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Are any of the SMD tweeters supported on the ADS200 base?
https://www.paceworldwide.com/products/handpieces/tweezers

Hi Dave,

Unfortunately, none of the older tweezer handpieces on that page are supported by the ADS200. However, the new MT-200 MiniTweez is being prepared for Beta Testing (sorry guys only 15 units are available and they've already been filled). They go out next week and, if all goes well, we'll go into production in October.

I will be sending you a sample MT-200 along with the MT-200 SetBack Tool Stand when we are sure the bugs are out of the beta models. I wouldn't enjoy watching a video of you tearing PACE a new a-hole because of some production issue that we didn't pick up!! :-DD

Take a look at the latest beta version in the attached image.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1101 on: September 14, 2019, 08:28:31 am »
Didn't see this earlier, there is a video up as well.

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Video seems to have been marked private.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1102 on: September 14, 2019, 06:17:32 pm »
Expected pricing for MT-200 tweezers?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1103 on: September 14, 2019, 07:17:04 pm »
Hi Dave,
I wouldn't enjoy watching a video of you tearing PACE a new a-hole because of some production issue that we didn't pick up!! :-DD
With as many problems at the 121GW seems to still have after two years, I don't think you have a lot to worry about.   :-DD 

I like the idea of being able to lock the separation of the tips.    It seems like a nice feature.   

Are you going to offer a new handset with these same features for the older stations?
How electrically robust is your meter?? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsK99WXk9VhcghnAauTBsbg
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1104 on: September 18, 2019, 07:26:59 pm »
Will we be able to pre-order the MT-200 tweezers when they go into production?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1105 on: October 02, 2019, 04:34:20 am »
Is it normal for the tips to come pre-tinned? I just bought an ADS200 and the Chisel tip that I bought with it looks like it's been used while the Conical Sharp tip looks completely clean. Just wondering if that's standard (this is my first nice solder station, sorry for the newb question). Gallery below:

https://imgur.com/a/PNkFXtz

I bought it from Tequipment so I assume they know what they're doing although the packaging for the tips were a bit poor (the tips were just thrown into the larger box that the ADS200 box was placed in, causing both tips to bang around and come out of their plastic housings in shipping).
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1106 on: October 02, 2019, 04:51:55 am »
Is it normal for the tips to come pre-tinned? I just bought an ADS200 and the Chisel tip that I bought with it looks like it's been used while the Conical Sharp tip looks completely clean. Just wondering if that's standard (this is my first nice solder station, sorry for the newb question). Gallery below:

https://imgur.com/a/PNkFXtz

I bought it from Tequipment so I assume they know what they're doing although the packaging for the tips were a bit poor (the tips were just thrown into the larger box that the ADS200 box was placed in, causing both tips to bang around and come out of their plastic housings in shipping).

I bought my station with several tips including the same large chisel tip. They appeared to be pre-tinned but very clean looking compared to your photos. I didn't particularly like my experience with Tequipment. Had to call back several times to have the discounts & shipping charges straightened out. They have a defensive attitude. 
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1107 on: October 02, 2019, 07:55:34 am »
Is it normal for the tips to come pre-tinned? I just bought an ADS200 and the Chisel tip that I bought with it looks like it's been used while the Conical Sharp tip looks completely clean. Just wondering if that's standard (this is my first nice solder station, sorry for the newb question). Gallery below:

https://imgur.com/a/PNkFXtz
I think Aaron mentioned that they're testing each tip, so I suspect it's factory fresh. But I'm sure he'll chime in.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1108 on: October 02, 2019, 08:16:59 am »
Pace tin their tips (some are more obvious than others). That tip though appears to have been powered on for a bit (barrel has light patina which gets darker over time). It seems no fresh solder coat has been applied since it was manufactured. So unused but heated.

I would heat the tip to about 300C/600F and wipe it a few times in brass wool and then immediately apply fresh solder over the entire wettable half of the chisel. Then repeat this several times. If it takes solder and cleans up nice and shiny in brass wool then the tips working perfectly and you're good to go.

This is exactly the same process you should follow on a new tip anyway. Then leave some fresh solder on the tip when you aren't using it.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1109 on: October 02, 2019, 11:11:13 am »
Is it normal for the tips to come pre-tinned? I just bought an ADS200 and the Chisel tip that I bought with it looks like it's been used while the Conical Sharp tip looks completely clean. Just wondering if that's standard (this is my first nice solder station, sorry for the newb question). Gallery below:

https://imgur.com/a/PNkFXtz

I bought it from Tequipment so I assume they know what they're doing although the packaging for the tips were a bit poor (the tips were just thrown into the larger box that the ADS200 box was placed in, causing both tips to bang around and come out of their plastic housings in shipping).

Hi Maconi,

Shock is correct. All of PACE Tip-Heater Cartridges are coated with a pure tin coating as standard. Concerning the "used" look of the tip, most tips are quality tested in a fixture that briefly energizes the tip to ensure it is indeed working properly -- this test may discolor the heating element a bit, depending on the amount of time the tip is left in the fixture. The result is varying degrees of coloration depending on whether a particular tip has been tested or not, it's size (we test the larger Ultra-Performance Tips like the one in the image you posted more often) and the duration of it's time being energized during the final test. And I agree, they don't always look pristine ... we'll try to work on that. But the tip performance itself is not in any way degraded.

Concerning the packaging, this is a common complaint about the packaging methods used by Tequipment, one of our authorized distributors. And it will be a point of discussion today when I meet with the Corporate Sales Manager, who is the prime interface with Tequipment.

Thanks for the comments,

Aaron
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1110 on: October 02, 2019, 05:48:06 pm »
Is it normal for the tips to come pre-tinned? I just bought an ADS200 and the Chisel tip that I bought with it looks like it's been used while the Conical Sharp tip looks completely clean. Just wondering if that's standard (this is my first nice solder station, sorry for the newb question). Gallery below:

https://imgur.com/a/PNkFXtz

I bought it from Tequipment so I assume they know what they're doing although the packaging for the tips were a bit poor (the tips were just thrown into the larger box that the ADS200 box was placed in, causing both tips to bang around and come out of their plastic housings in shipping).

Hi Maconi,

Shock is correct. All of PACE Tip-Heater Cartridges are coated with a pure tin coating as standard. Concerning the "used" look of the tip, most tips are quality tested in a fixture that briefly energizes the tip to ensure it is indeed working properly -- this test may discolor the heating element a bit, depending on the amount of time the tip is left in the fixture. The result is varying degrees of coloration depending on whether a particular tip has been tested or not, it's size (we test the larger Ultra-Performance Tips like the one in the image you posted more often) and the duration of it's time being energized during the final test. And I agree, they don't always look pristine ... we'll try to work on that. But the tip performance itself is not in any way degraded.

Concerning the packaging, this is a common complaint about the packaging methods used by Tequipment, one of our authorized distributors. And it will be a point of discussion today when I meet with the Corporate Sales Manager, who is the prime interface with Tequipment.

Thanks for the comments,

Aaron

I noticed the same thing on a couple of large chisel tips I just received.  I figured it was due to testing as well as that is what I heard.

Ok, Aaron, I just received my second ADS200 and am waiting for those tweezers.  Just giving you a hard time.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1111 on: October 02, 2019, 05:58:58 pm »
I had waited for all the bugs to be ironed out of the ADS200 before I bought one. I originally spoke to Patrick at Tequipment, who I think was their Pace guy. Very knowledgeable. Was a pleasure to talk with. They said he was not available with when I called with a couple of questions before ordering. Not sure if he changed positions or left the company.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1112 on: October 02, 2019, 07:48:25 pm »
I had waited for all the bugs to be ironed out of the ADS200 before I bought one. I originally spoke to Patrick at Tequipment, who I think was their Pace guy. Very knowledgeable. Was a pleasure to talk with. They said he was not available with when I called with a couple of questions before I ordering. Not sure if he changed positions or left the company.

Patrick Mullaney is one of the Managers at Tequipment and I think he manages the PACE product line, among others. I'm pretty sure he's still there. I'm surprised you were able to talk to him since Tequipment usually assigns one of their Inside Sales reps to speak to customers. They have a team of people to just answer questions and help with orders. But Patrick would definitely know more about the PACE line than the Inside Sales team.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1113 on: October 03, 2019, 04:14:12 am »
Is it normal for the tips to come pre-tinned? I just bought an ADS200 and the Chisel tip that I bought with it looks like it's been used while the Conical Sharp tip looks completely clean. Just wondering if that's standard (this is my first nice solder station, sorry for the newb question). Gallery below:

https://imgur.com/a/PNkFXtz

I bought it from Tequipment so I assume they know what they're doing although the packaging for the tips were a bit poor (the tips were just thrown into the larger box that the ADS200 box was placed in, causing both tips to bang around and come out of their plastic housings in shipping).

Thanks for the replies all. I wasn't too worried about it but figured posting wouldn't hurt. It's a huge upgrade over what I've used my whole life (cheap, direct-to-wall irons) so I'm looking forward to playing with it soon.  ;D
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1114 on: October 30, 2019, 06:24:39 pm »

Wow, this forum is a heck of a resource.  I was at the local electronics store getting some components, and thought I would look at soldering stations.  They had the Weber WE1010, but I wasn't sure it would meet my needs, so the research started.

All roads led to this forum and its videos. 

I had it down to basically the Hakko FX-951, but this thread and others convinced me to get the Pace ADS200.  It's actually cheaper here (Canada, from Accessotronik), is actually on sale with an offer to include two tips, the tips are cheaper, and I personally like an aluminium body.  Those were my two front-runners for advanced hobbyist stations.

After many years of soldering (first diploma (CEGEP, for those who know what that is) in the 90s was as an electronics technician, then I worked as a professional mechanic, and am now a software developer. I am also a musician, so lots of cables, pedals, etc), I'm finally going to enjoy something better than just a regular always-on pen (I have several, in many different wattages, including a butane one, which was great on vehicles, just to not have to move a cord).   

Hopefully it gets here soon, I just ordered this morning.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1115 on: October 30, 2019, 10:11:51 pm »
Welcome and Congrats on the new soldering station! I hope I'll have mine forever. Well worth the investment. Definitely better than investing in a cell phone. I'll be using mine to work on PA equipment, old guitar amps and jukeboxes etc.

I've had a Portasol butane iron for over 25 years. I don't use it much anymore but it came in handy when I was doing car audio. It still has the original tip. Always reminded me of trying to light one of those pocket warmers in Boy Scouts. Maybe that's why you were thinking of Weber?  ;D
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1116 on: October 30, 2019, 11:17:48 pm »
Doh...I also do a lot of barbecuing, and my main snooker is a Weber kettle converted to a Smokey Mountain-like bullet smoker.

Obviously, that's was a Weller WE1010 I was talking about.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1117 on: October 31, 2019, 05:41:54 am »
Wow, this forum is a heck of a resource.  I was at the local electronics store getting some components, and thought I would look at soldering stations.  They had the Weber WE1010, but I wasn't sure it would meet my needs, so the research started.
All roads led to this forum and its videos. 

Welcome, and enjoy your new station.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1118 on: November 03, 2019, 03:05:04 am »
A few basic questions, I'm a (new) confused Pace customer and looking for guidance.

I recently acquired a bare Pace MBT301 station and I need help in the direction to go in...

I'm planning to buy various compatible desoldering hand pieces that make use of the MBT301 vacuum port such as the SX-100 Sodr-X-Tractor and etc...

For plain soldering I'm eyeing the compatible TD-100A hand piece and I'm unsure of just how it technically differs from the TD-200? Besides the no calibration needed, what about the thermal recovery and etc...? I've never used the ADS200 + TD200 combo so I have no idea just how it stacks up against a MBT301 + TD-100A

My main fiasco is, maybe it's Dave's awesome ADS200 video and all the marketing behind AccuDrive, but the fork in the road I'm currently at is whether I should invest into the TD-100A hand piece with various needed tips for my MBT301 or is the TD-200 hand piece that much better? I simply don't want to invest in the TD-100A hand piece ecosystem if the ADS200 station along with its TD-200 hand piece is just that much superior? Especially since I just read Pace will soon be selling compatible Microtweezers for the ADS200. I just don't want to start heavily investing into the IntelliHeat ecosystem for hand pieces for my MBT301 if the AccuDrive ecosystem is the future, I want to make the proper decision and not have buyer's regret... Should I spring for the ADS200 + TD-200 and invest into the AccuDrive ecosystem while I solely use my MBT301 station for compatible IntelliHeat hand pieces which make use of a vacuum port? Or will having an additional ADS200 station be almost unneeded redundancy since the TD-100A vs the TD-200 hand piece is identical besides the no calibration needed and I'm better off spending the ADS200 money on IntelliHeat tips and irons for my MBT301?

Sorry for the unorganized thoughts, just trying to best explain my questions.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1119 on: November 03, 2019, 02:29:19 pm »
The newer MBT301 is an Intelliheat series station which runs the TD100A and all the other existing Intelliheat and Sensatemp handpieces.

The ADS200 is the new Accudrive series single channel station runs the TD200 and upcoming MT200 tweezers. Handpieces are not interchangeable between series. So far only the one station and two tools have been released.

If it was me I would buy the SX100 and TJ70 for your MBT301, and the Pace ADS200 with TD200 and then the MT200 tweezers when out. The cost of the ADS200 station is only about $100 if you factor that into the equation.

The TJ70 I would best describe as precision hot air. It's more convenient than a hot air rework station as it's button or pedal actuated. But not a replacement when it comes to BGA reflow.

So my order or preference for rework would be for the TD200, SX100/MT200, TJ70 handpieces. If you want to stick with a TD100A that is fine too as it's still a very good handpiece, but the TD200 on the Accudrive station has superior power, accuracy and utilizes the Accudrive calibration free technology.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1120 on: November 03, 2019, 02:57:57 pm »
The TD100A and TD200 handpieces appear to be identical except for the color. Do they have differences?  Connectors etc.?
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1121 on: November 03, 2019, 03:28:00 pm »
The TD100A and TD200 handpieces appear to be identical except for the color. Do they have differences?  Connectors etc.?

Yeah the cable connectors to the station are different for a start. The TD100A takes the older series cartridges 1124, 1126 (and 1128 if you are using a WJS100 station). The TD200 uses the new 1130 and 1131 series. The different series cartridges have black, gold and blue connectors at the back so are easy to tell apart.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1122 on: November 03, 2019, 09:35:14 pm »

So my order or preference for rework would be for the TD200, SX100/MT200, TJ70 handpieces. If you want to stick with a TD100A that is fine too as it's still a very good handpiece, but the TD200 on the Accudrive station has superior power, accuracy and utilizes the Accudrive calibration free technology.

Thanks for the input, I have some decision making to be done.

Do you have experience with the TJ-70 vs TJ-85? What are the varying use cases?

And just some food thought, would you consider selling your MBT301 station to replace it with a PPS400 station for basically the same cost? To be more specific, it seems like if I get the ADS200 + TD200, my MBT301 would be relegated to SenaTemp hand pieces anyway which is what the PPS400 supports as well as some additional support for Piks, ResiTweezers, and MicroChine and etc..

Or is the PPS400 just highly inferior antique compared to the MBT301? I was looking at PPS400 PCB photos and I see it's an older based design with all through hole components but I don't want to judge a book by it's cover. Yet it seems PPS400 supports basically identical hand pieces as the MBT301 with the only difference being the different connector (SensaTemp vs IntelliTemp)? Especially when I noticed the MBT301 accepts SensaTemp hand pieces with a gender bender adapter. If the PPS400 and MBT301 basically use the same hand pieces would the PPS400 not be the better choice?
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1123 on: November 04, 2019, 12:00:47 am »
I was assuming you brought the Intelliheat version of the MBT301? I believe I chose the TJ-70 over the TJ-85 at the time due to tip selection and that it is hand actuated, possibly power as well I cannot remember. I haven't used the TJ-85.

Can't help with the differences in the Sensatemp vs Intelliheat versions. I typically look at spare parts in that situation though as it reveals different heaters etc. But that would be a good question for Pace.

Yeah the PPS400 might be a better option for you then especially if you want to collect all the tools. I wouldn't let the retro look put you off it's part of the charm, I'd probably own one myself if I was in the US.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1124 on: November 04, 2019, 12:06:47 am »
The TD100A and TD200 handpieces appear to be identical except for the color. Do they have differences?  Connectors etc.?

Yeah the cable connectors to the station are different for a start. The TD100A takes the older series cartridges 1124, 1126 (and 1128 if you are using a WJS100 station). The TD200 uses the new 1130 and 1131 series. The different series cartridges have black, gold and blue connectors at the back so are easy to tell apart.

As always, a great explanation by Shock. Just to add a bit of info, the IntelliHeat-compatible tip cartridges that begin with part numbers "1124" & "1126" run on 16 VAC, while the newer AccuDrive tips that start with "1130" & "1131" run on 21 VAC. That is the main reason IntelliHeat tips are not compatible with AccuDrive tips. While AccuDrive tips look almost identical to the IntelliHeat tips, internally they also use completely different sensor technology, heater wire and assembly procedures, all of which contribute to the lack in compatibility. Believe me, I would have loved it if our engineers came up with a method of making all things compatible. Right now, it's completely confusing to our customers. But in the interest of improving products (e.g. increasing temperature accuracy), we made the decision to modernize.
 
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