Download always take me to the commercial site from the ORG page
Download always take me to the commercial site from the ORG pageAin't no such thing. Someone's messing with your rowser.
This is is a consulting business they have. It is legit, just developers trying to make money in a way that does not affect the product at all. And they don't offer any different versions or licenses, they offer paid support and design help.
But I don't see any redirect to it, just the fundraising banner that has their logo. All download links are still where they should be.
Kicad runs a donation drive, and that company Kicad services is matching donations. It says so on the top of the page, this is how it looks in my browser.
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/kicad/kicad-license-or-free/?action=dlattach;attach=1659754;image)
The download page looks like the other picture in the list of pictures in the footer (not worth placing it inline).
The windows download page looks like this , and you can see the area of the page where if you click it will go to that site on the ribbon / banner. Maybe you have a monitor with a very low resolution, with very little vertical space ex 1336x768 or 1280x800, which would make that ribbon / banner go all the way down?
Press F12 to open developer tools, click on the Inspect button (in the corner of that developer tools section), move mouse over the ribbon and then
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/kicad/kicad-license-or-free/?action=dlattach;attach=1659748;image)
Yes, it looks like they just have busted layout and that banner is bigger logically than it is visually on the download page. I don't think it is malice, just an oversight.I disagree. It's 100% intentional. I never noticed it, as the Ubuntu page is not affected. But on the Windows download page, all download and other links point to kipro-pcb.
They used the same graphic as for the ribbon on the main page, but the ribbon is visually disabled. But the hit box remained big.
It also goes away if you dismiss the whole donation banner.
Ideally this needs to be reported and fixed, but I could not find any obvious contact info.
I don't see that on my end. Windows download page (https://www.kicad.org/download/windows/ (https://www.kicad.org/download/windows/)) the first listed link is https://osdn.net/projects/kicad/storage/kicad-6.0.9-x86_64.exe (https://osdn.net/projects/kicad/storage/kicad-6.0.9-x86_64.exe)Try hovering over "64-bit (recommended)" and "6.0.9". Those are direct links to kipro-pcb. Don't tell me that's not intended.
It is not intended. There is literally an explanation for why this happens in this thread. This is a shitty web design, but not malice.
The same exact thing happens on all pages of the site that have donation banner, not just windows one.
Operating Systems
Windows
We support Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10.
...
What about 32-bit support?
We support both 32-bit as well as 64-bit systems.
Might be worth someone's while to pay for KiPro:Quote from: https://www.kipro-pcb.com/main/subscribe/Operating Systems
Windows
We support Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10.
...
What about 32-bit support?
We support both 32-bit as well as 64-bit systems.
OTOH, doesn't say a lot for their services if they're not even current with the stuff they develop.
I don't get any kipro link, on Windows here? Using Firefox. The only thing that appears when you click a download link is a a suggestion to donate, on the same page. No redirection and no requirement to do anything.
I don't see that on my end. Windows download page (https://www.kicad.org/download/windows/ (https://www.kicad.org/download/windows/)) the first listed link is https://osdn.net/projects/kicad/storage/kicad-6.0.9-x86_64.exe (https://osdn.net/projects/kicad/storage/kicad-6.0.9-x86_64.exe)Try hovering over "64-bit (recommended)" and "6.0.9". Those are direct links to kipro-pcb. Don't tell me that's not intended.
Might be worth someone's while to pay for KiPro:So I asked and, yes, they support W7 with the current V6 (but with some loss of Python ability). So that alone might be justification for the sub, depending on price, of course.Quote from: https://www.kipro-pcb.com/main/subscribe/Operating Systems
Windows
We support Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10.
winget install KiCad.KiCadSo far the trend seems opposite: with more and more people in Linux community considering curl http://software.example/install.sh (http://software.example/install.sh) | sudo bash to be perfectly fine.(1)
Being paranoid with computers is a good thing. I don't know why you're taking it as an insult.
I also don't know of any examples of "get url and pipe directly to sudo bash" other than the infinitely shitty ecosystem of Node.js. rustup.rs (http://rustup.rs) by comparison just pipes sh.rustup.rs to an ordinary bash (not root).
Nobody really answered the original question? Well here comes:
QuoteNobody really answered the original question? Well here comes:
I don't think you answered the question either, which was essentially why the chap got sent to the subs website when it's meant to be free - clearly, 'license' in that question meant 'costs money'.
The correct answer is that subscribing buys you custom support. It's nothing to do with licensing.
I have always found linux difficult and the answer generally boils down to: "because that is the way we like it because it keeps the riff raff like you out"
That is a bit too harsh. IMHO a lot of people expect Linux to work the same as DOS / Windows and thus think they are able to install Linux and get going right of the bat. That isn't going to work. You'll need to learn how to use Linux. It is the same with any piece of software. If you are well versed in using KiCad, you still won't be able to use Orcad or Altium to the same level within a day.I have always found linux difficult and the answer generally boils down to: "because that is the way we like it because it keeps the riff raff like you out"
That may be how you interpret it. Let's put it another way: There's no practical benefit to making tools less capable. You just make less capable users.
I wish people stopped downloading random things from the web.
Even Microsoft is trying to implement a package downloader. In powershell, you can type:Code: [Select]winget install KiCad.KiCad
("winget upgrade" is also very nice)
On your favorite Linux distribution this has of course worked forever.
It's not like the OP was trying to download KiCad from voodoosoftshit.biz ::)It says "Server not found".
While it's a great feature of Linux distributions, I don't think I'd ever want something like this on a commercial OS.Totally agree.
It's great on Linux because it's open-source and managed by open-source and decentralized communities. But the idea of having Microsoft controlling all my software installations and updates? No thanks.
And it's nothing new. It's the idea behind app stores, MS have been having one for years now. winget doesn't sound like much better than a geekified version of their appstore.
[...]Corporate IT simply has to protect against a: The most stupid internal user, and b: the most malicious internal user. And most corporate IT departments lack the manpower to quickly implement workarounds or exceptions for specific users.
It depends, I keep being blocked at work for trying to open websites that breaks some rule in the over the top firewall at work. Connecting to my own hosted emails takes forever, I have so many problems with computers at work that I simply never have at home while not having the issues at home that apparently all of this paranoia protects me from.
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Not quite sure what it has to do with the thread. People are talking about KiCad's official web site. It's not random things. It's not like the OP was trying to download KiCad from voodoosoftshit.biz ::)
While it's a great feature of Linux distributions, I don't think I'd ever want something like this on a commercial OS.
It's great on Linux because it's open-source and managed by open-source and decentralized communities. But the idea of having Microsoft controlling all my software installations and updates? No thanks.
And it's nothing new. It's the idea behind app stores, MS have been having one for years now. winget doesn't sound like much better than a geekified version of their appstore.
Perhaps you need to drop it! several of us have explained several times! GO AWAY!!!QuoteNobody really answered the original question? Well here comes:
I don't think you answered the question either, which was essentially why the chap got sent to the subs website when it's meant to be free - clearly, 'license' in that question meant 'costs money'.
The correct answer is that subscribing buys you custom support. It's nothing to do with licensing.
Still not sure what the point of your post was though.I read PlainName's post #38 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/kicad/kicad-license-or-free/msg4631071/#msg4631071) as a response to JohanH's post #35 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/kicad/kicad-license-or-free/msg4630792/#msg4630792) as, paraphrasing, "No, OP got linked to kipro-pcb.com (as discussed in previous posts), which sell paid support for KiCAD; so this has nothing to do with how KiCAD itself is licensed". Previous messages having established that OP got confused by clicking on something they thought was a link to the download page, but was actually part of the poorly made support drive page to kipro-pcb.com –– the link fortunately subsequently fixed.
I'm a KiCad developer. Couldn't care less.The reason I'd be angry is that it is likely to start circulating rumours that one has to pay for KiCAD. You know, the FUD factor. Hijacking the download link to a promotion/paid link, possibly misleading users. Was it intentional, "hoping" to catch users just trying to download KiCAD, or just a horribly badly made HTML+CSS that nobody tested before pushing online?