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Electronics => Manufacturing & Assembly => Topic started by: yanir on January 31, 2012, 08:30:47 pm

Title: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: yanir on January 31, 2012, 08:30:47 pm
Has anyone ever heard of a PCB fab house requesting the schematic of a design as standard practice for PCB manufacturing in any circumstance?
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: armandas on January 31, 2012, 08:50:38 pm
Where did you find such a dodgy manufacturer? Just for fun, send them an email asking to sign an NDA and see what happens :D
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: wkb on January 31, 2012, 09:37:46 pm
Where did you find such a dodgy manufacturer? Just for fun, send them an email asking to sign an NDA and see what happens :D

Lemme guess: in PRC?
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: EEVblog on January 31, 2012, 09:43:40 pm
Nope. My spidey sense tells me you are being swindled...

Dave.
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: yanir on January 31, 2012, 10:04:02 pm
I can't get into details. but someone told me that was common practice and used it as an excuse for a "problem" that occurred.
No chance this is done for high complexity boards? (not that mine is)
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on January 31, 2012, 10:28:37 pm
Unlikely but not inconcievable that it may be helpful for bare-board test.
Obviously if they are populating, testing and faultfinding then they would want a schematic.
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: yanir on January 31, 2012, 10:44:37 pm
Unlikely but not inconcievable that it may be helpful for bare-board test.
Obviously if they are populating, testing and faultfinding then they would want a schematic.


Yes, if they are doing all that it makes sense, but for PCB fab only it I've never been asked for one in other situations.
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: janekm on February 01, 2012, 01:27:51 am
I did once see a reference to performing flying probe testing of multi-layer HDI boards against the schematic net list so it does exist, but it's certainly not common...
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: yanir on February 01, 2012, 05:59:07 pm
So it seems that it would make sense under certain circumstances, but normally not needed. Sounds more like it would be by request only and not standard practice.
Would people agree?
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: jahonen on February 01, 2012, 06:02:19 pm
For bare board testing, one could supply an IPC-D365A netlist for test purposes. Schematic is not necessary.

Regards, Janne
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: EEVblog on February 01, 2012, 09:53:33 pm
So it seems that it would make sense under certain circumstances, but normally not needed. Sounds more like it would be by request only and not standard practice.
Would people agree?

Yep, exactly.
Just tell them no. They can have a netlist if they need it.

Dave.
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: amspire on February 01, 2012, 10:46:45 pm
If they get difficult, send them a schematic, but change all the parts. Make every resistor a 1 ohm 0.01% value, and change all the ic part numbers to a NE555. All of the capacitors can become inductors.

Richard
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: Mechatrommer on February 02, 2012, 05:47:36 am
If they get difficult, send them a schematic, but change all the parts. Make every resistor a 1 ohm 0.01% value, and change all the ic part numbers to a NE555. All of the capacitors can become inductors.
you are so willing to entertain your fab house with this kind of hardwork ;)
i will just ask why if its so difficult testing the pcb, tell them just use the gerber you id**t!
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: EEVblog on February 02, 2012, 06:48:38 am
If they get difficult, send them a schematic, but change all the parts. Make every resistor a 1 ohm 0.01% value, and change all the ic part numbers to a NE555. All of the capacitors can become inductors.

Nice!
Make it subtle to leave them guessing...

Dave.
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: DrGeoff on February 02, 2012, 06:57:32 am
You could tell them to download it off the Internet. Seems everything else is there these days :)
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: PCBCORE on February 07, 2012, 09:58:43 am
we never ask Schematic for fab, it's no needed, just ask your manufacturer why need it.

PCBCORE
Rachel
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: Randall W. Lott on February 28, 2012, 03:58:55 am
That's like a plumber wanting to know what kind of wood you used to build your walls.  I wouldn't be comfortable if they asked me that.  Be careful.
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: yanir on February 28, 2012, 02:51:24 pm
Yeah it didn't make sense to me either.
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: JuKu on February 28, 2012, 02:55:01 pm
That's more like a plumber wanting to know the code to your combination lock.
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: Randall W. Lott on February 28, 2012, 07:29:35 pm
That's more like a plumber wanting to know the code to your combination lock.

That's a better analogy  ;).
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: UME-pcb-manufacturer on March 28, 2012, 01:26:32 pm

it only needs gerber files transfered by your disgn software. it's okay. No schematic.
you know gerber file? which is individual pattern layer, like conductor, soldermask, silksceen, outline, nc-drill...etc.
Title: Re: Do PCB Fab houses ever need Schematic?
Post by: drewtronics on May 24, 2012, 06:46:15 pm
I had a local assembly house (USA) ask for a schematic for a project I was having assembled. I kind of questioned their skills and they later admitted that they would be hand assembling everything, not using a pick and place like I requested. Asking for a schematic screamed sketchy business to me then, and still does now.