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Lacibácsi:
Hello Doktor !

Can You please release the patch for the current Kicad 8.0.1 version ?

Thanks a lot.

The Doktor:
I'd love to, but there is a small problem. While the main program, the PCB editor, and all the accessories work just fine, the schematic editor does not. If you try to load eeschema.exe directly it gives an error related to the file _eeschema.dll. If you try to run it from the main program, you don't get a message but it just hangs forever. When I get the time, I plan to see if I can compile that DLL so that it will run in Windows 7, but it may be a while before I even get a chance to try, and I may fail.

I do have version 7.0.11, which I believe is probably going to be the last release of kiCAD 7, working quite well if you would like me to post it.

pandy:

--- Quote from: The Doktor on March 25, 2024, 01:03:43 am ---I do have version 7.0.11, which I believe is probably going to be the last release of kiCAD 7, working quite well if you would like me to post it.

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Sure - this thread is about going opposite to something called "planned obsolescence". I never get open source developers following agenda of companies like Microsoft - IMHO this is contradictory to open source philosophy - I you have working solution for 7.0.11 then please post it.

bateau020:

--- Quote from: pandy on March 29, 2024, 12:29:02 am ---I never get open source developers following agenda of companies like Microsoft - IMHO this is contradictory to open source philosophy

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It is not so easy unfortunately. What I'm about to say has probably been told before, but please people, do not keep on using an expired OS for the wrong reasons.

About Microsoft making Win7 obsolete: yes, maybe that is planned obsolescence. And I agree that planned obsolescence is not good.
But for developers (be it open source or not) there are 2 problems with that:

1) you are not necessarily doing people a favor by helping them keep on using an insecure OS. Most people do not have the skills and tools to keep a machine with an expired OS safe. So it can be seen as a gentle push in the right direction to incentivise people to upgrade their OS.

2) APIs and SDKs change. Having to maintain several versions is effort and cost. Also for open source devs.

In my job I often have to deal with enterprise systems with old OS's (be it Win/Linux/Unix/whatever). They often tell me that they kept them active for economical reasons. But now suddenly they have to deal with raised maintenance costs (HW availability, SW availability, tooling for securing, interoperability limitations), legal issues (try explaining that GDPR auditor that you really needed that Win XP system to run your user database), and just greatly increased risks. Once the sh*t hits the fan on such an old system, it suddenly becomes an emergency. And emergencies cost money. A lot of money. At the moment you don't want it. So no, there is NO purely economical reason to keep expired systems.

You may of course decide to keep them for other than purely economical reasons. Good for you. But please do so knowing the consequences and risks.

Yes, I agree sometimes main vendors push planned obsolescence too far, or just make bad design decisions based on short term cost reductions. But it is something we have to live with and adapt to. There are alternatives. Why stay on Win7 when you can also just install a recent Ubuntu? If you really need some old Windows software on that expired OS, do so in a secured environment (ex: VM in proxmox), and know the consequences and risks.

PlainName:

--- Quote ---you are not necessarily doing people a favor by helping them keep on using an insecure OS
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Program authors are not the police. Nor are they doctors, psychiatrists, firemen, The State, ... It is not up to them why a user might run a particular OS, not on what hardware it is, nor whether the house has central heating or a coal fire.


--- Quote ---APIs and SDKs change
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This, and only this, is a valid reason. But even then they shouldn't intentionally block its use. The user should be able to try it and if it works it works, if not it doesn't. The developer should not pre-empt that and stop it even trying.


--- Quote ---You may of course decide to keep them for other than purely economical reasons
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Economics has nothing to do with it. Simply put, W10 was a pile of ergonomic shit and W11 still is. It has an atrocious user interface. That's it for me: I don't want flat borderless windows overlapping so you can't tell which is which; I don't want buttons that don't look like buttons but just ordinary text; I want to know - without having to try - that the window extends below what I can see and needs scrolling; I want to be able to scroll down, click a button and go to another dialog, then when I close that dialog go back to where I was, not start again at the top of the list and have to scroll all the way down again to get to the button I originally clicked. That's a killer for a settings page when you're trying to set up and change multiple options.

It's just shit. W7 if fine. Actually, W7 is so good that just to do something different Microsoft had to create Metro, and then make it worse than it was to start with.

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