Neoden 3V Advanced Pick and Place

[mendez]

Thanks. Is there any recommended table for the 3V?

[Rpheroux]

I bought a 3v not long ago.  I have been having a heck of a time trying to set it up to produce my first PCB.  It keeps placing the chips in the same location, which happens to be the alignment marks.  Anyone have any ideas?

Bob

[tboicey]

How are you getting your design into the machine? I use Eagle and the script mentioned earlier in this thread.

Do your components have X and Y coordinates that seem reasonable and not all 0,0 or all the same?

[Grad]

If I import top side CSV file the placement is ok, but if import bottom side csv file it places the components as can be seen from the top site. Somehow I have to mirror this file. I use Altium 19 to generate the files and there is no option to make a difference between top and bottom. Anny one an idee how to mirror the file on the Neoden? 

[Smallsmt]

If I import top side CSV file the placement is ok, but if import bottom side csv file it places the components as can be seen from the top site. Somehow I have to mirror this file. I use Altium 19 to generate the files and there is no option to make a difference between top and bottom. Anny one an idee how to mirror the file on the Neoden?

Simple flip PCB in Altium and create the files again use the new top side pnp file.

We are working on a special software to import gerber files and different PNP file formats.
It can mirror the design and create new PNP file for bottom side.
You receive a preview of data so it's easy to proof.
PNP data export in differnt file formats possible too.

[Grad]

Did a flip board with the CTRL+F, generated new files but the pick and place has the same coordinates. Am I doing something wrong?

[jmelson]

If I import top side CSV file the placement is ok, but if import bottom side csv file it places the components as can be seen from the top site. Somehow I have to mirror this file. I use Altium 19 to generate the files and there is no option to make a difference between top and bottom. Anny one an idee how to mirror the file on the Neoden?

I wrote a C program to turn my P&P output file (from Protel 99SE) into the format for the Philips CSM84.  All coordinates are as seen from the front of the board.  So, for the back side I just make all X coords negative, and the CSM has no problem at all using minus numbers in X.  Some other P&P software might have an issue with that.  The reference corner of the board goes against the main stop and front conveyor rail for placing the back side.  For the front side, the X coords are positive, but the reference corner is to the left, so I have to offset the X zero by the width of the board, measured in mm.  I've forgotten the detail now, but I'm guessing there needs to be some adjustment of the rotation value for the back side, seems like -90 degrees rotation would have to be changed to +90 degrees, and so forth.

Jon

[Chad.Wagner]

How much better is the Neoden 4 compared to the Neoden 3V?

I am debating if I can get by with the 3V or if I should move up to the Neoden 4 or S1?

I do have some 0.5mm chips.

[GerardG]

Hello Grad,

What did you do?

Maybe I can help you.

Best regards,
Gerard