Anybody familiar with Samsung CP45FV P&P machine ?

[jmelson]

There's a Samsung CP45FV available at auction where I am.  I have a Philips (Yamaha) CSM84 that I've been using for 12 years, but it has no vision and isn't accurate enough for SSOP and 0.5mm QFPs.  But, I don't know a lot about either the mechanical or programming side of the Samsung.  Anybody used one?

Thanks,

Jon

[SMdude]

Can't say I've used one, but I would be checking to see what feeders and other parts are available for them. If parts are easy to come by, then it is worth buying(for the right price). You'll figure out the programming side of things. It has to be easier than my Juki KE730!

[jmelson]

Can't say I've used one, but I would be checking to see what feeders and other parts are available for them. If parts are easy to come by, then it is worth buying(for the right price). You'll figure out the programming side of things. It has to be easier than my Juki KE730!

They have 56 feeders in 14 lots separate from the machine.  The feeders are starting at a pretty low bid, the machine is at $1000, I'm the only bid so far.  Since it is an older machine (not the "NEO" version) the "pro" shops may be less interested.  I'm going out to inspect it on Tuesday, and check out what tape sizes they have feeders for, whether the manuals can go with it, and make sure the support PC goes with it or can be found.

There is a next generation Samsung P&P also in the same auction, and it has several bids already.

Well, we will see what happens.

Thanks,

Jon

[jmelson]

Well, I was bidding on the CP45FV, which uses single-phase power, old-school feeders, but otherwise REALLY sophicticated, 6 nozzles, 6 2D cameras on the head for centering.  Ohh, that sure looked like a NICE machine.
But, then somebody sniped all the feeders, even though the bidding system was supposed to prevent that.
And, then the machine started to get real expensive, at least for me.  So, then I started bidding on the later machine that required 3-phase power, which I don't have, so I'd have to hack something.  That machine went even higher, way out of my price range.  And, then, I ended up getting stuck with about 17 feeders and no machine.  I'm trying to get hold of the guy who bought the machine and see if he wants the feeders that I got stuck with.

So, back to SMTnet and other places looking for a machine that will get me better placement accuracy than my Philips CSM84.

Jon

[SMTech]

Annoying. Before we went for Essemtec one of the offers that came our way was a bundle of 2xCP45V with feeders possibly also some other line items, delivered and installed for £75K or something close to that. Given the cost of much more advanced modern Hanwhas it wouldn't be wise to spend very large sums on older machines.

I think however they were the right class, along with similar Yamahas & slightly more updated Philips/Assembleon, Juki KE. If you can make the space MyData MY9/12/15 would be excellent, there's always loads of them in the UK and similar market types would suggest the US should have a few kicking about too. Same with Europlacer although I think they are less common if you go back a bit. And of course Universal GSMs should be pretty prolific too. If you don't need speed Essemtec do have fairly accurate machines that could be worth looking out for, they don't remove support for older models which is nice and they are much less intimidating to use than some (feeders expensive tho').  You'd probably be looking at FLX2011 or later.

[jmelson]

Well, with a little more poking around, two machines that look quite promising are the Samsung CP40 and the Philips Eclipse.
Both modest size, 2 nozzles with ANE and line-scan flying vision.  Also, both single-phase.  Modest speeds, but they are going to
end up faster than my CSM84 because almost every part can use the flying vision.  Unfortunately, the Eclipse is so old there are few machine on the market anymore, and maybe the CP40 is in about the same shape.

I was lucky to find a manual online for the Samsung CP45FV NEO that is a slightly newer version of the machine in the auction (a non-NEO machine).  The management program was excellent, I was TOTALLY impressed by that!  It was MILES ahead of the Philips text-only screens for programming.  I don't know what the CP40 programming looks like, haven't found a manual I could view yet, but if it is similar to the CP45, then that would be a major factor in favor of the Samsung.  Anyway, after reading the manual, I went to the auction preview and fired up the machine, and poked around in the menus quite a bit.  I couldn't do much more, as they didn't have the compressed air turned on.

I've made more inquiries at SMTnet, we'll wait to see if those turn up anything interesting.

Jon

[jmelson]

So, the Samsung CP45FV was way more machine than I really need.  But, there's also the CP40, and Quad resells a Samsung machine as their QSA-30.  With the fixed vision camera, that is the QSA-30V, which looks really nice from the specs.  That would probably do what I need.
Anybody have experience with the Quad QSA-30, especially with the V option?  I'm definitely interested in the programming and vision training aspects.

Thanks in advance for any info,

Jon

[bimmerman12]

I have 3 Samsung CP45FV NEOs for sale are you still in the market if so PM me for more details.

[jmelson]

I have 3 Samsung CP45FV NEOs for sale are you still in the market if so PM me for more details.

Nope, sorry, I got a Quad QSA-30A (based on Samsung CP30) for a song, and then spent a small fortune getting it fixed up and fitted out with feeders, etc.
So, I've made my investment and have to make it work, now.

Jon