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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2019, 10:56:14 pm »
The best 'rule' is "Never Assume", what it means.   
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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2019, 08:02:28 pm »
We purchased and have received two SMT660s.  We are just starting to play with one of them.  I will update this thread with our experience.

I love to hear all that xdave has done with his.  We are very interested in using some of our in-house software developers to do what xdave has described as far as modifying the .NET WinForms code - especially the down facing camera and the library functions. 

xdave - we would love to get in contact with you for some help on this front.  You can contact us at info@aed.pro

 

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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2019, 07:10:57 am »
Does anyone here owns a SMT550. I'm asking them about the height of the machine without the alarm and the legs so I can be sure it could go through my 80 cm door but answer is not that clear and convincing). Stated as 90×114×90cm (which won't go through the door). I know if I lay it sideways, probably it could but if and only if the alarm and the legs can be taken out (and shave off more than 10 cm of the 90 cm).
 

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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2019, 09:43:39 pm »
Does anyone here owns a SMT550.
From my conversation with  SMT it looks like You will be the first who buy SMT550 in USA.
 
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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2019, 07:55:10 am »
Does anyone here owns a SMT550.
From my conversation with  SMT it looks like You will be the first who buy SMT550 in USA.
Dropping by their SZ office although they only have SMT660 and SMT880 there. But, it will give a good insight on the machine and the software. No more buying a machine without actually seeing one with my eyes. I like the fact they admit the machines are from Beijing Huawei Guochuang.
 

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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2019, 08:38:16 am »
They told me they are the manufacturer even though i didn't ask them. SMT550 sell only in China, they have no machines in Europe or US. Those who bought SMT660 are mostly satisfied.
 

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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2019, 05:24:32 am »
Just came back from Shenzhen and managed to visit Huawei Beijing Guochang's branch office in Shenzhen (manufacturer of the SMT550/SMT660/SMT880, Wenzhou YingXing is the legitimate distributor outside of China as clarified by them). It's a tiny office further away from the Shenzhen city center while their factory is in Beijing. Took a Didi (like your Uber and Grab elsewhere in the world) from the nearest metro station for the first time but was going into wrong building (YingXing sales representative gave an image of the large building next to it!  :palm:). I was fortunate that a SMT550 has just arrived at this place although it is not being set up yet. And YES, I managed to measure the height of the SMT550   :-+. Without the feet and alarm light, it is around 77.5 cm which gives me around 2.5 cm of margin to go through my 80 cm door. Moving on the machine, it is a very solid and well built machine. Even the bottom is fully enclosed with no dangling and exposed wires. It could do down to 0201 like it's bigger brother SMT660 and SMT880 when the electric feeder (also Yamaha but I'm not sure what series is being used) is being used. It also supports the usual pneumatic Yamaha CL feeder up to 50 8mm. It also has rails and can be cascaded to other machine. Maximum component height is 8 mm. The software is exactly same like the SMT660 and SMT880. So, it's easy to migrate between different sizes of the machines. Here are some shot of the SMT550 (un-powered though).

Rather than running the place solely as a showroom only and collecting dust, they actually run small PCBA services to the local market. There are 2 SMT880, 1 SMT660 and a SMT460 (obsolete and no longer offered and it is surprisingly as huge as the SMT880 and SMT660!). They cascaded a SMT880 and SMT660 in a line together with a semi-automatic stencil printer. They were assembling some ESP32 board that has components down to 0402, SOT-23-6, SOT-23, QFN-48 0.4mm. Throughout my 1 hour there, I took a look at those assembled panels from time to time to see how the placement accuracy fare. They are very accurate and spot on.

I did drop by NEPCON Shenzhen 2019 too on this trip, although machine from ZhengBang are cheaper but it comes with less feeder and belt configuration (ZB3545TP, not published yet on anywhere at this time of writing). ZhengBang used to OEM from Huawei Beijing Guochang for the past few years but starting from 2019, they are on their own. Charmhigh was also there were showcasing their new huge machine (6 and 8 head that uses electronic feeder) which are totally out of my budget and of course that space constraint. Other machines on display are from the regular big boys (Yamaha, Panasonic, Juki, Autronik) are again out of my scope and requirements.

I will probably get the SMT550 to replace my current machine. At USD7500, it definitely has better features than many machine even those priced well above it. Ball screw with pneumatic and electronics feeder, rails. At least, both Huawei Beijing Guochang and YingXing are upfront about their business relationship and that is fine with me. As long I get the proper support, I am more than happy. The flight, visa and accommodation only cost me around USD300 from Malaysia to Shenzhen and I'm glad I took the short trip!
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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2019, 02:01:02 am »
$300 well spent.   A similar trip for me is about $1500.    On the face of it they look quite resonably built.  It would really come down the software i suppose.



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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2019, 07:52:27 am »
I brought directly from Hua Wei Guochang, I find them more honest then their so-called partner YX. I now own a T6SG, a 6 head version. I have no problems with this machine, works fine, goes down to 0201 with no problem (you have to use electric feeder instead of pnuematic ones for 0201) So i'll say this is one of the better chinese made machines. However that being said, i do hope they improve on the software UI/UX...

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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2019, 01:26:49 pm »
I brought directly from Hua Wei Guochang, I find them more honest then their so-called partner YX. I now own a T6SG, a 6 head version. I have no problems with this machine, works fine, goes down to 0201 with no problem (you have to use electric feeder instead of pnuematic ones for 0201) So i'll say this is one of the better chinese made machines. However that being said, i do hope they improve on the software UI/UX...

James

You are based in MY? Quo of Huawei Guochang did mention about you. I didn't know that we could buy direct from them and I didn't ask him as it sounds like an awkward question knowing that I came through the contact of YX.
 

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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2019, 12:29:58 am »
I brought directly from Hua Wei Guochang, I find them more honest then their so-called partner YX. I now own a T6SG, a 6 head version. I have no problems with this machine, works fine, goes down to 0201 with no problem (you have to use electric feeder instead of pnuematic ones for 0201) So i'll say this is one of the better chinese made machines. However that being said, i do hope they improve on the software UI/UX...

James

Thats interesting..   I Checked up YX, and the street address on their website, doe not match teh big flash building displayed on their website.   Those kind of thigns get you instantly disqualified in my purchasing decisions..  If they are operating out of a differnet building, and the product is fine, its a non issue.. But pretending like that is just dumb.   A quick google maps look up and your done.

Have you got a contact for Hua Wei Guochang

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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2019, 08:31:07 am »
"I brought directly from Hua Wei Guochang, I find them more honest then their so-called partner YX."

Have You some contact email address? I try with form from web site  but they don't answer.
 

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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2019, 06:16:20 am »
I notice that Robotdigg is also selling these machines - for a slight premium and without the "default" bundled feeder package that XY throws in...
https://www.robotdigg.com/product/1185/China-new-generation-Pick-and-Place-Machine-with-Electric-Feeders

Anyone have experience there?

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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2019, 09:18:19 am »
Hello,

I have a question to the YingYang SMTxxx P&P users.
We just acquired a SMT550 and we are learning how to use it.
The user manual is very basic.
In order to prepare somewhat our parts centroïds *.csv file for the SMT550,
i am writing a small utility program to strip the contents from unecessary information.

My question : I would like to know if the SMTxxx soft automatically rotate or not polarized components
depending of the feeder location, front or rear.

Thanks,
Eddy.
 
 

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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2019, 10:53:55 am »
My question : I would like to know if the SMTxxx soft automatically rotate or not polarized components
depending of the feeder location, front or rear.
I don't have the answer but I would certainly hope your P&P would do that, otherwise I consider it a complete piece of junk. Compensating rotation based on feeder location (front or back) should not be a user problem to solve.
 
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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2019, 08:35:57 pm »
My question : I would like to know if the SMTxxx soft automatically rotate or not polarized components
depending of the feeder location, front or rear.
I don't have the answer but I would certainly hope your P&P would do that, otherwise I consider it a complete piece of junk. Compensating rotation based on feeder location (front or back) should not be a user problem to solve.
The $100K Philips CSM-84 that I have does not do this, either.  If you are going to put a feeder on the back rail, you have to add/subtract 180 degrees to/from the rotation angle you would use on the front rail.  As long as you are well aware of this, it is no problem.

Jon
 
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Re: Pick & Place with conveyor, 0201, CL Feeders
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2019, 10:21:41 pm »
The $100K Philips CSM-84 that I have does not do this, either.  If you are going to put a feeder on the back rail, you have to add/subtract 180 degrees to/from the rotation angle you would use on the front rail.  As long as you are well aware of this, it is no problem.
But I would imagine this is encoded in the pick location data rather than the component location centroids data?
 
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