he refers to with 30-40ps raise/fall time will show potential shortcoming of the scope.
2. I believe what HPW means is that we will see how well the Jitter Software behaves and how useful it will be.
3. HPW is saying that 4 probes, for 1-2 GHz, will cost as much as the scope ...

Of course, I do not speak for HPW 

Cheers,
rudi

It is the work amount / number of views ratio that is important.
A teardown is an almost easy job, a review is not.

However a teardown would be interesting between a 8bit SDS6000A VS a 12bit SDS6000 pro.

[2N3055]

However a teardown would be interesting between a 8bit SDS6000A VS a 12bit SDS6000 pro.

It's simply different board.. Not much to compare.

[jemangedeslolos]

In my dreams, there is a dip switch to switch from 8bit to 12 bit just like that.
So don't be too hard with me please 

[Performa01]

However a teardown would be interesting between a 8bit SDS6000A VS a 12bit SDS6000 pro.

It's simply different board.. Not much to compare.

... or also not. We cannot know until someone had a look under the hood of both instruments. It might well be that there is no hardware difference at all...