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Offline jmelson

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Re: Mouser Decline?
« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2021, 03:55:09 pm »
I ordered some stuff from Digi-Key on Wednesday afternoon, no shipping info emailed to me.  So, now Monday, I called, and they could not even give me any idea when it will ship!  YIKES!  So, that order has now been sitting for nearly 4 whole days.

As for Covid, it looks like the virus is wearing out.  I think this is a well-known thing, that infectious agents in pandemics become MORE infectious, but LESS harmful, over time.  The number of deaths in Missouri have been in a STEEP decline since middle February (now a 20:1 drop), and now the general US death rate also seems to be falling rapidly (about halving every week.)
I think it is too early to attribute this to vaccines.

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« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2021, 04:32:15 pm »

The virus is probably running out of victims naturally:  all those who are least resistant and behave the worst in terms of propagation will have been covered by now.

The vaccine is still important, especially to those who have low resistance and have got this far due to good behaviour! :D
 

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« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2021, 04:34:42 pm »
I ordered some stuff from Digi-Key on Wednesday afternoon, no shipping info emailed to me.  So, now Monday, I called, and they could not even give me any idea when it will ship!  YIKES!  So, that order has now been sitting for nearly 4 whole days.

As for Covid, it looks like the virus is wearing out.  I think this is a well-known thing, that infectious agents in pandemics become MORE infectious, but LESS harmful, over time.  The number of deaths in Missouri have been in a STEEP decline since middle February (now a 20:1 drop), and now the general US death rate also seems to be falling rapidly (about halving every week.)
I think it is too early to attribute this to vaccines.

Jon

Possibly the wrong metrics to be looking at, the world has had over a year to understand this disease and how to treat it. We're almost all testing more and treating earlier and more effectively. There remain widespread restrictions on mixing, masks travel etc, these are the things along with a little herd immunity either from vaccine or prior contact, that are currently limiting the spread and hence reducing deaths. There isn't yet any sign of a significant less contagious or aggressive strain, instead we seem to be tracking several that are worse. Look beyond your borders and you can see glimmers of hope in places like Europe getting crushed as they roll back limits too quickly, again.

Globally the response should have been quicker and more decisive in the beginning, we're all sick of this crap.
 

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Re: Mouser Decline?
« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2021, 04:39:30 pm »
I ordered some stuff from Digi-Key on Wednesday afternoon, no shipping info emailed to me.  So, now Monday, I called, and they could not even give me any idea when it will ship!  YIKES!  So, that order has now been sitting for nearly 4 whole days.
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I ended up sourcing the stuff I needed on eBay and canceling my DigiKey order.

The cool thing about eBay is that is is de-centralized...   there are thousands of vendors, you just need to find one that is still alive and kicking!  :D

I've noticed that time and time again during the pandemic crisis that the small eBay vendors are often more "on the ball" than the big guys.

Hooray for diversity and redundancy! 



 

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Re: Mouser Decline?
« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2021, 04:41:43 pm »
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Globally the response should have been quicker and more decisive in the beginning, we're all sick of this crap.

Yeah, mostly Asian countries got the speed and scale of reaction right.  We sleepwalked into a much worse problem than it needed to have been.
 

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« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2021, 04:43:13 pm »
I ordered some stuff from Digi-Key on Wednesday afternoon, no shipping info emailed to me.  So, now Monday, I called, and they could not even give me any idea when it will ship!  YIKES!  So, that order has now been sitting for nearly 4 whole days.

Digikey did work yesterday Sunday as they sent me the tracking # on a order that was not previously picked.

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As for Covid, it looks like the virus is wearing out.  I think this is a well-known thing, that infectious agents in pandemics become MORE infectious, but LESS harmful, over time.  The number of deaths in Missouri have been in a STEEP decline since middle February (now a 20:1 drop), and now the general US death rate also seems to be falling rapidly (about halving every week.)
I think it is too early to attribute this to vaccines.

Covid now will follow the same pattern as flu, high peaks in cold months and that's all
 

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Re: Mouser Decline?
« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2021, 07:25:04 pm »
pft, not where I work.

In theory what should happen is the tracing people should be in contact, they'll ask about prolonged contact and existing precautions, and recommend anyone who meets their criteria self isolate. However in theory providing your workplace has measures in place (which are required) nobody should really fall into that window. In our devolved region HSE would not deem masks as acceptable, but 2m+ a screen is. Its not exactly a surprise tho' that the biggest high profile outbreak outside of food processing is a government institution with outdated systems, hot-desking in crowded offices in a deprived area.

Everyones rules are different but I think the biggest impact of a workplace outbreak isn't whether people want your goods, or the disruption, it's the perceived quality of care you provide for your staff.

my employer is hopeless, they always follow the law as loosely as they can and adhere to the bare minimum. Nothing has been done yet about the noise as covid arrived. The proposal was instead of making the noise levels lower by say putting booths around the machines that everyone wear noise cancelling earphones as this is clearly cheaper. Those wanting the type that has an input jack for music can have it but will have to pay the difference themselves.

When covid broke out they made arrangements at the last minute, they bought hand sanitizer but this was alcohol free at a time when it was said that this type was ineffective. other than sticking notices up about what to do taken from guidelines they have done nothing. So it's OK for people to pile into the toilets together for example. Where I work you can't treat people like adults, they act like children. The only saving grace is that the government said that people who can work from home must so the office is never more than half full. They were so slow to react that by the time they had sorted out a 2 team solution to halve the office population they were having to tell everyone to work from home anyway. There is no system of office workers checking that it is OK to come in so in theory it is possible that all 10 could decide to come in on the same day.

The only reason we have not been more affected on the manufacturing is that people work alone in large spaces so have no working reason to come within 5m of each other.

My boss commented on how is was easy it is to bump into someone (literally) in a corridor, I pointed out that it could be made one way as there is an alternate route, he sort of agreed but nothing happened, i doubt the MD can be bothered with the idea.

Our quality manager forwarded some health and safety information to the MD about air recirculation from air conditioning. The information in itself was pretty wishy washy but at least it raised the point. The MD just forwarded it to everyone, i replied asking what was the decision and go no reply. 10 of us share on AC system, you can't leave it up to individual choice, you have to make a decision at company level, nothing, some of us open the office window to help keep the air changing over.

It was only because I cased a fire regulations issue by propping doors open to avoid sharing the door handles that the decision was made after a discussion between the sales manager that agreed but realised this could not be done willy nilly and the MD who agreed that it was a sensible non observance of fire regulations to protect from a greater risk that we would keep them propped open from then on.
 

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« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2021, 02:11:25 am »
I have been a frequent Mouser customer for at least a decade and don't blame them for the recent shipping delays since I have had similar issues with vendors across the board and I realize things have been tough with COVID, Texas power outages, etc. What I have found very concerning though is that Mouser appears to be selling my data to 3rd parties, including information about the items I ordered. I recently received a spam call from an electronics supplier I've never heard of, mentioning that they saw that I purchased a specific model of zener diode (purchase I made on Mouser) and asked if I am interested in ordering components from them. Today I received a request on Linked In asking me if I was interested in ordering Nordic NRF52840s (I recently bought an NRF520840 dev board on Mouser). I don't recall ever agreeing to Mouser selling my data (I'm sure it's hidden somewhere in the fine print), but really think it is a dick move to do this. Has anyone else experienced this?

Edit: I guess that this could also be Google selling my data from the email receipts, but I have not seen this issue with Digikey, Newark, etc.
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Re: Mouser Decline?
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2021, 03:33:23 am »
That does not make any sense, mouser selling your information so they can lose you as a customer. Either someone on the inside is doing that, or somehow your email is compromised ( and there are various ways this can happen).
 
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« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2021, 04:34:01 am »
They're all doing it- sharing your private information to third-parties, affiliates etc. in the name of analytics and targeted advertising.
Read Digi-Key's Privacy Statement and it's:
"... we and our third party service providers or partners may collect certain information automatically from your device."
"... may include information like your IP address, device type, unique device identification numbers, browser-type, operating system, date and time of visit, referring website, the search engine queries used to get to our website, broad geographic location (e.g. country or city-level location), and other technical information..."

"We may disclose your personal information to .... our related companies and third party suppliers, partners and services providers (for example, to support the delivery or drop shipment of products ordered, to provide functionality on, or help to enhance our services or the security of our website, to provide advertising services and web analytics, or for order fulfilment or market research purposes), or to those who otherwise process personal information for purposes that are described in this Privacy Notice or notified to you when we collect your personal information. "
 

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Re: Mouser Decline?
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2021, 05:11:44 am »
Mouser selling my data (I'm sure it's hidden somewhere in the fine print), but really think it is a dick move to do this. Has anyone else experienced this?

I've never experienced anything like this.
 

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« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2021, 05:53:39 am »
I ordered some stuff from Digi-Key on Wednesday afternoon, no shipping info emailed to me.  So, now Monday, I called, and they could not even give me any idea when it will ship!  YIKES!  So, that order has now been sitting for nearly 4 whole days.

Interesting, i ordered stuff from digikey a couple of days ago (I'm stockpiling components for this year's prototype production runs) and yesterday they arrived. I was expecting like a week or two delay based on reports from here and from our contractor
 

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« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2021, 07:12:08 am »
I think it more likely you googled the specific diode.
 

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Re: Mouser Decline?
« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2021, 12:53:09 pm »
They're all doing it- sharing your private information to third-parties, affiliates etc. in the name of analytics and targeted advertising.
Read Digi-Key's Privacy Statement and it's:
"... we and our third party service providers or partners may collect certain information automatically from your device."
"... may include information like your IP address, device type, unique device identification numbers, browser-type, operating system, date and time of visit, referring website, the search engine queries used to get to our website, broad geographic location (e.g. country or city-level location), and other technical information..."

"We may disclose your personal information to .... our related companies and third party suppliers, partners and services providers (for example, to support the delivery or drop shipment of products ordered, to provide functionality on, or help to enhance our services or the security of our website, to provide advertising services and web analytics, or for order fulfilment or market research purposes), or to those who otherwise process personal information for purposes that are described in this Privacy Notice or notified to you when we collect your personal information. "

Yea, I will give your personal information to a third party too! how am I supposed to ship the order otherwise? I would expect them to be sudo-anonymising data they pass out of the company unless they are employing another company to contact you on their behalf.
 

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« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2021, 01:02:23 pm »
I think it more likely you googled the specific diode.

This.   Google tracks absolutely everything you do, all it takes is one site to leak your email address and you'll be spammed from then on.

To defend against it takes quite a bit of knowledge, there is no simple remedy.  The solution is at the political level, where the EU is probably the most active body politic defending privacy at the moment.
 

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« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2021, 05:00:45 pm »
So, now, a WHOLE WEEK after I placed a web order with Digi-Key, I called AGAIN, and they said they would try to get the order out today!  GEEZ, this is SURE a BIG change from just a month ago, when I got same day shipment.

I was getting ready to duplicate the order at Mouser, but I guess I'll hold off for a bit.  This is a $570 order.  I don't want to get caught with twice the parts as I need.

Jon
 

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« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2021, 07:08:36 pm »
Um, just in time delivery? works great until there is a change and that system working at 99.5% of required capacity now needs to do 105%, those extra 5%'s add up day by day.
 

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« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2021, 07:10:03 pm »

I think we are entering an era where it begins to make sense to keep some things in stock...
 

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« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2021, 07:32:37 pm »

I think we are entering an era where it begins to make sense to keep some things in stock...
Well, I've been doing this for decades, but what about a new project?  I just designed this board last week, and got the blank boards in from PCBway this morning.  As soon as I placed the PC board order, I placed an order for all the parts.  Pretty sad when PCBway can build the boards custom and get them from China to the US faster than Digi-Key can pull some items off the shelf and ship them a few hundred miles.

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« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2021, 07:46:03 pm »
They're saying semiconductors are the new toilet paper - semiconductor shortages aggravated by people panic buying. So Mouser and Digi-Key might have heavy order volumes.
 

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« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2021, 10:04:53 pm »

I think we are entering an era where it begins to make sense to keep some things in stock...
Well, I've been doing this for decades, but what about a new project?  I just designed this board last week, and got the blank boards in from PCBway this morning.  As soon as I placed the PC board order, I placed an order for all the parts.  Pretty sad when PCBway can build the boards custom and get them from China to the US faster than Digi-Key can pull some items off the shelf and ship them a few hundred miles.

Jon

Yep, same thing happened to me - I'm sitting with a bunch of boards...  parts are beginning to arrive now, from random eBay sellers.  Pretty fast turnaround from them (I picked ones that are not too far away).  Definitely faster than the "pros"!  :D

 

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« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2021, 10:30:51 pm »
Apparently, even Toyota is now maintaining an inventory of parts, and has thus had less trouble with the semiconductor shortage for automobile production.  They were famous for requiring "just in time" delivery from their suppliers to avoid holding an inventory.  See  https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-02-15/toyota-broke-its-just-in-time-rule-just-in-time-for-the-chip-shortage
 

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« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2021, 11:08:41 pm »
I think it more likely you googled the specific diode.

This.   Google tracks absolutely everything you do, all it takes is one site to leak your email address and you'll be spammed from then on.

To defend against it takes quite a bit of knowledge, there is no simple remedy.  The solution is at the political level, where the EU is probably the most active body politic defending privacy at the moment.
One thing to do is turn off images in your email program/web site. This prevents the mailer from confirming you actually read it. I started doing that a number of years ago and the level of spam has decreased dramatically.
 
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« Reply #73 on: March 18, 2021, 12:14:43 am »

Defense against the slime is worth a whole thread on its own...
 
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« Reply #74 on: March 18, 2021, 02:20:15 am »
I'm sure I googled the parts I received the spam about before purchasing them on Mouser, but I have never had 3rd party vendors call me on my phone and message me on Linked In about a product I simply googled. One of the vendors specifically said "I saw you purchased XYZ diode...". Both of these spam calls/messages were related to products I had just purchased on Mouser 1-2 weeks earlier. Definitely a bit suspicious.
 


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