@SMTech
Thanks for your PnP suggestions.
We considered the TWS Quadra, but the accuracy placement is at 100μm, which is not the best result.
I have sent enquiries about used Essemtec FLX but always used equipment carries a risk and in the end something may be wrong. To avoid unpleasant surprises you need to have experience and check the machine well before buying it, which unfortunately is not always possible.
Autotronik looks ok, I am waiting for an offer from the distributor.
My (and not only my) opinion about Mechatronika is negative, I am not going to buy a machine from them because of their approach to the customer.
@Mangozac
We realise that a large machine is more stable and therefore has a number of advantages, but unfortunately we are not in a position to put something this large in our production facility.
The doorway is 90 cm wide, so we should be able to fit several of the machines mentioned above. We have learned that it is often possible to split the machine into two or more pieces, which makes it much easier to move.
I think we will overrun Mechatronika until the end of this year (from a commercial point of view), meaning replacing their pick and place head with a multihead version and offering single feeders for their machines. So the main machine doesn't have to be moved but can be upgraded to something meaningful. We've had the software done a few years ago already, but the feeders are unfixable; Plastic tapes just won't work reliable without a hack with their stub push feeders, and the setup time is too terrible. The block feeders are driven by a single nema 17 stepper (16 lanes), and retracting the push stub is done via gravity; plastic tapes can seriously jam the entire block.
The gantry controller can stay the same, but they're only dodging in Delta motors nowadays.
We are about to finish electronic single feeders (CNC milling/yamaha compatible but with a mechatronica compatible protocol since the volume certainly won't be that big). So far we have milled around 30 pieces (large stepper + gear and sprocket driven, 11.5mm thick).
Their gantry system is okay, and replacing the camera system isn't a big deal (I'm from that industry field).
From my experience, be sure that the feeders are okay, they're such a keypart for any pick and place machine and obviously good feeders are more difficult to design than the entire machine because things are much smaller and basically everything there is customized.
Mechatronika is and always has been a disgrace for this industry. Who else will sell pick and place head controllers without bypass capacitors... any engineer should know what that means next to a microcontroller. They even dared to deliver a machine with slightly loose pulley on the Y axis which made the entire gantry to oscillate (not a single time they commented that issue nor investigated that issue but put the problem that the user has no training and it's his fault). It required to lift heavy parts from the machine...
Last but not least the owners are >65 years old; which means they just take what comes in but no further.
Ontop of that the resellers / distributors charge like 500 EUR a year for some service that is absolutely not needed. Yes make things unnecessary complicated so customers have to get back to you... I mean if there's value behind it it shall be okay but there's no value behind that because the product is not engineered well enough
Pay attention that if you have to pay some service fee that there's real value behind that.