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| SteveThackery:
--- Quote from: John B on November 24, 2024, 11:04:51 pm --- Honestly, trying to keep KiCAD chugging along on ancient windows releases is a band aid. How do you keep your other programs up to date? Brave stopped supporting windows 8.1 years ago. I could probably take a blank computer, install linux of choice (Mint is fine, but something like Fedora is a better choice), install KiCAD as a flatpak and have everything up and running in ~20 mins. Everything is up to date, no fuss. --- End quote --- Just to be clear, I'm running a mix of W10 and W11 on my various computers for the very reason you say: compatibility with the current versions of my favourite apps. W7 runs in a VM and I play with it mostly to remind myself of how good Windows once was. By the way, I've never got an install of Linux down to 20 minutes. The first thing every Linux I've ever installed does is download a monster load of updates for the OS and all the apps, which funnily enough is exactly what Windows does and gets mercilessly slagged off for. But for some reason Linux users insist Linux can do no wrong. As for me, I think Linux and Windows have much more in common than different, and anyway, they are just operating systems, FFS. Like, who the fuck cares? All the work gets done in the apps, not the OS. Its the apps that matter, and unfortunately many, many Linux apps are clunky, old fashioned and ugly. Apple apps take the biscuit, followed (very) closely by Windows apps, with Linux apps puffing along in last place. Oh, when I'm building a Windows or Linux machine from scratch I allow myself half a day, but in practice it typically takes a couple of hours, maybe a bit less, for each of them. I don't think I've ever got close to 20 minutes. |
| The Doktor:
Wow, this post has given me something to give thanks for on Thanksgiving! I was actually coming on to post that I had given up on making this work, I have very little skill as a programmer, and my efforts so far had brought me nothing but frustration and waste a lot of my time. Instead I see somebody called j0t has solved the problem very nicely. I never even got close, and I don't like to keep fighting a losing fight. BTW, I just tried his wrapper on version 8.0.6 and it works fine on that as well. I have already patched all the files so they no longer say "unsupported operating system" each time you load them. Now that somebody has it working, I will put together a package in the next few days which patches all the files, deals with the DLL and wrapper, and if possible includes a registry file so that you will be able to click on version 8 projects and have them automatically open just like they should. DD4DA, the activation servers being gone is no problem for Windows 7, there are simple activation cracks out there for everything from Windows 2000 up to the latest version 11, I know because I've tried many of them and they work well. As for security issues with Windows 7, I am sure you are correct that it is not as secure as the newer OSs, but that doesn't seem to be a problem. I am writing a server here that is constantly connected to the public Internet, it runs Windows 7, never a problem. I also have a few other Windows 7 machines myself, and I have several friends who do not wish to upgrade, none of us have ever had any infections. Intelligence about opening emails from people you don't know, or visiting shady sites, goes a long way to protect yourself. As to improvements in Windows 10/11, yes they are definitely better under the hood, I don't say night and day, but there are definitely improvements. However, I still prefer the looks of Windows 7. But that is not the reason I have not switched. I will say that in the user interface there are several things that are objectively worse in Windows 10 than seven, and even worse yet in Windows 11. There are so many places where menu items are just poorly placed. Too many things were some settings are one side of the screen, and for closely related settings you have to jump all the way to the other side of the screen. And you have less fine control over Windows defender in the newer OSs. BTW, for any who believe you are forced to use an online account with Windows 11, this is not true. I was recently playing around with The latest version, 24 H2, and it can be set up with an off-line account. It will not present you with the option to do this, but with a few tricks and a magic command, you can still have your off-line account. Also, you can switch back to the old style right-click context menu and the old-style start menu with a couple of pieces of free software. Maybe even get back borders that look like the old Aero glass in Windows 7. I have not tested any of these yet for stability, but will be doing so soon. Unfortunately, I am probably not going to be running Windows 7 on my primary computer much longer. It is still a decent running system, but it's from 2008 and uses DDR2 memory. The old Q9450 processor Is still plenty powerful for anything I do, but I am stuck with 8GB of memory. More than needed for most people, But I have quite a few background programs running, usually have 20 or 30 tabs open in Chrome, several documents open in Acrobat, KiCad open, etc. Sometimes when I turn the voice dictation on, it may take a minute before it starts responding. So I am putting together a new system, using the core ultra 265K and probably 192 GB of RAM. Sadly I don't think I will be able to find drivers for Windows 7 for most of the hardware on the new motherboard, and I am sure that Windows 7 will not know how to deal with the P and E cores. Although, if it is bad enough, I may just use Windows 11 for the host machine and continue using Windows 7 in a VM. |
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